On June 29 2016 04:16 Jealous wrote:On June 29 2016 03:35 Jealous wrote:Now I will construct my argument for a Damdred scumlean:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?user=DamdredIf you look at the first page of his filter, he is all over the place. He gives out reads like candy with little to no substance, asks questions to multiple people about multiple other people which can all be boiled down to a simple "Why?" This seems like a classic case of misdirection and activity for the sake of activity. While the questions are pushing the game forward slightly (albeit blindly), he seems to mostly be building up his post count.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Let me be honest with you qt.
Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.
Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn
On June 25 2016 08:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm just saying don't make any judgements about moose till d2 as he will mostly be trollin. But unimportant.
Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early
Here he gives the advice to outright ignore Moosy, as opposed to my stance which was "Moosy is not helping town." Yet, he seems it fitting to judge me for my stance? Hypocrisy at its finest. He pretty much gives him a free pass into D2.
In the second quote you can also see how he makes a soft push with gut but then takes a step back within two lines; this is quintessential fluff posting, that if skimmed over may seem like he is trying to work out the game but it really contributes nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Idk why I'm taking this game serious: (. I think because I live the host and cohosts
How exactly is he taking this game seriously up until this point? This seems like one of those things where if read in a vacuum, it serves to establish himself was useful when he's been anything but.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:54 Damdred wrote:
Never lynching me Gliwingbear ever.
Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep.
As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well.
All-around terrible post that is also revealing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote:
I think art v qt is t v t.
Its good though keep it up.
"It's good though, let's let two people who I townread continue fighting in order to waste more time in D1."
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Like right now I have a small town circle of
Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred
D1 pass moosey
So already we have a nice schmuck taken out.
This is the third time he has mentioned a D1 pass for Moosy in under 20 posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:19 Damdred wrote:
Man chez is so town I feel he's going at the top of my town circle. Seriously.
The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here?
Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh.
I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread
Another freepass to Chez a la Artanis. "House of Brown" - doesn't take much intelligence to realize that this means playing a vague Red/Green alignment? What benefit does this have to town? Why does Damdred suck up to this mentality and want to become a participant in this detrimental and vague practice?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet.
Mostly policy reads so this is excusable, but giving a pass to EC? That's 2/2 scum D1 passes granted. How do you get off on questioning MY reads of EC/Moosy on D1 when this is your stance?
More to come.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly?
This post is terrible, largely because his scum reads ARE shitty (TT, SK, JVJ, Jealous) because they were all policy lynches. Those are base level scum reads. You make those based on a lack of content as opposed to anything actually said.
His townreads ARE super lazy and his stance is NOT
vindicated by the fact that they are the popular reads at this juncture; popularity does not imply that his reads had any substance to begin with. He gave out townreads with zero evidence, which is super lazy. Also, super easy if you actually do know who town is, being scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote:
Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation.
Instead of proffering any explanation on his own reads, he pushes TT to explain HIS.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote:
But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food
Already flip-flopping only 26 minutes after the prior post; maybe he decided that TT was not an easy target anymore? Or maybe he wanted to appease TT so that TT wouldn't counter-pressure him into actually substantiating any of his claims?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote:
Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble.
And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick.
Flips on TT yet again. Also tries to divert attention from Moosy yet again.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 12:46 Damdred wrote:
Seriously why don't we make me mayor?
I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway.
It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes
The summary of all of his (multiple) posts trying to get into a position of power. No substance at all besides "I'm a good player, guys!"
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote:
Nobody else over moosey super?
How can one defend Moosy so much and get away with it?
He goes on to make some long posts @Superbia where he actually does provide some content and explanations, but still pushes for a policy lynch on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:05 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily
Nope
Lol.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote:
Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all?
I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum
More like he stated multiple times why he wants to lynch me for inactivity and flip-flopped on TT multiple times.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote:
I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position.
And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh.
While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now.
I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip.
I have to check the timestamp but I think this is before he votes GB. This is another one of his "I am the best player, so I should be mayor," and another buttbuddy request to Art and Chez, a few of which I have omitted above because that's all they really are.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking.
On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet.
Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass
Horrible lie, good thing he got called for it.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him.
But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today
This is about EC.
"I'm trying to remember what I was seeing," when not too long prior he was supposedly reading filters, which he still could have done in order to better answer this question. Still hadn't given any concrete evidence thus far.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:
I AM NAMED VT
Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE
Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner
Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner.
Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role.
Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.
Although I agreed with this at the time, and still do (about it being a good thought), in the context of Damdred's posts I wouldn't think it surprising that this is an example of collusion in a Mafia QT in order to have EC save some face and Damdred jumped on it instantly.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:05 Damdred wrote:
Ooooo crap jealous is scum.
He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him.
Come brothers it,must be done.
So quick to create a wagon on me and suck up to Chez, in one breath and with no other rationale.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote:
God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it.
The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway.
God that's craxy
On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote:
Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol?
On June 27 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Just feels nm so fabricated idk what else to say about jealous reads.
A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe.
Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me.
On June 27 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Idc about that now, really want other people's opinions about jealous read post. Really everyone weigh in
On June 27 2016 05:44 Damdred wrote:
That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter.
And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion.
Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all
On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote:
Lynch Tt Jean blah
Ironic when 1. he misread my GB read in the first place and 2. he has done far less in order to substantiate his own claims.
Pushes very hard for my or TT lynch. Is this what he meant by vindicated?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on
Some things don't change.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 07:13 Chezinu wrote:On June 27 2016 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.
Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.
Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.
Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.
Why is sk so High again?
I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning.
Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum.
On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:
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Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly.
Start of my filter
To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter?
I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.
No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far?
I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.
I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility.
I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.
Think he is jealous?
Are we friends chez?
He's STILL pushing this alliance, so desperately. I'm not surprised that Art jumped on his bandwagon against me now.
Everything after this is more recent.
So, conclusions:
1. Weak early game that he tries to claim was strong.
2. Baseless pushes for mayor/pardoner.
3. Constantly sucking up to Chez/Artanis in order to get a townie alliance going.
4. A lot of hypocrisy and flip-flopping.
5. A lot of EC/Moosy defense and free-pass giving.
##Vote Damdred This is actually a really good case...
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