[M][Cap] Tortoise Mafia

On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything.


Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town?


5 btw

On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken

Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.

To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.

To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.

On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:


at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /

Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.

On April 21 2016 05:31 Damdred wrote:
My phone bit the dust so I'm using farahs phone until I can go to the store and get one tommorow. But thankfully I'll still make all deadlines.

TT lynch list is pretty bad it's pretty Mich every low hanging fruit in the game at this juncture. Is scum inside it I'm not sure at this point. But it bothers me a small bit.

Koshis also is becoming more towny as he posts more. I would probably lynch any one who wants to kill him or throw suspicion on him. His push on ff wasn't bad and actually seemed logically founded. His push on hts is 100% better.

HTS is the most likely scum in the thread atm, tells koshi that if he's town but continuously talks to him like he's town and doesn't seem really to consider he's scum. And to a small degree back tracks everywhere while over explaining every little detail. It just reeks to me.

I think I'm wrong on ls and he can be town and shouldn't be lynched today.

TT I am torn on, his tone sounds towny and his approach is ok. But his lynch list is so bad and he ignores or downplays things. My gut says just activity wise he has to be town from how he's played his last few scum games.

Yeah kinda think hts is best lynch, which isn't a bad thing. I think,she's leaving her options open on ff incase a wagon builds and she can just jump on super noncommittal one that I think,about it to.

I like an hts lynch more and more

On April 21 2016 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS?

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Have you done the reading, Fiddy?

On April 20 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
I did noticed but if FF doesn't post more chances are he's scum because I seen his lazy scum game before mind you it was a while ago hedecied he would rather play fall out 4 than playing scum. Also sl I just can't read him properly so I letting other people do it for me due to me misreading him hard when's town because I normally think he's scum nowadays >.<

On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote:
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.

On April 21 2016 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW Tumblewood is most likely town he done similar things in Storm and the latest Newbie game and got scumread for it in those games too.

On April 21 2016 06:54 Fidei86 wrote:
[7/40]

So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it.

Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi.

I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point).

I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well.

On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.

On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.

On April 21 2016 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh I already found scum FF, and Damdred and you plus Koshi actually shared that same read with me. By assiocation I thought you would fit due to how she was treating you but you seem better now that you are posting.

On April 21 2016 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya it's kinda worrying that sicklucker not posting much but I always think he's scum regardless of his alignment so >.<

On April 21 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:

She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.

On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote:
Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline.

HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances.

Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.

I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore.

On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.

Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS.

On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.

My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.

but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on.

On April 22 2016 01:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK what a vote count maybe we should start consolidating instead? If I was scum I would love to see so many single votes

The focus is "doesn't seem to be doing much" - implied is that he's not taking stances on whoever he's mentioning. He's not doing anything with the words he's saying. You can argue a few points against others in this game for the same thing but multiple people now had called out Shapelog for having no stances on people. Nothing committal until this last list post.

On April 22 2016 05:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why SL jeeps somehow avoiding people's lists, he's almost done the least amount in game and hasn't posted in forever.

Besides that I am curious how tumble has such a hard town read on gb in this situation?

On April 22 2016 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:
19/40 + 3/5

Since it's apparent no one wants to lynch LS, then I'm going to go ahead and switch to sicklucker.

On April 22 2016 06:54 Koshi wrote:
My tinfoil says that FF and HtS are scum together. Who the fuck knows though. It is my Plan B idea.

On April 22 2016 06:59 Koshi wrote:
Damdred,

Is sicklucker more than a crapshoot?

On April 22 2016 07:07 Damdred wrote:
I want to lynch ff now.

Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.

SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.

On April 22 2016 07:12 Damdred wrote:
Tempted but I excluded her today. There are a lot of red flags though with her which yeah

On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote:
I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.

Ff is the better choice methinks.

On April 22 2016 07:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think people should look into damdred very closely if I end up lynched, maybe I'm wrong about HTS

On April 23 2016 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Yay we killed a scum and why in the hell did we save mafia Day 1 o.o Okay Vig you need to claim your shot.

2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF

Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker

On April 22 2016 07:16 gumshoe wrote:


Mistake XD,

On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote:
Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.

Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.

I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.

On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote:
I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.

Ff is the better choice methinks.

On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:


Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.

On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote:


Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot

Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.

2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker

On April 24 2016 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:


9

And this is why Shapelog is Mafia?

Can you please summarise to me all the reason you think Shapelog is Mafia?

On April 24 2016 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:


10

So you think I'm town?

So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?

Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"?
Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1?
By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"?

On April 23 2016 06:22 Damdred wrote:
I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home.

But ATM I have

Damdred
LS
Gumshoe
Ticktock
As my really pretty sure they are town

GB
Dyh
Koshi

As my probably town right now

Hts

Right now is a gut feel town.

I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said.

Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier.

If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things

On April 23 2016 13:23 gumshoe wrote:


OH MAH GAWD MORE SHELLS YAAAAY

Also dont worry, I'll def throw out as much as I can regardless, but yeah I really feel like dying today, this is just the worst string of luck bad play I have ever combined.

I was implying hts was a bit scummy yes, but then I saw the case damdred put out onto tumble and thought he was the one that killed for pressure relief.

Now that thats not the case I'm kinda coming back around to hts as scum / : (cause thats def gonna help not get me killed XD)

I will review her filter, she may very well have killed damdred to destroy the one big townie who could be a threat to her / : then pinned that scenario onto tumble, (even though he was coming around to town reading her after)

sigh duck ALL I KNOW IS SHAPE IS TOWN, ALL HAIL SHAPE.

On April 25 2016 05:33 Fidei86 wrote:

It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think.

On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy

Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town

On April 25 2016 06:43 Fidei86 wrote:

Why only one?

On April 25 2016 06:48 Fidei86 wrote:


Hey Koshi. These are Damdred's reads before he died. GB is 'probably town'. If you're sanctifying Damdred's reads, and SL flipped red and Tumble claimed green, shouldn't you be voting me?

On April 25 2016 06:51 Fidei86 wrote:

Okay, that's half of it. But I don't see how Damdred's read on GB (as town) could cause you to vote him as mafia?

On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.

DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.

On April 25 2016 07:00 gumshoe wrote:


I will be honest here, I would never let koshi protect me as scum here and while I joke that is the honest truth.

On April 25 2016 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I think we should lynch DYH over GB and Gumshoe now. I know I didn't put a big fancy case about DYH but still red his filter this game and his filter from his latest scum that I linked. I pretty certain we should lynch DYH for now and we can have a cop or tracker if we got one of those to check gumshoe or GB.

On April 25 2016 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:

He been doing his own thing pressuring people although I think his gumshoe read in OMGUS I had him do that as town in Student Newbie XX regarding scum Artanis's case on him.

On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing.

On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote:
Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox?

On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:


1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk
2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town
3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt
4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage

On April 23 2016 07:07 Fidei86 wrote:

TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp.

I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her.

On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in.

If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye.

On April 25 2016 05:51 Fidei86 wrote:


Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective.

Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense.

So I'm at

Town: LS, Shape, TW
Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe
No particular reason to lynch: DYH
Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT
??? GB

On April 23 2016 23:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Having read back through the filters, I've sort of talked myself back round on HTS and TT. There is a lot lot of suspicious stuff in their filters, but nobody else seems to see the link / soft defending I see, and I may just be paranoid. Both have had some pretty good analysis since the D2 flip. And as I said before, SL went after HTS pretty hard in circumstances where it was more than possible she might actually become a target.

As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town.

TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually.

The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game.

(Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there).

On April 24 2016 00:44 Fidei86 wrote:
Just had a thought: all the people TRing me for garbage meta reasons (DYH, Dani, TT) are probably all town. Because I think my play in this game has been pretty damn awful so far, and any of them could have easily pushed me as a mislynch.

On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out.

The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking.

On April 24 2016 00:33 Fidei86 wrote:
@DYH what's going on in your personal life bro? Busy at work? New girlfriend with legs that go all the way down?

On April 25 2016 05:33 Fidei86 wrote:

It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think.

On April 25 2016 06:48 Fidei86 wrote:


Hey Koshi. These are Damdred's reads before he died. GB is 'probably town'. If you're sanctifying Damdred's reads, and SL flipped red and Tumble claimed green, shouldn't you be voting me?

On April 26 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:
Koshi I presume you are joking. Don't make me get out the sock-puppets to explain why I'm not mafia. The lynch today is TT, HTS or GB. Everyone should read all three filters, plus DYH and SL's filters, and decide which we go for.

On April 26 2016 16:35 Fidei86 wrote:
I wasn't "screaming to lynch others". I was saying that if people didn't move from the 3,2,2,2 formation we had, I would consolidate. Again, if you can't tell the difference between those two things, I cannot and will not waste my time explaining it to you. I haven't played great this game, but then look at TT and HTS - both have made tons of WOTs and haven't been right on a single fucking thing all game.

On April 26 2016 16:43 Fidei86 wrote:

Sure Mafia need town cred now. I don't see why I as Mafia with DYH would have needed town cred, when we just could have easily mislynched any of you, gum and GB.

I'm not going to defend my filter because I freely admit that I haven't played amazingly this game. I've struggled to form reads and most of my thoughts have been pretty random. But all I can say to that is that nobody apart from Tumble was really on SL, and nobody apart from LS (and then me and you) was on DYH. Long filter dive posts don't make you right. Gut reactions based on how the game developments don't make you wrong.

On April 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote DoYouHas

reasoning is the read on Shape. I don't understand how that makes anybody scum. I don't understand how town DYH has Shape as his top scumread:

On April 22 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:

The ceveat on Damdred is reasonable but it could also be that Damdred changed his view on HtS around the same time as I did.

But the part he said about Shape has nothing to do with what you said he did:

Where did you see DYH make an argument on Shape that had anything to do with alignment related posts?

in my eyes mafia DYH looked for something to contribute and found himself writing down something completely NAI against Shape who just makes odd posts.


Anyway, point out to me where DYH made the argument that Shape is not making enough alignment related posts. He said nothing about that.

On April 22 2016 01:50 Koshi wrote:
"not doing much" is fucking super easy read to make as mafia. You going to townread him for that HTS?

On April 22 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:

Nope. Because mafia atm doesn't know what might happen. So there is no problem atm.

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Fucking disgusted atm by hts again defending somebody writing down so many things based on the fact this person said "X is not doing much". Like......... Which mafia has ever done less than make the super insightful read "X is not doing much"

God fucking damn.

On April 22 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote:
7. DoYouHas
9. GlowingBear
12. gumshoe

These 3 people look fine to lynch. I think I want to keep HTS around. But I think LS is at least twice more townie than HTS. But I don't know if I want to lynch in them atm.

On April 22 2016 05:15 Tumblewood wrote:

I do not want to lynch any of those people except maybe DYH
Gumshoe will probably make his alignment obvious, given time. GB is just town though.
Agree on keeping HtS around because I don't want to lynch her if she is town.

Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

On April 25 2016 06:35 Fidei86 wrote:
Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting.

On April 25 2016 06:43 Fidei86 wrote:

Why only one?

On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.

DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.

On April 25 2016 07:03 Fidei86 wrote:

This might be a nitpick thing, but I'm not sure why DYH wanted LS' view on GB, after he hard town read GB like an hour before.

On April 25 2016 07:06 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani's play is giving me the serious heebie-jeebies right now.

On April 25 2016 07:10 Fidei86 wrote:
Fuck it. I'm voting DYH. I'm not sold on the gumshoe / Koshi lynches, and I'm not sure I want to lynch GB either.

##Vote: DYH

On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote:
I'll consolidate onto GB over gumshoe/Koshi though.

On April 25 2016 07:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Shape please vote ASAP so we can narrow this shit down.

On April 25 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote:
SHAAAAPPPEEE BROOOO you gotta vote in the next five minutes or so so we can have a sensible discussion about consolidating.

On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.

On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.

On April 25 2016 07:33 Fidei86 wrote:
ez.

On April 25 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:
LS:



Also Dani, I notice that you aren't including me and LS in your little list.

Don't think I'm not on to you.

On April 25 2016 08:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani. Are you actually serious right now. How on earth can it be me. I was the one saying "hey, we could def lynch DYH here" and then I voted him second, when GB had three votes. I could have easily gone on GB after clearing gum and Koshi.

And also, I am basically universally townread (or at least, nobody seems to have me on their scum list apart from TT). In what universe do I as mafia enter the thread, call the two leading wagons (gum / Koshi) bad, then REFUSE to get onto the GB wagon WHEN IT WAS LEADING BY MILES and bus the GF.

ARE YOU ACTUALLY F'ING SERIOUS WITH ME RIGHT NOW.

The only reason you're IN ANY WAY thinking it could be be is to keep the lynch pool wider than it might be. Which I guess is a good reason not to move you off the top of my lynch list

On April 28 2016 02:49 Fidei86 wrote:

I'm now home and sat at my computer and ready to start filter diving. Please wait what I come up with before voting. I gave up practising softball with my team for this, so I hope you all at least read what I have to say before mindlessly voting me.

On April 28 2016 02:57 Fidei86 wrote:
-_-

You know, for all the people voting me, I don't see anyone really considering anyone else (apart from gumshoe and GB against each other). When I flip town you're all going to have to rethink things. As far as I can see you're all just meandering towards my lynch. You're wasting time and this is exactly what mafia wants.

On April 28 2016 05:34 Fidei86 wrote:

No. Please don't.

We may have a cop. You presumably haven't claimed till now because you don't have a good check. Don't claim because you can be roleblocked.

We may have a vet. The last mafia is a roleblocker, so can one shot you.

We may have a medic. You can save tumble or me this evening.

Obviously if you are the jailkeeper you should CC me.

Koshi - there is no need for a mass claim now. If I make it to LYLO then the claims should come at that stage (or the flips will tell us blue status).

On April 28 2016 05:38 Fidei86 wrote:
FWIW, one of the reasons I've been nervous about HTS (and also sometimes not nervous) was that I am fairly sure at least someone on the scum team is familiar enough with my meta to know when something is different with me. I was SHOCKED to be roleblocked.

On April 28 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:


like I said, shape lept onto the ff lynch last second / : super duper derpy scum move. Therefore not scum, also he actually posted something of use end of night 2, as opposed to gb.

On April 28 2016 07:03 Fidei86 wrote:
The N2 kill had to be either Tumble or LS. Scum probably flipped a coin in order to avoid WIFOMing too hard and avoiding medic/JK. Of course, I think I should fall into that category, but nobody in this game seems much interested in actually lynching scum.

On April 29 2016 03:05 Tumblewood wrote:

this is 10/10 fidei joins confirmed town club
gumshoe Koshi me Fidei
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tt shape hts not confirmed

one of the conftowns dies tonight, which leaves tt and shape as our solid lynches for tomorrow. if even one of the non-confirmed towns reveals themselves to be townie, we can lynch the other two and win (or if we get a save, all three)
btw fidei/possible medic, don't save me tonight. go for someone who has time to play the game.

On April 30 2016 22:51 Half the Sky wrote:
10/40

I have a tonne of stuff plus a milestone birthday party to attend tonight so I will have very limited time. I'll do my best to rove on mobile and answer questions from here through End of Day.

But if people are scared of me or cannot get over the D1 vote, you absolutely should go ahead and mislynch me and then lynch Tictock in mylo after you review how he made the arguments against me, it's not from a town standpoint in the least, and you should also take into consideration how he kept doubting Fidei's claim even without a counterclaim.

On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:


While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story.

On May 03 2016 19:51 gumshoe wrote:


Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one.

Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were.

Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / :

On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:
DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

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SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it:

A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol)

He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.

On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker

My reasoning in my list + Still not being here

Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.

On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:
Hmmm.
I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote.


He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today.


Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)

On April 22 2016 07:16 Shapelog wrote:
Saltshaker, you finally decided to show up. Just 30 mins roughly from deadline.
Yay....

Prob. my 4/5 post or w/e

On April 27 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:
Alright, If life can allow me to fucking play, then I can fucking play.

Some thoughts on the game.

I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending.

Anyways,

Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB

I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways,

So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards:


SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB.

Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on.

What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes:



So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS.

Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well.

What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons)

Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon.

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D2:

VC:

Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time.

Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post.

The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.

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I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see.

• Early pressure on gum
  
• Pressure on me
  
• Town read on HTS
  
• Pressure on Koshi
  
• Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
  
• On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:
  

  Show nested quote +
  

  On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
  There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
  
  Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
  

  
  
  Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
  
  
• keep options open on me
  
• Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
  

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There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm.
The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well.

I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw.
+ Show Spoiler [OH YEAH] +

point 5: if hts is the final scummer, we can assume he was having a hard time pushing as no one was actually scum XD which may very well explain his hesitance, for proof though I was also busy, I was frustrated with the situation as well making the game hard to play at all.

On May 03 2016 20:52 gumshoe wrote:


thats fine, we can let the lynch dead lock, ill get shot and you can vote whoever you want.

I also am unwilling to sheep you due to how you got fucking mad at fedie for being town XD I dont want hts to be scum koshi, I am simply voting the person the evidence suggests is mafia.

You on the other hand have this notion of deserving or not deserving the win, I think for the sake of your own sanity you desperately want shape to be scum XD and more than anything in the world, you dont wanna be the guy who lets a scum shape win in this position.

Your not impartial and your ignoring key points. I am sorry koshi but you are not sheep worthy.

On May 02 2016 08:37 Half the Sky wrote:


2/40

4 people remaining, first to two votes gets lynched. This is a pretty terrible post without considering why it's me over Shape (when sicklucker did the same day 1).

Think I found the final mafia trying to clinch, but I'll go through the motions again to be sure. If for nothing else postgame cred xD

##vote gumshoe

On April 20 2016 07:40 gumshoe wrote:



Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?

what is this mod tyranny you speak of

2

On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote:
I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum

##vote Damdred

3

On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote:


you assume I meant it as a joke : P

I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,

!

he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :



I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.

1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)

2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses

drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.

Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.

so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.

the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :

also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,



(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.

new section- why gumshoe is wrong.

1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh

2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.

3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.

4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh

5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P

overall case stability-3/10

On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:


admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,

##unvote


this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.

slight townie read

(5)

On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:


-_- bitch, you know how I am

speaking of overanalysis



I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op

slight scum lean.

On April 21 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote:


you cunt, this will never be forgiven XD


dis well written post.
I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :

now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.

six I thunk?

On April 21 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:




this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).

On April 21 2016 03:18 gumshoe wrote:


cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.

I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.

I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?

That said I dont like this bit from tic as well


in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-

On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:


at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /

Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.

On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote:
Haro,

town reads.

Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)

Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.

Damdred(starlord)

as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.

I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.

Hts - (Magonigal)
same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though

koshi (shelob)
Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)

Shapelog(pickard)

seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.

gb (frank reynolds)

Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.

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end of town

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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)

first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)

hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers

then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.

This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books.

##vote tick tock

On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote:
everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :

I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.

Dyh seems like town on a cursory look.

On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:


My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.

Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual

On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote:
Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.

Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.

I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.

On April 22 2016 07:04 gumshoe wrote:


Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time

I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.