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On May 28 2016 03:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 02:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote:
I will consolidate on marv but I really, really think hf is scum.
Like marv might be mafia, sure, but he hasn't done anything objectively scummy and I have a strong feeling he would be fine with being lynched day 1 as town right now (I think he wants to lower expectations of him on day 1 to give him space to play more casually). I don't actually KNOW this is a thing, I just kinda maybe think it is. Reading snippets while I have a moment. I'm not really so much fine with being lynched as I kinda realise it's inevitable. I'm not sure why you think with any reasonable certainty at all that I am mafia this game given being veteran and shot last game saved me from bag loads of suspicion as I was inactive and didn't play for most of d1. Granted I had more posts there but I started a new job this week so there we go. I'd like to call you town but I'm almost loathe to do so as you calling me town last game was a reason you were mafia, but the one thing you quoted on hf was actually quite okay BOOOOM
He also tried to get me to join. HF wouldn't have been lynched without marv. It's just a fact.
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On May 28 2016 03:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On May 28 2016 02:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On May 28 2016 02:49 Vivax wrote:
I don't believe HF is enough of a dick to not inform his team that his play is gonna be shite and he's going to martyr.
The vote by marv saying yolo is no contribution at all to his lynch, I don't know why you think he has been the main contributor to the HF lynch when Palmar was. HF made a case on superbia with many bulletpoints after he self voted. The self vote was a scumstrat to look town without having to do anything. (dont respond jat) ANYWAY... here's how the HF lynch went down.
Superbia had his vote on him from way early game. Superbia had been afk so that vote was doing nothing.Palmar was under some pressure for not being very active. He votes HF for a bad point HF made. At this point I'm like, "ill vote for anyone on my lynch list, including HF." but my vote was still on ritoky because I thought we was a more viable lynch. No one other than palmar who was in the thread wanted to vote HF. But then marv comes in the thread and he's like, actually palmar is right about HF, and votes HF. Then I'm like, oh there's actually a wagon here? and I vote HF too. Then HF self votes cause he feels the pressure from Marv and doesnt' feel like putting in a lot of effort to look town. anyway yeah. Without marv the lynch probably woudl have never happened. I will leave the obvious bullshit alone, fine. But the bolded is completely and factually wrong. Superbia did not vote HF before he selfvoted. sorry i thought he had. still doesn't change the fact that marv caused the lynch to happen primarily.
Sure, I agree. But since you for whatever strange reason think superbia is not mafia you should know that.
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On May 28 2016 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I stand corrected I guess, but what can you deduce from this? That Palmar and marv get lynch cred for the HF lynch, which doesn't mean that marv didn't bus him.
Yes, correct.
It's all very weird. The way this lynch makes sense for me is if either
1) Palmar and marv are town and HF tried to reduce any possible cred by suiciding before it was too late.
or
2) It was a planned bus due to HF having no time. But it makes no sense for marv alone to do it. He is never the endgame solution for mafia and I don't get why he would sacrifice HF for some questionable towncred. This scenario only really makes sense to me if it's marv AND Palmar. Or something weird is going on.
So, since Palmar is pushing marv and marv is just rolling over (at least it seems this way atm) something is weird this game.
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On May 28 2016 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I am 100 % sure I would bus him with the way he was playing. That makes me like the theory that anyone not voting HF is town even more.
That's a pretty baseless and stupid theory.
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On May 28 2016 03:33 Damdred wrote:
Meh kush your a good player but look elsewhere bro I'm an innocent child at this point.
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On May 28 2016 03:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I stand corrected I guess, but what can you deduce from this? That Palmar and marv get lynch cred for the HF lynch, which doesn't mean that marv didn't bus him. Yes, correct. It's all very weird. The way this lynch makes sense for me is if either 1) Palmar and marv are town and HF tried to reduce any possible cred by suiciding before it was too late. or 2) It was a planned bus due to HF having no time. But it makes no sense for marv alone to do it. He is never the endgame solution for mafia and I don't get why he would sacrifice HF for some questionable towncred. This scenario only really makes sense to me if it's marv AND Palmar. Or something weird is going on. So, since Palmar is pushing marv and marv is just rolling over (at least it seems this way atm) something is weird this game.
The only other player who could have at least thought to get cred would be kush. I guess kush+marv would also be possible and it would nicely explain the koshi nightkill.
Not sure if kush is able to play this well as amfia though.
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On May 28 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2016 08:06 Palmar wrote:
only reason anyone would shoot koshi is marv.
If it's not marv, mafia would shoot me or marv.
this makes marv mafia every time. This is a really good point
No, it's not. Why wouldn't marv shoot palmar? Why wouldn't someone else like kush shoot obvious town koshi?
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On May 28 2016 04:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:On May 28 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:On May 27 2016 08:06 Palmar wrote:
only reason anyone would shoot koshi is marv.
If it's not marv, mafia would shoot me or marv.
this makes marv mafia every time. This is a really good point No, it's not. Why wouldn't marv shoot palmar? Why wouldn't someone else like kush shoot obvious town koshi? It's weird that Palmar and marv weren't killed when they were the two people pushing HF and the most feared players in this game / forum. It heavily implies at least one of them is scum.
No. That alone does not heavily imply anything like that. Koshi is a very good kill regardless and also a medic dodge if palmar and marv are both town.
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On May 28 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On May 27 2016 15:23 marvellosity wrote:
##vote damdred
Or on palmar. Stupidity has killed my motivation so do what you will. I've done a 0% play as scum this game (for me), and the little time I have to play I just want to have fun and I can do better things with my time
Palmar you're not good enough to use nk like I can on you. I don't understand the last sentence I need to understand what he means there.
Why? Does not seem very important to me.
He obviously thinks he can catch palmar based on nightkills. Like last game where he Palmar got stomped for our failed marv nightkill.
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On May 28 2016 04:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:On May 28 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:On May 28 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On May 27 2016 15:23 marvellosity wrote:
##vote damdred
Or on palmar. Stupidity has killed my motivation so do what you will. I've done a 0% play as scum this game (for me), and the little time I have to play I just want to have fun and I can do better things with my time
Palmar you're not good enough to use nk like I can on you. I don't understand the last sentence I need to understand what he means there. Why? Does not seem very important to me. He obviously thinks he can catch palmar based on nightkills. Like last game where he Palmar got stomped for our failed marv nightkill. I have the feeling he's talking to Palmar like Palmar is town while calling him scum just above. But I don't really understand what he means still so it's hard to judge
Ah, now I see what you mean.
Hm, a little weird indeed. But he has voted 2 people over palmar since then too. He does not seem to really believe it is palmar which coupled with his passiveness is a really bad sign.
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On May 28 2016 04:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:On May 28 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:On May 28 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On May 27 2016 15:23 marvellosity wrote:
##vote damdred
Or on palmar. Stupidity has killed my motivation so do what you will. I've done a 0% play as scum this game (for me), and the little time I have to play I just want to have fun and I can do better things with my time
Palmar you're not good enough to use nk like I can on you. I don't understand the last sentence I need to understand what he means there. Why? Does not seem very important to me. He obviously thinks he can catch palmar based on nightkills. Like last game where he Palmar got stomped for our failed marv nightkill. I have the feeling he's talking to Palmar like Palmar is town while calling him scum just above. But I don't really understand what he means still so it's hard to judge
Like I said. Pretty sure he is referring to damdreds game and how he caught Palmar for nking him. Now Palmar acts if he caught marv for the koshi nightkill so that's why this sentence is there.
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On May 28 2016 21:04 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
That list is very wrong.
Red check on Damdred. And framer is dead so I think it's legit.
Nice one. Don't you dare fakeclaim as town.
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On May 28 2016 21:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
guess i shouldn't be so cocky about my reads, right?
Nothing wrong with being cocky. Everything wrong with fakeclaiming as town.
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On May 28 2016 18:20 Palmar wrote:
In other news, Rels sheeping my fake and bad reasoning in the way he did looks really bad.
That is correct.
On May 28 2016 20:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2016 19:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On May 28 2016 18:20 Palmar wrote:
right. If it wasn't obvious I wasn't really serious about killing marv because of the night kill.
However, his response to it has been uncharacteristic. I honestly have no idea what that means. I could see a world where marv is frustrated by being put under pressure for no good reason at all and just goes fuck it. However it would be a complete first for him that I remember as town.
I don't even know if I can draw the line from "uncharacteristic -> scum". But given how he has responded today, which was mostly very hostile, I also can't make the opposite conclusion.
Like if we assume marv is just normal marv, he must be mafia here, because he would never be this hostile, unproductive as town. I am of course speculating here, but my experience leads me to believe he would have ridiculed or ignored me and spent his time doing at least something useful, however little time that is.
In conclusion, I'm debating myself whether I should stay on lynching marv. I have absolutely 0 faith in the argument I voted him for earlier in the day (the NK one). It feels like a dick move to lynch him like this, because I mostly baited him into becoming mad. On the other hand, if I lose to a marv that doesn't play like a town marv I would be pretty furious at myself. Also, I genuinely believe what I said on day 1 about marv being tired of his meta, so technically maybe it's ok to lynch him as town this one time to open up his doors for being less productive than what we're used to.
I _think_ it's mechanically the right play to kill marv today. He hasn't given us any information and mostly just built a fort from where he calls people bad. No matter how you look at it, marv doesn't sound like town marv. But the problem is I'm not entirely sure he sounds like scum marv either.
In other news, Rels sheeping my fake and bad reasoning in the way he did looks really bad. Marv is the primary wagon right now based entirely on palmer s*** n K analysis. That alone tells you that he's not Mafia. Palmar your argument that you want to kill marv because you are afraid to lose to him, I think that is actually the definition of a fear Lynch. I'm sorry jat I didn't realize what a fear Lynch was until I saw palmar do it. So palmar your reasoning is that plus some shit you admit is null. I'm going to give you one more chance to see this. It's Damdred you misunderstand me in almost every possible way. I'll try to explain. 1) MY vote on marv has nothing to do with the NK stuff. I lied that it was a thing, it is not. My vote only remains there due to his reactions to it today. 2) I am not afraid of losing to marv. I've lost to him plenty of times. What I'm "afraid" of, is seeing something that is very, very clearly not townie or expected behavior from marv, and not lynching him for it because of some mechanical play on day 1 by him. The problem is, I am not certain, but I'm never certain. His tone and attitude today sounds way off the mark. I personally would not respond like this to being lynched for no reason as town, and I believe, knowing marv fairly well, that he would not respond like this to being lynched as town. The reason I want to lynch him is pretty clear. His play today does not look, sound or feel like a town marv play. The reason I'm hesitant is that he's right, he was an early supporter of my HF lynch, and also simply because I like marv and don't want to lynch him for no reason. I'm trying to look at things objectively, and objectively what has transpired today should make marv mafia.
That's exactly where I stand as well.
But what the hell is up with that list?
On May 28 2016 20:51 Palmar wrote:
like I'm semi-tone-reading him as mafia, and tone reads are always... sort of meh. But if you held a gun to my head and asked me "who is mafia this game" I would probably give you a name list in descending order:
Most mafia
Marv
Rels
sicklucker
JAT
ritoky
Damdred
Tumblewood
Superbia
Kush
LS
Palmar
Least mafia
So I am absolutely lynching my #1 scumread. The problem is I feel like marv has maybe 55% chance of flipping mafia and Superbia 45%. It's a very close and unclear game to me. I am genuinely hoping we'll get some information through blues at some point during this game.
Why is superbia this far down? Why Vivax? Why am I so far up when I feel like you should really be able to easily see that I am town by now. And don't justify it with the "it's close" thing. There still has to be a reason you ordered it this way.
Wtf man?
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On May 28 2016 21:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I was afraid of that happening lol.
Then why the fuck did you do it? So dumb. I would call you mafia if that wouldn't be even more stupid.
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The problem is - like palmar said - that this does not look like town OR scum marv.
His posts look like he expects and maybe even wants to get lynched which he really shouldn't as town. He seems really frustrated if he is town and it obviously comes from the fact that he killed HF and is still getting scumread. But I don't really get how he can expect not to be scumread if he is being lynched and makes like 2 posts today. I mean I don't know what kind of job he has but it's the weekend.
On the other hand if scum marv is being lynched with a wagon this big already and with a supposed town palmar leading it I don't get why he would even feel the need to make those 2 posts at all when he could just go down silently and leave this game behind.
Like, I am nowhere near certain but if that's how he chooses to play this game then we can't really let him live...
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On May 28 2016 22:46 Damdred wrote:
I don't think I see scum marv really coming back and giving us any information eh.
I think the invite game was a tad different the wagon wasn't insurmountable at that point, here it kind of is.
Also he is right about viavx
Yes, he is. Vivax did basically nothing. He didn't even feel the need to give any reads based on up to date stuff/his big posts are basically worthless.
And yet Palmar thinks he is townier than me.
?????
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Pointing out that vivax is scummy sadly does not make marv town though.
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On May 28 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:
That fakeclaim was so dumb if kush is town
Yes. And also if he is mafia.
So we conclude: Kush did something dumb.
Now we are all suprised.
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