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On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:Caught up. marv is very likely scum. His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean: - he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play - he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote. The quote: Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.
funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was. I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really. His scum filter in really small mafia 2##Vote marvellosity
Yeah, it's kinda hard to imagine marv coming home and not even posting a single time. How sad.
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On May 25 2016 20:42 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if superbia is a wounded cute animal that I want to keep around for D2 or a wounded not cute animal I think should be put out of his misery.
Definitely the latter. He has 0 reason to go emo like that.
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On May 25 2016 21:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:Caught up. marv is very likely scum. His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean: - he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play - he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote. The quote: On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.
funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was. I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really. His scum filter in really small mafia 2##Vote marvellosity I been really busy with IRL lately so I'm not caught up. Just reading the most recent page, this seems like a really unreliable case. I dont suspect you for believing it, though. Last game town Marv "forgot" about the game more than once. As someone who plays primarily at work I know that having that taken away would tank my activity levels. If you have to spend time with your needy boyfriend/girlfriend, they usually don't take kindly to you playing mafia. If anything, blatantly breaking that meta you brought up probably makes Marv more likely to be town. If he knows the meta well enough to tell you about it, you can be damn sure he's thinking about it as mafia.
bullshit
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I would also lynch marv over palmar right now for sure.
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On May 26 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote:
I will consolidate on marv but I really, really think hf is scum.
Like marv might be mafia, sure, but he hasn't done anything objectively scummy and I have a strong feeling he would be fine with being lynched day 1 as town right now (I think he wants to lower expectations of him on day 1 to give him space to play more casually). I don't actually KNOW this is a thing, I just kinda maybe think it is.
Ok, maybe you are just mafia. I don't think marv would ever intentionally play worse as town. Especially not like this. He is pretty proud about not being mislynchable and you fucking know it.
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I think I will lynch between marv, super and palmar. Palmar makes the list for that last post only.
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Like, I was starting to think palmar is kinda towny but I don't think he can actually believe this.
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On May 26 2016 00:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:On May 26 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote:
I will consolidate on marv but I really, really think hf is scum.
Like marv might be mafia, sure, but he hasn't done anything objectively scummy and I have a strong feeling he would be fine with being lynched day 1 as town right now (I think he wants to lower expectations of him on day 1 to give him space to play more casually). I don't actually KNOW this is a thing, I just kinda maybe think it is. Ok, maybe you are just mafia. I don't think marv would ever intentionally play worse as town. Especially not like this. He is pretty proud about not being mislynchable and you fucking know it. +1 Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I will lynch between marv, super and palmar. Palmar makes the list for that last post only. I thought you wanted to lynch Palmar with me earlier?
Sure, on policy basically. But since then he nade sone posts that were alright tonally.
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On May 26 2016 00:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, I was starting to think palmar is kinda towny but I don't think he can actually believe this. Did you think this through? I would _never_ lie about this, as either alignment. It's entirely pointless for me to do so.
How?
If marv is town and just screwed by his job and we lynch him you can play the "told you so card" instead of having to answer hiw it is possible for you of all people to mislynch marv.
If marv is mafia there is obvious reason to lynch someone else.
Why would you NEVER lie about that?
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On May 26 2016 00:29 LightningStrike wrote:
JAT can you please lynch Palmar with me? I gave you guys my case on him and I think he should be lynched right now.
Your case doesn't make him mafia though. It just makes him an ass.
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On May 26 2016 00:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Although marv is a coinflip, I have a hunch he's going to flip town.
So basically, if he's town I get to say I told you so. And if he's scum, it doesn't count as me being wrong.
Explain the hunch.
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If it is what you said earlier it is bullshit.
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On May 26 2016 00:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:48 justanothertownie wrote:
If it is what you said earlier it is bullshit. It is. I know it offends your sensibilities of how the game should be played, but I am a realist. Where he said "I shouldn't have joined this game but I wanted to play with HF," that looked really genuine. That makes me disregard any scumread from inactivity. So he's back at an equal to random chance of flipping scum.Calling SL's "I'm scum" comment sincere was slightly townie in how vague Marv was. I think he's the top plynch, though. And I am a firm believer in day 1 plynches, which is why my vote has been on him since early game.
To the bolded: Sure, it can be genuine. That doesn't mean anything for his alignment though. Being this inactive is hard to imagine for a town marv. His justification was a new job. He could have played or at least posted SOMETHING when he was done with work whil as scum the combination of rl + his general detest for the alignment could easily lead to this kind of play.
This has nothing to do with how I think the game should be played. It has everything to do with how I know marv plays this game. That's why as a realist you should realize that this is far more likely to come from mafia marv than from town marv.
The SL thing isn't towny.
So yeah, no reason to read him town at all.
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On May 26 2016 01:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:27 justanothertownie wrote:On May 26 2016 00:21 Palmar wrote:On May 26 2016 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, I was starting to think palmar is kinda towny but I don't think he can actually believe this. Did you think this through? I would _never_ lie about this, as either alignment. It's entirely pointless for me to do so. How? If marv is town and just screwed by his job and we lynch him you can play the "told you so card" instead of having to answer hiw it is possible for you of all people to mislynch marv. If marv is mafia there is obvious reason to lynch someone else. Why would you NEVER lie about that? he would just correct me. It's not "I told you so" if he comes in and says "actually I do want to maintain high level of activity on day 1, I was just busy". Anyway this is a dumb argument. You're just bad.
Only if he is town. Last time you 2 were mafia you continuously told bullshit about him and he obviously never corrected you. That's how I should have caught you.
I also fail to see how what you describe as a scenario where he returns as town means you would NEVER say something like that.
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On May 26 2016 02:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote:
I will consolidate on marv but I really, really think hf is scum.
Like marv might be mafia, sure, but he hasn't done anything objectively scummy and I have a strong feeling he would be fine with being lynched day 1 as town right now (I think he wants to lower expectations of him on day 1 to give him space to play more casually). I don't actually KNOW this is a thing, I just kinda maybe think it is. Reading snippets while I have a moment. I'm not really so much fine with being lynched as I kinda realise it's inevitable. I'm not sure why you think with any reasonable certainty at all that I am mafia this game given being veteran and shot last game saved me from bag loads of suspicion as I was inactive and didn't play for most of d1. Granted I had more posts there but I started a new job this week so there we go. I'd like to call you town but I'm almost loathe to do so as you calling me town last game was a reason you were mafia, but the one thing you quoted on hf was actually quite okay
First of all you did play for a good amount of day1 last game.
Second of all do you seriously think Palmar should think you would be ok with being mislynched?
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Also marv, why is your lynch inevitable if you are town? Surely you won't be working until deadline?
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On May 26 2016 02:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 02:10 Damdred wrote:
So I had things come up and I think I'm like 20 pages behind. Who should I specifically look at atm? Look at Superbia, LS, Ritoky, HF in that order IMO.
Ignore this. Regardless of their alignment it is incredibly unlikely that we will lynch HF or ritoky. LS you could do since you are the LS expert.
Look at super, palmar and marv for the lynch.
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On May 26 2016 02:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Marv since you are here can you please read my case on Palmar being scum please? No it's a poor use of my time because I've read his filter already
Conclusion?
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On May 26 2016 02:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:Caught up. marv is very likely scum. His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean: - he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play - he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote. The quote: On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.
funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was. I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really. His scum filter in really small mafia 2##Vote marvellosity Yeah, it's kinda hard to imagine marv coming home and not even posting a single time. How sad. Simply my bf comes before mafia. Last game I was unemployed with all the time and I still didn't post for the last 24h of day 1 because I forgot and was with my other half. Priorities
Priorities are alright. I won't be here for deadline today either.
But making one post explaining yourself etc. isn't too much effort.
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On May 26 2016 02:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 02:17 justanothertownie wrote:On May 26 2016 02:15 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:Caught up. marv is very likely scum. His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean: - he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play - he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote. The quote: On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.
funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was. I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really. His scum filter in really small mafia 2##Vote marvellosity Yeah, it's kinda hard to imagine marv coming home and not even posting a single time. How sad. Simply my bf comes before mafia. Last game I was unemployed with all the time and I still didn't post for the last 24h of day 1 because I forgot and was with my other half. Priorities Priorities are alright. I won't be here for deadline today either. But making one post explaining yourself etc. isn't too much effort. Didn't last game and I won't this game and probably won't in the future. Deal with it broski
If you forget about the game (last game) that's something different. And you weren't ever in danger of being lynched there. But if you know you won't be around at all and therefore a prime lynch target I don't think that's asking too much.
Anyways,discussing it is a waste of time. If you have very little then use if effectively.
You could for example give read on Palmar and superbia.
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