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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:16 GMT
#1161
He reads QuickTwist as town, throws shade on Jealous, and then comes back to thread to vote QuickTwist.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
June 07 2016 15:16 GMT
#1162
Brb.
Minimal effort.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 07 2016 15:18 GMT
#1163
On June 08 2016 00:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
He reads QuickTwist as town, throws shade on Jealous, and then comes back to thread to vote QuickTwist.

I see what you mean. I like you moose
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:19 GMT
#1164
Hmm pretty convienient you left out this post:

On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.


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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:20 GMT
#1165
On June 08 2016 00:19 emperorchampion wrote:
Hmm pretty convienient you left out this post:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.



That post gives absolutely no reasoning as to why you voted QuickTwist when you came back. What brought about the abrupt read change?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:22 GMT
#1166
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:22 GMT
#1167
Well RIP that.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 07 2016 15:23 GMT
#1168
Why suddenly change your post style Moosy?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:23 GMT
#1169
@Shapelog, can you update the player list at the start of the game to give deaths. TicTock's filter link is also broken.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:24 GMT
#1170
On June 08 2016 00:23 Skynx wrote:
Why suddenly change your post style Moosy?

I normally buckle down by N1/D2 after the D1 trolling euphoria dies out.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:25 GMT
#1171
On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:26 GMT
#1172
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:26 GMT
#1173
So did you only read the first half of my filter, or do you have blinders on?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:27 GMT
#1174
On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
So did you only read the first half of my filter, or do you have blinders on?

No, I'm fairly certain I read all 3 pages.

On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?

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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:29 GMT
#1175
On June 06 2016 22:45 emperorchampion wrote:
That's pretty crazy actually, I had a read on jealous since the QT-pie incident started. But do you reeaaallly think he could be maf? If so that's some game winning stuff right there for sure.

Looking back on it, think how bat shit crazy it would be to start a 10 page argument then post a 10000 word essay on everything.

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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:32 GMT
#1176
Congrats on reaching 4 pages on your filter now.


On June 08 2016 00:29 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 22:45 emperorchampion wrote:
That's pretty crazy actually, I had a read on jealous since the QT-pie incident started. But do you reeaaallly think he could be maf? If so that's some game winning stuff right there for sure.

Looking back on it, think how bat shit crazy it would be to start a 10 page argument then post a 10000 word essay on everything.


On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.


I'm presuming kush is Mafia based on the reasoning above? Looks like you also read Superbia and Skynx as mafia. Care to explain the Skynx read?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:36 GMT
#1177
On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel

I'm also still not quite convinced by this. Tumble was protecting QuickTwist, saying he's a newbie town. At the same time we saw kush protecting Jealous, calling him a newbie town. Why did you think Tumble and QuickTwist were a possible Mafia team and not kush/Jealous?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:40 GMT
#1178
Merci! crazy to see you flip this way!

I think super's filter is "empty" as well (obv not in terms of pages), I think he's pretty sketchy. Given who I think is town, it's left down to him as mafia. One issue is that there are a number of wildcards, aka blkcoffee and scott who I have no idea what they could be due to the fact that they haven't really posted anything. So for now super fill this slot.

Skynx I would have to look more thoroughly through his filter for specific examples, but I never got the sense that his posts were genuine.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 07 2016 15:41 GMT
#1179
What makes it more strange is that you seemed to like Tumble over kush but ended up thinking Tumble/QuickTwist were Mafia over the other possibility.


On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:
I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through).

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +
jealous
= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist


If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?

That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read.

What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous.


This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.


[image loading]

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.


you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.

the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection.


Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here:

On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts]


To which is commented:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels"


So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it:
1) He is protecting QT-pie
2) He's calling a bad play a bad play

From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder:

On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +
jealous
= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist


If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?


I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this.

Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess.


Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool.


No.

what
but why
it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them


On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.

He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.

For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today.

his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended


On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.


In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it?

Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1).

Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment"


So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.


This post makes me raaather suspicious. Town read on QuickTwist, town lean on Tumble, slight scum read on Jealous. Then Tumble protects QuickTwist, kush protects Jealous and you voted QuickTwist off of the reasoning that Tumble and QuickTwist were a possible Mafia team.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 07 2016 15:43 GMT
#1180
Tumble went from "6/10 would lynch" to saying, actually maybe I won't, I think that's what I found most suspicious
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