EPTShape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)
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Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:38 Damdred wrote: Because you were the only on and gb I believe who were actively bad,mouthing the lynch without doing Jack shit basically. All of you solo voters were anti town at best. I don't like you just blanket-semi-scumreading so many people though. Okay gone now for sure. | ||
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On April 23 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote: Like read tumbles filter pay attention to EOD and the flipbreactiom subsequent posts. He didn't want people following his vote? He's really distancing himself from the ff lynch and trying to forgo people suspecting him. His reaction to me telling people they should of been on someone together was also bad as it is a statemtn to throw scum without really coming to a conclusion on his own. that was a joke the contradiction is so obvious even I'm aware of it | ||
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anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [proof] + On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden. Going now but will be back just before deadline. On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though amazing how inconsistent one's capitalization can get without anyone noticing damn it's going to be nice to be a potential nightkill for once | ||
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On April 23 2016 12:33 gumshoe wrote: Umahgod that's amazing, your incredible and I look so baaaaads XD kill me now plox, I'll just put out some reads before I die and it'll be ok. Seriously I could not have fucked up worse, just just put me out of my misery please. ##unvote Also pretty sure tic is town, all his points on me are solid honestly, his lung thing was just the only scummy thing I saw at the time but honestly he's just not that scummy besides that ##vote gumshoe wtf gumshoe you didn't have to go full beggar mode there's still like 40 hours On April 23 2016 12:40 LightningStrike wrote: So TW actually breadcrumbed his role being Vig. Well that puts a spin on everything about today. good use of a post ls On April 23 2016 07:51 gumshoe wrote: Uh, I was so wrong on sl it hurts, This changes a lot about the day 1 lynch so hopefull there's stuff to find there. Damdred flip does not suprise, but he was pushing hts pretty hard, so it's interesting that scum chose to take that pressure off her. hey gumshoe here's another land mine for ya: do you imply by this that you think hts is scum[mier]? | ||
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- ls looks pretty town because sl would be stupid to jump on a 1-vote wagon on hts with his scummate - fidei either saw gumshoe way early or jumped the gun in order to get maximum cred - one scum between shape, hts, and gum for switching to save sl, probably gumshoe because he jumped on sl latest, switched earliest, and is otherwise scummiest - dyh, tt, gb, and fidei utterly useless on their silly stubborn solo wagons man, stuff is happening but it's way easier not to think and use my silly rules for vca instead | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote: Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow. I also townread Damdred for starting the game. I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves. I have issues with this post: Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. this post is self-inconsistent and generally bad tt read is whatever, damdred read is mediocre (scum or town can start the game and koshi should know that). ls is "trying" which should imply towniness but koshi still dislikes him. also that ff read is hot fresh trash. [side note, that ff quote makes me think he's town now that sl is flipped scum] On April 20 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote: ##vote Fecalfeast I have issues with almost all his posts. Sicklucker his vote on LS was 100% trashtier reasoning and the comment from FF on it seems too much like buddying. Townie should be grilling sicklucker his bad play or just add something decent on how LS is approaching this game. The lazy +1 on a in my opinion really useless vote on LS by sl just looks fucking horrible; Also TT could be town for sure. But again. True statement that seems like a townie that is paying attention and that seems correct. But the way FF is making posts is not to make a difference or push his opinion. It's all a bit too calculated, too prudent and I don't like it for a bit. sl did a scummy thing but nah remember ff is the real scum here On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town. But I don't understand why. 1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF. this is good though i like this then he talked about ls for a while but i didn't have a conclusion to draw from it On April 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote DoYouHas reasoning is the read on Shape. I don't understand how that makes anybody scum. I don't understand how town DYH has Shape as his top scumread: this dyh vote is pretty poorly reasoned because dyh's scumread was pretty legit On April 22 2016 05:46 Koshi wrote: Dnu. I think sl is actually so extremely horrible he is maybe not mafia :/ dumb townread on sl On April 22 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote: Are we lynching HTS? I am up for it. this doesn't make sense because a while ago he wanted to keep hts around there's no real progression on his hts read, just varying stages of okness with her lynch koshi is possible scum but in no way is this certain; if he is town i don't know what signal to expect because his huge spamfests will have to condense into 40 posts, but i think i'll know Koshi: How did your read evolve on HtS? (as in, your reasons to change it) Why did you make a big WoT and then go vote Shape? (and why are you voting him) | ||
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This is much shorter btw gumshoe is either obvious scum or derp town here... i have a personal rule that there are no obvious scum, but gumshoe may have just broken it because he messed up, gave a shitty excuse, and then gave up i also don't think i'll ever be able to think (bar a legit blue claim) that gum is a solid townie this game based on how bad his last 48 hours were voting gumshoe is a pretty obvious choice here so i'm going to do that ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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disclaimer: even though i am trying a new way of reading him, keep in mind that i have been wrong on shape literally every game with him where i was town i feel like you can't really read shapelog based on content or all of that lame stuff easier for me, because i have no obligation to quote anything. woohoo! comparing shape's town and scum games, as town he works through his reads in posts more often and as scum he posts a lot more short comments arguing with other people's reasoning... i supposed i'd call them "well this is weird/wrong/bad" posts. there will be fewer, of course, because he has to consolidate everything into a third of his usual posts per day, but it's the manner that counts, y'know? the one thing i notice about his play compared to his usual meta is that he only posts when he has something to say-- so, no spam (okay, less spam) and no reads-in-progress. this is probably due for the most part to the post restriction, but maybe i'm buying too much into that. shape is null to me for now but i expect to have a read on him once he posts more. i would not vote him yet. also, his supposed self-consciousness is probably not super alignment-indicative. | ||
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On April 24 2016 05:17 GlowingBear wrote: 11 This makes no sense at all. Are you the vigi? you've seen gumshoe's filter, right? because it totally makes sense to me. he defended sl for most of d1, joined wagons that made no sense, and then after the sl flip conceded to his own lynch. he's completely off of his normal town game (somehow in a post-restricted game he has fewer walls of text) and makes no sense to keep around. the only reason to possibly tr him is "too scummy to be scum". [plus, gumshoe pls, you can't use my super secret spew tactics and not at least try to get some benefit out of it] and yes i am the vig look in my filter for the claim + crumbs | ||
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On April 25 2016 02:12 gumshoe wrote: kewl : D as for fighting my lynch, it doesnt matter what I say, I've fucked up enough that theres always going to be some doubt and I dont want that bringing town down. I made the mistake of signing up for a game off the high of another, I've done that before but I simply did not learn my lesson then, without the actual will to devote the effort. None of that matters though, because the dude with that very excuse was scum and given my role in saving him no amount of effort on my part should ever clear me in this position. gg good luck town. yeah, as genuine as this seems, I don't ever want to take someone to LyLo like this. too many question marks, and there'd always be that question in the back of my mind, "was that concession fake?" BUT, you can salvage this, gumshoe. if you are town, use your position as future confirmed townie to leverage your reads. I hate to see townies give up like this because I know you can still be useful. | ||
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On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective I originally liked this post, but now I'm just okay with it. Seeing SL flip has made me consider whether this was a bus, and I must say I'm not sure. It would be a rather premature bus, though, so I'll dole out one townie point for this. On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up this is weird because GB made these nice points on SL and then played them down as not very important. I revoke the town point and substitute a scum point. On April 22 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: + Show Spoiler + Damdred On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] Awkward jokes from Damdred gives me scumvibes. Yet, this is illogical so I will just put this as NAI. Still, it's relevant for me to say I don't like this opening. On April 20 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote: This is actually a towny type thought dyh Ca do the town pile for now. 5 Same reaction I had to DYH post, which makes me think Damdred is likely to be town. On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game. While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game. SL is obviously null Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons) LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum. Again, same reaction as me. Damdred is most likely town. DoYouHas On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. This post stroke me as town. I like the analysis DYH, it felt genuine and it's actually an okay suspicion. - LightningStrike On April 20 2016 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: I finally got my prayers answered by RNGJesus and it got me town for the first time in a Lex game. I do fin the vote by gum kinda weird due to his reasoning. His rerasonig is pretty saying he doesn't want a Donald Trump in this game although I don't blame it might happen :\ I don't like this post from LS because it's clearly he got it was a joke from Damdred, then gumshoe's vote must also be a vote. It shouldn't be suspicious. Leaning scum. On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote: kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion. Nitpicking. You're mafia. - gumshoe On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote: you assume I meant it as a joke : P I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice, ! he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / : I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias. 1: it would be fluff (policy lynch) 2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable. Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses. so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia. the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / : also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this, (his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically. new section- why gumshoe is wrong. 1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh 2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce. 3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed. 4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh 5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P overall case stability-3/10 Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points. On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote: admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong, ##unvote this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels. slight townie read (5) Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum. On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote: -_- bitch, you know how I am speaking of overanalysis I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op slight scum lean. Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/ - Tumblewood On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain. I like this questioning very much. Townie points. This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further. Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point: Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike this whole post is good. yea I want to keep GB around for a while. On April 24 2016 05:05 GlowingBear wrote: 8(?) Tell me the logical basis of "one of the underwhelming players is surely Mafia" Every Mafia member can be active and doing stuff. Being "underwhelming" doesn't necessarily means someone is Mafia. There is no rule that "in every game, there is always an underwhelming Mafia player" This is just an easy excuse to call people Mafia. I want you to give me real reasons to why you think someone is Mafia. I don't even know who this post is talking to but I like it. GB is probably town, or if he's not, a scum taking advantage of a poor town presence a la Artanis in XX. He's worth keeping around for a while because he's the only one actually doing anything besides maybe Koshi and me. I also can't decide which pains me more: to see Koshi wasting posts like this, or to see everyone else be so conservative/AFK when they're never going to hit that 40+5 post cap anyway. This is a dangerously poor town atmosphere that could lead to an easy and unopposed mafia victory like in NSM XX. | ||
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On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. this is a good post. at least one and a half town points for this one. On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote: Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline. HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances. Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore. I like how DYH evaluates HtS here, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't oppose the fact that you read Shape like that, but tbh I don't think that reasoning is very good for evaluating him. On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote: Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts. Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS. Damdred said something about clarification being townie, and I definitely agree. On April 22 2016 06:55 DoYouHas wrote: @koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum. @the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious: I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with. I just don't understand the logic behind this read. On April 22 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote: There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish. I guess kinda town for trying to evaluate whether the wagon is on the right track. DYH's filter is decent, but it was also decent in XX where he was scum. I am seeing a lot of parallels between the two games, and if I see DYH-- or anyone, for that matter-- skating by with a tiny filter by D3 or D4 I'm confiscating their town points. Not a good lynch now though. | ||
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I don't plan on being useless anymore, but reading the thread is hard, so this is where I'm at before actually reading any pages starting with the number 3 town me - me koshi - koshi ??? shape - is it even shape if he doesn't spam? gumshoe - prob did something stupid and confirmed himself fidei - koshi seems angry about him which makes him either confirmed town or confirmed scum hts - don't sheep me on this especially because I've just skipped over most WoTs, aka all of her posts tt - he's playing this game, right? I seriously forgot scum gb - not sure what the case is but it seems convincing I'm going to catch up now unless someone wants to be nice and sum up the last 36 hours conveniently | ||
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I really don't want to read hts's filter gb and fidei have real cases against them so maybe one of them is scum, I'll look at them next tt looks town still but hasn't gotten out of his comfort zone yet shape is really blendy, but that's probably a result of being inactive so it's NAI yw, going to make three more posts and then afk-vote someone  | ||
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shitty omgus? check hopelessly tunneled? check neither side decisively winning? check definitely a TvT argument | ||
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this is a shitty reason and very easy to refute, but he's responding from a ground of "nah you guys are so silly I'm confirmed town" then again, I'd expect him to prioritize his survival a lot more if he were last scum hmmm not seeing anyone more convincing though | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:38 Fidei86 wrote: FWIW, one of the reasons I've been nervous about HTS (and also sometimes not nervous) was that I am fairly sure at least someone on the scum team is familiar enough with my meta to know when something is different with me. I was SHOCKED to be roleblocked. this is 10/10 fidei joins confirmed town club gumshoe Koshi me Fidei --- tt shape hts not confirmed one of the conftowns dies tonight, which leaves tt and shape as our solid lynches for tomorrow. if even one of the non-confirmed towns reveals themselves to be townie, we can lynch the other two and win (or if we get a save, all three) btw fidei/possible medic, don't save me tonight. go for someone who has time to play the game. | ||
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