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On April 20 2016 10:26 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 07:09 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 20 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:On April 20 2016 06:16 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Since you are here super, can you like spitball ideas about the game? Just like things that you think off the top of your head etc. You're in my PoE scum list. Together with TW and SL. Maybe RSO scum. Maybe Obi bc TMI. SL/TW/JAS Gut feeling is that there is a scum here. why? do you not see all the wine in front of superbia's dead body? shape has contributed impressively little for a six-page filter; all his reads are short or unoriginal (or occasionally outright bad) or most of all nonexistent
yeah you're just scum to me. i keep trying to see it in another light and it's simply not happening. the facts are this:
you would vote for gb (null read) but not for super (scum read) for survival (and super is now confirmed mafia rb)
super has you in his scum list with palmar and sl but never really pushes you until d2, and you only make the list after you were caught lying
you lied about why you said something. no ifs ands or buts
oh, and this one's more personal but still good: you townread jat for shutting down the doc cc but not me, even though i did it first and it's now clear that super was the mafia rb which means i should be about 100x more likely to be town to everyone, since his doc claim could only be an attempt to draw out the doctor and both jat and i would have to have been actively working against our wincon to do as we did. that you recognized this was a town trait but didn't apply it to both is highly suspect
tw for d3 lynch ^^ lock it in folks
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On April 20 2016 10:34 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:19 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:16 Tumblewood wrote:
TW approved townies
gumshoe
jat
also probably town
rels
sl
ows
not lynching
onegu
lynch pool
rsoul
jashape
sheeping me is encouraged well you're missing at least one and delusional besides given how little cred you have this game...but really i'd rather know your reasons fleshed out and if super's flip has effected any of these reads any Super's flip has not affected those reads, really, because everyone stood in the same position on him. Maaaybe ows for his "lynching uncc'd doc bad" comment, but I don't think that's ows trying to save his obviously hopeless scum partner. Of course I have no cred you're not allowed to have cred until you have thirty games played (ignoring the part where half the game is scumreading me), but that doesn't mean I don't want people to listen to me. And lack of cred doesn't mean lack of right  I'm also not missing one... that's eight and four have flipped and one is me
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meh shape i really cba tbh...it would require more than a filter dive cause it's generally about being disassociated with the thread and a filter dive doesn't show that. might bother next day phase if i'm not nk'd ^^
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On April 20 2016 10:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:34 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 08:18 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 08:12 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 07:55 gumshoe wrote:I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense. I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist. no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AKQVTun.gif) he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD he would destroy you and eat your babies you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD)
pssst ise got a secret for you >> sl is totes my town-bro this game
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On April 20 2016 10:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:44 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 10:34 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 08:18 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 08:12 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 07:55 gumshoe wrote:I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense. I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist. no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made. he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD he would destroy you and eat your babies you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD) pssst ise got a secret for you >> sl is totes my town-bro this game psshhhh there are no town bros, only slightly less suspicious players.
pssst you're my town-bro too ^^ ise not afraid to be wrong! \o/
circle of townie wonderness: gum,jat,sl
prooooobably rels but i do want to poke back through his filter cause he can scum it up with the best of them lol, we'll call him an honorable mention
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On April 20 2016 10:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:48 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 10:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:44 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 10:34 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 08:18 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 08:12 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 07:55 gumshoe wrote:I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense. I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist. no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made. he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD he would destroy you and eat your babies you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD) pssst ise got a secret for you >> sl is totes my town-bro this game psshhhh there are no town bros, only slightly less suspicious players. pssst you're my town-bro too ^^ ise not afraid to be wrong! \o/ circle of townie wonderness: gum,jat,sl prooooobably rels but i do want to poke back through his filter cause he can scum it up with the best of them lol, we'll call him an honorable mention what a murdery family XD
lol that's the beauty of it no? idk i think i'm just going to pretend my kinda could be townie feelings on shape are stronger than they are for now...like he was pretty meeeeh without scummates to buss in our last game, just lots of fluff, and there's more to chew on here from what i can see. that "scum is in here" though with super if shape is scum is so totally the sorta thing he'd pull though lol ><
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On April 20 2016 10:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:48 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 10:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:44 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 10:34 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 08:18 gumshoe wrote:On April 20 2016 08:12 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 07:55 gumshoe wrote:I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense. I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist. no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made. he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD he would destroy you and eat your babies you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD) pssst ise got a secret for you >> sl is totes my town-bro this game psshhhh there are no town bros, only slightly less suspicious players. pssst you're my town-bro too ^^ ise not afraid to be wrong! \o/ circle of townie wonderness: gum,jat,sl prooooobably rels but i do want to poke back through his filter cause he can scum it up with the best of them lol, we'll call him an honorable mention
promoting rels to circle of townie wonderness lol fluidity not just in reads but tonally it'll do doggie it'll do
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lol okay yeah
townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons)
townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way)
scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention)
scum: tw lock and load
tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat)
though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^
over and out folkets
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On April 20 2016 11:10 Tumblewood wrote:there are two reasons you should ever scumread me this game: - at eod1 I voted gb even though superbia was scum and gb was null
- one time I also defended my actions by referencing a post that doesn't exist
anything else is stupid and should be replaced by copying and pasting those two points Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 10:36 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 10:26 Tumblewood wrote:On April 20 2016 07:09 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 20 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:On April 20 2016 06:16 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Since you are here super, can you like spitball ideas about the game? Just like things that you think off the top of your head etc. You're in my PoE scum list. Together with TW and SL. Maybe RSO scum. Maybe Obi bc TMI. SL/TW/JAS Gut feeling is that there is a scum here. why? do you not see all the wine in front of superbia's dead body? shape has contributed impressively little for a six-page filter; all his reads are short or unoriginal (or occasionally outright bad) or most of all nonexistent yeah you're just scum to me. i keep trying to see it in another light and it's simply not happening. the facts are this: you would vote for gb (null read) but not for super (scum read) for survival (and super is now confirmed mafia rb) super has you in his scum list with palmar and sl but never really pushes you until d2, and you only make the list after you were caught lying you lied about why you said something. no ifs ands or buts oh, and this one's more personal but still good: you townread jat for shutting down the doc cc but not me, even though i did it first and it's now clear that super was the mafia rb which means i should be about 100x more likely to be town to everyone, since his doc claim could only be an attempt to draw out the doctor and both jat and i would have to have been actively working against our wincon to do as we did. that you recognized this was a town trait but didn't apply it to both is highly suspect tw for d3 lynch ^^ lock it in folks 0. how does the post you quoted support what you said 1. good point, well done 2. idgaf what super said about me 3. good point, but if and 4. I did not remember who said what thing about the guy we were already lynching and only noticed jat did it when gumshoe brought it up rsoul scores 2 out of 4 and a half
i've been known to change my mind but posts like this won't convince me, and you'll never lynch me ever so you'd prob do best focusing your attention somewhere else...i really don't have much more to say unless anyone has something worthwhile to discuss
ciao!
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On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim. As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
<3s sl...no worries. you get your townie points, too, lol
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On April 20 2016 13:06 sicklucker wrote:
No i mean like he was seeing if there was interest. why the hell would you tr him for that. he thought it was a dumb idea
-shrugs- if that were the only reason i had him as town you might have a point, but it's not, so doesn't really matter
my main point is scum doesn't shut down a cc when scum clearly intended to try to get one. it's not just uncoordinated play; it's flat-out stupid and jat isn't stupid
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On April 20 2016 20:26 Onegu wrote:Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing.
oneguuuuuu please tell me the one time you've called me town in ages (apart from that amazing lylo win against ows <3) you're town. pretty please? cause i don't think you are :/
the saaaadness
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On April 20 2016 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 11:55 sicklucker wrote:On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote:lol okay yeah townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat) though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^ over and out folkets hum im pretty sure jat was not all about lynching an un cced doctor. That was me I am pretty sure I said we should lynch him all day and had my vote on him before you said anything about it. If I was mafia with him I would try to make him do things in the qt and not in the thread. Considering his behaviour scum knew the whole day he wouldn't try at all. So why would I ever write something like that when it clearly only gets stupid people to scumread me?
lol okay tbh this abrasiveness is also part of my townread on jat though i'm not sure if he'd do it as scum so that's why i didn't mention it earlier lol >< and no i won't be able to explain the difference between his natural argumentativeness that is often taken wrong and actual abrasiveness so don't even ask. just saying what's part of my read not trying to get anyone to agree
@shape...yeah i'm just calling you town right now. like i get you want me to go into things in depth when it was mostly gut to begin with, and you might be using that to try to read me, but the things i remember are:
- not liking your approach as a smurf in general cause it was annoying to read and just fluffy in a lot of places, though you did point out some decent things in the fluff which is why i wasn't really considering you for a d1 lynch too much
- the eod vote on tumble (this i could still see a scum!shape doing, though ironically i think it's actually more likely if tumble ends up being scum)
- the doc divergence (kinda out of the blue while everyone else is talking about actually relevant things <- and i saw a lot of this in the game we were just scum in)
- the comment on scum being in that list was just soooo like silly scum!shape lol but obv you could do that as town, too
^ none of this makes you scum. some of it i could see coming from scum though so it's hard for me to confidently townread you
that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
so yeah
tldr: just not interested in parsing your filter out when i think you're probably town anyway and other lynches take priority ^^
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also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
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On April 20 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote:
that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too.
unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^)
related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers)
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On April 21 2016 00:12 Rels wrote:
JAT for some reason I thought you voted Superbia D1 ?
Tumble not jumping on Superbia but jumping on GB is a indeed a good point considering Superbia was RB.
well i mean, if that matched his reads it wouldn't be nearly as significant (though still odd)
superbia was one of his scumreads
gb was a nullread
this is what i think never comes from town being lynched here. a town player would have no reason not to vote the counterwagon, especially when he was scumreading him
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On April 21 2016 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:07 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote:
that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too. unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^) related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers) Unsurprisingly I don't have as much or as strong townreads as you do. SL irritates me because not long ago he said I was a really easy townread and this game he is doing everything he can to be able to scumread me. Like calling me "one of the best scummer" or something like that which is extremely uncharacteristic for him. There are other reasons for why he isn't someone I would go for in the near future though. Gumshoe is fine for now. Rels is basically null because there are some townie things and some scummy about him. Not my prefered lynch though. OWS is more or less the same. I would be more confident about him being town had he actually pushed the cc thing. He just complained and did nothing about it. Which sadly is something I could see town Obi do though. Onegu can die in a fire. I never lived in the U.S.?!
bad tina memory! lol sorry (no we don't need to keep talking about this in thread -slinks off-)
okay so we're kinda along the same page then. well idk like i do think it would be worthwhile to go back and make sure ows doesn't have outs and things in-thread and not just go voting rb over possible bad town/possible scum means he's town (not making that mistake again ><) but it does drop him in priority for me
idk though the complaining and doing nothing (i assume you mean in the form of actually voting) is a bit suicidal for you to do as scum when thread sentiment is clearly grinding toward a super lynch? like i know that's not the best reason to townread anyone. i know for a fact it's something i'd be fine doing myself depending on the circumstances. just not really sure ows is that...hm what's the word? brash? arrogant? flashy? as a scum player. from what little experience i've had with his scum game he's more of a simpering blender (<3s ows >> that's not meant to be offensive btw i do the simpering stuff too depending on the situation)
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rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
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On April 21 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2016 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 00:07 rsoultin wrote:On April 20 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote:
that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too. unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^) related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers) Unsurprisingly I don't have as much or as strong townreads as you do. SL irritates me because not long ago he said I was a really easy townread and this game he is doing everything he can to be able to scumread me. Like calling me "one of the best scummer" or something like that which is extremely uncharacteristic for him. There are other reasons for why he isn't someone I would go for in the near future though. Gumshoe is fine for now. Rels is basically null because there are some townie things and some scummy about him. Not my prefered lynch though. OWS is more or less the same. I would be more confident about him being town had he actually pushed the cc thing. He just complained and did nothing about it. Which sadly is something I could see town Obi do though. Onegu can die in a fire. I never lived in the U.S.?! bad tina memory! lol sorry (no we don't need to keep talking about this in thread -slinks off-) okay so we're kinda along the same page then. well idk like i do think it would be worthwhile to go back and make sure ows doesn't have outs and things in-thread and not just go voting rb over possible bad town/possible scum means he's town (not making that mistake again ><) but it does drop him in priority for me idk though the complaining and doing nothing (i assume you mean in the form of actually voting) is a bit suicidal for you to do as scum when thread sentiment is clearly grinding toward a super lynch? like i know that's not the best reason to townread anyone. i know for a fact it's something i'd be fine doing myself depending on the circumstances. just not really sure ows is that...hm what's the word? brash? arrogant? flashy? as a scum player. from what little experience i've had with his scum game he's more of a simpering blender (<3s ows >> that's not meant to be offensive btw i do the simpering stuff too depending on the situation) Erm, yes? That is exactly my point. If he would have been more vocal/stubborn about it I would have a stronger townread on him. That would be flashy/brash etc as mafia. Just complaining about it without doing stuff is more like scum OWS. But yeah he was the first to vote superbia day1 it seems. Good for him.
yeah i see your point ^^ you've also played with him more and i'm honestly skittish about him fooling me again lolol >< i prob should look and see if he gave himself outs like he did before when i missed the obvious. that would be smart. yup
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On April 21 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Ok, if you ever flip scum rels is like 95 % town ^^
lol if you honestly think it's possible for me to flip scum this game, i've really hit the next tier of scum!goddess or you just don't pay enough attention to my play from game to game (which would actually be fair cause yeah pretty sure the brain cancer thing is a widespread opinion)
bueno, where was i going with this?
oh!
yeah d1 vote is dropping back to nai. he was clearly open to shennanies before they happened so it doesn't mean much. i think i'll follow you and null read ows lol >< though it's not substantially any different since i'd probably lynch him before shape anyway
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