On June 14 2016 16:17 Jealous wrote:Ok so I did some digging, and here are my thoughts on the four current candidates: + Show Spoiler [Skynx] +I went into this expecting his posts to be more scummy than they were. There were maybe 3 or 4 suspect posts, but these two: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote:So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town. Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while. So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts: Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind  I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. Show nested quote +2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye? lol the irony Show nested quote +1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion. He doesn't really pushes his questions either: Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 02:57 scott31337 wrote:
So tumble is dead.
Super looks more interested in the game, and so does moosy.
Tictock who are your three scum right now?
I've skimmed the thread, at a worksite right now but I shall return.
Not entirely scummy but still: Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 18:40 scott31337 wrote:
Tinfoil - Shapelog didn't mention about the rules about how a veteran loses his vest while being roleblocked in the OP (or does not?!?) - so the example is actually how he rolled the dice. Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 07:48 Tubesock wrote:On June 01 2016 05:08 Skynx wrote:
Yey, we need 1 more then i guess.
In other news, do vets die if they get shot while roleblocked? They will die. Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself. He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument: Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote:
Please please someone claim cop... Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow. I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.
Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.
That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. They give me mixed feelings. The first one is clearly a defensive counter-attack against scott, which actually makes sense. The end refers to one of the posts I read as more suspect at the time, "Please please someone claim cop." At first I didn't understand why he wanted to seed more confusion into the situation, but I think I've figured out its true meaning: if someone claimed cop in order to CC Moosy, they would be just as dead as BtDt after BtDt flipped red. With this in mind, I don't think this post actually scared anyone into not claiming, and if Skynx was scum, he could have said something privately to the team in order to achieve the same goal without the potentially suspicious ploy. I would rate his contributions to the discussion and exploration of leads to be on the lower side, but that is partially hampered by the fact that he hasn't been as consistently active as some and that his reads on the first two days were wrong. I had the same reads, so I have a hard time holding that against someone, but it still needs to be noted. On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. Although he read a scumteam at the end, I think that he did try to scratch nearly everyone's back by claiming nearly everyone town. However, he does bring that up in his post as well. Is that so that it would seem less suspicious, or is it honest acknowledgement of the fact that his reads are weak? WIFOM On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.
Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch? This seems kinda low-effort and this was posted after kush was lynched - why raise these worries now and not the day before, as he says fecal did? It seems like he is trying to give out town vibes with a post like this. On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow. Given my reasoning above @ Skynx, this seems almost like an overreaction, unless scott also misunderstood the post like I did first/didn't think it through. However, now I'm wondering why Skynx didn't post something trying to clarify it? Hm -_-; On June 10 2016 19:12 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 10:04 Tictock wrote:Ok I said I was gunna hold off, but mulling things over I think I feel pretty good about Moosy's claim. As such I propose we have a very solid town circle of Moosy, Jealous, and myself (I think I can backup why I am town if I need to). I also feel pretty good about Emp being town still. So question to Moosy and Jealous. What do you guys think about Emp? Assuming for a moment that he is town, who do you think the last townie is? (between Skynx, Scott and Super) + Show Spoiler [Irony] +This reminded me... On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s Personally I could actually see a team of BtDt, Skynx and Super/Scott. So uhhhmmm,yeah - This isn't much of a counter-argument but he does produce a point - why is TT throwing Super on a scum team when Super's analysis is the one that proved Moosy as cop and BtDt as a fake CC? Will be added to in my analysis of TT. On June 11 2016 07:20 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 11 2016 06:34 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be going out of town for the weekend, but I'll check in and such. I'm happy where my vote is. you have to be happy or your scum lol. Who do you think are the remaining scum members? Skynx would be at the top of my list. The third one I'm quite unsure of though - I'd have to re-read filters and VCA. Considering scott's previous post @Skynx, this seems to solidify to me that he either 1. really wants Skynx dead because scott is scum and sees a wagon forming, 2. completely misunderstood the implications of Skynx's post, or 3. I completely misunderstood Skynx's post and he never bothered to properly explain it anyway. This is a pretty tricky situation and I'd like some feedback on this from others, especially Scott/Skynx. On June 13 2016 10:52 scott31337 wrote:Confirmed dead Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx, Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewoodbeentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeastnnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia , FecalfeastMoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethatJealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): FecalfeastSuperbia (0): QuickTwistNot Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2
nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealous emporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, Scott31337 Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountainsbeentheredonethat (0): FecalfeastScott31337 (0): emperorchampionNot-voting blkcoffee
Day 3 vote count
beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): TictockMoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethatNot voting (0): Now if I do 99-100% (Superbia only 99% for me, Jealous is 100%) + Show Spoiler [99%s] + Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx, Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewoodbeentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeastnnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia, FecalfeastMoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethatJealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): FecalfeastSuperbia (0): QuickTwistNot Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2
nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealousemporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, Scott31337 Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountainsbeentheredonethat (0): FecalfeastScott31337 (0): emperorchampionNot-voting blkcoffee
Day 3 vote count
beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): TictockMoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethatNot voting (0): And I do Skynx mafia and me town + Show Spoiler [Skynx mafia me town] + Final Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (5): MoosyDoosy, Jealous, Skynx, Tictock, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy scott31337 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, Tumblewoodbeentheredonethat (2): Tictock, Fecalfeastnnn_thekushmountains (1): Superbia, FecalfeastMoosyDoosy (1): Superbia, beentheredonethatJealous (1): QuickTwist Skynx (0): FecalfeastSuperbia (0): QuickTwistNot Voting (1): blkcoffee Final Vote Count Day 2
nnn_thekushmountains (6): Superbia, Skynx, Tictock, beentheredonethat, emperorchampion, Jealousemporerchampion (3): MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, Jealous, scott31337Skynx (1): nnn_thekushmountainsbeentheredonethat (0): Fecalfeastscott31337 (0): emperorchampionNot-voting blkcoffee
Day 3 vote count
beentheredonethat (7): MoosyDoosy, Superbia, scott31337. Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): TictockMoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethatNot voting (0): I need to re-read Tictock's d1 and if he voted on btdt legitimately or was a throw-away vote (that the lynch was already secured) This post opened my eyes to something - Scott wagoned after me on EC on Day 2; I am 99% sure that this made it 4 votes to 4. Since kush flipped town, I think it is fair to say that scummy Scott wouldn't risk raising the votes on a scummy EC to the same count as kush's when there were still votes up in the air. So in terms of pairings for the remaining 2 scum, a Scott/EC pairing is relatively unlikely. Note 1. On June 13 2016 11:05 scott31337 wrote:
Btdt/Skynx/EC? Ugh, might need to revise this pair read. Note 2. On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote:Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads. Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching. Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read + Show Spoiler +For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads but I feel fairly confident in it. Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1. blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now. Spot-on reads. Maybe too spot-on? On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +not openly giving my reads . His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +Sorry no time for examples . Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list. Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game? to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off. Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist Targeting EC. Note 3. On June 06 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:Humm the weekend start is keeping this game pretty dry I see. I might skim over the game again then since there isn't much new to read, and nothing in the past few pages has really swayed my opinion. I'm trying to decide how I feel about Scott's slot. Was sorta thinking the way the replacement happened could mean scott's is town, but thats pretty WIFOM and I'm mostly just grasping at straws. Sqrt's opening game posts just felt chatty and not really AI (alignment indicative) but show that he was around and ready to play the first hour of the game. Scott's posts leave a little to be desired... and I'm not sure why he seems so concerned I don't have Jealous as a hard town read. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2016 08:34 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote:Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads. Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching. Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read + Show Spoiler +For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads but I feel fairly confident in it. Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1. blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now. hmmm no mention of Jealous here, and so far Jealous is my only townread hmmm Which sure I haven't given any thoughts on Jealous besides On June 04 2016 17:01 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:11 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 10:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
guys, sqrtneg1
he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup"
but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared. Whereas you contributed what exactly? This is a terrible post to townread someone by, but I def want to keep you around now. I'm reserving my right to hold off giving a real read on him kus a few things have raised an eyebrow but I'm overall liking his posts. Honestly scott just seems like a coinflip atm and I'm not feeling inclined to lynch him. I'd like to know why people are keen to lynch him/his slot but nobody seems to be considering FF who arguably has done just as little. Defending scott, targeting FF. Note 4. On June 06 2016 03:22 Tictock wrote:Skynx was brought up and I had some misgivings regarding his opening (was going to include him in my post yesturday but ran out of time). Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far. I'm really not a fan of this opening because he's useing a one line rule to throw out very unfounded reads. There is also no indication that he is actually trying to apply the rule he's using here. "Town likes clarity" into "sounds towny" or "keeps things clean". I really have a hard time understanding why Super would have been the most scummy based on the criteria of contentless posts as well. This also bugged me Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:47 Skynx wrote:On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far. Do you think quicky (QT) is town? He doesn't sound scummy (yet) Really odd dodgy answer after he very clearly gave QT a townread in his open (or at least a lean). I also find it pretty interesting how he refines his read of QT but his read on Super remains static. Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:37 Skynx wrote:On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost. ? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no? What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about. My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious. Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads. Less exciting now. Typing on a phone is difficult apparently. So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear? Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake. They both sound scummy. Since I'm finding QT fairly scummy myself I tend to agree with Skynx's little case on him, but I'm also aware that a fair few of his points were just parroting what had been mentioned already. I might be pretty fine with lynching Skynx today.
Disclaimer: This post was written over a much longer period of time than it should have. There has been a random bit of roommate drama over that past hour so I've been a little distracted while trying to put my thoughts together. I'm gunna take a bit to resolve things then I'll do my little skim-over/catch-up and see how things feel as we are getting into EoD here. On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.
Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.
But I'm pussying out and voting kush. I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm. QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there. Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself? I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself. Although he claims that this was written over a long time, I believe this is when the QT wagon was in full effect, so his targetting Skynx here might not be much of an indicator of anything, but I'll include it as Note 5. On June 07 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order Skynx Scott Someone Else Someone Else ... Super Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us. Note 6. On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote:
Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible.
Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions).
BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me.
Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward. Note 7. On June 08 2016 05:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Where is kush.
TT who are never mafia for you? I'd kinda like to get back to you on this. But gut feeling? Super FF Scott and probably... Emp Blkcoffee Note 8. On June 09 2016 07:30 Tictock wrote:
Scott first and formost since he keeps referencing my first scumgame to justify his fear read of me. Note 9. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=87#1724I just really like this post. On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.
Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. Targets Skynx, note 11. On June 06 2016 20:58 emperorchampion wrote:
Half-Life 3 confirmed tier (Release date: soon (tm))
- Tumble
- Moosy
- fecal
- ticktock
Null
- btdt
- scott
- blkcoffee
Cesar's Army
- kush
- super
- skynx
My feelings at the moment, will post more when at office.
Target Skynx and 2 townies, not a good look, Note 12. On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:Some thoughts on scum teams: -super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush -TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak. - Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team. So what's your read on Jealous now? On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why? I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter. What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think. aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now... Defends Skynx and targets Scott. Note 13. On June 09 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I would like scott to show up and give his reasoning on reading Tictock as scum, I found it very nebulous. So many afks :/
At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean.
Softly defends TT, targets Scott. Note 14. On June 09 2016 02:13 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.
Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch? Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock? Note 15. On June 09 2016 04:09 emperorchampion wrote:
Voting scott, want him to answer some questions! Note 16. On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no? Note 17. On June 09 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:idk, I'm so suspicous of both scott and kush I just realized that kush was the first to post Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 11:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:
I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though
On June 06 2016 05:20 scott31337 wrote:
Alright I finally got it I'm town
I kept thinking if I was mafia with QT and had already voted for him it'd be really bad lol
oh god this is so townie unfortunately. Which was sheeped by pretty much everyone with basically no explanation. Scum reads all heavily favoured towns (well aparently I don't fall into that category LOL) This is fairly towny I suppose, but maybe pushing his own logic Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. Otherwise I don't find much in his filter. I think these are the posts with the most content, and I don't really see what he's pushing for here. A lot of blank reads with no justification. Note 18. On June 10 2016 09:12 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm ready to throw my caution to the wind atm. I honestly only trust super, and I have a feeling that jealous/moosy/scott could be maf.
Tictock seems to be making a lot of sense right now. Moosy's claim seems pretty genuine, but I don't want to give too much benefit to the first claim. Note 19. On June 13 2016 08:20 emperorchampion wrote:
Sooo it doesn't look like anyone else is here atm, I think I'm out after this for the night
Here's my scum power ranking:
-Skynx
-Scott
-Tictock
Half-Life 3 Confirmed List:
-Jealsus
-Super Note 20. So, going through these made me think of the situation this way: scum pairings. I didn't quote some of Skynx's posts that would apply to this list because I only had the thought while reading scott but they are in his filter. Let's look at the possibilities, if we take defense/scumread at face value. The note numbers are largely in sequential order with how I found them if you read the above spoilers from top to bottom Scott / EC = Not likely as per Note 1 under my Scott analysis, although later he does suggest him in Note 2. EC does target Scott to some degree in Note 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, Scott / Skynx = Not likely because Scott has been scumreading Skynx into the lategame. Scott / TT = Possible, has been defending him. Note 4 vice-versa. However, TT turns it around in Note 6, Note 8, Note 9. Scott right now has his vote to TT in a relatively high-stakes situation so I don't think it's likely he would take that risk, but he could shennanie.EC / Skynx = Possible, Skynx posted a fair amount of stuff townreading EC in the early stages of the game. However, EC targets Skynx in Note 11, 12. Then defends him again in Note 13? However, goes back to putting him at top of the list in Note 20. EC / TT = Note 3; TT against EC. Note 7. Note 8. Note 10. EC softly defends TT in Note 14, 15. Again in 19. TT / Skynx = I find this one highly unlikely because Skynx spent a lot of posts questioning TT and questioning other people's reads of TT as town. Skynx also defends BtDT as "not a big target," even does it as a separate post after-thought. Note 5 had TT scumreading Skynx. Note 6. I need to see this post in post form before I can form further analysis.
Mafia is unlikely to win this with 2 members left, they obv have to target each other today to not giveaway anything. Also his sudden switch of votes you questioned, I don't see how can you assign these two as unlikely.
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) > sr scott & kush > Votes Scott out of policy > heavy train forms on him (Moosy, FF, Jeal, Scott) > Votes kush. General shitposting, questions for everyone. Main focus on kush & Scott.
