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On June 18 2016 01:20 kitaman27 wrote: On June 17 2016 03:08 Rels wrote: Might the best party win! Watch out! A four page English discussion might break out about this one...  Hmm. Okay. Hey, can Mafia win instantly by getting mayor abd pardoner? It will be hell. | ||
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Nevermind, I came up with an imba strategy but it actually sucks. I like the possibilities  a lot of SICK PLAYZ can be made | ||
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On June 18 2016 11:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: is it full? If not, /in Nope. We have nine with you. | ||
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On June 19 2016 03:42 Shapelog wrote: Yeah, /out (/cohost for flavor only) I am in 1-Day, and another game that I replaced into a few days ago off site. 3 games would be a bit too much at once for me. 1 day Mafia is just one day. You can handle it | ||
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On June 22 2016 02:06 Rels wrote: ME TOO ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Gea9ctA.png) Wait, if you were Robik, who is Rels? | ||
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On June 22 2016 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stardom? LS | ||
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On June 22 2016 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well played sir. Wait you are saying you are LS? Or Stardom? No, I'm fantasy | ||
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On June 22 2016 23:11 Rels wrote: ONE player and ONE coach are still needed before we can start! Come on Shapelog! You know you want to play!!! | ||
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Makes me mayor | ||
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Awesome joke, 10/10 | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote: I'm not going to run for mayor I would be happy if I was elected. My main goal is to be town read and get people who I have reads on in the important positions. That's why every person who is up for a position should give a read list that's updated so we can see logical reason I,g and why they wish to choose their candidates. Unlike cell where we can really publish the mayor we have limited options here. So we have to take responsibility for it. Now any questions before I go look in the so am to see if anything interested happened Bolded: that's every Mafia member's objective | ||
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5/7, keep going | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:58 Tumblewood wrote: is it though is it yeah I guess it is, townreads = wins for mafia but then it's not a bad play as town either because you get to help town without doing as much work (probably my plan too) Actually, it's better to have the laziest town as mayor than a Mafia as mayor. Not the best plan as town. You should be wanting to be the mayor. In the other hand, it's comfortable for Mafia to not be the mayor and yet be able to control the mayor. It avoids responsibility. Do you understand what I mean? | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. Actually, doesn't it look like they are trying to distance from each other? | ||
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I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel | ||
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You vote for aomeone and he becomes mayor | ||
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On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. Art :/ you'll die in 7 days. Real days. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote: It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. You... You don't want to lynch me??? | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:34 Damdred wrote: Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts. Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome Movie is starting. Can you specify which posts you like from me? | ||
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On June 26 2016 06:30 Jean Valjean wrote: I have only glanced a few pages at random, so do not take this for anything more than it is. Skynx called out Artanis in a way that I liked. Artanis' response wasn't great. Damdred said at least one thing that closely resembles the way a human being talks. GlowingBear's entry post was worse than most other people's. And the conclusion you take from these notes is...? | ||
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On June 26 2016 06:20 Damdred wrote: How drunk was gb last night ROFL not that much. I'm probably making a catch up post in two or three hours In the meantime, I think we should vote quicktwist for mayor as I think he might be the towniest here. We have to organise ourselves to vote the two towniest people since the pardonner is the second one with the most votes. I actually don't have a second name right now but I'll probably find one after I re read everything. Also vote me. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:53 Damdred wrote: The most interesting thing is besides Tt I think I have solid reasons to tr most people. Jean is null though. Its going to be a long and hard game it seems. There is one reason to tr Jean but idk could be a smurf I think he isn't a smurf... I also think he might be town in this game | ||
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U MAFAI? | ||
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On June 26 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Inspector Artanis has proof Slam admits it was his smurf on the first post in the page after. Inspector Artanis! What happens if you're mafia? | ||
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On June 26 2016 10:23 emperorchampion wrote: Not sure why you guys like QT so much for Pres. Despite his seeming towny-ness, he is self admittedly geared towards OMGUS which I think is a bad direction going forwards. He seems like he is very committed to this notion of "styles", and I suspect that he will try continue to act in a similar manner throughout the game. I think that predictability is a good asset for town, but I don't think that his style of play will be well suited for the president role. Because I prefer a bad almost-confirmed town than a good not-so-sure-if-he-is-town to decide a lynch and to have double votes | ||
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On June 26 2016 11:14 emperorchampion wrote: I'm saying that his style of play is not well suited to leadership. Do you have a better option? | ||
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On June 26 2016 11:48 emperorchampion wrote: At the moment I think that tumble or super are better. Are you comfortable with calling them almost-confirmed town? If so, what makes you think they're town? Also, what kind of approach do you think they have which makes them suitable to be president? | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:03 Tumblewood wrote: why though like, people call koshi bad all the time and it's the same exact thing Because silently wanting to be elected as mayor is something I would expect from mafia. If I am mafia and I'm seeing town organising themselves - specially when a town player is being elected as president -, I would start to discredit people in order to push my agenda. It's not like calling Koshi bad. I can call Koshi bad and not vote with him, but if Koshi was the towniest person in the game I would vote him 100% of the times simply because having a bad town mayor is better than risking having a good mayor that could be mafia | ||
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On June 26 2016 11:58 GlowingBear wrote: Are you comfortable with calling them almost-confirmed town? If so, what makes you think they're town? Also, what kind of approach do you think they have which makes them suitable to be president? Emperor, please refer to this. I'm really interested. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:07 emperorchampion wrote: .No, I don't think I'm comfortable calling them almost-confirmed town at this point. But I put them in a similar boat with QT. I think they have a more stable, considering play style, whereas I find QT more erratic. So, you're saying that QT, Tumble and Superbia are basically at the same level of towniness, is that right? I'd like you to specify to me what exactly made you think they are town. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:18 Tumblewood wrote: hell, it plays right into mafia's hand to put someone up for mayor who's bad at scumhunting. it's just as bad to have mafia lynching townies as town lynching townies, only mafia doesn't come under suspicion when town lynches townies. It definitely isn't. Remember that Mayor decides day1 lynch and have double votes throughout the whole game. Imagine this catastrophe when we reach LYLO, for example. Double votes in mafia's hand may antecipate town loss. Minus 1 day before LYLO. Now imagine if it's a townie in the other hand. It really doesn't matter, guys. We simply have to elect the towniest. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:22 emperorchampion wrote: That's quite the order! I don't think I have time to make it exact so this synopsis will have to suffice: Super: I see a very similar style of game play to what I saw last game when he was town. I think that his posts have been pretty on point. Tumble: I think that he has been open with his thoughts, and I like the direction that he has been giving to the game so far. Many of his thoughts I find are echoing mine. QT: I find that his posts have been very reminiscent of the last game. I think that he has shown consideration of the game so far. I have no problem with your Tumble and QT reads, but I don't understand what you like on Superbia. I went to his filter and I saw a lot of questions with no follow-up to them. Also, I saw him town leaning on Jean Valjean when he had like just 1 post that was null at best. I don't really understand how his posts have been on point. Also, do you have any idea how Superbia's scum meta is? Because although he might be playing a similar game to his last one, it doesn't necessarily mean he is town if his scum meta is pretty much the same as his mafia meta. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:34 GlowingBear wrote: I have no problem with your Tumble and QT reads, but I don't understand what you like on Superbia. I went to his filter and I saw a lot of questions with no follow-up to them. Also, I saw him town leaning on Jean Valjean when he had like just 1 post that was null at best. I don't really understand how his posts have been on point. Also, do you have any idea how Superbia's scum meta is? Because although he might be playing a similar game to his last one, it doesn't necessarily mean he is town if his scum meta is pretty much the same as his mafia meta. Btw can you quote a post where you think he was "on point"? | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:43 emperorchampion wrote: How do you not find fault with my QT read, but then with my Super read? Because I think QT has shown consideration of the game so far but Superbia has never been on point. Superbia is null at best for me. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:44 Tumblewood wrote: gb, if you had straight null on someone, that's 10/13 = about 77% town. choosing between 77% town who is good and 100% town who is not, 77% of the time the first guy is the better play. consider someone who you read town. move it up to 85% or 90% town. nearly every time, putting them in mayor is the correct play. I have a 90% read on super so yeah easy choice. I'd rather have 100% certainty than risking a 77% certainty. Why do you have 90% on Superbia? | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:50 emperorchampion wrote: So I'll pussy(cat) out on the question answering stand-off since I'm heading to bed meow. This is Superbia being on point? The post where he puts a guy as probably town for his opening only? Yeah, I can't trust you. You might be mafia. | ||
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On June 26 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote: a couple posts I liked. first is this one: a) easier for mafia to discuss mechanics than reads b) last part implies he actually cares about putting town on the right track (prefers to flesh out his thoughts vs. spitting them out when he has them) rare that mafia actually takes pride in their reads smart post. isn't that the gold standard for reading superbia? also feeeels 1) a) Discussing that we shouldn't be discussing mechanics and doing nothing else is still a way to discuss mechanics b) Which is the right track? We can flesh out reads while still deciding the mayor. Taking this as a normal game ISN'T the right way because the Mayor role plays a big part on how this game will unfold. This post can come from either alignments. I don't see it as alignment indicative. 2) That can be easily fakeable, but I understand where you're coming from. 3) I don't think that post from Superbia was good. Moosy claims Mafia almost every game. Why would Superbia expect that from Moosy? Is there a reason why town Moosy would NOT claim mafia in this game, or that is just an assumption/a paranoia that Moosy would exploit this as Mafia and NEVER do that as town again? To me, that's just an assumption. There is no reasonable grounds to Superbia's assumption. That's actually a very flimsy way to throw suspicions at someone. | ||
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On June 26 2016 13:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: this is a bad post because it's defending me. gb 98% mafia nice pocket play 10/10 I'm not defending you, I'm arguing that you could be coming from both alignments and that makes Superbia's post not really good. In the other hand, I have a gut feeling that you're town anyway, so whatever. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. Auto-lynching you for this. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote: Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move). Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players. As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people: Artanis Damdred Chez Tumble Superbia Jean QT In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that. That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this: Moosy Jealous Tictock emperorchampion So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list? Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred? What are YOUR reads? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I expect an apology after I flip town. Art you've just said that I am not caring for the game and that I have a bad time to be active as scum. The first part is a lie, I'm very interested I the game and I already have a strong opinion on players, and the second part is true only after day 1s, but is also true for town. You're calling me scum for lies, man. You could've just read me? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:09 Jean Valjean wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807942 No one in the game has better documented their reads than have I. This post by you is very strange GB. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote: Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. Ok but I need townreads We have to decide the mayor and the pardonner | ||
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Mayor needs to be me. Why not me? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:31 Superbia wrote: hbu? I had QT as top town for the way he was engaging the thread. But he isn't here anymore. Kinda dropped a little but still my top town. I have Tumble as probably town for his interest in the game and the way he was putting thoughts on what I've wrote. Downside is that I don't remember him giving any reads. I had you as null to scummy but I like the way you came back to the thread. You're leaning town. Damdred is leaning scum. I think most of his posts are disinterested, and that makes me suspicious of him. He is not naturally reacting to what has been posted but he is here. He just, from times to times, post reads and chill. The problem is that his town passes looks like the town passes he would give as town. Moosy I have a gut feeling he is town. Mostly because he was naturally reacting to what I have been posting in here. I don't know about jealous I don't know about TT (I have a gut feeling he might be town) Jean Valjean has very good posts and the only thing that gives me pause is his stiffness. Other than that, a townread. Artanis usually follows the thread and inquire people more as town than when he is Mafia. I've seen him too defensive in this game. Actually, his approach to the thread seems quite similar to the last game where we played together where he was Mafia. EC is my lynch of choice today. He needlessly discredited QT for mayor while still townreading him. Had very faint reads on his three townreads (the one on you was the worst). When I inquired him to explain he basically dodged, and when I asked a quotation on where you have being on point, he quoted your list post where you actually were very obscure on why Jean Valjean, with one post at the moment, was almost top town. It felt like he was simply making that up, not really believing in what he said. | ||
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I want everyone to tell me why wouldn't you vote me for mayor. | ||
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I don't think you can cast a better vote than on me | ||
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On June 27 2016 01:07 Damdred wrote: Gb that doesn't matter while,I respect you and like you. I just don't think you have it, you make some won my decisions off the cuff sometimes. So who should be elected damdy? | ||
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And most of my latest games I've been very straightforward and listening to others. So I'm not sure where you are coming from. Also, did you just not care for the fact that I am named VT? | ||
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On June 27 2016 01:18 Superbia wrote: Interesting. What's your name GB? I'd be okay with making your either pres or pardoner if it's true tbh. I may be a bit too selfish with this president thing either way. It didn't come with a name. Just named VT. | ||
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On June 27 2016 01:27 Superbia wrote: I'll vote for you if you promise to listen to my reads and give them a certain priority. :p I promise I will not prioritise my reads over your reads. But are you ok with lynching EC? | ||
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On June 27 2016 01:33 Damdred wrote: Gb your much to flighty and make off the cuff decisions in every game we are ever in. Except when your scum. Well even then simetimes. You being named vt really matters nothing to me tbh. I promise I won't lynch you with my mayor powers | ||
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Make me mayor. I'll take that route | ||
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I AM NAMED VT Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner | ||
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On June 27 2016 02:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: i think i successfully have superbia, artanis, and jean against me which just leaves convincing gb to hammer myself. so gb lad. still think you have that townie vibe from me? Yes Moosy, unfortunately. As I said, you were reacting naturally to the information that was posted in the thread. Sadly, you think that claiming scum is cool and helps you to catch scum. It isn't. | ||
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On June 27 2016 03:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: who would you lynch as mayor again gb? EC, but I'll vote another player if townies are against it | ||
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I'd prefer Tumblewood solely because of paranoia. But I'm fine with it if I put my paranoia away | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Back and sorta caught up. Will get head out of ass now that people have stopped tunneling me. GB what's your read on TT? I didn't really care much for him. I ignored most of his posts. But considering how solid his scum play tends to be, I have a gut feeling that he might be town. But objectively null. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. Because your reads are off this game I would kill myself if you pardonned EC | ||
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On June 25 2016 23:57 Tictock wrote: I'm thinking we should try our best to make today's vote a 7v6. If we let things get too split or try to do last min shenanigans it will give scum potential to move votes into a position that gives them a mayoral role. This actually becomes pretty simple today if people can agree I'm clearly the best pardoner. Then we can focus on who should be mayor and who should be the D1 lynch (so basically everyone focus on a townread and scumread and see which we best agree on). I might be overthinking this, but today's vote is actually fairly important and can prob secure a town victory if we play it right. Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy... | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:50 Damdred wrote: This post is so easy for either alignment to make though. Like really nai Although it's easy, it's not Mafia's best interest to convince town to do this. In other words, it doesn't follow a scum agenda. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That sounds like you don't scumread me anymore. Didn't you still have me leaning scummy earlier? Your emotional reactions are giving me pause to the scum lean. | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: You know a gb+tt+moosey isn't the most out there team You're being dumb | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:53 Damdred wrote: Lol obviously you disagree with you being there gb. But what about tt Oh I thought you were serious As I said, I don't think he look scummy. Why do you think so exactly? | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote: What's wrong with Jean here gb? I'm the un'ccd Named VT. He is just french. | ||
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On June 27 2016 07:07 Damdred wrote: This doesn't matter in an open setup gb and you know it How come this doesn't matter? This simply confirms me as town | ||
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On June 27 2016 07:29 Jean Valjean wrote: I changed my mind. I'm lynching GlowingBear tomorrow instead of Superbia. No you're not | ||
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This is a hard game. I know associative reads are bad but when I conaider teams in this game they are completely different | ||
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On June 27 2016 21:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you just call me town so I can get NKed? Town | ||
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QT, why did you prefer to vote Jean instead of me? | ||
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On June 28 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote: NS GlowingBuddy I almost shot Damdred ROFL People thought I gave the bodyguard to QT Which means the bodyguard probably isn't Mafia after all | ||
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On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote: So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? Yes. I lied when I said I was Named VT. I did that because I know that Named VT usually claim at the beginning of the game. If I managed to get mayor by claiming Named VT, Mafia wouldn't bother roleblocking me, so I could shoot anyone and confirm myself in the next day. You can confirm I am definitely the vigi because I posted at deadline "HEY EC, PEW PEW!" which means I was shooting him, and he appeared dead in the day after | ||
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On June 28 2016 13:49 Damdred wrote: Why Lynch me GB? To prove you never can read me my friend? Besides that my theory isn't that bad a mass claim is a good idea besides bodyguard that is It can be. But you hard aligned yourself with EC too much to be ignored plus your reaction to my fakeclaim wasn't the best | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:08 Skynx wrote: TT>Super if flips town>Damdred? Or you can just pewpew Damdred anyway if you feel like it. I can't pew pew Damdred, I only had 1 shot I'll make a case on Damdred tomorrow though, and I think it's iron clad. I'm not gonna do it today because I'm SO FUCKING TIRED | ||
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Damdred before anyone. Scum clearly wanted to have EC alive. To the point Moosy claimed scum and kept asking votes only to be lynched before EC. Then Damdred hammered the Votecount on JVJ to guarantee that. It's just hard evidence. And it's really simple | ||
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On June 29 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote: at the end of my 6-page catching up spree I get a nice little summary. I don't think anyone outside of jealous / tt / damdred (/ art? probably not) is ever scum so I think the logical plan is to lynch them in about that order. in every respect damdred feels pretty alright but not exceptional this game. I generally skim what jealous says because he writes paragraphs about sentences, so tbh no strong opinion on him. tt is looking better after not conceding... I don't think that very many people have the will to try and force 4 mislynches in a row with no partners while being scumread with blue evidence, but as a matter of principle I don't ever want to judge anyone on whether or not they concede. tt feels much better than he did d1 though, so I'd prefer to lynch jealous today. good order is jealous -> tt -> damdred -> art though hopefully we don't get so far down the list. We start with Damdred | ||
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On June 29 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote: sure I'll do damdred first if you want. not like he's far-and-away townier than jealous and tt. Superbia made a move that made TT look very townie. And thank you. After Damdred's day1 and after EC's flip, there's nothing that will convince me Damdred is town. | ||
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On June 29 2016 01:51 Damdred wrote: I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1. Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred. In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light. I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed. Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses. In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch. I'll put up a case on you. After I do that you can defend yourself and just try to convince me. That's all you can do It can happen, tho. I'm not that prick I used to be anymore. I think. | ||
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On June 29 2016 02:10 Skynx wrote: Lol thank you. I was debating pulling a case together or watching got Leave it to me  | ||
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It is much more because of his siding with EC and his reaction to my named VT claim | ||
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If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard. Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way. | ||
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On June 29 2016 23:05 Jean Valjean wrote: You are voting me. What in my gameplay seems indicative of your "super bus" scenario. Didn't I waffle on Moosy's real alignment right until the lynch? Do I actually sound like mafia? Have my contributions this game been pushing mafia agenda? Generally, while I understand fear lynching, you need to have at least one thing that makes the person you want to lynch mafia. I do not want to get lynched, as I pointed out myself, the no1 priority of a townie is not to get lynched. The problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right frequency to communicate with a few of you (for example Artanis, and it seems you/damdred). I'm trying to be open and transparent, but none of you actually want to explain why you think I'm mafia, and to someone who likes structured and logical play as much as I do, it's very hard for me (and a weakness of mine) to communicate with people who just want to lynch because... random butterflies? Actually, Jean, your attitude against Moosy reeked of TMI. There was a post where you just said "ok, too trolly to be town" and locked on lynching him. Anyway, NK points you as town | ||
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On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions: GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why? If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch? Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch? Whenever my bodyguard is at risk | ||
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That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. | ||
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There is literally NOTHING to use against Jean Valjean other than TMI (weak argument) and stiff ganeplay (debatable, since I think he had very emotional posts that made him look townie. It's basically myself in that game Blazinghand was Mafia and people kept pushing me) | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:43 Tictock wrote: Is Jean just never scum for you? This is actually kinda important kus you are likely making it very far in this game. Jean Valjean CAN be scum. But is he scummier than Damdred or more useless than chez? No. So we lynch the scummiest/the person which we have less information. | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded. He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day. I don't really think he was emotional in this game and I'm not sure he wouldn't concede. This argument is WIFOM, btw. That may be exactly what he wants you to think. | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:56 Tictock wrote: So GB... You think Moosy is defending his scum buddy Emp from his scum buddy Damdred here? That's wifom? Why couldn't he interact with Damdred? | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Protip: If your only explanation for every point brought up is wifom, you may be tunneled. Art A Mafia defends a Mafia from a Mafia. Is that possible or not? If the answer is "yes, it is possible", then considering Damdred is town because he soft defended EC is WIFOM. | ||
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The answer must come from you o.o | ||
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Jean Why did you drop your scumread on Superbia again? | ||
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Rofl ok. You know what. I'll trust your read on Damdred in this game. But if he turns out to be Mafia and I lose the game after such great play I had just like I lost Himalaya's, I'll burn the entire Netherlands down with dead baby whales body oil I'll have after punching all baby orcas to death | ||
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On July 01 2016 05:35 Jean Valjean wrote: Skynx' effort is very useful. To me the current situation is something like Artanis, Damdred, Jean, GlowingBear, Skynx, Jealous town Superbia probably town, but less sure Tumblewood probably town, but less sure Tictock most likely scum. Why is Damdred town now? | ||
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On July 01 2016 07:39 Tictock wrote: I'll give you one now and one later... You never would have killed Art as scum. Kus things are prob just not that awesome, sigh. He could | ||
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On July 01 2016 08:24 Tictock wrote: I mean, ok sure maybe he thought he was a blue or the BG or summin or maybe it was a totally WIFOM kill... but I kinda doubt it. The important thing for today is that Tumble and Damdred fight to the death. I'm finally on vacations and not hangover, so I might put effort in this game in a moment. I'll solve this shit | ||
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On July 01 2016 09:05 Damdred wrote: But I will say I would shoot people that tr me if they can catch me ie rs, hf, Jat, palmar. In this situation I wouldn't shoot art I think. But it's so wifom,because he was the hardest read town person in the game everyone else people hesitate on. Damdy, I'm not going to lynch you for now. I decided to trust Artanis read on you. It doesn't mean I won't point out things that aren't good reasons to read you as town. Don't get me wrong, I may disregard what Artanis wrote on you, but I'll drop the scum read for today. | ||
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On July 01 2016 12:27 Tictock wrote: D1 VC also makes a lot of sense with Tumble being mafia. I think I mentioned before that Emp's vote was weird when I was thinking Jean was making the epic bus. It makes sense with Tumble being scum. And ofc scum tend to spread votes, but that's w/e. I find hard to believe Tumblewood would vote me when I clearly stated I would lynch his rolecop | ||
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On July 01 2016 12:53 Damdred wrote: Both ec and moose were going down hard. Idk Moosy voted JVJ so he would be lynched instead of EC. If he did something like that we can assume Mafia team considered that EC's role was important. If Mafia team considered that EC's role was important, so we can assume that it is most likely that the last member DIDN'T vote for me day1 | ||
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On July 01 2016 13:04 Tictock wrote: No offense to Moosy... But you are giving his "sacrificial" play too much credit and planning. I do think he claimed scum because that's how he plays, but I also believe that he pushed that claim way harder because he wanted to get lynched before EC. He asked me "GB, will you lynch me?". When I said "no", he proceeded to vote JVJ. I doubt he would move to JVJ if I said I'd lynch Artanis, for example. | ||
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I mean, if JVJ was really scum, Moosy wouldn't consider giving the mayor role to me. | ||
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On July 01 2016 20:30 Superbia wrote: Jean should be looked at tomorrow. I can elaborate on this but I probably won't today.You should probably do it today. I'm flipping my read on him. I don't want to lynch people inside my wagon day1 and I don't want to lynch Damdred today because I respect the read Artanis brought. The pool is very narrowed. | ||
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On July 02 2016 00:23 Superbia wrote: If you believe your bodyguard is town then Jean living to tomorrow is irrelevant. I still don't get it... | ||
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On July 02 2016 03:08 Jealous wrote: Despite my initial misgivings, I have been leaning town on him for a while. I will have to look through his filter to see if that should change. I'd love if you did it. I'm really interested. | ||
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On July 02 2016 03:37 Damdred wrote: Nah super unlikely Basically if you give bodyguard to a town and both mayor and pardoner are town already mafia is forced to shoot into like 7 people n1. Throw in a medic save and mafia is highly behind already. It just isn't balanced IMO, I mean you do have idiot medic moves but n1 qt should of been saved if we have a medic or jk. Also GB I think you should claim who the bg is like 5 seconds before eon if we don't hit mafia today, agree or disagree? I thought about that but I don't think I'll do such thing. There was only 1/11 chance I gave the bodyguard to the wrong person. I think the chance that he's town is big. So I'd rather just let Mafia struggle trying to kill the bodyguard. That's also the reason why I'd lynch JVJ today. Just so we don't bring an unconfirmed town with 2x vote to LYLO. | ||
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On July 02 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote: GB does not need to claim BG per say. The better play is to claim one (or two) people who are definitely not the bodyguard. That way if GB die we have Jean and that person as confirmed town. I wanted to say this later but w/e. This crossed my mind. But if the BG is Mafia then he just need to shoot the fake BG and then incriminate JVJ is he is town. It may just lead to wifom. I've already done my part of fake claims. I'll be extremely from now on. | ||
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On July 02 2016 04:29 Damdred wrote: What worries me is if the bodyguard is scum and shoots GB tonight and we don't know who the confirmed scum is. But yeah there ways to make sure they are town etc I think Then town will just have to figure out who is scummy based on gsmeplay instead of relying on mechanics | ||
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On July 02 2016 05:47 Damdred wrote: We still have a lynch after this one though gb before mylo That's why we can afford lynching him | ||
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On June 27 2016 03:23 Shapelog wrote: Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (4):Superbia, GlowingBear, Tumblewood, Skynx Jean Valjean (3): Artanis[Xp], Jean Valjean, MoosyDoosy, Tumblewood (2): Tictock, emperorchampion, Artanis[Xp] (1): Chezinu, Jealous (1): Jealous Superbia (0): Skynx (0): QuickTwist (0): Not Voting (2): Damdred, QuickTwist As of now, Glowingbear will become Mayor and Jean Valjean will become Pardoner! Day 1 ends Sunday, Jun 26 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate. This votecount is more informational than the final votecount | ||
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Well With Tumblewood and Skynx votes, I would be the mayor. I was going to lynch their rolecop. So it is very unlikely that them both are mafia. It is more likely that they are town. | ||
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On July 02 2016 06:41 Jean Valjean wrote: I think you're vastly overestimating the importance of a rolecop. In a game that top town may not be killed if there is a bodyguard alive AND in a game where there could be more than one blue role out there? I'm pretty sure I'd vote you if I were mafia if the second wagon was claiming they would lynch my rolecop. | ||
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On July 02 2016 06:49 Jean Valjean wrote: Had you clearly announced your intention to kill when the votes came in for you? Yes. Those votes were like 1 and a half hours before EOD (at least it's what the time stamp is saying) and I'm pretty sure I declared I was going to lynch EC before that. Moosy clearly said he would vote you because I was going to lynch someone else. | ||
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On July 02 2016 07:36 GlowingBear wrote: Yes. Those votes were like 1 and a half hours before EOD (at least it's what the time stamp is saying) and I'm pretty sure I declared I was going to lynch EC before that. Moosy clearly said he would vote you because I was going to lynch someone else. And by someone else I meant EC | ||
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On July 02 2016 09:36 Tictock wrote: Well idk if Tumble is really unable to post or not. but I'm like 90% sure he is the last mafia, 8% Damdred playing a great game, 2% Unusual setup. I'm a Parity Cop. Checked Damdred N1, Tumble N2 with a Different result. 2% is a weird Framer/Rolecop/Goon which seems unbalanced (too town favored). or Miller situation. It's probably just as easy as Tumble. No you're not | ||
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You thought Superbia could be town when he claimed (and we already had 1 blue hard claiming), it was weird. And you didn't claim right after night 2 when your check simply solves the game. Why delaying your claim? | ||
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5v1 3v1 If you're mafia, you lose because you're lynched in LYLO. If you're town fake claiming you are throwing the game Which means your claim must be true. I was just double checking your claim but I'm so excited to pardon TW and lynch Damdy | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:09 Tumblewood wrote: what check do I need to catch up a second time TT checked you and Damdred. He is a parity cop. Check came different alignments | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:14 Tumblewood wrote: actually im rly dumb of course it's role related because parity cop It's actually alignment related. If you're town, Damdred is Mafia If you're mafia, Damdred is town. It's just a matter of wasting time or not. That why I said "if you're mafia, concede now" | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:25 Tictock wrote: Oh GB.. I think I get it now ? | ||
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Bittersweet victory | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:31 Tictock wrote: Lol that's what I was on about ^.^ Don't blame ya, I thought he was Town D1. Though I def woulda given Skynx BG. I was silently suspicious of skynx tbf | ||
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And Mafia was way too laid back | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:34 Tumblewood wrote: ever since ec died I had to gather up willpower just to enter the thread because there's so much pressure and it takes an annoying amount of effort I can only imagine. I would've concededd. Too much work. I think you took a very high risk by not shooting me at night | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:36 Tumblewood wrote: I was roleblocker if anyone's curious tt you were actual cop right? I didn't get played by a fakeclaim did I Pretty sure he was a parity cop. | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:37 Tumblewood wrote: probably the only way to win the game was to vote myself for pardoner over gb. would have escaped the cop check and had little risk of my arms being tied with "if tumble's bg why hasn't scum killed him?" If I was you I woyldve had shot me night 2 | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote: yeah I was considering that for a long long time but was afraid that I was a too obvious bodyguard candidate. you'll see when the scum qt is posted. That was surely a risk I think you decided your nightkills pretty well tbf | ||
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On July 02 2016 12:53 Damdred wrote: Your d1 was excellent ec and your interactions were a little strange though tbh in retrospect. All in all it was a great showing d1 but got unlucky a slight bit. Yeah EC, you were so unlucky to put your head in front of my crosshair. If only luck didn't play a part of the shot :/ | ||
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On July 02 2016 13:07 Damdred wrote: Game would of been different if GB shot me I fear. I think I've only decided to switch targets two hours before deadline. I've sent your name the moment I chose Tumble as the bodyguard lol | ||
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On July 03 2016 02:51 Shapelog wrote: Who is Jean btw? It's Robik | ||
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On July 03 2016 03:41 scott31337 wrote: GG! Scott ❤️ | ||
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