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On June 06 2016 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 06:43 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 06 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
Why would QT being mafia make you think Tumble is mafia with him? tumble pressured QuickTwist a ton but ended up saying a policy lynch was better. I thought it was a bit suspicious too but i think kush would be more likely Mafia than Tumble if QuickTwist flips Mafia. Yea ok, I can see that. And yea Kush might be a fine lynch as well. Honestly though I'm just not sure if I really care who gets lynched between QT, Kush, Skynx, and emp atm. Lots of people not really giving out good town vibes is making this a bit of a toss up lynch. What is your beef with emperor
I made a post about it before, but when I go back to look at what I was talking about I'm realizing I messed up and got some posts confused.
For some reason I thought emp had posted this:
On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed.
Which is just an out there post that seems like a weird way to conclude you should look more closely at someone.
Checking over the rest on BtDt's filter I think we should just pretend I put his name on that list instead. Kus I'm mostly just seeing a push on Moosy and a large opener that rambles about like 5 different people.
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On June 06 2016 07:01 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 05:42 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 05:34 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 05:15 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 05:14 Tictock wrote:
QT what was your reasoning for claiming VT now? I'm getting lynched, Duh. It's just... if you are VT and decided to open the game by claiming Blue (having a PR) then I can only assume you did so to create some discussion and in a very off chance draw mafia KP. If it looks like you are getting lynched then I'm not sure why you would change your plans there and claim VT instead. Like if I were in your shoes I'd go full fake claim to try and get the wagon off me and draw mafia KP tonight. Chance you get lynched anyways but hey you are only VT, and if you convince people you are blue you have a good chance at drawing KP. Sure you are setting yourself up to die one way or another, but if you wanted to play the long game you probably don't open with a fake claim to be a PR. So claiming VT now as an "hey don't lynch me I'm just town and not important" doesn't really make sense. It seems more like a play for survival especially since you literally said, On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:
1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.
2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.
3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.
4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:
1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)
and of course QT.
Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow. Which just says to me "Hey don't hurt me, I'm not important" Fantastic logic. One problem though. What happens when we lynch a different townie today and then people find out my claim is bogus so I get lynched anyways? I rather have 1 town die than two, its that simple. Why are you assuming we'd lynch a townie if we don't lynch you? Who is assuming anything here? I said what happens when, not if we don't lynch me we lynch a townie.
Well if you are town, and we move off you then 3/9 chance that who we move to is scum. Hopefully with all your flailing and reaction testing you have a pretty decent idea who is scum and can help move town onto a good lynch given your perspective.
I don't really see you doing that, you're read on Jealous is pretty obviously just OMGUS + Show Spoiler + or put more simply you are throwing the same style of confirmation bias scum read you are accusing Jealous of having on you back at him. Also you don't seem to be pushing it that hard. It's also hard to believe you have solid scumreads when your response to explaining why you scum read me was to quote a few of my posts with one liners.
So... yea I'm having a hard time seeing why we shouldn't just go ahead and lynch you QT.
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Something is up with my internet connection, shit has slowed down to a crawl.
Hopefully it's just temporary, if somethings wrong I might be missing EoD.
I'm partially tempted to stir the pot and suggest we shennanie here though, right now this only feels like a mafia lynch if the team is something like QT/Kush/ +1 (some afk or low impact player). Though tbh I kinda get the feeling the mafia team is pretty low impact this game anyways, though maybe kus we are just on the wrong track and they don't give a shit atm?
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So we swapping to BtDt or Skynx then?
I'm ready.
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Lets do it.
##Vote: beentheredonethat
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On June 06 2016 07:56 Tumblewood wrote:
BTDT is a bad target
Why?
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On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote:
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?
Oh hello there.
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I liked some of blkcoffee's posts.
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I know there are more of you lurking dammit
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In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie...
Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger.
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On June 06 2016 08:10 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:
In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie...
Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger. Why do it at all? One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did.
Eh it was pretty dumb here given the activity of the game, but it was definitely a vote that felt like it needed some rocking.
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On June 06 2016 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
So who didn't shenannie, and why is a good plce to start
Who piled on, and why is probably better.
Or who dropped off after piling on.
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On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s
I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order
Skynx
Scott
Someone Else
Someone Else
...
Super
Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us.
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Eh idk I haven't had a chance to put any real time into this game today, still feel fairly happy with my town reads. I'm also starting to lean town on kush but I'm not totally comfortable with that read just yet.
Scott's claim to not have gotten his role PM bugs me just a little kus I know sqrt was posting in the first hour of the game (so pretty sure he got his role, don't think a newbie would start posting without getting that). There was also a pretty large gap from when scott joined the game till when he made that post.
Maybe I'm overthinking it but it feels weird, and I think Scott needs to step it up one way or another.
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I think I could go either way on Jealous still but given the level of activity and contribution he's making he prob shouldn't be the lynch tomorrow.
BtDt still bugs me. His posts feel over constructed but glacing over his reads I don't hate them. Scummier side of null.
Glacing over Emp's filter I'm not exactly sure how he came to vote QT. Seems like he had QT as a townread, started thinking about a QT/Tumble team but concluded Jealous was the more likely scum. Then reconsidering those 3 again ends up voting QT. Oh the other hand I kinda like how he responded to Super regarding his scumread on him. We'll leave it at null for now.
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On June 08 2016 02:20 Superbia wrote:
TT's "so many people are prob lurking =/" at 5m to eod was scummy. Again, need to have some 1on1 time w/ him. He's a good town player.
Whats scummy about it?
Skynx poped up as soon as Tumble and I suggested shennanies onto him and just to suggest people talk about the dude who was obv afk and now getting replaced. Thought there was probably more lurking.
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Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible.
Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions).
BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me.
Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward.
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On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:Some thoughts on scum teams: -super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush -TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind  I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak. - Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team. So what's your read on Jealous now? On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why? I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter. What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think. aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...
Where are these teams coming from? This seems like you drew names out of a hat then went to think about if they made sense as a team.
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Humm... I'm not sure what Kush is doing this game actually. He's insta voting Skynx today and I think this was his only post about Skynx.
On June 06 2016 13:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Sorry ff isn't scummy. Hmmm this dude skanks tho... Seems really unatural how hedges his read at the end when he acted so sure for the rest of the post. + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 20:53 Skynx wrote:Good morning people! Not having much else to do I actually went through 3 pages of solid spam. I then also went to read QT filter: 1: Contentless town reads Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:41 Tumblewood wrote:
ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive I think this is a townie response. Including this one he made some town reads based on absolutely nothing, First 3 were kinda trying to get the game going but they don't benefit town as if you don't have some case on why someone is town why just claim them town, you're just promoting confusion. 2: Memes & one liners + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:46 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:44 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:43 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:39 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:35 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
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This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. yeah, and really really super obvious as well. Knowing nothing about you or your play style and only judging from the content that you present, it's logical to use Ockham's razor and go with the most obvious explanation. You continue to dodge post after post, question after question, and only cast doubt upon the analysis of others by trying to debase them without any substance whatsoever. You know what I think? I think you should hold off your judgement until you DO know my playstyle. Or maybe you can answer some questions and show your play style through analysis and not through mindless macros and unsubstantiated claims. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GiiwAaY.png) This doesn't add anything to the conversation and he seems to like it as a cheap way of not elaborating things further. His filter page3 reeks of just memes and one liners. These are just useless spam. 3: Ignoring valid posts that are making sense So tumble posted this about the spam Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:hi kush On June 04 2016 10:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1. okay with plynches but not for that reason. in newbie games mafia is lynched almost never on d1 so I'd rather take my chances on someone who won't contribute than someone who might turn out to be a helpful townie His response: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote:
##Vote: Tumblewood
I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I? As town, why would you wanna lynch someone is trying to make sense, if you're serious that is. 4: Diverting attention by linking old stuff Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 13:18 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:35 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Jealous which between myself and quicky is more suspicious? What is the point to this question? Sup, can you answer this question now? Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 13:23 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:48 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far. Do you think quicky (QT) is town? 50/50 like for reading and applying Incognito's guide / dislike for maybe (?) hiding behind Incognito's guide instead of speaking for yourself also Incognito's guide is pretty old and now there are a lot of players that spam as both alignments Link to guid? These are where he understands he's not making a lot of sense so lets bring up old arguments and create some diversion. Super wasn't serious and you should've read the guide already, these are irrelevant to the discussion where people actually started to scumread him. Please enlighten me if you think he has made 1 usefull/towny post. Even if you think he might be town, these constant flow of useless posts are last thing we need and lynching him would benefit town more than plynching an afk for now, i don't think he will make positive contributions later on. ##Vote: QuickTwist
It's odd given that his "Shit list" at night was
On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shitlist
Ec
Tt
Tw
Ff
and he seems pretty there's scum between me and emp
On June 06 2016 13:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shitlist
Ec
Tt
Tw
Ff wow that is shit all of those people are town Dude ibbet tt or ec is scum tho
So screw it, kush seems like a good vote.
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And just to take things a step too far...
If kush is in fact mafia I'm kinda thinking of a team like Kush/Moosy/Jealous
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