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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:04 GMT
#2626
On April 26 2016 02:03 Onegu wrote:
She gave me a caveat

So? You 2 were her 2 mafia reads. The rest of the alive people is either confirmed or a super strong townread to her.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:05 GMT
#2629
On April 26 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 26 2016 02:00 sicklucker wrote:
On April 26 2016 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:
A lot of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean noone does.


but its actually so bad...

So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.


when you townread someone they are less likely to be lynched. half the reads in mafia are like a cool kids club. one person says it and the next person agrees

This is not how this game works. If you give a townread to someone who obviously doesn't deserve it you just make yourself suspicious to other people for no reason at all.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:06 GMT
#2631
Taking a break.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:14 GMT
#2635
On April 26 2016 02:09 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 26 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
On April 26 2016 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 26 2016 02:00 sicklucker wrote:
On April 26 2016 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:
A lot of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean noone does.


but its actually so bad...

So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.


when you townread someone they are less likely to be lynched. half the reads in mafia are like a cool kids club. one person says it and the next person agrees

This is not how this game works. If you give a townread to someone who obviously doesn't deserve it you just make yourself suspicious to other people for no reason at all.


all early town reads are "vibes" or pretty much just leaps of faith on really thin shit. subtle things like calling someone town puts ideas in peoples heads that they are infact town

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:15 GMT
#2636
Goddamnit.
This only works if you yourself have any towncred which super didn't have.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:34 GMT
#2640
On April 26 2016 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If there's a reason to avoid lynching him, I don't really see it.
I tried to look back and see if there's something I could read into (not saving the RB) but there really isn't. There's just nothing there that I can make sense of aside from some reads that aren't good.

I know. But the more time passes the more I want to kill tumble for not giving a single fuck about being in LYLO.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 17:58 GMT
#2646
God, tumbles filter is so much more work than SL or Onegus. And there is so much shit in it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:00 GMT
#2648
On April 26 2016 02:59 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:
I love how invested tumble is in this LYLO though.

Well either his partner is dying or a mislynch is happening. In the first case he does not have the towncred to change the lynch, in the other he doesn't need to do anything.

Thank you for this very helpful and deep analysis.


If tumble is mafia he is probably with SL btw.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:09 GMT
#2655
Onegu I am waiting for your cases btw.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:18 GMT
#2664
On April 26 2016 03:16 Rels wrote:
JAT & OWS thoughts on that ?
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.

SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.

Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.

Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.

In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.


I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:19 GMT
#2665
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:22 GMT
#2670
On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.

Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.

Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:27 GMT
#2674
On April 26 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:
On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.

Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.

Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.

Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make.

Not really. If Onegu is town and gets mislynched this doesn't matter at all.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:33 GMT
#2680
Tumble filter dive 2.0:

This has been discussed to death but it is really bad:
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.

On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.

But it especially makes no sense considering what his reason to scumread Super is afterwards:
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:

null
most people

don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him

could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot

"Saying super is mafia because of burnout is a huge conclusion leap""Super is mafia because afk"
This doesn't work together very well. Also the "prefer vig shot" doesn't make any sense.

Shapelog made a meta case on tumble somewhere which he requoted before he got lynched. That was pretty on point. Examples of what mafia tumble is more likely to post than town tumble are those things:
On April 17 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
"Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier."
"Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul."

On April 19 2016 02:41 Tumblewood wrote:
OWS what is the point of these emoticons
"oh no he felt angry face he must be town"

On April 18 2016 06:00 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoultin why did you switch from "total scumlord tumblewood" to "eh i could shenanny gb"
ooh didn't see the reversal coming didya


Eod1 this was what made me townread tumble:
On April 17 2016 05:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i don't really see a way to not die here, so i'm going to just let you all vote me as long as i get 80 minutes of you listening to me and not treating me like i'm scum

I don't think it is impossible for him to do it as mafia though?


That was part 1. Part 2 will follow soon.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:43 GMT
#2687
Let's have a look at tumbles read progression on super eod1.

On April 17 2016 05:42 Tumblewood wrote:
pls lynch rsoul tomorrow
pls vig shoot superbia tonight
for the record i was only focusing on rsoul because the rest of you were european and asleep and ows and sl were boring

Still going for the vig shoot for whatever reason.
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
fazers you voted me why did you vote me
palmar why are you voting superbia
rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?

Why is he questioning Palmar about his superbia read then?
On April 17 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:
"me to a degree"
there are only two ways to go with me:
either i am the scummiest scum scummer to ever scum scum and your name is rels, or
i am town who fucked up and you are a kind compassionate soul who is voting superbia

People voting superbia = good.
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now

erm, what?
On April 17 2016 06:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 06:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now

uh... how do you know that it won't just make you the hero and superbia flips mafia?

everyone on me is dead set because i bsed some reasoning earlier
i don't feel that good that superbia will flip mafia
if he doesn't it goes D1 town dies D2 town dies

So he isn't mafia. But where is the difference to any other potential townie dying over Tumble?
On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:35 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
fazers you voted me why did you vote me
palmar why are you voting superbia
rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?


this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow

which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful?

not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it
do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what


???

nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place

i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?

because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself
for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything


okay so let's play a game here

you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well

give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them

superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)

Now he is mafia again? Maybe?

It doesn't make any sense. At best he is unsure about supers alignment and in that case he ALWAYS ALWAYS votes him to save himself. He voted a guy he genuinely thought was a bad lynch in storm to save himself.

End of part 2. To be continued.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:48 GMT
#2689
On April 20 2016 11:32 Tumblewood wrote:
Is your whole scum strategy "make myself as annoying to lynch as possible" to survive? Because the annoying is definitely there, seriously getting tired of pursuing this.

This is Tumbles scum strategy if he is mafia btw.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 18:57 GMT
#2699
So part 3 is about tumble + potential mafia 3:

If you read tumbles filter you notice that he interacts/talks with almost everyone. Especially when he is about to be lynched he asks specific people to do stuff. He does this to everyone.
Well, almost everyone. The people he does not do that to are Superbia and Sicklucker.
For the biggest part of his filter (until LYLO basically) he more or less completely ignores Sicklucker. He interacts with Rels quite a bit gets pushed by him repeatedly. It doesn't seem very likely they are together. He even interacts/talks about Onegu. But not SL.
All that he says early in the game about him is this:
On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
rels still picking the low-hanging fruit
didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read
rsoul you have some important questions to answer

protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town

Which should indicate a mafia read, right? Still he doesn't really push that or reason it out at all. I know there is one post to rsoultin where he asks why she is going for GB and not for Onegu/SL but SL is just a listed name there.

Later he completely "forgets" about this read though.
On April 19 2016 11:37 Tumblewood wrote:
SL: He's cocky in the right way, and his curiosity about the vig seems genuine.

SL suddenly town in a listpost where he has to be included.
On April 21 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel comfortable about my town circle now, it's probably not changing anymore, bar a scum claim. My feeeels have been working overtime this game.

town
jat
rels
gum
ows
onegu

probably also town
sl

not town
shape
rsoul

SL "probably" town. But not even as town as Onegu. Why? Who the fuck knows!
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads.
Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them.
I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat

We need to get shape lynched and then Onegu/jat/rels. Where on earth has is SL?
On April 23 2016 11:53 Tumblewood wrote:
is this what a ten page filter feels like? are you also looking at my filter with similar dread because you don't want to read 200 posts? anyhoo, current status is

me gumshoe ows = 100% town

sl = 80% town

rels = 60% town

onegu = 20% town

i guess that leaves 40% of a townie for jat but that's not enough because he looks at least equal to rels if not townier, maybe they could take some towniness from sl and be split 55/55

btw don't read page 105 or most of 104 unless you want in on my ramblings which are spread out among 40 posts

Ah, he is 80% town again suddenly. Why? No idea!
On April 23 2016 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 03:49 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence.
It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose.
So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine.

I mean, I did get drunk last night. But this post pleading not to get yourself voted off before I even flip makes no sense.

Lets play a great game Tumble. If I am not scum, and tomorrow is lylo. Who would you vote and why?

Also why can't SL be scum here as well?

Onegu and then Rels the next day. I'm 80% sure no one else is scum.
SL is not scum because he's totally in line with his town meta by being cocky all game and he's not triggering my spidey senses in any way. He's at most the third scummiest in the game and would just be a stupid person to lynch at this point.

I guess for the age old reason that he is being cocky again. But then why was he only probably town in between? And where is the scumread from earlier gone?


Basically tumble avoids talking about SL before LYLO (and what he says there is really really shallow) as much as he can and his read progression on him makes 0 fucking sense.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 19:00 GMT
#2700
I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.

But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.


justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 19:02 GMT
#2703
It doesn't help that neither tumble nor SL did really anything today while Onegu was set to be lynched.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
April 25 2016 19:03 GMT
#2706
And now that tumble is in danger again he is magically back again. This is so awful.
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