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On April 29 2016 03:37 justanothertownie wrote: I have a better solution. You talk about whatever you please and I point out if it does not make sense. Like this whole thing. Well now that you know how SL could have been confirmed town I can move on to defend myself against the case then | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:40 justanothertownie wrote: Like I said - he couldn't. But go ahead. If he unvoted serconds before deadline - he was very very likely town. If he didn'tr unvote - he was very very likely scum. OK "confirmed" is not the right word but SL used that word first to describe himself. | ||
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On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: why Rels is scum and more things I should have said yesterday His reads have hardly evolved since D1 D1 reads: Me as top scum, Super as likely scum, GB/JAS as maybe scum. D2 reads: Super as lock scum, me as scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D3 reads: Me as top scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D4 reads: Me/Onegu as scum. Why does this make him scum? Because town has fluid reads. Rels hasn't reacted organically to new information. This is the opposite of the truth. I have suspected almost everybody in the game, but more than that my reads have evolved with every event that happened in the thread. And it's not only me who's saying it, here is rsoul's take on it: On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy ^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: This is how he reacted to me misremembering an rsoul post: + Show Spoiler [initial reaction on me] + On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote: So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. This is an unnatural way to react to such information. It's a very clean-cut case and should have a pronounced reaction, not an explanation of why it's scummy (not necessary) and a "not believable" (that wording just feels off to me, but maybe it's just confirmation bias). Liar. You didn't "misremember" rsoul post, you explicitely talked about a post of her that didn't exist. This is something townie is very unlikely to do. This is how I caught a scum with his pants down in this game: On July 20 2015 03:07 Rels wrote: It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was: But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason. I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after. On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: His reaction to Super's blue claim: + Show Spoiler [blue claim reaction] + He sees Super claim "PR" right before being lynched, and asks which one. There's no evaluation of whether that means he's scum or town; he's not determining Super's alignment when he really should. What did you expect a townie to do here ? Can you quote a reaction of a townie this game to prove your point ? Superbia's claim timing was exactly at the time where he would fakeclaim as scum, so I was suspicious of it. On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: 2. He's pressuring wagons regardless of his vote D1: Rels keeps asking me questions after his initial scumread of me, and he adds his own reasons to the Superbia wagon, but he does not ever try to change the course of the lynch when it goes from me to Super to GB. D2: 9 votes on Super. Pushing wasn't really necessary (not that Rels didn't do it). D3: He's pressuring Shape but also doesn't want people to vote him over me, which is a total conflict of interest. D4: He pressures me hard (arguably harder than Onegu) but keeps his vote on Onegu. D1: Wrong, I tried to get you lynched. I was also OK with Superiba lynch though, especially with you not voting him. D2: ???? I don't understand what you are saying here. I voted for the claimed scum D2 and didn't pressure you that much if I remember right. D3: ???? If you read my filter you would see that I scumread you way more than him so I don't undersatnd what you are saying here. D4: ???? wrong. I pressured you both. On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: Why is this scummy? His votes do not reflect who he tries hardest to get lynched. If you want someone to get lynched on any one day (the indicator of this is who you are voting), you should push that person, but he does not push the person he is voting harder than the other wagons. So this is all wrong as written above. On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: 3. He jumped onto my wagon D1 for worse reasons than he had for Superbia + Show Spoiler [superbia stuff] + On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote: I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? On April 17 2016 04:05 Rels wrote: Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia. On April 17 2016 04:06 Rels wrote: Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum His reasons for me were that I messed up, but his reasons for Superbia were that he was actually covertly scummy. Why is this scummy? A good player such as Rels should be able to determine what is alignment indicative and what is not, and he decided that a read based off of a tunnel-y focus and a fuckup was good enough to switch off of one based on how scum acts when they're actually trying not to get found out. No. What you did was the scummiest thing done all game, apart from Superbia fakeclaiming and Superbia townreading Onegu for no reason. Townies do not make up reason to explain their behaviour. On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote: 4. PoE Assuming I am town, as has been the thread consensus since D1  (I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a big reason I think Rels is scum)Can't arguee against that. Apart from saying that it's quite opportunistic that you tried to switch your target to SL yesterday, only to be back in full force to me right now when I'm your easiest target if you're scum. p: | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote: wtf you know that rsoul post that we've been talking about it's right here right goddamn here hahahaha nice try ^^ I was freaking out Here is your question to her On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub? this post you're quoting is AFTER your question so that couldn't be the reason of your question. | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:53 Tumblewood wrote: not quoting the post because I'd like to see it as I type this, but it should be obvious I'm responding to rels. each number is what rels says between the quotes. 1. you've hardly suspected anyone who was not a lynch candidate. 2. see my last post. 3. you were suspicious, but you had nothing to say at that point about his alignment. the only acceptable explanation for this is that you wanted him to prove it by hardclaiming, which is... eh, I guess that makes sense, but doesn't really help much. 4. if you wanted to get me lynched, you should have talked to people about that besides me. also, scumread != pressure. 5. ditto 6. neither does scum. there is no scum agenda for that. also see my last post. 7. I was frustrated with sl for tossing his vote around but never said I thought we should lynch him. 3. Show me what the other townie did that I did not do. Everything else doesn't counter what I said. | ||
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Yeah, so reacting to the claim. Like I did. | ||
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On April 29 2016 05:02 Tumblewood wrote: and yes it does counter what you said (except maybe 4.) How so ? You admited 2 and 6 weren't true. And 1 is retarded, there is a reason why I scumread scum or scummy people the most - because they were scummy. I suspected JAT D2, gumshoe at the start of D1, I was wary of SL and rsoul for some time - I didn't push for tjeir lynches because they were townie eventually. | ||
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My way of reacting to this claim doesn't make me scum. Me reacting at all is a town indicator 'cause partners are most likely to be careful about their partner's interactions. Stop BSing. | ||
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Gonna wait for deadline then go to sleep | ||
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See you tomorrow (= | ||
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If sl is scum it is the normal kill If tumble is scum he basically admitted he was going to kill jat yesterday | ||
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