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On April 20 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote: I will not be numbering my posts I like to live on the edge. dandred for blatantly wasting posts Did you just say Damdred is NULL because he is wasting posts? | ||
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective | ||
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On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote: Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation? Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight. Sorry, people don't simply bold to vote. They put double hashtags. I didn't see that post from SL. Yes I have some weak townreads on Damdred and DYH. I was writing a post on it but I'll do it later in a big catch-up post. I am currently busy. Wednesdays aren't really the best days to play mafia | ||
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Oops, wrong quotation. It was supposed to be the post where HTS is putting a finger of suspicion on me. Shapelog also said something about ignoring Tumblewood. I ignored because I simply don't trust he can possibly know what SL was thinking. It is simple as that. | ||
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On April 21 2016 08:27 Shapelog wrote: What? "Shape said something about ignoring tumblewood, I ignored b/c he can't know what SL was thinking?" I don't understand GB... I said that it's easier for me to read Tumble as the game progresses. Idk where SL comes in here. Slightly sus. after a dive on damdred. Mostly for a small contradiction lol. I don't understand the process of: "Scum likes wasting posts" -> "Ls, your overusing posts [...] (FF)" -> "this is different than every other game how?" Kinda nickpicky though I admit. Also, I will be back (posting wise) later tonight. [11 prob.] 7 I am probably mistaking posts, I have to play when I have time only l | ||
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I'm town, again. Please don't make the same mistake you guys have been doing these latest 3 games I was in. I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm | ||
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Damdred On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] Awkward jokes from Damdred gives me scumvibes. Yet, this is illogical so I will just put this as NAI. Still, it's relevant for me to say I don't like this opening. On April 20 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote: This is actually a towny type thought dyh Ca do the town pile for now. 5 Same reaction I had to DYH post, which makes me think Damdred is likely to be town. On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game. While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game. SL is obviously null Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons) LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum. Again, same reaction as me. Damdred is most likely town. DoYouHas On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. This post stroke me as town. I like the analysis DYH, it felt genuine and it's actually an okay suspicion. - LightningStrike On April 20 2016 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: I finally got my prayers answered by RNGJesus and it got me town for the first time in a Lex game. I do fin the vote by gum kinda weird due to his reasoning. His rerasonig is pretty saying he doesn't want a Donald Trump in this game although I don't blame it might happen :\ I don't like this post from LS because it's clearly he got it was a joke from Damdred, then gumshoe's vote must also be a vote. It shouldn't be suspicious. Leaning scum. On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote: kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion. Nitpicking. You're mafia. - gumshoe On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote: you assume I meant it as a joke : P I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice, ! he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / : I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias. 1: it would be fluff (policy lynch) 2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable. Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses. so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia. the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / : also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this, (his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically. new section- why gumshoe is wrong. 1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh 2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce. 3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed. 4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh 5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P overall case stability-3/10 Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points. On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote: admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong, ##unvote this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels. slight townie read (5) Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum. On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote: -_- bitch, you know how I am speaking of overanalysis I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op slight scum lean. Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/ - Tumblewood On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain. I like this questioning very much. Townie points. This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further. Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point: Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike | ||
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On April 22 2016 03:07 Shapelog wrote: NO! YOU WILL NOT PULL A GOD DAMM DAMDRED BOMB (AND VOTE WITH DAMDRED FOR MAX. BM) ON ME! Ok your busy, can you Please Explain the DYH and Damdred reads and any other reads you have. Do not do this to me dwag! [16prob.] I've started the catch up. All the reasoning is in the spoilers. Damdred townread is basically because he has the same vision of the game as me, usually, which makes him probably town. DYH townread was because of that post that felt genuine. But it is a weak townread, I must say. After that, there was nothing memorable from him. | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote: I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game. This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo. He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop. LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic. Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh. Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it. I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own. That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm. 13 Here TT notices the same thing as me on LS. He also seems to be thinking critically about every person in the game. Makes me feel he is most likely town. A weak read, but a town one | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote: Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow. I also townread Damdred for starting the game. I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves. I have issues with this post: Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:36 Koshi wrote: Meh. Should have went for HtS instead. Oh well. You're probably a good lynch tomorrow, it should be glaringly obvious to you that FF was going to flip town. It was obvious for me, who wasn't even reading the game. I finally was able to take a look at the thread and I saw through it. You should also | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:38 Damdred wrote: Because you were the only on and gb I believe who were actively bad,mouthing the lynch without doing Jack shit basically. All of you solo voters were anti town at best. I'm trying to not be hot headed and call you mafia for this. Instead I'm trying to believe you can be this hypocritical as town | ||
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On April 22 2016 08:00 sicklucker wrote: Its true tho. There was alot of off voters that had no interest in voting hts me ls or any other realistic wagon at the time. Cant really complain gb if you did nothing to stop it I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff? I've said why I thought LS was mafia and voted him. And Damdred, it isn't a matter of reading the game, it is a matter of looking at a vote count and KNOW it won't hit mafia. It simply wasn't. | ||
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On April 22 2016 08:33 Damdred wrote: Obviously when you have 5 voters doing dick all unless 3/5 of them are scum you probably won't ever hit a mafia. So you kinda just showed my point. 20 When you see people wasting their votes and the main has like 5 people on it with no people firmly proposing a second wagon it is clear mafia is comfortable with that lynch. If that is your point... Why did you stay on FF? | ||
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21 ? Exactly what I said? | ||
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere. Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me. What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? | ||
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On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote: I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out. The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking. Hello. Nitpicky on what? I don't trust a single word from Koshi. This is where I'm at atm. Everything he says looks forced to me. | ||
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On April 24 2016 01:29 Fidei86 wrote: All of your reads were based on one or two posts from those people, and your issues with those posts were ... Minor I'd say. So are you saying you think Koshi is Mafia? Yes. I wasn't being nitpicky. Damdred turns out to be town. I've townread him based on a few posts. Those initial posts were pretty informational to me | ||
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On April 24 2016 01:59 Half the Sky wrote: 9/40 I also noticed one minor mistake in last night's reconstruct, so I'll re-colour with Tumbleweed in blue... Shapelog I feel from pure voting is unlikely to be mafia, otherwise he was in the process of engineering a sick bus on sicklucker. IDK. I need to double check that read progression. Vote Reconstruction v2 2124, approx 2h prior to EoD 2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer 2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake. Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - 2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - 2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker LightningStrike (1) - Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast DoYouHas (0) - Koshi (0) - Sicklucker (0) - 2330 - End of Day 1 Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, LightningStrike (1) - Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast Koshi (1) - DoYouHas (0) - Sicklucker (0) - TicTock (0) - So looking at this, I am a bit worried, I still have my phobias from Day 1 on Koshi but I got a WIFOM feeling from gumshoe's last posts. I think there's one mafia between Koshi/gumshoe based on the Fecalfeast wagon. Fidei had been all over the shop with his reads, but I gotta re-read him. From votes alone, Shapelog is looking better but I need to see whether shit is off between him and sicklucker. I know sicklucker commented jack all on him, it was all about me. DYH - I will put questions to him in another post. He's just posted too little and we just need more informations from him. Tictock, if mafia is a sleeper mafia...but I'm doubting it based on the quality of his posts. I'm doubting it at the moment. I'll re-read that filter that to be sure. For now, it's one of in Koshi/gumshoe as mafia. Fidei needs a review, Shapelog needs a review for filter. There is one mafia somewhere in DYH/GlowingBear. Tictock and LS I am thinking are town. This is where I stand atm. HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH? | ||
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Not that he isn't, but I'd love to see him saying it word by word. | ||
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I'm voting Koshi. I think his posts are following a private agenda. I don't really trust he believes in what he is saying. | ||
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On April 24 2016 04:00 Half the Sky wrote: 12/40 I'm trying to isolate those on the FF wagon, and those who were solo voters, and then using other (non-voting) criteria to eliminate or townread or whatever. I'm of the working theory that of the two remaining mafia, there was one mafia that was on FF and one mafia that was a solo voter. "Between you and DYH" implies that of the solo voters, you two are lookign like the most mafia to me, not that any interactions between you and DYH means one of you is mafia. Sorry for the confusion. 6 I see, but this doesn't have a logical basis at all. Mafia could pretty much pile up on SL's counter wagon. It's hard for me to believe mafia would waste their votes under that situation. | ||
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Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town. Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation? You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so | ||
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Tell me the logical basis of "one of the underwhelming players is surely Mafia" Every Mafia member can be active and doing stuff. Being "underwhelming" doesn't necessarily means someone is Mafia. There is no rule that "in every game, there is always an underwhelming Mafia player" This is just an easy excuse to call people Mafia. I want you to give me real reasons to why you think someone is Mafia. | ||
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On April 24 2016 05:07 Koshi wrote: The first bunch of quotes are all pretty much in range of mafia on mafia. The second to last quote I don't understand what he is saying. Then the last quote kinda looks like he is attacking ff for wanting to vote off sl? all in all doesn't look too good for Shape. 9 And this is why Shapelog is Mafia? Can you please summarise to me all the reason you think Shapelog is Mafia? | ||
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On April 24 2016 05:14 Koshi wrote: 1) 1 good post. and then me thinking it could be LS being mafia. But atm I am back to LS being 100% town and HTS mehish. Even though she does a lot of work I just dislike some thingies. But sure, probably town. 2) I dont' remember what WoT I did. If it is the thing on gumshoe it was just me opening his filter and taking some quotes. Dnu. gumshoe almost looks too bad to be mafia. I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town. anyway DOTA tiems 10 So you think I'm town? | ||
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On April 24 2016 05:15 Tumblewood wrote: The case on gumshoe: This is much shorter btw gumshoe is either obvious scum or derp town here... i have a personal rule that there are no obvious scum, but gumshoe may have just broken it because he messed up, gave a shitty excuse, and then gave up i also don't think i'll ever be able to think (bar a legit blue claim) that gum is a solid townie this game based on how bad his last 48 hours were voting gumshoe is a pretty obvious choice here so i'm going to do that ##vote: gumshoe 11 This makes no sense at all. Are you the vigi? | ||
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I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town. Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this: On April 24 2016 04:19 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Shape Underwhelming. I am also thinking people are pretty townie. So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta? Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"? Also, are you sure you find people townie? : On April 23 2016 21:33 Koshi wrote: Man looking at this vote count this looks pretty bad for me. Sicklucker was not lynched due to these people: now with tumble town and me being town that looks somewhat really bad for gum. I can't think for shit atm so I will just wait till I got some time to look into this. I guess I got to look into gum (which I found really fishy early, not the same as how he opened in the numbered game but he tried to look the same, which makes it suspicious). And then I got to look into hts and see if she was setting up this tumble ml. Would be impressive. So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia. | ||
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You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe. You can explain yourself or let me waste my last 28+5 posts screaming LYNCH KOSHI until I get you lynched. | ||
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Can you care to explain those inconsistencies, at least? | ||
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On April 24 2016 07:03 LightningStrike wrote: I believe that Koshi is town am I wrong on that read and if so why GB? 14 I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case. By the way, why do you think he is town again? | ||
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Voting gumshoe | ||
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Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions. | ||
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17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. | ||
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On April 25 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote: The case on GlowingBear I originally liked this post, but now I'm just okay with it. Seeing SL flip has made me consider whether this was a bus, and I must say I'm not sure. It would be a rather premature bus, though, so I'll dole out one townie point for this. this is weird because GB made these nice points on SL and then played them down as not very important. I revoke the town point and substitute a scum point. this whole post is good. yea I want to keep GB around for a while. I don't even know who this post is talking to but I like it. GB is probably town, or if he's not, a scum taking advantage of a poor town presence a la Artanis in XX. He's worth keeping around for a while because he's the only one actually doing anything besides maybe Koshi and me. I also can't decide which pains me more: to see Koshi wasting posts like this, or to see everyone else be so conservative/AFK when they're never going to hit that 40+5 post cap anyway. This is a dangerously poor town atmosphere that could lead to an easy and unopposed mafia victory like in NSM XX. 18(?) That post was meant to HTS You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe. Gumshoe is basically for the hammer and for the martyring which looks bad imo. I'd expect him to fight his lynch with all his might if he was town. But he isn't. Still, I don't really know if he is scum. I'm really uncomfortable. I still don't trust Koshi. But his explanation to me wasn't that bad. Still, I'd rather prefer his lunch than gunshoe's. I voted more to catch reactions, especially if he was Mafia - I was expecting that Mafia would jump on me for voting gumshoe out of the blue, but it didn't happen. It makes me very uneasy. HTS posts looks convoluted to me. That assumption that there is certainly a Mafia between the underwhelming is very... Suspicious. Especially if DYH is in fact town. Plus, I remember she kinda defended SL when I first called him out? I'm not sure, but it felt she was trying to soft defend him. I'm uncomfortable with DYH. His play in here looks very familiar to the last one where he was Mafia with Artanis. So yes. This is where I'm at. | ||
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##Unvote ##vote: Koshi | ||
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Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:49 gumshoe wrote: i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably. Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me) 21 As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction. I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you. Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:52 gumshoe wrote: also gb can you not insult a player for his play, koshi thinks your scum, so what? You know hes a smart player, regardless of what alignment ether of you are doesn't give you the right to be rude to people for playing the game in the way they think is right. If you think were scum, come at us for it, but dont this whole "lol, your so bad at this game your going to get town killed" bullshit. Gumshoe, why are you saying I'm being rude? I've said Koshi's play in this game is a liability to town because it makes no sense. By no means I'm trying to insult him. Actually, I admire his plays, usually. Which means I'd expect more from him. I've already said why I think Koshi may be Mafia. It's because his thought process is unclear. He says he thinks you look bad, but votes shape for being underwhelming. But he ignored everyone who was underwhelming, why focusing on shape? Why not simply voting you? If you read what I've wrote on you you'll understand | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: umm you sure about that? (me in red with ls) you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together. Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments? wtf is this erroneus back peddling XD Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS. My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:25 gumshoe wrote: I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him) you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is) The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it. Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for) also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P Stop misrepresenting me. I've never made a single association in my case. I've said Koshi's thought process is nebulous regardless of your alignment. Your attempt to discredit me is pissing me off and I'm starting to get tempted to lynch you instead of anyone else | ||
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Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying. | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote: Well like I said, there is 1 mafia between DYH and GB and I don't know who it is. I am voting GB because 1) Damdred reads (which I will always keep in my back head cuz I suck) 2) DYH had some reasons to be town, I remember voting him D1 and there were a bunch of people saying he did something townie. I don't remember who. But there was 1 post I thought was townie ROFL Damdred said I might be town and scumread other people. So you're boting someone Damdred townread? SURE KOSHI. If town doesn't lynch your they are drowning in a pool of stupidity. | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:44 Half the Sky wrote: 22/40 Yet another bad post. Yes? What is bad in that post? Care to debunk? Well, I won't be here and I gotta work. I'm okay with the leading wagons, but Koshi will definitely flip Máfia. If stupidity reigns in here, lynch me but please, pretty please, at least lynch Koshi after I die | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:50 gumshoe wrote: what do you mean tempted to lynch me, this is the lynchXD I'm lynching the person I think is most likely to be scum, I expect you to do the same : P also im not making up anything your accusing koshi repeatedly based off his reluctance to vote me, one of your central scum reads all game (please deny it some more) Gotta own up to your shitty association reads brah. OH MY GOD GUMSHOE A GUY SAY HE IS SUSPICIOUS OF X BUT VOTES Y BECAUSE Y IS "MEH" IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAY X OR Y ALIGNMENTS ARE. THE THOUGHT PROCESS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. | ||
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Now I really gotta go. Lynch Koshi if you want to lynch Mafia If you lynch me, PLEASE lynch Koshi day3 | ||
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Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia. | ||
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On April 25 2016 10:55 gumshoe wrote: Well I mean of course I'm going to find whatever gb says scummy ( or at least try) but he just did this. "If you guys suspect me, why don't you just check with that role you likely don't have" Kek. -.- You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped? Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role + why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence Jesus... | ||
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On April 25 2016 11:37 gumshoe wrote: I don't know man, dudes agenda lines up perfectly with dyh's, and gb lied twice ( about associating Koshi and me and about sheeping Damdred ) and they both remarked on how bad a lynch ff was at like the same time and gbs been town reading dyh all game / : Seems like a lot to just be bad luck townie But then again this is coming from me XD so who knows. I still probes wouldn't lynch anyone before gb, just too much on the guy from mah view. And that fucking " hey gumshoe you there? Lol just kidding bro" post, this is all happening right now because of that one fucking post. Ima kill him for it, it's gotta happen, there must be precedent. Dude. I'll just vote you tomorrow because everything you say is convoluted. I can't bear reading your posts. I've never lied a single time. If you still can't understand that the read I had on Koshi wasn't associative, there's nothing I can do. | ||
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So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS It's basically auto | ||
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I'm sure this was a medic dodge tho. I'm voting gumshoe ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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On April 26 2016 22:06 Half the Sky wrote: 4/40 GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote? How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei? Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA? How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense. I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now. I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back. HtS: 1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off 2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive. 3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer. | ||
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On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote: Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though. I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game. My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in. Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added. Why do you read HTS as town? Why am I Mafia? | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:16 gumshoe wrote: 1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias. 2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD 3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / : I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff. Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh) Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here. Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you. | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote: I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do. But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons. If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum. also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me. you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum. The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time. then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back. this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me) I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case methunks : P That's the fucking problem, gum. You have a different view of the game than me. I think town has a certain way of approaching the game. Their thought process is often clear, especially when we are talking about a logical player as Koshi. When the thought processs is nebulous, a lot of times it is coming from scum. For me, a town usually thinks like this: "I think this guy is scum, I'll vote him" So when I see Koshi pointing fair suspicions on you but voting Shapelog for being "meh", I don't see it coming from a townie. And if it is not coming from a town, it is coming from which faction? Ta-da! Mafia. It doesn't really have to fit an agenda. Not all plays have a clear objective when they are made. But every play follow a perspective. So regardless of agenda, does a play fit townie perspective of not? That's exactly how I caught Artanis in the last game we've played together (newbie XX?) and it's almost the same diacussion I've had in that game. It's syllogism. "Town thinks like this Koshi isn't thinking like this Therefore Koshi isn't town" And if Koshi wasn't town, Koshi was Mafia to me, regardless of YOUR alignment. Now I've explained in detail how I saw the situation. Whether you believe in me or not is up to you. Just don't make explain again and say I should be "trying". I'm tired of trying. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1- yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. | ||
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Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:16 gumshoe wrote: you sir should get in mah pen. I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved. ( to me on koshi (me on gb and fedie) The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case. whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall, something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps. See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread. You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:23 gumshoe wrote: yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then ) I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this. you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about? obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie. you said you would sheep damdred you had a case on sl you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded). super duper wierd brah / : I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention. It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post. I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:31 gumshoe wrote: Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y" it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all) Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense. Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch. It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:34 gumshoe wrote: also if you know anything about me you know I get tunneled as fuck once I have a bigger picture in place XD sometimes im wrong sometimes im right, usually its a bit of both. Honestly if you knew or remembered anything about me youd know its indicative of my town play : P the bolded is kind of a lie. Thread sentiment is going in a million directions (fidei, tt, hts) your not as persecuted as you think XD This tunneled? No, I've never seen you this tunneled in vanilla. I've seen you with a really bigger grasp of the game. Anyway, I'm done discussing these things with you. You're either Mafia or tunneled town and nothing I can do will change that, as you will try to overthrow all my arguments against me no matter how convincing they are. I'm just more certain my vote remains on you. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:23 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh) Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.[/QUOTE] Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.[/QUOTE] scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this [quote]You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe[/quote] as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1-[quote]I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm[/quote] yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away [quote]My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him[/quote] you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl [quote] This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote] (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw[/url][/QUOTE] I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. [/QUOTE] yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then ) I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this. [quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote] you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about? obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie. you said you would sheep damdred you had a case on sl you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded). super duper wierd brah / : [/QUOTE] I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention. It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post. I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? [/QUOTE] time stamps April 21 2016 15:28 PDT [quote]This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote] time of damdred indicating switching his vote April 21 2016 15:07 PDT [quote] want to lynch ff now. Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least. SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.[/quote] 10 min before that [quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. 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On April 27 2016 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town. LMFAO dude. I don't even | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:41 gumshoe wrote: yeah, cause you were town XD id didnt revaluate shit, i knew you were town all game and pushed it. I was certain gb, just as im certain now. regardless of wether its poor play, its how I play. Its how I enjoy playing mafia as town and its how I want to win, and I dont think your such a pro that you have any right to judge how I choose to play : P Dude, are you taking this personally? Because, again, I'm judging you play on THIS game. Relax. I don't consider me a pro, I'm far from that, but I still have an opinion on what I find stupid or not  | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:47 gumshoe wrote: bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD (dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing) and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do? OF COURSE it could be a lie, but the point here is that you ARE ASSUMING it a lie without taking any step back because you are DESPERATELY trying to paint me as scum. You should start calling me Pinocchio, everything I say you assume it's a lie If you think every play fits an agenda, explain to me my Mafia motivation to post that 2 minutes before deadline. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:52 gumshoe wrote: also, you realize this is a bad thing right? You understand that scum like to make faint cases against each other right? Clearly you do, as you attacked ls for a faint case early on. mang, its like your hacking off fingers to replace to fix your nose / : It's exactly what you do every game when you're town ROFL Also, just to be clear, I was NEVER against lynching SL, I just knew the case was weak to grant a lynch on him for solely that | ||
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On April 27 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote: I never make faint cases bro, I go all the fuck out XD when I make a case I do it cause I think there scum. when I voted damdred I thought he was scum, but his answer assuaged me, your lazy hole pocking does none of that for me now also there was a point where sl was very close to getting lynched, and you showed up conviniently right after that window. And regardless of what you say about sl, what the facts state is that you let him slip. No explanation now can fully fix actions that happened then / : hence my lack of me reconsideration during our current discourse. You DO realise I made a legit case that I simply thought it was weak to grant a lynch? And you're saying that I, as scum, see my partber getting lynched and do nothing to change that scenario, but then when he isn't getting lynched I show up just to... Rant on the lynch. Yeah. So you think I should evaluate Koshi considering an agenda and that's how you evaluate tbings and how People with minimal understanding of the game evaluate things, but when you're evaluating me, you don't have to consider an agenda. I'm done talking to you, you are Mafia, period. If anyone has questions to me regarding any of those points discussed, feel free to ask. I'm voting no one else today. And if you want to lynch me, fine. Just lynch gumshoe tomorrow | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:47 Half the Sky wrote: 6/40 Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any. (1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here. You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go? (2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on. (3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler): + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Post-lynch - On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22 Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere. Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me. What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? (4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other (5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way? Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read? Ok. On SL: I thought his posts were suspicious, so I've called him out. I do those kind of things on every game because I always try to develop discussion. It doesn't mean, however, that it was a strong case that I would use as grounds to any lynch. Then I had to be and entire day AFK, and when I came back, I tried to do a big catch up post. In that catch up post I found informational stuff that led me to believe gumshoe and LS were Mafia (and to be fair, I don't even remember what it was). I saw nothing else from SL because I could read only until page 6/7 at that time. Then I only came back two minutes before deadline to see a lynch that, by VCA, looked like it was going to hit town. I didn't have time to do anything. I simply forgot about SL. Just like that. Because I thought I saw way more important things to pursue. And as I saw a clear fownie in Damdred, I tried to chat with him so we could work together. Now, sometimes I reevaluate stuff but I don't state it in thread. LS was one of that reevaluartion. I scum read him almost every game, and Damdred correctly reads him almost every game. So I took Damdred's word for granted. I know I have my limitations as a player, and working together is really important to me when I have a strong town read I trust | ||
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GlowingBear
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On April 27 2016 03:47 Half the Sky wrote: 6/40 Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any. (1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here. You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go? (2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on. (3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler): + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Post-lynch - On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22 Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere. Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me. What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? (4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other (5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way? Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read? Regarding (5), I didn't look at him and to me fair when I said your posts were convoluted I was being hot headed against you. And sorry, sometimes I skip your long posts when they are too long lol. Sorry for being lazy. Fidei on my pool was when I was considering only VCA. He didn't hammer DYH if I remember correctly? I don't really have reasons to scum read him other than not remembering anything relevant coming from him | ||
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GlowingBear
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HTS, still regarding SL: this is self meta, but... When I'm scum I mostly never attack and drop a scum read on them. I push that bus until the very end or I simply never attack them. I NEVER do something like attacking and forgetting them. | ||
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GlowingBear
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HTS, I actually said I had no reason to scumread Fidei other than his play being very forgetful in this game. By the way, I've been thinking about HTS and I believe that the way she is approaching the game, especially the situation between me and gumshoe, makes her very likely to be town. | ||
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GlowingBear
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I must say, although as weird as it sounds, that I'm starting to believe TT is the last Mafia. Does anyone understand why? | ||
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I think his reads are kinda disconnected. I remember him calling me town for pushing SL and I thought it was weird because I'd expect the opposite reaction but it didn't get my attention atm But him making a huge case on fidei and not pushing it further, and not having a clear opinion on me and gumshoe... Makes me wonder | ||
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GlowingBear
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On April 28 2016 06:07 Tictock wrote: Bah idk, on the one hand GB is a good lynch for suddenly going "Hey I think TT is scum, do you know why?" and I'd also be pretty happy to mess up his record as scum. On the other hand I really can't say with and confidence that I believe Shape to be town. ... So I guess I'll vote GB. If you all lynch me we should still have plenty of time to work this out so no worries. All for me, I'm out till well after deadline. Rofl You've called ME town the whole game and now that I called you Mafia you dropped your case on fidei and is gladly voting me It is TT, guys. | ||
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HTS was townie, TT was townie, Koshi was townie after day3. I think it's totally fair that we overlooked Shape for bussing his two partners. Especially when he hammered DYH for no reason whatsoever. The probability of Mafia doing that is low. Again, stop being harsh on yourselves. Game was good. Most of times we LISTENED to each other, and that's not very usual in a Mafia game these days. | ||
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