EPTI'd like to /in as a newbie. I do have some mafia experience on the internet but I would not say that I am an experienced player.
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beentheredonethat
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I'd like to /in as a newbie. I do have some mafia experience on the internet but I would not say that I am an experienced player. | ||
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a. The setup calculation looks very difficult. Am I right that always 2 blue town roles will be included vs. 3 scummers among which are two power roles? b. The setup will not be known to the players, correct? (Edit - the game has not started so I assume that it's cool to do it) - the themed roles are a great read  | ||
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Thank you for the answers . | ||
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Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town. However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts: On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote: his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: BOI I GOT THIS lmaoo this is actually pretty tru  that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more. I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm veteran or mafia veteran or mafia or mafia veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum. ##vote MoosyDoosy | ||
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1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT. That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. | ||
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On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote: I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote: My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:21 Jealous wrote: Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. | ||
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It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT. As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to: Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely. I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high. My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. | ||
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I will place my vote on thekushmountains for that purpose. Please note that my real life issues will probably continue for the next 24 hours, so do not expect great activity from my side. Sorry, again. Good night everyone. ##vote nnn_thekushmountians | ||
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Contrary to day one, we actually had two wagons forming, one on emperorchampion and one on kushmountains. For some time, it was a rather close call (4 votes vs. 4 votes), and EC himself plus Jealous where responsible for the final hammer on thekushmountains. Jealous IMHO is still a townie although I'm feeling a bit paranoid about the blank pass I gave him thus far. Not enough to not townread him though. We have had only two wagons. So I say we lynch emperorchampion the next day and we'll learn a LOT: if he flips scum, we can be pretty sure that at least two, maybe all three scummers have voted the thekushmointains train. There was noone (besides kush himself) who voted outside of the wagons which makes me assume that this lynch wagon was actually a scum vs. town wagon. If there is a vigilante in, I strongly suggest to kill emperorchampion this night. Superbia already did this but then said it's a bad idea - I don't think it's a bad idea. Emperorchampion has the highest chance to flip scum out of everyone who's currently playing this game IMHO. Also, what about blkCoffee? Having someone in who's potentially lurking can be (and is!) detrimental for town. It's the second time he did not vote nor is he participating. Will we see a flip any time soon? A replacement? | ||
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"if he flips scum, we can be pretty sure that at least two, maybe all three scummers have voted the thekushmointains train" -> if he flips town. | ||
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-> if he flips scum. I'm just messing up my thought process. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked. So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor. | ||
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On June 10 2016 16:07 Superbia wrote: framer/cop/doc is not possible Why should that not be possible? If you are right, Moosy is scum. | ||
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Is it true that some setups such as cop+doctor are not possible? Actually that would make things doable for town. If Moosy gets lynched, I will be shot at night. If I get lynched and flip, Moosy can still be lynched next day. Still tough game to win but doable. | ||
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On June 10 2016 16:35 Superbia wrote: The world you're selling is impossible with moosy being the town cop. You're not reading properly. I am doc. If what you say is right then Moosy is scum because I am doc. I hope the host will clarify the issue soon. Read this post: On June 10 2016 16:22 beentheredonethat wrote: I am not exactly sure if I understand this. But if you're right I am really wondering why the host of a newbie game would give an advantage about setup knowledge to experienced players. Is it true that some setups such as cop+doctor are not possible? Actually that would make things doable for town. If Moosy gets lynched, I will be shot at night. If I get lynched and flip, Moosy can still be lynched next day. Still tough game to win but doable. It outlines my thought about the situation with Moosy being a scum fake claimer. | ||
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On June 10 2016 17:29 Jealous wrote: I'm starting to think that I'm wholly retarded, because I don't follow your logic either. Can you explain it in greater detail, more inductive reasoning steps in between? Three possible scenarios. a) Moosy is cop, I am doc. b) Moosy is scum fakeclaiming, I am doc c) Moosy is cop, I am scum. Superbia says that a) is not possible, so it's b) or c). Since I know that I am the doctor, I say it's b) and we should lynch Moosydoosy. He will of course say the opposite. If Superbia is correct in his die simulation, we have scenario B. This means that both Moosy and me are dead, only the order is relevant. If I get lynched as Doc, Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night. If Moosy gets lynched as scum, I will be shot at night by scum since I am the doc. Worst situation though is if Superbia is wrong, situtation a is possible, and situation a is given. Then it's a lose-lose-situation: it's town-doc vs. town-cop. If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop. Either way, situation a) would suck so I absolutely hope Superbia is right. Because if Superbia is right, then Moosy has just outed himself as scum and we lose Doctor at night vs. the first scummer. | ||
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You guys are currently on the verge of losing this game because Moosy made a ballsy move and made the doctor claim. It's now up to you to believe me and actually see through what Moosy is doing - or follow his plan and tunnel me into oblivion, which is what Superbia is currently doing. Superbia, you're math can be correct, granted - but all you interpret into your math is that I am not the doc. Please take a step back from the thread, have a deep look at MoosyDoosy, the value he added to the town on D1 (which is none), the surprising 180 he pulled on D2 which even made me townread him, and then the claim on D3. Also keep in mind that the host did not answer anything about the setup yet, so the possibility of a framer/roleblock/?? vs. cop/doc setup should not be dismissed anytime soon. Finalizing my thoughts, I think it's time to ##vote MoosyDoosy. I'm pretty sure he's scum fakeclaiming a power role. | ||
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I am paranoid enough by now to see a MoosyDoosy/Superbia scum team. Given superbias style of high quantity, low volume posts, I think that makes perfect sense. | ||
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On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote: I'm not trying to stir shit up or anything but His check on btdt is kinda out of nowhere imo cuz he spent entire d2 pressuring me and emp. If this is a situation where Moosy just fires shots on town btdt, he panics and screws up cc and Moosy defends his claim by just bringing up his Jealous tr on d2 we are so so fucked I mean only reason Moosy is not drawing suspicion is because btdt screwed up. This is simply wrong. I did not screw up. I am telling the truth and Moosy is scum fakeclaiming town into oblivion. Well played. He took a gamble that paid off big time. Superbia is most likely scum with him. He talked so much about roles so far that I assume he detected the setup math not just now but already earlier. Being a veteran, he used his advantage for his scum play. It is really bad that the host did not clear up the situation. And that the setup allowed this situation to happen. | ||
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GG MoosyDoosy, Superbia, and whoever is your third. | ||
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I hold Jealous' claim for genuine. More points against Superbia: he was townread almost all the time. How is mafia not killing this guy? Points against Moosy: why exactly did he check me? He townread me before. So why say I am scum? Because my activity Level is low enough to make me an easy target. Also note that there are a lot of people that seem just fine doing - nothing. Those people are to blame once I flip. Again, I am the doctor. Moosy is not the cop. In a setup based on dies, Two protective roles are possible. Especially since this game's hosting has been rather slow and lackluster, no offense. | ||
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I am actually not the doctor. I am the veteran. What did I think when Moosy said "hey, redchecked you": 1. "If he is genuine, there must be a framer." 2. "If he is not genuine, there will be a real cop hidden somewhere. Scum knows the setup, right?" 2. What made me claim doctor? 1. My role. I am the veteran. I can take two KPs. It would be great if scum simply shot me because it would waste one KP of them. 2. Assuming that I'd either eat the roleblock OR the roleblock plus the KP, I thought I'd give another night to the real cop to handle the situation. 3. Doctor cannot heal himself. So a dedicated roleblock to kill him would not be necessary, which made me think that scum would actually waste a KP on me without actually killing a townie and instead roleblock somewhere else. Since scum cannot know who the last blue role (because the last blue role, mind you, has not claimed!) is, scum would've guessed a roleblock somewhere - and I'd have eaten the KP. Moosy chose me as his fakeclaim target for various reasons. a) I am a low activity player and thus easy to be set up for a mislynch. b) I pressured him as scum for two consecutive days. Why did I wait so long to clarify my situation? I waited for Jealous' reaction. Remember this: Jealous was almost universally townread. He made his huge list post about who read who how at which point in time. What is easier than making up a green check on a guy who appears towny to the most anyways? That is why MoosyDoosy claims to have checked Jealous - because it is the safest call to do it. However, the almost universally townread Jealous was never a target of the scum team. Why not? Scum started D1 by killing Tumblewood, a player who was universally townread. D2 cycle ended with scum killing FecalFeast, a player that was under literally 0 pressure of being scum. But I ask ALL OF YOU: Was FecalFeast more town than Jealous? No! He was not! So the only reason that Jealous is alive is actually that he is scum with MoosyDoosy. That's is the world we live in. MoosyDoosy and Jealous are 2/3 scum players. The third one hides most likely between Superbia, Scott, Emperor, Skynx, and Tictock. The fact that Superbia was the only active person besides Moosy over the last 24-ish hours makes me believe that he is actually town, tunneling me a lot. Superbia, reconsider your read on me. You're proud of your seemingly 95% correct reads from day 1? Show me one, only one freaking game on this site where this happened. You will wake up once I hang, and you'll say something post-game like "oh damn I was so wrong, if only I had not lynched beentheredonethat". Yes. It might've been a bad play in hindsight. But I beg you guys to remember: this is a newbie game. Mistakes happen. Please - ##vote MoosyDoosy. Safe town, safe the game. | ||
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Shame it's over in 1 hour though. I'd say scott is the blue that hasn't claimed since he's not here. Maybe Skynx, too. | ||
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On June 12 2016 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: i rlly hope my check was real. lol. wp to the scumteam | ||
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On June 12 2016 07:56 Superbia wrote: Btw btdt. Next time something like this happens, you want to do that claim change right after. That way it looks more natural. x: Wow someone's riding a high horse there. Quality sportsmanship. | ||
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