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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:23 GMT
#512
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Why ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:26 GMT
#514
On May 25 2016 07:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Sigh mods didn't count my vote because it wasn't formatted right.
##Vote: Palmar
Also you should read my filter then Palmar. Like seriously you should see why I am town or scum if you actually read my filter.

I AM A FREE MAN TO DO AS I PLEASE

Palmar fake AFKing and not giving any opinion is scummy. In that game I was scum in recently, Palmar was super super AFK, but made a few posts that were still pretty scary for us as a team. We shot him N1.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:30 GMT
#518
Koshi is probably town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:37 GMT
#525
Caught up. marv is very likely scum.
His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean:
- he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play
- he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely

And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote.

The quote:
On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.


funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was.

I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really.



His scum filter in really small mafia 2

##Vote marvellosity
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:39 GMT
#528
On May 25 2016 20:31 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:23 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:14 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:09 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:19 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who ever saw me play town would genuinely think this.

Like, I am actually known for agreeing with people as town. Palmar literally named me parrotman in metal mini mafia.


Lolll what? Not in the games I was in.

What are these games ?


Werewolf game (p1p1 or something), storm, something else.

You were in the werewolf game?
Irrelevant anyways since I was mafia there.

There is also fantasy football mini 2, imperial, the JAT game and possibly more that I do not remember right now.

Database also reveals Fanfic and russia today. So essentially I (as a townie) was part of a big percentage of superbias games on this site.


Please note the date on all of those games. I recall you from vanilla werewolf and storm the most. Rest idc.

So you recall me from a game you weren't interested in due to being 3p and a game where I was mafia yet you claimed to be sure to have a really good idea how my towngame looks like compared to my mafia game? Despite having apparently forgotten all those other games?

Sense, it does not make.


No. I was not interested in Imperial. Storm I was on mafia day 1, even though I was 3rd p. That game was actually pretty close to my town meta.

Why are your putting words in my mouth?

He's not, you said yourself you had a good idea of how he played:
On May 25 2016 04:25 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:19 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:12 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
[quote]

If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.


Ok, so I see where we disagree here, and I'm talking about a different kind of "agreement", on a more subconscious level. Where your line of thought lines up with the other. That being said:

I know you as a (town-)player that's non-positive (for lack of better word, someone who is not positive) and gives no credit or props or whatever. You don't pander to people as town. This is why I knew you were the last mafia in the last game you played (I skim-obsed it a bit, though I get no credit because I didn't tell anyone lolol). The fact that you call something a "good post" as town already raises my eye-brow. To add to that the fact that you're not even reading the poster town is really fucking weird, and rings my alarm bells.

Can others give some input on this?

I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who ever saw me play town would genuinely think this.

Like, I am actually known for agreeing with people as town. Palmar literally named me parrotman in metal mini mafia.


Lolll what? Not in the games I was in.

Then you either are a forgetful person/didn't pay enough attention or no good posts were made in the games you are talking about.


I think I have a pretty decent grasp on how you play town though, imo. Maybe I'm not wording it correctly, or we see things (i.e. you) differently, but I'm pretty sure I know the difference between your town and mafia play.

That being said, I haven't reached a conclusion yet (ironic). Probably a mix between being tired and people I expected to show up not showing up. Which also probably both lead to having a small town circle.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:44 GMT
#535
On May 25 2016 20:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 20:23 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Why ?

1) he said that marv was probably the best lynch. probably being the key word.

2) effort and then more effort when that is obviously not required. + his posts are pretty good, he is just imho wrong on TW. But his posts are quite obviously written by a townie.

3) not answering this one because you clearly didn't bother to read his filter. fuck off.

I have 0 read on kush so I won't fight this.

I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless.

I just read the whole game, it's true he didn't do much recently but the first impression was super good. I understood every thoughts of him and I agreed with his lynch list at the time it was posted.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:54 GMT
#540
Alright meeting time, see you in like 2 hours!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 12:49 GMT
#555
On May 25 2016 21:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:
Caught up. marv is very likely scum.
His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean:
- he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play
- he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely

And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote.

The quote:
On February 08 2016 20:16 marvellosity wrote:
On February 08 2016 20:14 Rels wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later.
I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum.


funny thing is, this is actually one of the main reasons i got lynched (as mafia) in Artanis' first invite game in December or whenever it was.

I'm almost always somewhat/totally absent over weekends, like Palmar, but on that occasion I just didn't mention it. I always mention it as town. It was pretty silly of me really.



His scum filter in really small mafia 2

##Vote marvellosity


I been really busy with IRL lately so I'm not caught up.
Just reading the most recent page, this seems like a really unreliable case. I dont suspect you for believing it, though.
Last game town Marv "forgot" about the game more than once. As someone who plays primarily at work I know that having that taken away would tank my activity levels. If you have to spend time with your needy boyfriend/girlfriend, they usually don't take kindly to you playing mafia.

If anything, blatantly breaking that meta you brought up probably makes Marv more likely to be town. If he knows the meta well enough to tell you about it, you can be damn sure he's thinking about it as mafia.

This is pretty wrong.
If knowing about his meta made him play differently, marv wouldn't have the reputation of not playing as scum. marv have the reputation to not play as scum because marv has a hard time playing as scum.
Furthermore, it's true that he forgot the deadline in the last game, but (1) he wasn't apolegitic like here, (2) he had an excuse to do it when he has 0 ecxuse to not play last night and (3) he actually played D1 and just forgot the deadline. Here it's the other way around, he didn't play D1 yet when it's 10 hours before deadline and will show up to defend himself around end of day, exactly like in rayn's invite game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 12:55 GMT
#561
Palmar lynch marv with me and I will defend you against your attackers
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 13:54 GMT
#597
On May 25 2016 22:46 Palmar wrote:
like this is a true 100% palmar is actually trying read. You should think about it. I even read his filter and it's kinda bad.

Your case 100% doesn't make him mafia. His filter is fine, what is kinda bad about it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 13:55 GMT
#598
On May 25 2016 22:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@sl, what superbia game are you talking about so I can look it up?

A normal game for JAT
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:10 GMT
#602
On May 25 2016 23:06 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 22:54 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 22:46 Palmar wrote:
like this is a true 100% palmar is actually trying read. You should think about it. I even read his filter and it's kinda bad.

Your case 100% doesn't make him mafia. His filter is fine, what is kinda bad about it ?

his tone and you're bad

Vote for marv and I might listen to you
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:12 GMT
#603
On May 25 2016 23:09 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 22:54 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 22:46 Palmar wrote:
like this is a true 100% palmar is actually trying read. You should think about it. I even read his filter and it's kinda bad.

Your case 100% doesn't make him mafia. His filter is fine, what is kinda bad ab<script id="gpt-impl-0.8154270913774578" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_88.js"></script>out it ?


I'd say what's bad about it is he is jumping on people for stuff that he should know doesn't make them mafia.
It reminds me of the scum tactic of making super aggressive and terrible cases on people, then excusing them as pressure or conversation starters.

I disagree, there is nothing wrong with the LS conversation starter since it was early and he dropped it, and I agree with everything else he's said
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:35 GMT
#609
On May 25 2016 23:17 sicklucker wrote:
Thing is marv is even more scummy then super somehow. so we have these two guys who should flip mafia a decind amount of the time based on history. Yet he wants to go off the board on hf. IT kind of feels like a "hey look at me im town i have the bals to go after a not easy lynch" then an acual good decision

This makes sense. It's definitely weird when Palmar said marv was 100% scum at the start of the game, and nothing marv did could have changed his mind.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:38 GMT
#610
kush I think you're scummy but I don't know why
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:46 GMT
#612
Superbia is likely scum for two reasons.
First, as noted by JAT and SL, his tone is similar to last game where he was scum and taunted a lot. Being aggressive like that is a scumtell for him.
Second, he's not smart. I didn't see a single smart post from him and he has a 5 pages filter. It's quite similar to storm actually, where he was 3P and wasn't smart too. Town!Superbia is super smart.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 14:55 GMT
#613
On May 25 2016 22:06 Tumblewood wrote:
Oh shit I should use my superpowers of TvT argument detection on me vs. ritoky

soooooooo ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 15:43 GMT
#624
Leaving work, see you in a few hours! Everyone should vote marv
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 18:03 GMT
#710
On May 26 2016 02:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote:
I will consolidate on marv but I really, really think hf is scum.

Like marv might be mafia, sure, but he hasn't done anything objectively scummy and I have a strong feeling he would be fine with being lynched day 1 as town right now (I think he wants to lower expectations of him on day 1 to give him space to play more casually). I don't actually KNOW this is a thing, I just kinda maybe think it is.

Reading snippets while I have a moment. I'm not really so much fine with being lynched as I kinda realise it's inevitable.

I'm not sure why you think with any reasonable certainty at all that I am mafia this game given being veteran and shot last game saved me from bag loads of suspicion as I was inactive and didn't play for most of d1. Granted I had more posts there but I started a new job this week so there we go.

I'd like to call you town but I'm almost loathe to do so as you calling me town last game was a reason you were mafia, but the one thing you quoted on hf was actually quite okay

???? That doesn't make any kind of sense. You're always bragging about not being mislynched for ages
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 18:08 GMT
#714
On May 26 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
Superbia is a bit of mixed bag the frustration at Hf seems real for what he considers a horrible case, I pointed some things out earlier that I didn't like but explained decently. Actually playing game though which gives me some town points and a couple other things they said made me go maybe they are town. Really I don't think I want to Lynch super

Ls I'm pretty sure is town tbh. Rough start pushing what he thinks. I mean it would be such a good adjustment in his scum game to do this I kinda can't see it right now.

Palmar idk being a bit trolly to me, kinda see it as more town than anything but its more if a gut feeling than anything.

I don't know Palmar is a coin flip other two I wouldn't touch today at least.

Who would you touch then ?
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