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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 18:22 GMT
#671
On June 05 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There was this one guy who said Quicktwist was town based on activity. What about killing him?

kush
no, I'm not killing kush D1
he's probably out on a date with his fiancee, Ms. Policy Lynch

then can we kill QuickTwist then kush?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 18:26 GMT
#673
On June 05 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
@tumble what makes you wanna plynch sqrt instead of fecalfeast who is yet to post a word since daypost.

fecal town meta = do nothing.

But his town meta is also to start playing when he's about to get policy lynched so that's always an option.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 21:26 GMT
#682
The difference is I try to be annoying, vague, terrible, and disgusting at the game on purpose. That is, unless QuickTwist is trying to be all these things too.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 00:33 GMT
#692
On June 05 2016 09:03 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The difference is I try to be annoying, vague, terrible, and disgusting at the game on purpose. That is, unless QuickTwist is trying to be all these things too.

Why? Facade so it would be harder to read you?

Well, it's supposed to be bait for D1 ya know? If you play bad,Mafia will go for you thinking you're an easy mislynch. Unfortunately it's just a case of low hanging fruit and I've had Mafia's go for me every game. :D This style's actually worked out every game I've used it in except for two. One where I nailed 2 Mafia on D1 but got lynched because a major town with a lot of pull said to kill me and the second where I was tunneled. But regardless, town's managed to get a Mafia from my antics most of the time. Unfortunately, everyone in TL who's a veteran has pretty much wised up to my antics which means no one falls for my BS anymore. But I find it pretty fun so I just go ahead with the style anyway.

So yeah, I guess it's a facade to make it difficult to read me but at this point every veteran can read me.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 00:34 GMT
#693
On June 05 2016 08:18 scott31337 wrote:
Hey what's going on - let me catch up a bit

hehHehEHeh hello scott.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 03:02 GMT
#702
On June 05 2016 10:12 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.

yes! the worst part of the argument for me is that QuickTwist is not upfront about his explanations. He answers questions in a roundabout manner and gets frustrated when people don't understand him halfway through it. I'm also fairly certain a couple of his explanations were lies such as the tests he seems to keep putting up for Jealous and Tumblewood in making sure they're "paying attention". It could be a sign of a townie very uncomfortable under pressure and lashing out about it, and I've certainly done it before but it's still very bothering for me.


Show me proof of this. The real question here is how do you know?

I can't prove it unless I'm you but that's just the feeling I get. Players do it all the time to get others off their backs.

On June 05 2016 10:16 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.

yes! the worst part of the argument for me is that QuickTwist is not upfront about his explanations. He answers questions in a roundabout manner and gets frustrated when people don't understand him halfway through it. I'm also fairly certain a couple of his explanations were lies such as the tests he seems to keep putting up for Jealous and Tumblewood in making sure they're "paying attention". It could be a sign of a townie very uncomfortable under pressure and lashing out about it, and I've certainly done it before but it's still very bothering for me.


you have to ask yourself if that is all I've done. Do you think I explained myself well enough with me debate with Jealous? Maybe I'm just not coming up with the way you would answer and that is scummy to you?

As I said in my post, I understand why you would do something like that so that should say to you I've answered like that before. As for whether it's scummy or not, I did say it could be town struggling or scum so that's answered too.

On June 05 2016 10:21 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, I feel like Jealous could be town or scum right now depending.

If he is being honest in saying I am detriment to Town then he is prolly town. If he is being dishonest, then he is just pushing an agenda.

For that reason we need to find out the way Jealous plays this game. IIRC no one has meta on him? This is a problem. So I suggest people try to catch him lying and see where that leads.


On June 05 2016 09:36 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 09:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 05 2016 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The difference is I try to be annoying, vague, terrible, and disgusting at the game on purpose. That is, unless QuickTwist is trying to be all these things too.

Why? Facade so it would be harder to read you?

Well, it's supposed to be bait for D1 ya know? If you play bad,Mafia will go for you thinking you're an easy mislynch. Unfortunately it's just a case of low hanging fruit and I've had Mafia's go for me every game. :D This style's actually worked out every game I've used it in except for two. One where I nailed 2 Mafia on D1 but got lynched because a major town with a lot of pull said to kill me and the second where I was tunneled. But regardless, town's managed to get a Mafia from my antics most of the time. Unfortunately, everyone in TL who's a veteran has pretty much wised up to my antics which means no one falls for my BS anymore. But I find it pretty fun so I just go ahead with the style anyway.

So yeah, I guess it's a facade to make it difficult to read me but at this point every veteran can read me.

I see. Too bad you've shown your hand to all the newcomers as well ^^ Stay safe!

What does tunneled mean btw?

Yeah, there's no point in hiding my meta right now. It's my gimmick against vets but doesn't work against new players. It just distracts them which is a detriment especially with town players like beentheredonethat.

tunneled means focusing on one person so much you can't see anything else and basically convince yourself that you're right.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:34 GMT
#887
Just got back from shopping for a suit, parking my vote here.

##Unvote
##Vote: QuickTwist
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:35 GMT
#888
Also, I'm on page 37.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:35 GMT
#889
On June 05 2016 22:26 Superbia wrote:
So tumble is town, tictock is town, and moosy is town. Fuck it. All of them town.

whattttt but i hardclaimed mafia a;sdkfjgh
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:37 GMT
#891
On June 05 2016 22:26 Superbia wrote:
beentheredonethat is mafia or a PR. So that resolves itself.

town duh.

On June 05 2016 22:28 Superbia wrote:
emperorchampion and blkcoffee (I think it was blkcoffee) town too.

bikcoffee's pretty town from what i recall.

On June 05 2016 22:30 Superbia wrote:
The jealous/quicky 'debate' was unlikely to be TvT. And I'm tempted to call quicky the mafia, because of jealous reads actually progressed during the 'debate'. But I'm not completely convinced yet.

you might be town which makes me sad.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:38 GMT
#892
On June 06 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.



Why would QT being mafia make you think Tumble is mafia with him?

tumble pressured QuickTwist a ton but ended up saying a policy lynch was better. I thought it was a bit suspicious too but i think kush would be more likely Mafia than Tumble if QuickTwist flips Mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:38 GMT
#893
On June 05 2016 22:38 Superbia wrote:
I feel like I can refine my reads but I'd rather be reading some manhwa. I'll be lurking and awaiting responses/people to talk.

oh sht son which ones are you reading. :D do you use the webtoons site?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:42 GMT
#896
On June 06 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 15:00 Tictock wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum.

lmaoo this is actually pretty tru


Unusual use of emoticons from Moosy, so probs mafia.

2 down 1 to go.


Like wtf is this shit?

that sir is what we call a good read.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:43 GMT
#898
On June 06 2016 01:02 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 00:34 Tictock wrote:
Ok first thing I feel like talking about, reading based on activity.

Generally I find this to be an unreliable metric. There is some correlation, but it depends pretty heavily on the player in question. Scum can be tryhard and post a ton and town can loose interest or get busy and post very little.

My point?

Plynches based on activity tend to be coin flippy and giving someone a townread kus they are active and posting is weak at best.

It's generally better practice to try and look at the reasons and modivations behind when and why people are posting rather than try and use filter length as a metic. There are some exceptions such as scum-burn out, but even then activity alone is usually not your only indicator.

So the reads I've seen so far like "This dude made a hello post then left! Lynch the scum!" or "Well he's posting a lot so I think he's town" are pretty piss poor imo.


IIoA

his post is actually really good. I like giving policy lynches some space before going after them. D1 should be spent lynching someone that we think has a high chance of flipping scum. If we don't get scum then going for policy lynches is fine. But D1 is so dynamic that using it to go for policy lynches is suuuuch a waste.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:44 GMT
#900
On June 06 2016 06:43 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 06 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.



Why would QT being mafia make you think Tumble is mafia with him?

tumble pressured QuickTwist a ton but ended up saying a policy lynch was better. I thought it was a bit suspicious too but i think kush would be more likely Mafia than Tumble if QuickTwist flips Mafia.


Yea ok, I can see that.

And yea Kush might be a fine lynch as well.

Honestly though I'm just not sure if I really care who gets lynched between QT, Kush, Skynx, and emp atm.

Lots of people not really giving out good town vibes is making this a bit of a toss up lynch.

i'm giving out all the fluffy wovey dovey town vibes. :D which is strange for me. O.O does that mean I'm scum? o/
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:47 GMT
#903
On June 06 2016 04:44 Superbia wrote:
Also I thought moosy was shapelog. Disregard my townread there. x: (though he may still be town)

nice!
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:49 GMT
#905
On June 06 2016 04:54 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 04:48 Tictock wrote:
When did you vote for Moosy Super? how did I miss that...


I voted moosy at the very second the game started.

a wise choice tbh
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:51 GMT
#906
On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:

1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.

2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.

3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.

4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:

1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)

and of course QT.

Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago.


What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think?

Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias.

So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda.

Claiming VT.

##Vote: Jealous

Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you.

I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours.

I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop.

Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you.


OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow.

woooah hold up. I'm mafia and veteran but none of those roles beat being VT. As VT you have nothing to rely on and use yourself and your own posts to sift through town and Mafia. It's one of the most exciting roles in the game unless you roll it 8+ times in a row in which case it gets slightly boring.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:52 GMT
#908
On June 06 2016 05:07 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:
I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though



Wow. I kind of think this is townie rofl.

he has to be town. if you don't get a role but need to fulfill the post requirement you assume a town mindset lol.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 05 2016 21:58 GMT
#910
On June 06 2016 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 06:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:07 Superbia wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:
I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though



Wow. I kind of think this is townie rofl.

he has to be town. if you don't get a role but need to fulfill the post requirement you assume a town mindset lol.

Thinking like a townie before you get your role has nothing to do with your alignment or am i being oblivious to the joke?

if you don't have a role and you have to post something i'd assume i'm townie and post townie things so as not to get lynched. i was just trying to explain what scott was doing. so no, he might not be town right now.
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