Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.
dyh
this is not scum on scum
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
sl
this is not scum on scum
SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.
Dyh
THIS is scum on scum, note the benefit of the doubt? The willingness in the absence of effort to give a pass to your scum mate?
kinda like this
I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker.
On May 03 2016 20:33 Koshi wrote: I will never again vote HTS this game gumshoe. So you better shape the fuck up and read the guy.
Pun intended.
thats fine, we can let the lynch dead lock, ill get shot and you can vote whoever you want.
I also am unwilling to sheep you due to how you got fucking mad at fedie for being town XD I dont want hts to be scum koshi, I am simply voting the person the evidence suggests is mafia.
You on the other hand have this notion of deserving or not deserving the win, I think for the sake of your own sanity you desperately want shape to be scum XD and more than anything in the world, you dont wanna be the guy who lets a scum shape win in this position.
Your not impartial and your ignoring key points. I am sorry koshi but you are not sheep worthy.
At least this is a good post. well done.
So you are town.
good.
hmmm. I'll make a "why is hts town post" later maybe. I think the vote she made here:
On May 02 2016 08:18 gumshoe wrote: Hey, sorry kosh, past few days have been hectic, no time for maf
shape is town, cause dyh accused him pretty hard.
your town cause day 2.
I'm town cause derp
so yeah, hts it is
##vote hts
2/40
4 people remaining, first to two votes gets lynched. This is a pretty terrible post without considering why it's me over Shape (when sicklucker did the same day 1).
Think I found the final mafia trying to clinch, but I'll go through the motions again to be sure. If for nothing else postgame cred xD
##vote gumshoe
is actually pretty townie reasoning.
There are also a shitton of other posts she made that are really townie. Like... Way more likely to come from town than mafia. That and her really trying hard just makes it impossible for me to lynch her.
Like I said.
I genuinely believe mafia to be
45% Shape 40% HTS 15% gumshoe
atm.
And the 5% difference between Shape and HTS is based on the effort. Not the full 40%
in general hts does look townie, but as I said, check out vanilla mafia, it's a perfect example of a strong scummer bussing/carrying his team mates while putting forth loads of effort.
in fact in normal just now, rels, the guy who was super duper active and townie, won by getting town to lynch a terrible looking lurker XD it is quite common a) because townies suck b) because scum rule(tmi) good scum players almost always look pristine, especially when the scum team builds their web around them.
as for pushing me this cycle, she making the optimal play, by going after the guy whose attacking her, she can 1) defend herself while 2) pushing me. At the same time she can always jump on shape if things change
but I will switch because I think I see what you are trying to do.
Shape doesn't have much going in his favour either, save the harder push from DYH, but I'm still finding more ATM from an associative reads standpoint on gumshoe
But I'll continue with your next post and go through the motions with Shape to be fully sure.
she placed herself optimally.
So is scum playing exceptional(hts)? Or is scum playing derp(shape)?
judging from my experience in times like this (as I said, I've been in this exact situation at least 3 times)
basic theory of mafia (that scum will look townier than town so long as they can bus thier team mates and are skilled)
understanding of how this scum team worked (hts was the space ship, sl and dyh were the boosters/rockets)
and nks (people who demonstrated a capacity to push hts)
plus the fact that i've seen shape play lethargically/terribly very recently and get mislynched for it, I am rather confident about my vote here.
On May 03 2016 20:25 Koshi wrote: Shape who was 0 effort this game said this about a mafia:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote: DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read. SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol)
He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.
Which is pretty impressive. After he gave that list post he did nothing to push either sl or figure out DYH their alignment though.
But turned it miraculously around and he voted mafia sl on D1. Impressive once more. But looking at his post he kinda was looking to get off him. Why?
On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote: ##Vote: Sicklucker
My reasoning in my list + Still not being here
Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.
On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote: Hmmm. I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote.
On April 21 2016 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 21 2016 07:06 Damdred wrote:
On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.
And this is different than every other game how?
Anyway I'm going to hedge on hts now until tommorow.
It is bothering me sl is getting so little attention especially with his lack of try hard as s um lately.
You're right, it's been a while I guess.
I'll never pass up a chance to lynch SL, especially if he's being lazy
On April 22 2016 01:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I would like to vote and lynch sicklucker if he doesn't come back. HTS you're giving me weird tone feels right now it feels like you're talking down to everyone but maybe that's just me having only been awake 10 minutes
He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today.
On April 22 2016 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote: Pssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
##vote sicklucker
frig off damdred
On April 22 2016 06:42 Fecalfeast wrote: I would vote HTS
Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)
↑ please watch how FF was voting fecalfeast. The same person Shape thought was mafia. But for some reason right after voting sl, Shape goes attack the person who wants to vote sl with him.
On April 22 2016 07:16 Shapelog wrote: Saltshaker, you finally decided to show up. Just 30 mins roughly from deadline. Yay....
Prob. my 4/5 post or w/e
↑ Tinfoil (mafia talking to each other) BUT There is also no actual attempt from Shape to read sl. Just this. Strange when Shape was scumreading sl?
And D2 he again ended on mafia!! Impressive once more.
And D3 he did nothing because there was 0 pressure. Pushed the GB a bit but didn't put his hearth really into it. Also pushed another town lynch in TT already. Just doing what is needed. Blending in and making the right cases on the right people.
For D4 he didn't even vote. Which is not normal for Shape. I do believe he has really problems connecting to the internet but I also think that as town he would find a way to show his commitment to solving the game and wouldn't get catched by internet failure. Probably voted his scumread when he entered the thread. etc etc.
The guy is just playing reactionary D3 and D4 and is getting rewarded for it by dumbass shit townreads that people give him. I never understood why people townread him. Both HTS and gumshoe and this TW. And GB.
Only TT was skeptical and said he was probably town because the mafia spewed him town. Which was exactly my read on Shape but some dumbasses lynched TT and some other dumbasses didn't vote. But w.e that happened.
D5 more nothing. Just get him lynched. Last 3 cycles it is mafia riding to victory because town is fucking retarded to the maximum.
Gumshoe. Read this fucking case carefully. And tell me why the fuck you want to lynch somebody who wrote 5 billion words over Shape. Who has no real reason to be town except GAME FUCKING RELATED EVENTS.
While HTS was pushed by SL While HTS made a shitton of questionable post. (which at that amount could come from town trying to solve over mafia trying to hide) While HTS is really trying to solve the game. day after day.
point 1: zero effort- hyperbole.
point 2: seems like your muddling this up, but yeah, just seems like derp to me. If dude knew if ff was going to flip green he would not have voted ff at the last sec. the end.
point 3: shape is not a pushy player and he wasnt leading town sentiment, he was probs just lazy/realistic. Like I blatantly defended sl that day, so my criteria for scummy regarding this lynch is "who was afraid to look bad" and shape def doesnt fall into that category.
point 4: you vaguely brush over how he lands on mafia and treat this as a scum point... gonna need more than that.
point 5: if hts is the final scummer, we can assume he was having a hard time pushing as no one was actually scum XD which may very well explain his hesitance, for proof though I was also busy, I was frustrated with the situation as well making the game hard to play at all.
point 6: I didnt vote due to a combination of gb disappointment and work, that shows there is a precedent for a townie showcasing this behaviors ether way therefore it is null.
point 7: of course a player will look reactionary when they dont really know who scum is (ie scum is one of thier hard town reads)
point 8: read it carefully.
point 9: we've already explained hts's behavior, 1: it's her last game she wants to win 2: her scum team is beneath her skill level so she can buss if need be 3: Shes generally skilled and active as ethier side. Shape may very well just be a shit townie, we def have lots of those always.
point 10: Hts was only pushed by sl once she started pushing him(around when he looked like the lynch) she eventually voted off him, and he voted off her FOR LITERALLY NO GIVEN REASON ON TO YOU.
11: Post day 2, hts does not have to play scummy, she just has to not die.
12: As we said, last game, usually active, nai.
12/40
Phoneposting from here on out so bear with me.
First things first. Yes I'll confirm it's my last game. This isn't alignment indicative obviously.
Second Koshi, I thought you were aiming to put pressure on Shapelog like you did FF day 1 to just play/do something in mylo but I'll say this.
I'll sum up my reasoning for preferring voting gumshoe in a few bullet points if you don't want to read or read my filter
1 taking several things out of context in my gameplay, even in this last post there are several leaps of logic he is making 2 associative reads (my last long post) are showing a stronger correlation between him vs shape 3 day 1 play more specifically the read progression on sicklucker in conjunction with his voting day 1 indicates he is saving his scum teammate sicklucker
Additionally what he is doing is taking a fear read (saying I'm active and a good player as either alignment) and using it amongst other points to justify why it could only be me who is mafia
Another example of that is how he used/analysed the nk wifom.
Additionally he puts me on a team based on an interaction that could come from either alignment without considering the additional interactions I've had with those players.
4 the manner in which he voted me from the off in mylo is probably the most suspicious thing to me given his justification and his subsequent explanation for saying that I could convince Koshi to lynch him makes zero sense based on - Koshi's repeated lynch preference between Shape and myself - Koshi's and my repeated difficulty in working together all game
your vote on me has little to do with koshi, you voted me for efficiencies sake and also because you set it up earlier with the gb/me waffle. You can always vote shape at any time (as I pointed out) so for the moment makes sense to vote the guy you a) set up on earlier b) is attacking you.
also this bieng your last game is a big deal, as we can expect heightened effort from a skilled player, it isnt alignment indicative, but it is an essential piece to explaining how you've played you could've played such a good scum game. The other piece are sl's interactions with you (only attacking you because you attacked him, only really going after you once it looked like he would get lynched) and dyh (tr for days, you consistently giving him the benefit of the doubt until he was too inactive to ignore)
that in conjunction with my inability to place shape with dyh and sl (thier interactions are really not likely to be scum on scum, seeing as you think im scum, you should understand my points on that matter)
Shapelog, why you are wasting time on Koshi, fuck if I knew. He isn't and should not get lynched. Gumshoe and I are not voting him.
What are your thoughts on my case against gumshoe, or his points on me?
You said you were catching up on our filters, did you have any thoughts there?
If you are town, this line of play is quite frustrating from you.
Koshi has been hard pressing him for ever. Its perfectly understandable to go after the guy who wants to 100 percent lynch you as you have to figure out if one or both of you is/are just that bad or hes actually scum.
Its easy for us to give koshi a pass cause hes not really attacking us.
your vote on me has little to do with koshi, you voted me for efficiencies sake and also because you set it up earlier with the gb/me waffle. You can always vote shape at any time (as I pointed out) so for the moment makes sense to vote the guy you a) set up on earlier b) is attacking you.
No I voted you because the manner in which you voted me exposed a double standard. If Shapelog pulled the same thing you better believe I'd be questioning the why and the motives.
Your associative read on SL/me does not take into account thread sentiment and the manner in which Damdred was trying/debating to lead the lynch on me. like I said before what sicklucker did after the 6th vote on Fecalfeast is WIFOM. THE TIMING OF HIS VOTE TO KOSHI OR ANYONE ELSE IS IRRELEVANT. those make your points invalid.
You made a point about NK wifom and Koshi and the point in my response to that is that it didn't make you any more town or me any more mafia, and that is the way you were trying to portray it earlier.
not really, you voted me because you were looking for a reason to choose between me and shape, I gave you one.
sl was a top lynch, if you were scum together, he would start counter attacking you the moment you sealed his fate, cause distancing.
also that doesnt explain why he switched his vote onto koshi last second.
these was his last words before the vote finished while he was voting hts
ike I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here
like lets be real here, whoever the scummer is, they have had 3 days to do nothing but feign innocence and plan this moment. the tumble lynch is implies they are in a good position as they have the room to kill 100 percent trs as opposed to threats. Your not that person, as theres no way dyh pushed you like he did if your scum together.
does this really seem like a scenario I would manufacture koshi? Having to go after arguably the best player in the game while desperately defending the worst one in ways that alienate you, another strong player, and expose me?
On May 03 2016 23:48 Koshi wrote: I don't see why HTS would leave me alive.
1) your proving why she would leave you alive as of this very moment.
2)
For me it is Shape or HTS. I think I said it a lot.
Let's lynch Shape;
Last game Shape continuously pretended he wanted to solve the game. Constantly saying he was going to reread etcetc.
you have hungered to kill shape since the dawn of time, i do not think it was at all unreasonable for hts to think she could convince you to lynch him over her, as she knows she the better player and as of last cycle you were stuck between them.
i was also pretty reluctant to kill her
hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze.
lets be honest koshi, say i wasnt here, you have shape showing up making a few cases here and there and hts slaughters him for the whole of the cycle.
Would you honestly vote for shape in that scenario? Of course not, and of course she knows that. Youve had a "shitty townies deserve to die" vibe all game, it would be a super safe bet for an omega active scummer to bring in to this final 4 given me and shapes long absence.
On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
[1]
Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
3
I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
!
he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
##unvote
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
2
-_- bitch, you know how I am
speaking of overanalysis
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
I finally get to do it before Gumshoe
you cunt, this will never be forgiven XD
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
[1]
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
That said I dont like this bit from tic as well
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations.
On May 04 2016 00:12 Koshi wrote: I don't care anymore gumshoe. You are going down. Learn to fucking vote.
You get the moral victory if it is HTS. You don't get it if it is shape because you suck. HTS gets the victory if it is you or her. She doesn't get it if it is shape because she sucks. Shape gets the victory as mafia because everybody is a dumbass pants on head townplayer. He doesn't deserve it if it is HTS or you but what you gonna do? I get screwed anyhow anyway xcept when it is you I guess.
I like you koshi, but thats an awful way to play mafia ) : you win with town, you lose with town, the end.
if you honestly think im scum for playing terrible day 1 (as townies are want to do) fine.
but none of this moral victory bullshit, I want to win koshi, and all I can ask of you is to want the same thing T_T
also we may very well no lynch today if shape trs me / : not a guarantee as he didnt last time but who knows, so we may be in it for the long haul, so save some of the melodrama for alter : P
On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:40 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
[1]
Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
what is this mod tyranny you speak of
2
w.e
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
3
I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
!
he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
overall case stability-3/10
Backtrack on case. Why? Awkward as fuck.
On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
##unvote
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
slight townie read
(5)
Something about Shape. w.e
On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
2
-_- bitch, you know how I am
speaking of overanalysis
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
slight scum lean.
You like HTS and dislike Shape
On April 21 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:19 Half the Sky wrote: 5/40
FYI, yes I am (the lone) female in this game.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 21 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
[1]
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
On April 21 2016 03:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 03:06 Koshi wrote:
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
That said I dont like this bit from tic as well
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
w.e post more meh
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Dyh seems like town on a cursory look.
more meh
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote: Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.
Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.
I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.
shrugging of suspicion with smilies. Is this talking to scumread?? sad.
On April 22 2016 07:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
Saving buddy. Forgot about TT.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
mafia slipped. Also doing the smiley thing again.
On April 22 2016 07:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
TT was a pretty cool guy. RIP.
On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:22 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations.
It has nothing to do with you being shit. It has everything to do with you not being able to show any form of townieness.
And don't give me that bullshit that your D1 is shit. You played amazing in the numbered game but Slam is a dumbass and shot you. You had the drive, the townieness was oozing out of you it was fucking criminal.
This game you couldn't look more like mafia trying to be a cool guy but failing so fucking hard.
umm in that numbered game eveyrone who wasnt you shanked me day 1. and in my most recent game i was town and created a bullshit meta case to hard tr scum onegu and another one to hard scum read a townie (tumble)
my day 1 is a fucking joke koshi XD dont pretend to know my flaws better than I do : P
also i was playing normal at the same time and most of my focus was there honestly / :
Ask yourself koshi, is my day 1 really that wierd for me? (its really not man XD) or do you just really want to not be totally wrong?
On May 04 2016 00:20 Koshi wrote: We can't no lynch.
of course we can.
more time doesnt exactly hurt us, and if im scum like you said i cant jump onto hts and end it (though if shape is scum he cant do that T_T but I really doubt it)
On May 04 2016 00:26 Shapelog wrote: Fucking Gumvirogian We literally cannot no lynch (97%) mech wise.
Otherwise, yes, No lynch into mafia shooting someone.
lol, we literally were just in this position, with me defending you and you scum reading me for asinine reasons.
also the key thing your overlooking about my having to vote hts argument is this, I would have never put myself in the postion of having to scum read my top town read to win the game
I would have had days to plan this, hard tring you like I have was an awful move as scum and something I would never have done, especially because of the consistency with which others have scum read you thereby giving me the chance to renounce my views.
DO YOU HEAR ME SHAPE, ITS A POSITION I PUT MYSELF INTO, WHY DO THAT AS SCUM
also you know what, ill give you guys one last chance
I swear on my life and my mother and fathers lives that I am town.
there, I may be a dick for doing that, but im not a piece of shit.
if you 2 lynch me you do so knowing full well that your fucking idiots.
On May 04 2016 00:26 Shapelog wrote: Fucking Gumvirogian We literally cannot no lynch (97%) mech wise.
Otherwise, yes, No lynch into mafia shooting someone.
lol, we literally were just in this position, with me defending you and you scum reading me for asinine reasons.
also the key thing your overlooking about my having to vote hts argument is this, I would have never put myself in the postion of having to scum read my top town read to win the game
I would have had days to plan this, hard tring you like I have was an awful move as scum and something I would never have done, especially because of the consistency with which others have scum read you thereby giving me the chance to renounce my views.
DO YOU HEAR ME SHAPE, ITS A POSITION I PUT MYSELF INTO, WHY DO THAT AS SCUM
also you know what, ill give you guys one last chance
I swear on my life and my mother and fathers lives that I am town.
there, I may be a dick for doing that, but im not a piece of shit.
if you 2 lynch me you do so knowing full well that your fucking idiots.
##unvote
##vote hts
...I didn't vote you.......all I said was you could of plan it...wowie.
Yet you did tho, you litterly went at the GB lynch (D3) posted that you wanted to lynch your top town read the next day if GB wasn't scum.
If I had to guess, you did it as scum because everyone else allowed you to do so (renounceing your view) from the scum reads on HTS. Which is your defense for me.
And you did have days to plan it (since D2 lynch) basically if you were scum. Maybe RL issue yes, but you still have had time.
Also, as someone who lost his dad early on (11) Don't bring family members into the game like that if you can help it. It bothers me, and kinda is a tad bit disrespectful IMO.
Well I fucking did it, now you have to decide if im just a piece of shit or a total shit. Cause your reasoning is awful and you literally just scum read me in a spot were I was tring you in a dif game so obviusly your awful at reading me so what else can I do. I would have kept my reads loose as scum. Thats just optimal.
What's more I have done this oath twice before in heated emotional scenarios were I could not convince a townie to see reason, and each time I was town. I have never done it In a scum game and I never will.
If I did do it this game, that would imply I was invested in it enough to do so, which makes no sense considering I afkd for days.
On May 04 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote: So you flip the fuck out, because I have said something that underminded your defense, while not calling you scum over HTS and voting you off? I mean i latterly just made a point that you could, yet you OMGUS mode me.
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And yes I was wrong in Devil, for fucksake. And I admit that. And maybe I am jackshit at reading you. But, that is just ridiculous. I am in a postilion where I know that either you or Sky is scum, so yes, I am going to be questionable and nick-picky.
im sorry, I was more flipping out at koshi T_T I was fairly reasonable with him throughout the argument but his whole "lol your dying no matter what take the moral win" set me off.
It was dickish of me to do what I did, I wasnt mad at you it was just sort of a last straw thing cause i was sitting here laughing/dreading at the thought of you coming after me again in identical fashion -_- and when that actually happened I exploded, I didnt mean to insult the memory of your family I was just really angry.
in regards to your argument, I would have never trd you like that in the first place / : woulda kept my point about jumping onto the mislynch to myself
that is the honest truth, you can be certain I would not have this paticular group at final 4 if I was scum, I havent been able to convince koshi of anything so would never bring him, I wouldnt defend you and I wouldnt go after hts.
EPT
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