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On April 26 2016 23:15 sicklucker wrote: you know i was just trolling yesterday right? bored out of my mind you cant seriously take me seriously yesterday. I knew onegu was flipping mafia Bam caught him TMI let's gooooooo
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On April 26 2016 23:35 Rels wrote: How did you obtain the stats of "how many times a certain word was used in 5 games" in only 1 hour ? I'm curious Search bar, gives you all the posts with that word
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I'm seriously sick of playing mafia and actually reading people right now but I swear tonight I'll be kinda useful
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why Rels is scum and more things I should have said yesterday
His reads have hardly evolved since D1
D1 reads: Me as top scum, Super as likely scum, GB/JAS as maybe scum. D2 reads: Super as lock scum, me as scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D3 reads: Me as top scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D4 reads: Me/Onegu as scum.
Why does this make him scum? Because town has fluid reads. Rels hasn't reacted organically to new information. This is how he reacted to me misremembering an rsoul post: + Show Spoiler [initial reaction on me] +On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. On April 17 2016 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote: ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember Not believable. ##Vote Tumblewood This is an unnatural way to react to such information. It's a very clean-cut case and should have a pronounced reaction, not an explanation of why it's scummy (not necessary) and a "not believable" (that wording just feels off to me, but maybe it's just confirmation bias). His reaction to Super's blue claim: + Show Spoiler [blue claim reaction] + On April 17 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:Which one He sees Super claim "PR" right before being lynched, and asks which one. There's no evaluation of whether that means he's scum or town; he's not determining Super's alignment when he really should.
2. He's pressuring wagons regardless of his vote D1: Rels keeps asking me questions after his initial scumread of me, and he adds his own reasons to the Superbia wagon, but he does not ever try to change the course of the lynch when it goes from me to Super to GB. D2: 9 votes on Super. Pushing wasn't really necessary (not that Rels didn't do it). D3: He's pressuring Shape but also doesn't want people to vote him over me, which is a total conflict of interest. D4: He pressures me hard (arguably harder than Onegu) but keeps his vote on Onegu.
Why is this scummy? His votes do not reflect who he tries hardest to get lynched. If you want someone to get lynched on any one day (the indicator of this is who you are voting), you should push that person, but he does not push the person he is voting harder than the other wagons.
3. He jumped onto my wagon D1 for worse reasons than he had for Superbia
+ Show Spoiler [superbia stuff] +On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote: Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him. I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? On April 17 2016 04:05 Rels wrote: Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia. UOTE] On April 17 2016 04:06 Rels wrote:On April 16 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote: Actually why not.
##vote: rsoultin
Let's see what this brings. Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum [/QUOTE] His reasons for me were that I messed up, but his reasons for Superbia were that he was actually covertly scummy. Why is this scummy? A good player such as Rels should be able to determine what is alignment indicative and what is not, and he decided that a read based off of a tunnel-y focus and a fuckup was good enough to switch off of one based on how scum acts when they're actually trying not to get found out. 4. PoE Assuming I am town, as has been the thread consensus since D1 (I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a big reason I think Rels is scum)
+ Show Spoiler +also remember this On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote: I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote: And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: where I'm at right now:
null most people
don't want to lynch gumshoe because innocent town rels because actually trying ows because actually trying palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot yeah that's because I can disagree with someone's scumread that attributes AFKness to scum burnout and still believe in shooting AFKs
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Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing) SL has also been joining in which has me worried
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On April 27 2016 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 07:33 sicklucker wrote: acualy rels never kills obi I think? obi was never voting rels in 100 years. rels would have killed fucking jat almost all hetime. im cool to vote tumble today acualy This is 100% true. No-lynching is always the better play here though, there is no drawback to doing it. - Rels, three posts before he votes me
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both Rels and sicklucker knowingly making a play that gives town less chance of winning Can you not see that they're (one of the two, the other's just bad) trying to seal the deal early?
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On April 29 2016 01:13 sicklucker wrote: tumbleweed I jsut voted to save you. You would have been lynched with a 2-2 tie because me and rels voted to lynch you before you and jat voted no lynch. rels just said he was never changing so If I was scum here all I have to do is keep my vote on you and I win the game.
Ok so sicklucker is officially confirmed town we can move on with are lives. Hell i might even be the nk now. So now that you can focus on one person now tumble maybe you can not shit the bed I am Do you want me to copy and paste my case on Rels or will you go back one page
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On April 29 2016 01:56 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing) SL has also been joining in which has me worried tumble if your posting the truth here then I should be confirmed town to you now. because you clearly believed rels was never changing his vote you're not truly confirmed town, but you might as well be because I'm not voting you over rels. you can't just do something and then tell us that it means you're confirmed town.
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On April 29 2016 03:03 sicklucker wrote: I just did. and from your pov I should be so I dont know why your arguing it. I can understand rels arguing it over you let's be honest here: scum kills jat tonight, and then it's me vs rels with you as the hammer. there's no way in a million years that both I and Rels vote you tomorrow, so you get to gloat about how confirmed you are if you want. happy?
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On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote: so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread
i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer
@fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place wtf you know that rsoul post that we've been talking about it's right here right goddamn here
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not quoting the post because I'd like to see it as I type this, but it should be obvious I'm responding to rels. each number is what rels says between the quotes.
1. you've hardly suspected anyone who was not a lynch candidate. 2. see my last post. 3. you were suspicious, but you had nothing to say at that point about his alignment. the only acceptable explanation for this is that you wanted him to prove it by hardclaiming, which is... eh, I guess that makes sense, but doesn't really help much. 4. if you wanted to get me lynched, you should have talked to people about that besides me. also, scumread != pressure. 5. ditto 6. neither does scum. there is no scum agenda for that. also see my last post. 7. I was frustrated with sl for tossing his vote around but never said I thought we should lynch him.
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On April 29 2016 04:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote:On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote: so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread
i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer
@fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else
slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place wtf you know that rsoul post that we've been talking about it's right here right goddamn here hahahaha nice try ^^ I was freaking out Here is your question to her Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub? this post you're quoting is AFTER your question so that couldn't be the reason of your question. man, I was all excited for a second there
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On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. This is basically a claim. Great. Staying on GB then.
On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. nice, last minute "claim"
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and yes it does counter what you said (except maybe 4.)
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On April 29 2016 05:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 05:02 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. This is basically a claim. Great. Staying on GB then. On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. nice, last minute "claim" Yeah, so reacting to the claim. Like I did. -_- it's about how you reacted
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I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters.
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On May 01 2016 16:27 sicklucker wrote: Everything in onegu spews tumble mafia. So I sapose ill just give that weird fucking day one shit the benifit of the doubt since there is almost equal evidence supporting the other side Everything in Onegu spews. He knew he would get lynched at some point by virtue of being Onegu and not trying, especially on D4, so I am content to write off most of his behavior as WIFOM. But then... at what point did Superbia know he was a dead man? I suppose it would be when he saw that Palmar quote you posted, or perhaps immediately after deadline. For sure everything from ten minutes after deadline until he died for real. note to self, tomorrow morning: reread D1 deadline to see when Supervisor was for sure dead
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On May 01 2016 17:27 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote: I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. ? im done playing dude im probably not gonna log on till 1 hour till vote to humor you.. You had fucking 90 hours shit
On May 01 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 16:53 Tumblewood wrote: I didn't read anything on 163 (I assume it's mostly you too) but holy shit I'm actually hyped to play tomorrow. Although it's about one in the morning right now and I need to sleep, I'll get my game face on for tomorrow knowing that it really matters. You're basically admitting you were fake AFK for 60 hours and only posted when you see you had a chance to not get lynched. no i'm never fake afk, just didn't expect anything much to happen yesterday or the day before, because come on there are three people in this game what's going to happen in the first 60 hours that couldn't happen in the last 12
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I don't have a super convincing argument for why I'm town, + Show Spoiler +my town play is usually scummy enough to get lynched anyway but there are a couple things that make me look good.
The most compelling thing IMO is how certain I was that Shape is scum
On April 23 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote: Shape I'm not getting caught up in this. You're scum and either trying to fake distance from me or get my lynched and I won't deal with either of those. Right now all I care about are the people whose alignments are in question, and that's not you. and also when I thought I was going to die before JAT unvoted me last second
On April 23 2016 06:56 Tumblewood wrote: if you lynch me and do not lynch jas -> onegu for the next two days i will be an overpowering mass of salt
On April 23 2016 06:56 Tumblewood wrote: and you wanna know the real shitty reason i voted super
On April 23 2016 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: shape said "tumble did't vote for survival" and i felt like if i switched he would just yell at me for onlyswitching then
On April 23 2016 06:58 Tumblewood wrote: but he took it so out of context that ihe ignored the plan gotta suicide for those informations and i have the informations now kill shape kill onegu thank you Of course, there is also the whole Superbia fakeclaim thing that has been discussed to death. I admit it took me probably three instances of casing it for me to understand why it would even make me town, but from what I get Super fakeclaimed to try to get some votes temporarily off of him (and onto meeee) though he was almost certainly going to die the next day for it. I checked the timestamps of all the relevant posts and I don't think it was a "GB vs Superbia fight" at the time when he fakeclaimed (or at least got the idea to). JAT was the only one openly favoring a GB lynch at that time.
also does it count as a reason if I say that I never tried to bus and I was rarely right because usually scum is more correct than I was and tries to extract town cred when their partners get lynched
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