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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 22 2016 20:04 GMT
#96
/in

Never played b4 yo
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 24 2016 22:15 GMT
#135
Does it usually take this long to fill up or is it cuz there are other games going on?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 31 2016 20:08 GMT
#156
Yey, we need 1 more then i guess.
In other news, do vets die if they get shot while roleblocked?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 01 2016 19:06 GMT
#164
Any hosts around? We're pretty much filled up i think.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#192
/confirm
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 02 2016 13:56 GMT
#214
On June 02 2016 22:51 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you update the playerlist?

Done.

You sure? #2 is quite old, or is it just me?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 02 2016 18:10 GMT
#232
I heared you're the most (recent) experienced one tho.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 03 2016 16:09 GMT
#239
Im assuming from his last post we might get a reply tonight. Either way game should start tonight, right?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 03 2016 21:51 GMT
#280
On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
PREGAME READS

1) Emperorchampion - the rare legit newbie
2) Skynx - nothing like sweet sweet newbie
3) QuickTwist - forum mafia world traveler. Super pro, but new to this site.
4)sqrtofneg1 - why is this guy even a newbie? I've played with him before.
5) blkcoffee - kinda like QT in that he's played at other sites, but he doesn't seem like he's going to be as active
6) Jealous - 2 game newbie. from his posts so far, he looks like he's gonna be a lurker. We should PLYNCH d1.

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - why is this guy under vets? he seems really delightful though. I want to be his friend.
2) Tumblewood - kind of a meany.
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum.
4) darthfoley - slot please me mine
5) Superbia - so last game he bussed hard and made this awesome case against his team mate. be wary of this dirty buser.
6) FecalFeast - disgusting
7)Ticktock - not sure what the difference between this guy and tumblewood is. both names start with t and both play low to moderate activity.


I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers.

Wow you sound like a townie
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 03 2016 22:23 GMT
#284
[image loading]
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 03 2016 23:44 GMT
#379
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 03 2016 23:47 GMT
#383
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

He doesn't sound scummy (yet)
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 00:01 GMT
#407
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 00:21 GMT
#438
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 00:33 GMT
#458
On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.


Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads.
Less exciting now.

That was my point yes.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 00:37 GMT
#464
On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.


Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads.
Less exciting now.


Typing on a phone is difficult apparently.

So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear?

Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake.
They both sound scummy.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 11:53 GMT
#604
Good morning people! Not having much else to do I actually went through 3 pages of solid spam. I then also went to read QT filter:
1: Contentless town reads
On June 04 2016 09:45 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:41 Tumblewood wrote:
ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive


I think this is a townie response.

Including this one he made some town reads based on absolutely nothing, First 3 were kinda trying to get the game going but they don't benefit town as if you don't have some case on why someone is town why just claim them town, you're just promoting confusion.

2: Memes & one liners
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 09:46 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:44 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:39 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
[quote]

This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.


[image loading]

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.


you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.


yeah, and really really super obvious as well.

Knowing nothing about you or your play style and only judging from the content that you present, it's logical to use Ockham's razor and go with the most obvious explanation. You continue to dodge post after post, question after question, and only cast doubt upon the analysis of others by trying to debase them without any substance whatsoever.


You know what I think? I think you should hold off your judgement until you DO know my playstyle.

Or maybe you can answer some questions and show your play style through analysis and not through mindless macros and unsubstantiated claims.


[image loading]

This doesn't add anything to the conversation and he seems to like it as a cheap way of not elaborating things further. His filter page3 reeks of just memes and one liners. These are just useless spam.

3: Ignoring valid posts that are making sense
So tumble posted this about the spam
On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:
hi kush
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 10:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1.

okay with plynches but not for that reason. in newbie games mafia is lynched almost never on d1 so I'd rather take my chances on someone who won't contribute than someone who might turn out to be a helpful townie

His response:
On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote:
##Vote: Tumblewood

I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?

As town, why would you wanna lynch someone is trying to make sense, if you're serious that is.

4: Diverting attention by linking old stuff
On June 04 2016 13:18 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Jealous which between myself and quicky is more suspicious?


What is the point to this question?


Sup, can you answer this question now?

On June 04 2016 13:23 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

50/50 like for reading and applying Incognito's guide / dislike for maybe (?) hiding behind Incognito's guide instead of speaking for yourself
also Incognito's guide is pretty old and now there are a lot of players that spam as both alignments


Link to guid?

These are where he understands he's not making a lot of sense so lets bring up old arguments and create some diversion. Super wasn't serious and you should've read the guide already, these are irrelevant to the discussion where people actually started to scumread him.

Please enlighten me if you think he has made 1 usefull/towny post. Even if you think he might be town, these constant flow of useless posts are last thing we need and lynching him would benefit town more than plynching an afk for now, i don't think he will make positive contributions later on.

On June 04 2016 12:18 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be living tomorrow.



##Vote: QuickTwist
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 11:56 GMT
#605
EBWOP

Before someone mentions it, you can apply the spamming bit to Jealous aswell but I think he was actually making sense and argue in a constructive way.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 12:45 GMT
#606
Since no one is around I'll be away until the evening.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 16:08 GMT
#629
I'm back early
On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .

Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.

I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.


If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 16:29 GMT
#633
On June 05 2016 01:18 blkcoffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:
I'm back early
On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .

Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.

I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.


If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.


So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion?

Depends on what happens next 24h before lynch. If he flips scum we can make cases on other peoples reaction on him. If he flips town what a shame we will have less spam for rest of the game.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 17:11 GMT
#646
On June 05 2016 01:51 blkcoffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 01:29 Skynx wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:18 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:
I'm back early
On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .

Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.

I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.


If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.


So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion?

Depends on what happens next 24h before lynch. If he flips scum we can make cases on other peoples reaction on him. If he flips town what a shame we will have less spam for rest of the game.


Sorry I wasn't clear. Right now what is your read on qt? I'm not really too bothered on your read of him after he flips.

I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. He is scum from the way I read his posts.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 17:12 GMT
#648
Or he is a very very bad town.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 17:50 GMT
#658
On June 05 2016 02:35 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:
On June 05 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't like this "detriment to the town even if he is a townie" sentiment... what is that supposed to mean? If he is a townie, he is not detrimental to the town unless he causes us to lynch him. What is he doing? "Sowing seeds of confusion?" He's not undermining anyone, confusing anyone, he's just playing the game. Either call him scum or call him town, but don't say you'd lynch him if he's town because that's totally backwards.

Let me be clear, I have the greatest suspicion of him being scum of anyone else in the thread so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way.

that's not counterproductive to the town though
oh my... have you heard of the player "Palmar"? most people regard him as one of the best players on the site, and he almost never substantiates his reads or answers questions on D1. This is his filter from the last game he played.
One can be helpful to town without backing up what one says.

Kinda off-topic but I was 95% sure Palmar was scum after Koshi was clipped.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 18:23 GMT
#672
@tumble what makes you wanna plynch sqrt instead of fecalfeast who is yet to post a word since daypost.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 05 2016 13:22 GMT
#742
On June 05 2016 06:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm tired of phone reading with my girlfriend here so I'll just post what i have so far

Super probably didn't roll scum for the 10th time.
Jealous is making posts i don't really want read but is being towny
Quicktwist is being trolly but having moments of clarity so i can't be too upset with him

I think skynx is scummy because he is hardly commenting on anything relevant when he posts while also not chatting it up or anything. Posting for the sake of posting

I'm only on page 27 so grains of salt all around

I'm going for slurpees anyone want anything?

You break my heart man, but i dunno what to do now. Shall i chat shit or just post very serious stuff...
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 05 2016 13:57 GMT
#755
On June 05 2016 22:31 Superbia wrote:
Skynx can you give me some updates regarding your thoughts atm?

Tumble, emperor, you are townies
For thoughts on QT read #604
Not much of read on most others but I don't feel like lynching kush+bddt for some time
These are all just feels

+ I'm suspicious of one specific person but I'll keep that to myself for now.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 05 2016 14:00 GMT
#757
On June 05 2016 22:57 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 10:24 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


IDK what you mean by keeps things clean. I'm a messy person actually so I don't know where this is coming from.


No response from them on this.

I adressed that pretty early on
On June 04 2016 09:37 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.


Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads.
Less exciting now.


Typing on a phone is difficult apparently.

So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear?

Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake.
They both sound scummy.

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 05 2016 14:19 GMT
#760
They are all pure feels.
Your posts in last 2 pages changed my opinion for now. You were just trying to stir shit up at the beginning which i didnt like thats why i scumread you first.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 05 2016 14:19 GMT
#761
Do your 7 reads in this page have any basis?
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 14:19 GMT
#762
Fuck, the previous page then
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 14:22 GMT
#764
I'm off to football for couple of hours btw.
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 18:46 GMT
#804
On June 06 2016 03:22 Tictock wrote:
Skynx was brought up and I had some misgivings regarding his opening (was going to include him in my post yesturday but ran out of time).

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On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


I'm really not a fan of this opening because he's useing a one line rule to throw out very unfounded reads. There is also no indication that he is actually trying to apply the rule he's using here. "Town likes clarity" into "sounds towny" or "keeps things clean".

I really have a hard time understanding why Super would have been the most scummy based on the criteria of contentless posts as well.

This also bugged me
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On June 04 2016 08:47 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

He doesn't sound scummy (yet)


Really odd dodgy answer after he very clearly gave QT a townread in his open (or at least a lean).

I also find it pretty interesting how he refines his read of QT but his read on Super remains static.
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On June 04 2016 09:37 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.


Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads.
Less exciting now.


Typing on a phone is difficult apparently.

So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear?

Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake.
They both sound scummy.


Since I'm finding QT fairly scummy myself I tend to agree with Skynx's little case on him, but I'm also aware that a fair few of his points were just parroting what had been mentioned already.

I might be pretty fine with lynching Skynx today.




Disclaimer: This post was written over a much longer period of time than it should have. There has been a random bit of roommate drama over that past hour so I've been a little distracted while trying to put my thoughts together.

I'm gunna take a bit to resolve things then I'll do my little skim-over/catch-up and see how things feel as we are getting into EoD here.

Oh, I'm sorry. So you claim I was parroting what was mentioned already while I'm the only one to make a proper case?
I'm seeing too many of these "I feel QT is scummy" posts but only 3 votes on him so far.
Please make your intentions clear people, me doing so and getting scumread for it is quite amusing.

For reference:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 00:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Having trouble justifying not voting QT, but not feeling good about voting him, either.


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On June 05 2016 22:30 Superbia wrote:
The jealous/quicky 'debate' was unlikely to be TvT. And I'm tempted to call quicky the mafia, because of jealous reads actually progressed during the 'debate'. But I'm not completely convinced yet.


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On June 05 2016 08:23 scott31337 wrote:
I read QuickTwist's filter since he's the one I'm tied in votes for, and it's 6 pages of one-liners and a couple of magic early townreads and a "Maybe scum" on Tictock. It's pretty bad - wouldn't mind voting for him


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On June 05 2016 19:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Strongly considering stfu lynching qt

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Skynx
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June 05 2016 21:21 GMT
#885
On June 05 2016 01:51 blkcoffee wrote:
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On June 05 2016 01:29 Skynx wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:18 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:
I'm back early
On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .

Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.

I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.


If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.


So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion?

Depends on what happens next 24h before lynch. If he flips scum we can make cases on other peoples reaction on him. If he flips town what a shame we will have less spam for rest of the game.


Sorry I wasn't clear. Right now what is your read on qt? I'm not really too bothered on your read of him after he flips.

Where are you? Lots of Jealous vs QT in last couple of pages so you can make up your mind.
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 21:22 GMT
#886
Same for moosy, please give your reads.
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 21:40 GMT
#895
On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote:
OK I reread the thread, here are my reads:

Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch.

The Town AF people are:

Emperorchampion
blkcoffee
beentheredonethat
Tumblewood

These are the people I will not be voting all game.

After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch?
If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense.
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Skynx
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June 05 2016 22:57 GMT
#935
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?
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Skynx
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June 06 2016 00:31 GMT
#964
Meh
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Skynx
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June 06 2016 10:32 GMT
#1043
Just poppin in, I was lurking for strategic reasons.
That last min shennanie was nasty but doesn't necessarily make anyone scum for reasons btdt listed. Last few pages were interesting tho as I didn't think most people would list clear reads in night as they are powerless.

I'll be flying back home today so not much activity til day. Gn town.

On June 06 2016 07:57 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote:
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?


Oh hello there.

Hi TT!
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 13:16 GMT
#1140
On June 07 2016 14:22 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 07 2016 14:15 Superbia wrote:
Anyway pressure on skynx is prob okay for now

why should i listen to you you're not my dad


Guy said he was afk for strategic reasons and has been defensive

Yo I was afk just before d1 ended. For the night I was travelling, not much I could do anyways.

Lemme catchup.
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 14:20 GMT
#1143
Hmmmmmm I'm getting bandwagonned then ok lemme handle this.
I'm gona start since QT lynch since I was away for the night.

So up to 47, only clear push on me was from TT. Two other were like mayyyybe on lynching me: Moosy (cuz of qt case), FF (for same reason).
Then just before lynch Tumble decides I'm the clear lynch target and tries to get others switch to me for shennanie, doesn't happen tho.
Following that Super, btdt reads me mafia out of nowhere.
Moosy somewhat mafia reads me but I can't make sense of that post anyway.

Tumble gets nk.

Moosy 100% sr's me but then is unsure again in same post.
Then kush votes for me.

You guys know what this looks like?

+ Show Spoiler +

In order of appearance:
On May 27 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:
No I am serious. Marv is mafia. Just read his filter. Look how much defense there is in it. Against Rels. Against sicklucker. He is always around for that. People notice it. But he just defends against it but there is never anything more.

JAT open eyes. marv is mafia.

Also being second on scumlynches as scum is his forte.


On May 27 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 2

Koshi the VT is dead.




It is now Day 2.
Day ends Saturday, May 28 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to place your votes.



On May 27 2016 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
Great shot mafia, thank you


On May 29 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Night 2

Marvellosity the 2-shot tracker was lynched.



Day 2 Final Votecount

marvellosity (8): Palmar, Damdred, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Vivax, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred, Superbia
Superbia (1): Tumblewood, sicklucker
Vivax (1): marvellosity
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Damdred
Rels: (1) nnn_thekushmountains
Damdred (0): nnn_thekushmountains, marvellosity

Not Voting (0):


It's now night 2.

Night ends Sunday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to get in your actions.



Moral of the story is I see lots of sr's on me while only TT (and maybe btdt) shows a reasoning behind it.
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 14:48 GMT
#1146
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 15:23 GMT
#1168
Why suddenly change your post style Moosy?
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 17:09 GMT
#1208
On June 08 2016 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:20 Skynx wrote:
Hmmmmmm I'm getting bandwagonned then ok lemme handle this.
I'm gona start since QT lynch since I was away for the night.

So up to 47, only clear push on me was from TT. Two other were like mayyyybe on lynching me: Moosy (cuz of qt case), FF (for same reason).
Then just before lynch Tumble decides I'm the clear lynch target and tries to get others switch to me for shennanie, doesn't happen tho.
Following that Super, btdt reads me mafia out of nowhere.
Moosy somewhat mafia reads me but I can't make sense of that post anyway.

Tumble gets nk.

Moosy 100% sr's me but then is unsure again in same post.
Then kush votes for me.

You guys know what this looks like?

+ Show Spoiler +

In order of appearance:
On May 27 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:
No I am serious. Marv is mafia. Just read his filter. Look how much defense there is in it. Against Rels. Against sicklucker. He is always around for that. People notice it. But he just defends against it but there is never anything more.

JAT open eyes. marv is mafia.

Also being second on scumlynches as scum is his forte.


On May 27 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 2

Koshi the VT is dead.




It is now Day 2.
Day ends Saturday, May 28 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to place your votes.



On May 27 2016 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
Great shot mafia, thank you


On May 29 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Night 2

Marvellosity the 2-shot tracker was lynched.



Day 2 Final Votecount

marvellosity (8): Palmar, Damdred, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Vivax, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred, Superbia
Superbia (1): Tumblewood, sicklucker
Vivax (1): marvellosity
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Damdred
Rels: (1) nnn_thekushmountains
Damdred (0): nnn_thekushmountains, marvellosity

Not Voting (0):


It's now night 2.

Night ends Sunday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to get in your actions.



Moral of the story is I see lots of sr's on me while only TT (and maybe btdt) shows a reasoning behind it.


Okay? Who's the scum pushing on you?

What did the "strategical afk" mean?

Lol how cheeky can you get, I'm not gona explain my tactics publicly especially they by most part worked: please check people's reaction to #935 and #1043.

The scum pushing me?
On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.

I feel like you're trying to avoid every point I make in my posts somehow.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
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June 07 2016 17:09 GMT
#1210
On June 08 2016 02:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 01:46 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:20 Skynx wrote:
Hmmmmmm I'm getting bandwagonned then ok lemme handle this.
I'm gona start since QT lynch since I was away for the night.

So up to 47, only clear push on me was from TT. Two other were like mayyyybe on lynching me: Moosy (cuz of qt case), FF (for same reason).
Then just before lynch Tumble decides I'm the clear lynch target and tries to get others switch to me for shennanie, doesn't happen tho.
Following that Super, btdt reads me mafia out of nowhere.
Moosy somewhat mafia reads me but I can't make sense of that post anyway.

Tumble gets nk.

Moosy 100% sr's me but then is unsure again in same post.
Then kush votes for me.

You guys know what this looks like?

+ Show Spoiler +

In order of appearance:
On May 27 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:
No I am serious. Marv is mafia. Just read his filter. Look how much defense there is in it. Against Rels. Against sicklucker. He is always around for that. People notice it. But he just defends against it but there is never anything more.

JAT open eyes. marv is mafia.

Also being second on scumlynches as scum is his forte.


On May 27 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 2

Koshi the VT is dead.




It is now Day 2.
Day ends Saturday, May 28 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to place your votes.



On May 27 2016 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
Great shot mafia, thank you


On May 29 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Night 2

Marvellosity the 2-shot tracker was lynched.



Day 2 Final Votecount

marvellosity (8): Palmar, Damdred, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Vivax, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred, Superbia
Superbia (1): Tumblewood, sicklucker
Vivax (1): marvellosity
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Damdred
Rels: (1) nnn_thekushmountains
Damdred (0): nnn_thekushmountains, marvellosity

Not Voting (0):


It's now night 2.

Night ends Sunday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to get in your actions.



Moral of the story is I see lots of sr's on me while only TT (and maybe btdt) shows a reasoning behind it.


Okay? Who's the scum pushing on you?

What did the "strategical afk" mean?


I was watching Manila btw, thought everyone was afk
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
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June 07 2016 17:12 GMT
#1213
On June 08 2016 02:10 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 02:09 Skynx wrote:
On June 08 2016 02:05 Superbia wrote:
On June 08 2016 01:46 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:20 Skynx wrote:
Hmmmmmm I'm getting bandwagonned then ok lemme handle this.
I'm gona start since QT lynch since I was away for the night.

So up to 47, only clear push on me was from TT. Two other were like mayyyybe on lynching me: Moosy (cuz of qt case), FF (for same reason).
Then just before lynch Tumble decides I'm the clear lynch target and tries to get others switch to me for shennanie, doesn't happen tho.
Following that Super, btdt reads me mafia out of nowhere.
Moosy somewhat mafia reads me but I can't make sense of that post anyway.

Tumble gets nk.

Moosy 100% sr's me but then is unsure again in same post.
Then kush votes for me.

You guys know what this looks like?

+ Show Spoiler +

In order of appearance:
On May 27 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:
No I am serious. Marv is mafia. Just read his filter. Look how much defense there is in it. Against Rels. Against sicklucker. He is always around for that. People notice it. But he just defends against it but there is never anything more.

JAT open eyes. marv is mafia.

Also being second on scumlynches as scum is his forte.


On May 27 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 2

Koshi the VT is dead.




It is now Day 2.
Day ends Saturday, May 28 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to place your votes.



On May 27 2016 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
Great shot mafia, thank you


On May 29 2016 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Night 2

Marvellosity the 2-shot tracker was lynched.



Day 2 Final Votecount

marvellosity (8): Palmar, Damdred, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Vivax, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred, Superbia
Superbia (1): Tumblewood, sicklucker
Vivax (1): marvellosity
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Damdred
Rels: (1) nnn_thekushmountains
Damdred (0): nnn_thekushmountains, marvellosity

Not Voting (0):


It's now night 2.

Night ends Sunday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to get in your actions.



Moral of the story is I see lots of sr's on me while only TT (and maybe btdt) shows a reasoning behind it.


Okay? Who's the scum pushing on you?

What did the "strategical afk" mean?


I was watching Manila btw, thought everyone was afk


Manilla ended like an hour ago. Though I firmly believe that watching dota is always a good excuse to be afk.

Timezones screw me up, just youtubing my way
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 17:15 GMT
#1218
On June 08 2016 02:13 Superbia wrote:
Kush was already in my kill list. Let's do it.

What do you think of Scott n TT? This next lynch is make or break that's why I haven't voted yet.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
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June 07 2016 17:25 GMT
#1224
On June 08 2016 02:17 Superbia wrote:
You can always change your vote.

Bah fuck it you're right. It may summon people out of afk aswell maybe.
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Skynx
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June 07 2016 20:51 GMT
#1276
On June 08 2016 04:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 03:23 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Some thoughts on scum teams:
-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush
-TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon


Hmmmmmm

Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom



On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses -
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak.

- Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +

I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order):

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?

On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?


That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why?

I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.

What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team.

Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter

Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations.

On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip?


- I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think.


aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...


Where are these teams coming from? This seems like you drew names out of a hat then went to think about if they made sense as a team.

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On June 08 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote:
And just to take things a step too far...

If kush is in fact mafia I'm kinda thinking of a team like Kush/Moosy/Jealous

just thought it was slightly ironic so I wanted to point it out

This actually hilarious.
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#1317
On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
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On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind

But how would that make sense for a scum strategy?

The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town.

This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo.

You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam.

Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out.

Lol this is so not true. He could've just jumped on the train for easy mislynch.
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June 08 2016 16:26 GMT
#1318
Moosy's vote is a good example for this btw.
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June 08 2016 16:35 GMT
#1319
Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game...
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#1339
Nah he's Ceasar so watching me fight no one from the crowd.
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#1340
On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.

Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch?

Please give reads on TT & Moosy.
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June 08 2016 19:26 GMT
#1353
Wait aint EoD in few hours? We spent whole of yesterday + today (irl) so 48 hours or am i dreamin here?
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#1354
Nvm my phone thought its tuesday for some reason..
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June 08 2016 19:33 GMT
#1356
Super why TT is town?
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June 08 2016 19:38 GMT
#1357
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.
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#1363
On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.

Define "big target" please

Not you, Scott or blk.
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June 08 2016 19:45 GMT
#1364
On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:
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On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.

Define "big target" please

Not you, Scott or blk.

Or btdt
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#1373
On June 09 2016 04:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
So you want to kill someone with more thread presence rahter than someone who isn't contributing? That isn't a towny mindset imo.

Moose who do we kill, then?

My opinion is mafia would be happier if we mislynch a non-factor today. In the current state of the game everyone is calling shots on different targets,.
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June 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#1374
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.
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#1375
Many people are sr'ing kush who is on my list. Almost no one is talking about TT who's my other sr altho he made some sense lately.
So I'm suggesting people clarify their reads so we can pick a common target.
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#1381
On June 09 2016 05:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush?

Are you reading the thread at all? Check votes, check my reads, my filter is clear about what I think of people.
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#1382
On June 09 2016 05:01 emperorchampion wrote:
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On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.


How do you rate from most coin-flippy to least coin-flippy??

Afk-ers are coin-flippy cuz we don't have information to analyse.
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#1383
This is getting nowhere. I gtg now, keeping my vote on kush.
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#1387
On June 09 2016 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 09 2016 05:03 Skynx wrote:
On June 09 2016 05:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush?

Are you reading the thread at all? Check votes, check my reads, my filter is clear about what I think of people.

I mean, that's the issue. These are the only mentions/kind of mentions of kush I can find in your filter.

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On June 09 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
Many people are sr'ing kush who is on my list. Almost no one is talking about TT who's my other sr altho he made some sense lately.
So I'm suggesting people clarify their reads so we can pick a common target.

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On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.

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On June 09 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game...

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On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.

One list of reads that says kush is scum. Others are soft pushes. You say that others are scum reading kush like you so we should vote him and you say you don't want to waste your vote. The only other real mention of kush is asking him to defend. Overall it seems you're not confident in the kush push which is why I was asking if you thought kush was scum in order to make sure I got it right.

Fair, I was just getting frustrated.
The reason i wasn't confident on vote was cuz there was a lot of time til eod and i thought people would post more content. Today was totally useless and we got no distance covered so gotta keep my original thoughts. Kush is most scummy for his townlist and all that other jazz.

I rly gtg now, happy lynches ppl.
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#1507
Holy shit
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#1521
Nice, people learning from Tumble not to post anything in night!
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#1524
On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:
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On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.

Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.

That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny.

Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC.

I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town?
Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol
Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz.
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#1547
On June 10 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
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On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote:
On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:
On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.

Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.

That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny.

Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC.

I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town?
Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol
Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz.


If 2 people claim cop you know for a fact that one of them is scum, and you can figure it out from there. Much better than what we currently have.

Then that cop is dead the other night.
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#1556
Well I get your point, but how to deal with counter claims then if we can't be allowed a mislynch?
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#1561
Ahwell, nn then Super. Hope you won't die tonight.
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#1714
Goooodmorning Vietnam! lemme catchup
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#1715
Well, I'm convinced by this and this that btdt is fakecalaiming out of pressure.
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June 10 2016 13:45 GMT
#1743
If this is in fact ur 11th time in a row rolling mafia you're doing so good Super.
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#1747
I'm not trying to stir shit up or anything but
On June 09 2016 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 09 2016 06:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hello guys. I am finally here, logged in on a friend's computer. I could not play thus far and have not caught up to the thread. Based on my reads from last day and having seen the kills, I strongly suggest to lynch into one of (oh, the irony) low volume player. The last 48 hours have produced very little discussion and I feel like lynching afk people is a good thing.

I will place my vote on thekushmountains for that purpose. Please note that my real life issues will probably continue for the next 24 hours, so do not expect great activity from my side. Sorry, again. Good night everyone.

##vote nnn_thekushmountians

This guy is town too no matter what.


His check on btdt is kinda out of nowhere imo cuz he spent entire d2 pressuring me and emp.
If this is a situation where Moosy just fires shots on town btdt, he panics and screws up cc and Moosy defends his claim by just bringing up his Jealous tr on d2 we are so so fucked

On June 10 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
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On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.

beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.

##Vote: beentheredonethat


What were your other checks?

And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx?


On June 10 2016 08:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
#moneychecks

#2pro

#bestblueever

#hashtag

:3


I mean only reason Moosy is not drawing suspicion is because btdt screwed up.
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#1748
Please please someone claim cop...
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#1750
Yeah I sort of see that, your D1 playstyle kicks in every now and then and I stop scrolling down on your filter.
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#1751
Anyway, lets say we lynch btdt today, Jealous and Super I'm never lynching D4. Moosy's alignment will be revealed after today aswell so thats 3 out of the way.
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#1753
On June 10 2016 18:19 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 10 2016 18:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 10 2016 17:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 10 2016 17:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Claiming doc is no fuck up. Moosys claim is not genuine if Superbia is right. And it is a wrong call due to me being framed if Superbia is wrong. I hope Superbia is right because if he is not and Moosy really is cop, then town loses both power roles within one cycle and the game is lost.

I'm starting to think that I'm wholly retarded, because I don't follow your logic either. Can you explain it in greater detail, more inductive reasoning steps in between?


Three possible scenarios.

a) Moosy is cop, I am doc.
b) Moosy is scum fakeclaiming, I am doc
c) Moosy is cop, I am scum.

Superbia says that a) is not possible, so it's b) or c). Since I know that I am the doctor, I say it's b) and we should lynch Moosydoosy. He will of course say the opposite.

If Superbia is correct in his die simulation, we have scenario B. This means that both Moosy and me are dead, only the order is relevant. If I get lynched as Doc, Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night. If Moosy gets lynched as scum, I will be shot at night by scum since I am the doc.

Worst situation though is if Superbia is wrong, situtation a is possible, and situation a is given. Then it's a lose-lose-situation: it's town-doc vs. town-cop. If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop.

Either way, situation a) would suck so I absolutely hope Superbia is right. Because if Superbia is right, then Moosy has just outed himself as scum and we lose Doctor at night vs. the first scummer.



If you get lynched as doc, the game is over unless the vig does not get RB'd and makes a successful shot. You don't even know it's MYLO, right? From Superbia's analysis - if he's fakeclaiming, there's a real cop or a unclaimed vig (which hasn't shot? doubtful) "Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night." " If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop."

Your not thinking like a townie or a doc.

Here's your shovel.

This is like the only towny post of Scott
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#1754
On June 10 2016 23:49 Superbia wrote:
If we ever lynch town we lose. Unless scum KP gets stopped.

I know, I'm trying to make stuff happen for D4 assuming we correctly scum lynch btdt today and Moosy is cop for real.
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June 10 2016 15:01 GMT
#1755
I will dive through TT and emperor from the start a bit later. Off for now.
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#1804
Just poppin in to sit my vote, will post thoughts on others after the gym.
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#1810
Might as well wait for tomorrow then, I don't have doubts anymore.
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#1875
So we have confirmed cop and framer, based on Superbia's math yesterday its impossible we have a doc that can save Moosy?
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#1877
I'm assuming them having a GF on top of a framer would be too much. So a RB for them and you're the vet.
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#1924
Hmm time for another defence I see, gimme few minutes.
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#1925
On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:
Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other.

Looking back at Day 1 data, we have:

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BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood

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Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum

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Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC

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Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC


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Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT.

You voted same person each day as well.

They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched.

I wrote the QT case, Moosy was a troll vote and you were in the original argument and counter-voted him.
I started kush train as well along with Super.
That being said I'm conservative with my votes and I'm not a fan of changing them since a sudden change of opinion would draw more suspicion on me when already half of you guys are sr'ing me from n1.

then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell.

I called TT bandwagonning D2 altho I tr him along with pretty much everyone save Moosy.

I don't see how this is all relevant tho.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
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June 13 2016 15:45 GMT
#1926
So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town.
Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while.

So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts:
On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.

So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye?

5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter

lol the irony

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean

This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion.

He doesn't really pushes his questions either:
On June 08 2016 02:57 scott31337 wrote:
So tumble is dead.

Super looks more interested in the game, and so does moosy.

Tictock who are your three scum right now?

I've skimmed the thread, at a worksite right now but I shall return.


Not entirely scummy but still:
On June 10 2016 18:40 scott31337 wrote:
Tinfoil - Shapelog didn't mention about the rules about how a veteran loses his vest while being roleblocked in the OP (or does not?!?) - so the example is actually how he rolled the dice.


On June 01 2016 07:48 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 01 2016 05:08 Skynx wrote:
Yey, we need 1 more then i guess.
In other news, do vets die if they get shot while roleblocked?


They will die.


Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself.
He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument:

On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote:
Please please someone claim cop...


Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow.


I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi
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Skynx
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June 13 2016 15:58 GMT
#1927
I'm tired tho I don't think I can fit another analyse for now. TT & emperor reads coming tomorrow.
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Skynx
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June 13 2016 15:58 GMT
#1928
I might as well put my vote on park for now.
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Skynx
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June 13 2016 21:33 GMT
#1937
On June 14 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
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On June 14 2016 06:13 scott31337 wrote:
On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.

I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.

Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.

Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum?


It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous


Ah thats right.

Kinda a cop out move though... eh?

Doesn't matter who dies you know
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Skynx
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June 14 2016 13:26 GMT
#1979
On June 14 2016 06:37 Jealous wrote:
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On June 14 2016 06:33 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
On June 14 2016 06:13 scott31337 wrote:
On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.

I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.

Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.

Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum?


It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous


Ah thats right.

Kinda a cop out move though... eh?

Doesn't matter who dies you know

What do you mean?

"I'm gona vote whoever Jealous votes" he is basically buying your opinion on how he's gona do the most important thing in the game. He doesn't care who he votes because it doesn't represent his opinion so he's safe.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
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June 14 2016 13:27 GMT
#1980
On June 14 2016 08:35 Tictock wrote:
Also for Skynx.

You had a scum read on me for most of the game, can you tell me what your read of me is now and what (if anything) has changed?

Well,
On June 09 2016 07:52 Tictock wrote:
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On June 09 2016 07:49 Jealous wrote:
How about the Skynx bandwagon that seemingly dissipated overnight?


Reads change.


I liked your D2 activity and out of ordinary questions and trying to get people to think instead of just killing kush. That was kinda what I tried to do during 1st half of D2 but then I had to be away.
My reads on you from earlier stuff that i mentioned in my sr I see now that is kinda applicable to everyone. Most people, I think with exception of Super n Jealous have that activity for sake of activity posts all around but I guess that doesn't mean anything.

On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote:
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On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway.


I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info.

So this I like, but that is actually what happened and btdt lost his cool, gave away his mafioso and we got nothing else out of that day.

On June 14 2016 15:19 Superbia wrote:
TT why has your scumread on me evaporated? You were coming into d3 voting me, but after the red check I'm nowhere to be seen.

Why was I your hardest scum then? What happened that made you flip so enormously? From what I see you are no longer even considering me. What happened to tinfoil?

Then this. My initial thought is that btdt wagon became too big for you to ignore. Super is not posting differently before/after D3 so its hard to change reads on that. No one else was sr'ing Super anyway so if you're town it doesn't make sense to me without a super solid case. That did not happen and you chose the safe play of voting for btdt.

Now, another point is your relationship with Scott who's my primary sr.
On June 08 2016 05:38 Tictock wrote:
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On June 08 2016 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Where is kush.

TT who are never mafia for you?


I'd kinda like to get back to you on this.

But gut feeling?
Super
FF
Scott

and probably...
Emp
Blkcoffee

which starts with this
On June 07 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote:
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On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s


I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order

Skynx
Scott
Someone Else
Someone Else
...
Super

Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us.

then this in contrary, altho you might argue it was too early in the game to make serious reads.
On June 07 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Eh idk I haven't had a chance to put any real time into this game today, still feel fairly happy with my town reads. I'm also starting to lean town on kush but I'm not totally comfortable with that read just yet.

Scott's claim to not have gotten his role PM bugs me just a little kus I know sqrt was posting in the first hour of the game (so pretty sure he got his role, don't think a newbie would start posting without getting that). There was also a pretty large gap from when scott joined the game till when he made that post.

Maybe I'm overthinking it but it feels weird, and I think Scott needs to step it up one way or another.

Yet he does not, and you never push this again
On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote:
Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible.

Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions).

BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me.

Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward.

try to put this in context with this
On June 09 2016 05:20 Tictock wrote:
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On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.


What do you mean by a big target?

So you had like exact same way of my thinking then straight up question it.

Your filter page 7 is filled with posts both accusing and defending Scott, sometimes assigning me and him for last 2 mafia, I'm not gona post all here since it'd be too big just check it out if interested.

And all that finalises into this:
On June 14 2016 08:27 Tictock wrote:
Scott do you think Skynx and EC are the last two mafia?

Personally I'm kinda coming back to this game with fresh eyes since I was away for a full couple of days. I'm seeing a couple of possible worlds that both seem equally likely atm.

I was playing this game without doing real filter dives just skimming for key posts, but I think I might need to try and cross check a few things.


Mind you, despite all these pushes, sr's, tr's you have only just now pushed him to answer your questions. You have never voted for him either.

Now lets have a look at this from Scott's side:
On June 10 2016 19:12 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 10 2016 10:04 Tictock wrote:
Ok I said I was gunna hold off, but mulling things over I think I feel pretty good about Moosy's claim. As such I propose we have a very solid town circle of Moosy, Jealous, and myself (I think I can backup why I am town if I need to).

I also feel pretty good about Emp being town still.

So question to Moosy and Jealous. What do you guys think about Emp?

Assuming for a moment that he is town, who do you think the last townie is? (between Skynx, Scott and Super)

+ Show Spoiler [Irony] +
This reminded me...
On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s



Personally I could actually see a team of BtDt, Skynx and Super/Scott.


So uhhhmmm,yeah -


On June 13 2016 11:04 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 06 2016 07:54 Tictock wrote:
So we swapping to BtDt or Skynx then?

I'm ready.


Some sort of accusation here

On June 13 2016 11:05 scott31337 wrote:
Btdt/Skynx/EC?

Then completely stops assigning you with mafia

On June 14 2016 07:28 scott31337 wrote:

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On June 14 2016 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
Also, scott:

On June 13 2016 22:27 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:
On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers


hmm


Do you disagree?



Yes, I disagree - if were lynching a town, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to want to sheannie, they would rather get the mislynch.

Very strong defense of you right here. Personally I can answer Scott here, QT train was unstoppable so TT felt no pressure shennanies cuz he didn't think anyone would be around. Him and FF go for btdt for this exact situation then Tumble pops up suggests me. This doesn't go through cuz I'm already gathering a lot of suspicion on myself.

Anyway, this activity between you and Scott is a big tell imo and either way too big to ignore at this point in the game.
What is your opinion on my read for Scott?
And people pls post ur reactions to this, especially Jealous n Super
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Skynx
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Turkey7150 Posts
June 14 2016 13:31 GMT
#1981
On June 14 2016 16:17 Jealous wrote:
Ok so I did some digging, and here are my thoughts on the four current candidates:

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I went into this expecting his posts to be more scummy than they were. There were maybe 3 or 4 suspect posts, but these two:

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On June 14 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote:
So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town.
Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while.

So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts:
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On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


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2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.

So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye?

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5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter

lol the irony

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1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean

This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion.

He doesn't really pushes his questions either:
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On June 08 2016 02:57 scott31337 wrote:
So tumble is dead.

Super looks more interested in the game, and so does moosy.

Tictock who are your three scum right now?

I've skimmed the thread, at a worksite right now but I shall return.


Not entirely scummy but still:
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On June 10 2016 18:40 scott31337 wrote:
Tinfoil - Shapelog didn't mention about the rules about how a veteran loses his vest while being roleblocked in the OP (or does not?!?) - so the example is actually how he rolled the dice.


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On June 01 2016 07:48 Tubesock wrote:
On June 01 2016 05:08 Skynx wrote:
Yey, we need 1 more then i guess.
In other news, do vets die if they get shot while roleblocked?


They will die.


Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself.
He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument:

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On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote:
Please please someone claim cop...


Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow.


I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi


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On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote:
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On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:
On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.

Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.

That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny.

Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC.

I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town?
Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol
Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz.


They give me mixed feelings. The first one is clearly a defensive counter-attack against scott, which actually makes sense. The end refers to one of the posts I read as more suspect at the time, "Please please someone claim cop." At first I didn't understand why he wanted to seed more confusion into the situation, but I think I've figured out its true meaning: if someone claimed cop in order to CC Moosy, they would be just as dead as BtDt after BtDt flipped red. With this in mind, I don't think this post actually scared anyone into not claiming, and if Skynx was scum, he could have said something privately to the team in order to achieve the same goal without the potentially suspicious ploy.

I would rate his contributions to the discussion and exploration of leads to be on the lower side, but that is partially hampered by the fact that he hasn't been as consistently active as some and that his reads on the first two days were wrong. I had the same reads, so I have a hard time holding that against someone, but it still needs to be noted.


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On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses -
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


Although he read a scumteam at the end, I think that he did try to scratch nearly everyone's back by claiming nearly everyone town. However, he does bring that up in his post as well. Is that so that it would seem less suspicious, or is it honest acknowledgement of the fact that his reads are weak? WIFOM

On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.

Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch?


This seems kinda low-effort and this was posted after kush was lynched - why raise these worries now and not the day before, as he says fecal did? It seems like he is trying to give out town vibes with a post like this.

On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote:
Please please someone claim cop...


Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow.


Given my reasoning above @ Skynx, this seems almost like an overreaction, unless scott also misunderstood the post like I did first/didn't think it through. However, now I'm wondering why Skynx didn't post something trying to clarify it? Hm -_-;

On June 10 2016 19:12 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 10 2016 10:04 Tictock wrote:
Ok I said I was gunna hold off, but mulling things over I think I feel pretty good about Moosy's claim. As such I propose we have a very solid town circle of Moosy, Jealous, and myself (I think I can backup why I am town if I need to).

I also feel pretty good about Emp being town still.

So question to Moosy and Jealous. What do you guys think about Emp?

Assuming for a moment that he is town, who do you think the last townie is? (between Skynx, Scott and Super)

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This reminded me...
On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s



Personally I could actually see a team of BtDt, Skynx and Super/Scott.


So uhhhmmm,yeah -

This isn't much of a counter-argument but he does produce a point - why is TT throwing Super on a scum team when Super's analysis is the one that proved Moosy as cop and BtDt as a fake CC? Will be added to in my analysis of TT.

On June 11 2016 07:20 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 11 2016 06:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 11 2016 06:34 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be going out of town for the weekend, but I'll check in and such. I'm happy where my vote is.

you have to be happy or your scum lol. Who do you think are the remaining scum members?


Skynx would be at the top of my list.

The third one I'm quite unsure of though - I'd have to re-read filters and VCA.


Considering scott's previous post @Skynx, this seems to solidify to me that he either 1. really wants Skynx dead because scott is scum and sees a wagon forming, 2. completely misunderstood the implications of Skynx's post, or 3. I completely misunderstood Skynx's post and he never bothered to properly explain it anyway. This is a pretty tricky situation and I'd like some feedback on this from others, especially Scott/Skynx.

On June 13 2016 10:52 scott31337 wrote:
Confirmed dead

Final Vote Count: Day 1


QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx,Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewood
beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast
nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia, Fecalfeast
MoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethat
Jealous (1): QuickTwist
Skynx (0): Fecalfeast
Superbia (0): QuickTwist

Not Voting (1): blkcoffee

Final Vote Count Day 2




nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous
emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, Scott31337
Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains
beentheredonethat (0): Fecalfeast
Scott31337 (0): emperorchampion


Not-voting blkcoffee



Day 3 vote count




beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion
Superbia(0): Tictock
MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat

Not voting (0):

Now if I do 99-100% (Superbia only 99% for me, Jealous is 100%)

+ Show Spoiler [99%s] +

Final Vote Count: Day 1


QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx,Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewood
beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast
nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia, Fecalfeast
MoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethat
Jealous (1): QuickTwist
Skynx (0): Fecalfeast
Superbia (0): QuickTwist

Not Voting (1): blkcoffee

Final Vote Count Day 2




nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous
emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, Scott31337
Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains
beentheredonethat (0): Fecalfeast
Scott31337 (0): emperorchampion


Not-voting blkcoffee



Day 3 vote count




beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion
Superbia(0): Tictock
MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat

Not voting (0):


And I do Skynx mafia and me town

+ Show Spoiler [Skynx mafia me town] +

Final Vote Count: Day 1


QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx,Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewood
beentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeast
nnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia, Fecalfeast
MoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethat
Jealous (1): QuickTwist
Skynx (0): Fecalfeast
Superbia (0): QuickTwist

Not Voting (1): blkcoffee

Final Vote Count Day 2




nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous
emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, scott31337
Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountains
beentheredonethat (0): Fecalfeast
scott31337 (0): emperorchampion


Not-voting blkcoffee



Day 3 vote count




beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion
Superbia(0): Tictock
MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat

Not voting (0):


I need to re-read Tictock's d1 and if he voted on btdt legitimately or was a throw-away vote (that the lynch was already secured)


This post opened my eyes to something - Scott wagoned after me on EC on Day 2; I am 99% sure that this made it 4 votes to 4. Since kush flipped town, I think it is fair to say that scummy Scott wouldn't risk raising the votes on a scummy EC to the same count as kush's when there were still votes up in the air. So in terms of pairings for the remaining 2 scum, a Scott/EC pairing is relatively unlikely. Note 1.

On June 13 2016 11:05 scott31337 wrote:
Btdt/Skynx/EC?


Ugh, might need to revise this pair read. Note 2.


+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +
On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote:
Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads.

Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching.

Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read+ Show Spoiler +
For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads
but I feel fairly confident in it.

Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1.

blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something

There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now.


Spot-on reads. Maybe too spot-on?

On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:
Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version.

QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +
which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo
and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +
not openly giving my reads
. His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +
Sorry no time for examples
. Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list.

Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +
filters so early in the game?
to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off.

Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.

##Vote: QuickTwist

Targeting EC. Note 3.
On June 06 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:
Humm the weekend start is keeping this game pretty dry I see.

I might skim over the game again then since there isn't much new to read, and nothing in the past few pages has really swayed my opinion.

I'm trying to decide how I feel about Scott's slot. Was sorta thinking the way the replacement happened could mean scott's is town, but thats pretty WIFOM and I'm mostly just grasping at straws. Sqrt's opening game posts just felt chatty and not really AI (alignment indicative) but show that he was around and ready to play the first hour of the game. Scott's posts leave a little to be desired... and I'm not sure why he seems so concerned I don't have Jealous as a hard town read.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 05 2016 08:34 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote:
Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads.

Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching.

Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read+ Show Spoiler +
For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads
but I feel fairly confident in it.

Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1.

blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something

There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now.


hmmm no mention of Jealous here, and so far Jealous is my only townread hmmm


Which sure I haven't given any thoughts on Jealous besides
On June 04 2016 17:01 Tictock wrote:
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On June 04 2016 10:11 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 10:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
guys, sqrtneg1
he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup"
but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared.

Whereas you contributed what exactly?


This is a terrible post to townread someone by, but I def want to keep you around now.


I'm reserving my right to hold off giving a real read on him kus a few things have raised an eyebrow but I'm overall liking his posts.


Honestly scott just seems like a coinflip atm and I'm not feeling inclined to lynch him.

I'd like to know why people are keen to lynch him/his slot but nobody seems to be considering FF who arguably has done just as little.

Defending scott, targeting FF. Note 4.

On June 06 2016 03:22 Tictock wrote:
Skynx was brought up and I had some misgivings regarding his opening (was going to include him in my post yesturday but ran out of time).

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On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


I'm really not a fan of this opening because he's useing a one line rule to throw out very unfounded reads. There is also no indication that he is actually trying to apply the rule he's using here. "Town likes clarity" into "sounds towny" or "keeps things clean".

I really have a hard time understanding why Super would have been the most scummy based on the criteria of contentless posts as well.

This also bugged me
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On June 04 2016 08:47 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

He doesn't sound scummy (yet)


Really odd dodgy answer after he very clearly gave QT a townread in his open (or at least a lean).

I also find it pretty interesting how he refines his read of QT but his read on Super remains static.
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On June 04 2016 09:37 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost.


? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no?

What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about.
My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious.


Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads.
Less exciting now.


Typing on a phone is difficult apparently.

So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear?

Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake.
They both sound scummy.


Since I'm finding QT fairly scummy myself I tend to agree with Skynx's little case on him, but I'm also aware that a fair few of his points were just parroting what had been mentioned already.

I might be pretty fine with lynching Skynx today.




Disclaimer: This post was written over a much longer period of time than it should have. There has been a random bit of roommate drama over that past hour so I've been a little distracted while trying to put my thoughts together.

I'm gunna take a bit to resolve things then I'll do my little skim-over/catch-up and see how things feel as we are getting into EoD here.

On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
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On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Although he claims that this was written over a long time, I believe this is when the QT wagon was in full effect, so his targetting Skynx here might not be much of an indicator of anything, but I'll include it as Note 5.

On June 07 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote:
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On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s


I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order

Skynx
Scott
Someone Else
Someone Else
...
Super

Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us.


Note 6.

On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote:
Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible.

Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions).

BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me.

Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward.


Note 7.

On June 08 2016 05:38 Tictock wrote:
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On June 08 2016 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Where is kush.

TT who are never mafia for you?


I'd kinda like to get back to you on this.

But gut feeling?
Super
FF
Scott

and probably...
Emp
Blkcoffee


Note 8.

On June 09 2016 07:30 Tictock wrote:
Scott first and formost since he keeps referencing my first scumgame to justify his fear read of me.


Note 9.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=87#1724

I just really like this post.


+ Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] +
On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.

Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out.


Targets Skynx, note 11.

On June 06 2016 20:58 emperorchampion wrote:
Half-Life 3 confirmed tier (Release date: soon (tm))
- Tumble
- Moosy
- fecal
- ticktock

Null
- btdt
- scott
- blkcoffee

Cesar's Army
- kush
- super
- skynx

My feelings at the moment, will post more when at office.


Target Skynx and 2 townies, not a good look, Note 12.

On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Some thoughts on scum teams:
-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush
-TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon


Hmmmmmm

Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom



On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses -
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak.

- Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +

I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order):

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?

On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?


That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why?

I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.

What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team.

Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter

Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations.

On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip?


- I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think.


aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...

Defends Skynx and targets Scott. Note 13.

On June 09 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I would like scott to show up and give his reasoning on reading Tictock as scum, I found it very nebulous. So many afks :/

At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean.



Softly defends TT, targets Scott. Note 14.

On June 09 2016 02:13 emperorchampion wrote:
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On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.

Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch?


Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock?


Note 15.

On June 09 2016 04:09 emperorchampion wrote:
Voting scott, want him to answer some questions!


Note 16.

On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote:
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On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor


Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no?


Note 17.

On June 09 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:
idk, I'm so suspicous of both scott and kush

I just realized that kush was the first to post
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On June 06 2016 11:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:
I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though


On June 06 2016 05:20 scott31337 wrote:
Alright I finally got it I'm town

I kept thinking if I was mafia with QT and had already voted for him it'd be really bad lol


oh god this is so townie unfortunately.


Which was sheeped by pretty much everyone with basically no explanation.

Scum reads all heavily favoured towns (well aparently I don't fall into that category LOL)
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On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shitlist
Ec
Tt
Tw
Ff


This is fairly towny I suppose, but maybe pushing his own logic

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On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind

But how would that make sense for a scum strategy?

The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town.

This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo.

You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam.

Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out.


Otherwise I don't find much in his filter. I think these are the posts with the most content, and I don't really see what he's pushing for here. A lot of blank reads with no justification.


Note 18.

On June 10 2016 09:12 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm ready to throw my caution to the wind atm. I honestly only trust super, and I have a feeling that jealous/moosy/scott could be maf.

Tictock seems to be making a lot of sense right now. Moosy's claim seems pretty genuine, but I don't want to give too much benefit to the first claim.


Note 19.

On June 13 2016 08:20 emperorchampion wrote:
Sooo it doesn't look like anyone else is here atm, I think I'm out after this for the night


Here's my scum power ranking:
-Skynx
-Scott
-Tictock

Half-Life 3 Confirmed List:
-Jealsus
-Super


Note 20.


So, going through these made me think of the situation this way: scum pairings. I didn't quote some of Skynx's posts that would apply to this list because I only had the thought while reading scott but they are in his filter. Let's look at the possibilities, if we take defense/scumread at face value. The note numbers are largely in sequential order with how I found them if you read the above spoilers from top to bottom

Scott / EC = Not likely as per Note 1 under my Scott analysis, although later he does suggest him in Note 2. EC does target Scott to some degree in Note 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18,

Scott / Skynx = Not likely because Scott has been scumreading Skynx into the lategame.

Scott / TT = Possible, has been defending him. Note 4 vice-versa. However, TT turns it around in Note 6, Note 8, Note 9. Scott right now has his vote to TT in a relatively high-stakes situation so I don't think it's likely he would take that risk, but he could shennanie.

EC / Skynx = Possible, Skynx posted a fair amount of stuff townreading EC in the early stages of the game. However, EC targets Skynx in Note 11, 12. Then defends him again in Note 13? However, goes back to putting him at top of the list in Note 20.

EC / TT = Note 3; TT against EC. Note 7. Note 8. Note 10. EC softly defends TT in Note 14, 15. Again in 19.

TT / Skynx = I find this one highly unlikely because Skynx spent a lot of posts questioning TT and questioning other people's reads of TT as town. Skynx also defends BtDT as "not a big target," even does it as a separate post after-thought. Note 5 had TT scumreading Skynx. Note 6.

I need to see this post in post form before I can form further analysis.

Mafia is unlikely to win this with 2 members left, they obv have to target each other today to not giveaway anything. Also his sudden switch of votes you questioned, I don't see how can you assign these two as unlikely.
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#1982
Right, time to read emperor.
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#1983
So here's an activity pattern

D1: tr QT > sr Jealous > soft sr Tumble > sr me > tr Super & TT. Votes QT. General shitposting, focuses on QT/Jealous/Tumble trio. People are highly tr'ing him.

N1: posts a list: TW
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#1984
ah shit misclick I'm building up on the post hold on
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#1985
On June 14 2016 23:03 Skynx wrote:
So here's an activity pattern

D1: tr QT > sr Jealous > soft sr Tumble > sr me > tr Super & TT. Votes QT. General shitposting, focuses on QT/Jealous/Tumble trio. People are highly tr'ing him.

N1: posts a list: TW

N1: posts a list: TW, Moosy, FF, TT=town ; btdt, Scott, blk=null ; me, kush, super=scum. This was a serious list. Some beef with Super.

D2: Heavy beef with Moosy > tr Super > questions Scott for his TT read () > sr scott & kush > Votes Scott out of policy > heavy train forms on him (Moosy, FF, Jeal, Scott) > Votes kush. General shitposting, questions for everyone. Main focus on kush & Scott.

N2: Not much, questions blueclaim strategy of Super.

D3: solidifies tr on Super > sr Jeal/Moosy/Scott > slight tr on TT > doesn't jump straight in Moosy's claim > Agrees on claim after btdt screwup > Votes btdt. Same post style with questions and shitposts. Credited by Moosy.

N3: posts list: me, Scott, TT=scum , Jeal, Super=town. Ranks TT less scummy than me&Scott > questions Scott posts. More serious posts.

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#1986
So he has this very laid back style for which most people gave town credit very early on and he's happy about it. Once pressure builds up he now has a very different style.

I'm liking the fact that he pushes his questions over and over until he gets a reply, I'd think scum would just leave stuff hanging but this might be just very carefull play to not leave any traces.

So he gets heavy accusations D2 (mostly out of his Jeal/QT/Tumble trio reads) and he's very calm about it. He doesn't really defend himself in any way and votes kush to save himself, also pointing out that the case on me is now kinda forgotten. As he abandons his Scott vote, his case becomes less powerfull.
So today, he's forced into this situation where he has now no town credit because he had no previous btdt reads. He has to vote for others as previous occasions to save himself but there is still no coherent case on anybody or a solid defence on himself.
Instinctively I don't think he can be scumteam with Scott because their beef goes long way. He defended TT against some people earlier on. He is scumreading me for a long time now but again no case.
All that being said, if he is scum, he'd surely bring up some solid argument against me by now as many people are assigning me and him as scum team for a while now.

Final thoughts: He absolutely has to defend himself right now. I don't feel he's town anymore but he is less scum than Scott & TT imo. I don't want to vote for him yet, but I will have to shennanie in case of no defence. If he flips scum, TT is final mafia and we win.
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#1987
Don't all rush in at once guys
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#1988
Anyway, I'll be checking on phone. There has to be reasonable shennanies tonight. Holding my vote on Scott for now, he's still most scummy to me.
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#2029
On June 15 2016 02:45 Superbia wrote:
If you're town pls come into the thread now (whoever).

I'm town, are we lynching emperor?
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#2030
On June 15 2016 02:12 Superbia wrote:
I was seriously ready to call it scott/skynx but then TT had to play out this hot garbage world which either makes him shit town or WIFOM mafia.

Scott/TT or TT/EC?
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#2031
On June 15 2016 02:25 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 02:15 Superbia wrote:
The reason I feel EC is town is because essentially all possible scum on the kush train got their vote in early&safe with a non-reason. He was the easier push so mafia probably didn't give a shit about the lynch either way.

One day two, the votes were tied 4/3 Kush/EC after I voted. Next to vote was Scott, who made it 4/4. That is when EC switched to kush to make it 5/4, which potentially means nothing because it could be him saving his hide, or it could mean everything if he is scum and both remaining scum had already voted for kush so scum had no more votes to swing on. At that time, kush still hadn't switched his vote to EC to make it 5/5 and blkcoffee was still a variable that could have presented itself.

That's why I strongly believe that between EC/Skynx/TT we will find our last two scum, but out of those 3 the most evident are EC/Skynx.

Skynx has provided a lot of content these past few pages, which is nice, but while reading it almost felt like he was reaching for a dreamworld of some sort, like building a card castle to the moon. Also, it was relatively uncharacteristic of his prior posting habits. It's nice to see him make a late push like this and I will relook it before I leave for class.

Lol which part makes you feel that? Anyway I tried to stay consistent but I'm busy during the day.

Why is Scott not mafia?
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#2032
I'm playing dota btw I check here between games.
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#2038
On June 15 2016 04:12 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 04:04 Skynx wrote:
On June 15 2016 02:25 Jealous wrote:
On June 15 2016 02:15 Superbia wrote:
The reason I feel EC is town is because essentially all possible scum on the kush train got their vote in early&safe with a non-reason. He was the easier push so mafia probably didn't give a shit about the lynch either way.

One day two, the votes were tied 4/3 Kush/EC after I voted. Next to vote was Scott, who made it 4/4. That is when EC switched to kush to make it 5/4, which potentially means nothing because it could be him saving his hide, or it could mean everything if he is scum and both remaining scum had already voted for kush so scum had no more votes to swing on. At that time, kush still hadn't switched his vote to EC to make it 5/5 and blkcoffee was still a variable that could have presented itself.

That's why I strongly believe that between EC/Skynx/TT we will find our last two scum, but out of those 3 the most evident are EC/Skynx.

Skynx has provided a lot of content these past few pages, which is nice, but while reading it almost felt like he was reaching for a dreamworld of some sort, like building a card castle to the moon. Also, it was relatively uncharacteristic of his prior posting habits. It's nice to see him make a late push like this and I will relook it before I leave for class.

Lol which part makes you feel that? Anyway I tried to stay consistent but I'm busy during the day.

Why is Scott not mafia?

I feel that way partially because you're painting TT as scum and I don't think he is. I follow your logic on TT's posting habits but I don't agree with it.

You seem to agree with an EC/TT team, so vote EC.

You could just say you disagree with my opinion and which part of it rather than me reaching a dreamworld.
I am voting now he's here.
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#2058
Im around whatsup
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#2073
On June 15 2016 07:13 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 07:11 Skynx wrote:
Im around whatsup


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.


What happened to this? Why is emperor now more scummy than TT? That's a big turn around.

Emperor is scum for lack of defence, dropping reads on Scott D3. Kinda similar to how Scott completely switched from voting to you then dropping it after btdt became inevitable.
I actually can't decide who is more scummy between those 3.
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#2077
On June 15 2016 07:25 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 07:24 Skynx wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:13 Superbia wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:11 Skynx wrote:
Im around whatsup


On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.


What happened to this? Why is emperor now more scummy than TT? That's a big turn around.

Emperor is scum for lack of defence, dropping reads on Scott D3. Kinda similar to how Scott completely switched from voting to you then dropping it after btdt became inevitable.
I actually can't decide who is more scummy between those 3.


How does this actually make him scum?

Thats just a brief resume, go back 3 pages man.
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#2085
On June 15 2016 07:27 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 07:26 Skynx wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:25 Superbia wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:24 Skynx wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:13 Superbia wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:11 Skynx wrote:
Im around whatsup


On June 07 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
My T>S meter

Most Town
emperor: reads on everything, has his own opinion, insightul for a non-vet, generally active
Jealous: Prolly most active, no way he's a good target after QT.

[orange]Midway[/orange[
Super: 9 pages filter wtf, mostly one liners, sr's me without basis, bandwagony.
Scott: There is the whole didn't get my role pm thing, inactive otherwise

Scummy
Ticktock: Pressures me D1, changes opinion just before lynch, useless arguing about shennanie which leads to nothing, very vague reads on last few posts. In the end, try-hard to not take any pressure on himself.
kush: Acts like this godly figure over the whole game but actual contributions are very small. Mostly arguing with everyone about how QT was bad lynch, teaching Jealous how to play mafia, tryin to find town leader. Gives no clear reads, mostly commenting on others reads. Again professional at acting natural and avoiding pressure.


Null:
Moosy is unreadable do to the nature of his posts
btdt with some good some bad posts but kinda inactive, I can't rly read him
blk is gone.


What happened to this? Why is emperor now more scummy than TT? That's a big turn around.

Emperor is scum for lack of defence, dropping reads on Scott D3. Kinda similar to how Scott completely switched from voting to you then dropping it after btdt became inevitable.
I actually can't decide who is more scummy between those 3.


How does this actually make him scum?

Thats just a brief resume, go back 3 pages man.


How do you feel about the fact that his team mate must've voted him?

Its gona be same with btdt vote, if we don't do something about it no information will come out of it.
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#2092
Its all on Jealous if TT is actually not lurking, im down for Scott
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#2106
Super whats going on
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#2121
Are we on about TT?
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#2145
On June 15 2016 07:45 emperorchampion wrote:
Where did skynx go?

Im here man, just thinking
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#2153
Who's next if he's scum thats the problem
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#2166
Fuck it. Que sera, sera.
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#2173
On June 15 2016 07:53 emperorchampion wrote:
fine we won boys!

Man you never win; if u town this is gg right now. If u scum the team is on its last leg.

Well, i'm convinced now.
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#2183
On June 15 2016 07:57 Jealous wrote:
Just gonna say this pre-emptively: if Superbia is scum, it is the play of the game, and TT's read is the read of all time. That is all.

Then why did he not pursue it? We've been through this man.
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#2189
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#2205
The dream is alive.
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#2209
TT is confirmed for me. So much for tonight.
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#2231
On June 15 2016 11:16 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
Final Day 4 vote count




emperorchampion(4): Jealous, Scott31337, Tictock, Skynx
Scott31337(0): Skynx, Emperorchampion
Tictock(1) Jealous, Superbia, Emperorchampion
Skynx(1): Scott31337, Emperorchampion



Err actually I'm wrong. If super is town and one of scott or skynx switched (along with Emp ofc) it would only tie things up and Emp still gets lynched.

Emp's votes here are probably WIFOM but man did he flail hard. It's kinda interesting that he didn't join Super on me in an effort to save himself.

Man why you're answering yourself?
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#2232
On June 15 2016 16:36 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 11:26 Tictock wrote:
On June 15 2016 07:52 Superbia wrote:
Idk EC. Tbf the closer this is getting to EoD the more likely I think it is you are scum. x;


This is such a shit post right before EoD.

Spent the whole time trying to get people to move to Scott and then me, then right before the flip "oh, yea I guess you could be scum"


How does any of this make me scum?

Your storyline is that I bus my team mate during mylo d1 super super hard and then hard defend my other team mate during mylo 2 super super hard. How does this fit the narrative for me as scum?

Also I could've switched to scott (both skynx and EC were willing to vote), but didn't. What is my scum agenda TT?

You don't have to defend yourself here, Scott was never getting lynched cuz TT was absent.
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#2233
On June 15 2016 14:55 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 14:30 scott31337 wrote:
On June 15 2016 08:22 Jealous wrote:
On June 15 2016 08:19 Superbia wrote:
You do realize that if people had actually suddenly switched I probably would've voted back on EC?

I have questions but I'd rather see how Scott responds first.

Scott if you dodge this scenario in the next 24 hours I will raise hell.


Could you be more specific?

Tbh I am drunk so idk what I was thinking but it makes no sense to me right now so disregard this atm.


What did you actually mean by that? It wouldn't make sense holding anything back from your point of view cuz you're confirmed town and prolly dead in couple of hours so try to explain your thought process please.
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#2251
On June 16 2016 15:38 Superbia wrote:
@work
Skynx, please explain your thought rationale behind "being tactically afk" during EoD2.

You mean after EoD1. I was travelling N1 and didn't have internet on EoD2.
I don't know how we keep coming back to this. Pages 51-52 was mega active in terms of reads, list posts, questionnaires and I was the main target of accusations cuz of mislynch on QT.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 13:11 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 13:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On June 06 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shitlist
Ec
Tt
Tw
Ff

wow that is shit
all of those people are town

Dude ibbet tt or ec is scum tho

gonna have to convince me because I'm not really seeing it
either way we're lynching skynx tomorrow (or maybe you or scott... definitely neither of emperor or tt though)


+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 13:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Sorry ff isn't scummy.
Hmmm this dude skanks tho...
Seems really unatural how hedges his read at the end when he acted so sure for the rest of the post.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 20:53 Skynx wrote:
Good morning people! Not having much else to do I actually went through 3 pages of solid spam. I then also went to read QT filter:
1: Contentless town reads
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:45 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:41 Tumblewood wrote:
ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive


I think this is a townie response.

Including this one he made some town reads based on absolutely nothing, First 3 were kinda trying to get the game going but they don't benefit town as if you don't have some case on why someone is town why just claim them town, you're just promoting confusion.

2: Memes & one liners
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 09:46 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:44 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:39 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
[quote]

This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.


[image loading]

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.


you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.


yeah, and really really super obvious as well.

Knowing nothing about you or your play style and only judging from the content that you present, it's logical to use Ockham's razor and go with the most obvious explanation. You continue to dodge post after post, question after question, and only cast doubt upon the analysis of others by trying to debase them without any substance whatsoever.


You know what I think? I think you should hold off your judgement until you DO know my playstyle.

Or maybe you can answer some questions and show your play style through analysis and not through mindless macros and unsubstantiated claims.


[image loading]

This doesn't add anything to the conversation and he seems to like it as a cheap way of not elaborating things further. His filter page3 reeks of just memes and one liners. These are just useless spam.

3: Ignoring valid posts that are making sense
So tumble posted this about the spam
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On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:
hi kush
On June 04 2016 10:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1.

okay with plynches but not for that reason. in newbie games mafia is lynched almost never on d1 so I'd rather take my chances on someone who won't contribute than someone who might turn out to be a helpful townie

His response:
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On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote:
##Vote: Tumblewood

I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?

As town, why would you wanna lynch someone is trying to make sense, if you're serious that is.

4: Diverting attention by linking old stuff
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 13:18 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Jealous which between myself and quicky is more suspicious?


What is the point to this question?


Sup, can you answer this question now?

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On June 04 2016 13:23 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

50/50 like for reading and applying Incognito's guide / dislike for maybe (?) hiding behind Incognito's guide instead of speaking for yourself
also Incognito's guide is pretty old and now there are a lot of players that spam as both alignments


Link to guid?

These are where he understands he's not making a lot of sense so lets bring up old arguments and create some diversion. Super wasn't serious and you should've read the guide already, these are irrelevant to the discussion where people actually started to scumread him.

Please enlighten me if you think he has made 1 usefull/towny post. Even if you think he might be town, these constant flow of useless posts are last thing we need and lynching him would benefit town more than plynching an afk for now, i don't think he will make positive contributions later on.

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On June 04 2016 12:18 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be living tomorrow.



##Vote: QuickTwist




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On June 06 2016 13:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 06 2016 12:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Night moosey. Feel free to start finding scum any time now.

good night !!

I'm tempted to call you mafia for seeming to know quicktwist's alignment so well and it would make complete sense for you and jealous to be teammates but I'm not 100% sure on that read. Aaaand you're calling Skynx mafia which is one of my reads. hmph

tumblew00d, beeentheeereeedoneeethat seem town. and shitfeast. oh and some tickitytock. i do like coffee too so i'm going with bikcafé.

no idea about scotterino31337. he was town but that was be4 he got his role. there's superbia who i really really really really really really really really really really really really really want to kill but he looks town.

which leaves me with emperorchAmpi0n, skankyskynx as scum.

oh and you and jealous are in a weird spot for me. :D It's the special place in my heart where everyone too scummy to be town and too townie to be blue are in.

one thing i know for certain is that i'm not going to die tonight since i'm the mafia goon and i'm dealing out the kp this night. ALso i'm doctor so i'm gonna protect skynx. aaaand as veteran i have another life so i'm completely oK for this night.



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On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.

It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.

As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:

Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy

Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.

I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.

My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.



Now I found that very interesting as why would everyone all of a sudden became so active in a period where mafia has all the power. In my opinion one of these had to be scum due to the fact that they were fairly inactive D1 and now trying to get a wagon going on on me in a period where they can't even vote.
I was basically drawing conclusions that can lead me to post reads in D2 where I can actually vote.
So imo Tumble was town because he already tried to shift the shennanie towards me. Moosy was unreadable and btdt post was bollocks in terms of reads. That led me to vote kush.

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 16 2016 18:42 GMT
#2252
I will post some final thoughts on everyone soon, possibly just 1 today cuz I'm actually so tired.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 16 2016 20:39 GMT
#2254
I actually closed my 3 day analysis draft fml I'll re-write it early tomorrow so US guys have plenty of time to read...
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 17 2016 07:55 GMT
#2280
Tictock man why did you fake pressure Super, just to bait me?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 17 2016 08:09 GMT
#2281
Don't worry guys i ##concede.
I was feeling like doodling around with mega filter digs yesterday but I'll be quite busy today until the evening. I don't think i can recover from here anyway, I didn't even expect to survive D3.

Shoutout to Relsjwa. WP everyone, sry for early gg
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 17 2016 09:11 GMT
#2291
Yeah Moosy check won the game imo. We framed emp and I was supposed to die D3. We were between FF & Moosy for the active blue role :/
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 17 2016 13:40 GMT
#2321
On June 17 2016 21:56 Jealous wrote:
From the mafia QT, quoting Skynx after D1:

"Moosy, super n jealous are nonfactors."

I have great respect for Moosy and Super for crafting this image when in the end they proved to be two of the most pivotal town players. No shame on you Skynx, D1/2 were mad confusing, it felt like the wild wild West. But to have these two players come out in force in D3 and be "non-factors" in D2 is just so pro.

no disrespect here
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 17 2016 14:21 GMT
#2323
Some stuff from my pm's since these would be in qt anyway. If anyone interested

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Original Message From Rels:
Gl hf
What tt is doing is townie and if you have the time to commit to it you should do it too: go through every filter of the people still living and point out things you find of note,t townie or scummy. Then decide your lynch target based of it

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Original Message From Skynx:
I'm gona go for the safe option. Fingers crossed

Original Message From Rels:
As you prefer!
The Superbia's point is good. You shouldn't attack Superbia with that point though if you don't intend to push him. You can ask him about his thought process though, that is townie. You can always keep it in your pocket and pull it out if you decide to push him.

Original Message From Skynx:
Yeah, i know its super ballsy. I have to think about it. My pow now is that if I kill Jealous, Scott will 100% vote for me and me pushing TT wont do anything cuz even if I get superbia on my side its still 2-2.
If I kill TT his claims on Super will get some credit but i don't know if that will make Jeal/Scott rethink. They have to believe I'm not ballsy enough to get rid of my only credible opponent.

Another thought, should i mention that super's shennanies dont mean anything as we'd need 1 more to switch from emp? He said he'd switch back to emp if me n emp jumped on Scott which is stupid because we still can't kill him.

Original Message From Rels:
Now your idea has some merits, but you have to be pretty damn sure it will work to kill TT over a confirmed town. Killing a confirmed town means more chance to win mathematically, cause people has more chance to be wrong, as shown by TT pushing Superbia right now. Killing TT for the WIFOM is a big risk.

Original Message From Skynx:
Alright, I think there is only 2 plays left:

Conventional play: Where i kill Jealous in the night and try to fight a cause for TT.
Curveball play: Where i push for TT as last scum during the night cuz EC/Scott is not possible then kill TT.
I'm thinking more and more towards second one cuz normal play would not cut it from now on imo. What happens if i get a mislynch and its 1 on 1 on final day?
Original Message From Rels:
So it has come to the final showdown! Be strong and ask any question you have ^^
Any idea about who to kill ? Jaleous is the obvious one but what are your thoughts ?


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Original Message From emperorchampion:
Good game man, GL for the rest!

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Original Message From Skynx:
Hehe this is on the edge i must admit, its a very fine line

Original Message From emperorchampion:
Be careful not to get baited into revealing as mafia!

Original Message From Skynx:
Cheers for the update! I feel like just playing with the feels from now on. Maybe i can dig a bit more trying to convince Jealous but its beyond that i think.

You gona be around for shennanies?

Original Message From emperorchampion:
Grats on the last few posts! I'm trying to cook up something, hopefully the lynch will go off on me leaving you more free to choose the kill (also i think you have more persuasive power / better posting).

Here is some advice from Rels regarding the last few days (a little late now):

man I realized I forgot to write the post I said I would do ...
Basically, don't do too much right now. You would waste some effort because the towncred acquired by effort is quickly lost if you don't do much after that. Just push & vote Skynx while making a few posts.
The most important thing is to talk with other people. I saw you did that a little already, it's good. Just talk to scott / Jaelous / TT when they do a post to talk about it like you did these last few pages.
As soon as the next night starts (or next day if you don't feel you can be super active for 3 deays in a row) you should try to become super active to "find" the last scum and gain a lot of towncred in the process. A newbie being active is always a towntell because playing scum is hard.

If you can reread the game during D5 and show it by quoting posts and bullshitting how they make scott or TT scum it would be great but I dunno if you have that kind of time to "waste" on doing that

Original Message From Skynx:
Nice. Well, Moosy was incredibly lucky he didn't check you, we're unlucky we didn't kill him last night too. :p
Cu tomorrow!

Original Message From emperorchampion:
Yeah, I have a feeling that they are fake reading me though to draw out confidence. But we shall see, I haven't been too disappointed by the town so far

I submitted to rb/kill moosy tonight.

Original Message From Skynx:
3/5 town reads you. You will get one of Scott/TT D5 and we win, I'm dead tomorrow

Original Message From emperorchampion:
Yeah I think we have to leave Jealous unfortunately, unless I get lynched next day, in which case you could kill him maybe.

Original Message From Skynx:
Yeh I get what you mean. If we plan on leaving Jealous alive, which we should, we won't b needing my RB anymore so yeah I don't mind killing Moosy.

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"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 19 2016 17:49 GMT
#2342
I don't think a lot of people were convinced QT was scum but people were too late to jump off the train
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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