EPTTL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3
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The first post I didn't like, which gumshoe also noticed is one from sicklucker: On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early! I went back to see who SL was actually agreeing with and aparently it is no one. It's subtle the way he says gumshoe is scummy for talking about slam (?) only implying it and not taking responsability for it. He doesn't especifically says it is gumshoe who is scummy and makes sure people know it wasn't his idea. Also he makes sure to put that he would never do that because obviously he is town! Probably not enough to make sure someone is scum, but I'll be watching SL closely in my read. | ||
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Nothing wrong with ls and shape either so far. ritoky's not VT comment is pretty random though. | ||
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Still think sicklucker is probably our best bet so far. | ||
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ritoky slam damdred shape and now tumble still in the null territory for me. | ||
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On March 24 2016 12:12 sicklucker wrote: i found him pretty scummy because he choose to focus on slam. I think thats very scummy. I have played like 20 games with slam and stopped trying to figure him out in like the second one. He claimed to have played with him quite a bit. Also it was like 1 hour in and i like da presure! Gumshoe doesn't even focus on slam on his post, he mentions slam along with everybody else. I don't like what sicklucker is saying nor do I like the way he is saying it. The justification here to kurumi at this stage doesn't add up imo, seems like sicklucker is too focused on himself. Very high chance of being mafia. | ||
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Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum. | ||
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Also leaning town on kurumi a bit. Null on rso. I think rels has the wrong idea on ritoky and rso is spreading doubt a bit. Dunno. I find her hard to read. | ||
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I don't really love the jat/superbia/rsoul thing. I don't quite understand why jat interfered in superbia's mini push. He admits rso is good scum, he should want her to get some pressure maybe? Dunno I'm not confortable with jat or rso for that matter at all. Nothing inherently scummy about them, but also didn't jump me as town either. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. Then I came across this post which is actually the reason I made this summary, to get to this point: On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote: Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read. I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch. Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it. I think that is a pretty straight foward and simplistic reason to say someone is scum. You don't risk much, there is no behavior analysis and you don't even narrow it down to the one you do think is scum, nor explains why you excluded the other two. I guess you are on the phone and simply had to post this. But it seems like the real reason why you wanted to make this post is to say everyone scumreading slam is an idiot and you are sure he is town. You might very well be right (I think you are), but it's somewhat uncharacteristic for a townie to be so sure and give such an easy pass for someone who shot a town 5 hours into day 1. I don't think townies want to be made fools off, so that's why I find this certainty strange. | ||
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Also one thing I don't understand regarding the circumstance. Did you send your shot through pm and went to bed? I had the impression you said you were going to reconsider it and sleep on it before you shot. What happened/made you change your mind? | ||
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On March 25 2016 05:26 ritoky wrote: town: ritoky superbia sl shape used to be town, but dropoff after town reads: vivax town leans: jat obi VA don't wanna lynch today, reluctant/hesitant town: koshi dunno cuz no idea what roles are in the game, townish, re-eval later: slam mafia leans: LS tumblewood mafia: rsoul policy: sandroba ticktock no solid opinions: kurumi stutters rels (although me thinking his reads are super bad right now might be alignment indicative) tubesock I think ritoky stole the spot as top town, especially with the post talking to ls before this one. These reads are pretty simillar to mine so far, given some adjustments. | ||
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rsoul - not much follow up or questioning in her posts, still hung up on this ritoky business and also calls shape scum. Her reasoning on ritoky was that it didn't seem genuine and it his plan would never achieve nothing. W/E townie do random things, mafia rarelly does so, and mafia never tries to uncover blues like that, it's retarded. Half the townies would probably not even recognize the vehicle and then mafia would have to shoot into a big pool of people either way. Not a mafia plan and the way he felt it was so great and defended his own plan kind of proud of himself means town. Also he posted more stuff which if you cared to read are pretty townie. Other person she says may be mafia is shapelog who is one of my strongest town reads atm. And she never talks about the whole Slam deal, she doesn't talk about it seems unfased by it and doesn't seem to care what slam's alignment is. She simply ignored the event and derived some koshi superficial read from it like it meant nothing. So rsoul being terribly wrong and ignoring stuff that points to town on people means she is probably mafia. tumblewood - he seems disconnected from the game making superficial reads. Nothing screams scum in his posting besides maybe the certainty slam is town as I mentioned previously. Not really much to say about him besides nothing he has posted so far makes me feel he is town and some of it make me feel he might be mafia. slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least. ls and vivax kind of dropped off my town circle for a bit since vivax had a nice burst then felt like he did enough and ls is being kind of useless lately. Not sure I can read him well, I had him as town earlier but now I'm unsure. kurumi I think is probably town. Wouldn't lynch today anyway. VA OWS and Tube, besides not posting much don't jump me as scum. Stutters and TT pretty much gave up on reading, wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them is scum. So my prefered lynch is rsoul, but I can see lynching slam if he stays bitchy and doesn't start to provide us with answers. | ||
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The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote: firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me. it's pretty simple about rsoul though: 1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow. 2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read. 3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative. 4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote: you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got. "explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays. | ||
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Also I don't know how tubesock made into your least of lynches, I guess just by not posting much? And you did like one of his posts, but you chose to vote him to preserve rsoul who wasn't even here defending herself, so I figured you must have had a good town read on her? Also I don't understand your last sentence. | ||
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Also what do you make of the strong hint of I'm blue don't shoot me in her last post? Do you think that's likely a townie mentality at this juncture? | ||
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On March 27 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote: Just pretend he doesn't exist. Are you completely caught up? Yes, why do you ask? | ||
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@jat ? I had limited time with day 1 and honestly I'm not underwhelmed by my content even disregarding that. I don't always have an awesome case day1, nor my analysis is always clever, but I think it has a good chance of being right regardless. I see no reason to change my angle just yet. I've tried looking at things from different angles and they don't seem to fit as nicely as my current thoughts, so i don't see a reason to post thoughts that I don't think are correct. | ||
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And I do believe ritoky to be town almost 100% and rsoul made it clear she believed ritoky to be almost sure mafia and somehow you are not picking on that. Only problem is I think you are so bad at this game and has some sort of beef with me I'm not sure you are mafia based of this post. | ||
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I shot stutters. Apparently mafia made no kills or they got blocked / protected. | ||
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SL is very very likely town unless some sort of cc happens. | ||
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What makes you so sure he is mafia? All I can read is that you think he could do that plan thing as mafia, which doesn't make him mafia at all. He is right that you are not considering anything else and is tunneled on this idea without adding any other value to the thread. You can't say he is mafia for having a scum read on you because I'm town and I do as well, calling it BS doesn't make it go away. Suppose you are wrong about ritoky, who is mafia? If you are town you should be in a unique position to analyse day 1 wagons, should maybe start with that? | ||
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On March 27 2016 09:10 Tumblewood wrote: My inner contrarian wants to think "come on, this is too perfect, this can't be right" but last time I saw a case as good as ritoky's was when Trfel nailed me as scum. I am actually totally okay with sheeping that read. It looks like the kind of hypocrisy present on your comments last game questioning my motives when I was lynching FF last game and you were scum. | ||
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On March 27 2016 10:39 rsoultin wrote: Well honestly I thought you,rit,Kuru ark voters but between your claim which I don't see coming from scrum there and how you're treating me now like you actually care about getting it right, wrong on that Could be wrong on Kurt too but I don't actually think that extreme deep post actually clears him given anyone reading the thread has to know fit and I have been gunning for each other for days I don't remember you saying that you thought I was scum, you treated me as town ytd even when I was going after you. I assume kurt = ritoky? clears him from what exactly? All I hear is people saying ritoky CAN be scum, not exactly explaining why it is likely he is scum. | ||
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On March 27 2016 10:31 Damdred wrote: Idk I still feel like the wagon really points to a town vs town. I don't think RS lack of activity makes her 100% scum, I also don't think rits case makes him lock town either though. Both those things he can do as scum imo. Let's say rels and vivax are mafia, wouldn't that make the wagon ytd more likely town vs mafia? vivax said he would lynch rsoul and said he would sheep me and did neither. rels said something along the lines "i can see rsoul being seen as scum, but not over tube" Both of which seem like a thing mafia would do, not like they would push extremelly hard against the lynch onto a town. I don't understand where people are comming from insisting in this town vs town wagon idea. | ||
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So far you claimed a role that you apparently don't know what it does, it can simply do nothing. Or another reason for not shoot you is because you are an extremelly valuable town asset, which I'm not seeing either. | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:31 justanothertownie wrote: I will try to explain it to you: Obi push tube. Obi go afk. Tube still lynched over rsoultin. Obi surprise cause noone sheep Obi normal. ???????????? Obi conclude people listen to him town and wagon tvt. lmao | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: Ye. I get an item at night and then I can choose to try to make it work at any phase. Then it has a 50% chance of working, so if I were to try to make it work this phase I'd know what it did during the night phase How likely you guys think it is that palmar introduces this kind of variance to the game for no particular reason? I mean some person has to invent something give to the other who can use it the next phase and it has only 50% chance of working and you only know what it does after you use it, you don't even know if whoever invented it is town or not. | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:38 rsoultin wrote: On phone and frankly outplayed is pretty insulting -_- I don't think this is an accurate description of my play at all. Why are you so funneled on me? Because I think you are mafia, I thought that was obivious enough. You say you are sure on ritoky being scum. How else would you describe a mafia making a case on a pretty good townie and getting her lynched? | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:46 Damdred wrote: That puts me on the block to most the game I suppose if not RS zzzz I don't know what this post is refering to. | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:24 Koshi wrote: sicklucker/damdred/tumbleweed/ticktock/ritoky current scumpool. @koshi do you disagree with On March 27 2016 08:33 sandroba wrote: I think it's unlikely SL is lying about the vet thing here. Even if let's suppose mafia witheld their shot so sicklucker could claim vet, it's very risky that town has a vet and finds SL claims suspicious and then he would be fucked for no benefit. Most likely mafia did shoot and their target didn't die, so if SL is mafia it's even riskier to claim because they know for a fact one or more people survived a shot somehow, so vet is very likely. SL is very very likely town unless some sort of cc happens. | ||
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Oh and also slam needs to die too I think. | ||
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On March 27 2016 13:03 justanothertownie wrote: He might also be some sort of SK. I don't think I would claim my shot as SK. Especially considering there were no mafia kills, I would probably just be happy to leave people wondering why mafia shot stutters. I don't think you should make it your job to throw doubt on me jat. I think already enough people are going to tinfoil about that regardless. | ||
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On March 27 2016 13:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you explain Rels and Slam to me? I'm starting to come around on tumble possibly being scum and I'm already aware of the fact that TT needs to die regardless of what he is. Rels is underwhelming, slam isn't doing anything and his reaction to people complaining about his shot is a bit absurd. Those 2 I'm not even slightly certain on though, they could just as likely be town. | ||
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On March 27 2016 13:00 Damdred wrote: I think in the last game we had a bomber and an avenger of sorts. So a day big and a night vig isn't to out there tbh. But yeah I don't think slam's claim makes him mafia, it even makes him more likely town, but I expect him to try and play the game. | ||
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On March 27 2016 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: Call it absurd, it is really demoralizing enough when you come back to a shot like that knowing it was your responsibility. I literally cannot be useful this game; you see this as justification to give away a mislynch? And don't give me bullshit about how you don't know I am town. You have been displaying that in fact, you do, and are now grasping for ml to push. My vote goes on Sandroba. Why? | ||
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On March 27 2016 15:03 Alakaslam wrote: Wishy washy bullshit added for some context I want to lynch him for activity not because he is scum, and whatnot Never comes from town Are you insane? I'm not even pushing for your lynch, I'm voting/pushing rsoultin, I just want you to play the fucking game. Try reading the game in context intead of just skimming until you see your name. | ||
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On March 27 2016 15:08 Alakaslam wrote: I haven't read enough and cannot read enough as I am driving to San Diego every day now because my grandmother fell and is in the hospital. Big family issues now right after I was hugely demoralized to begin with. Once you are lynches I couldn't possibly find any of your teammates as they are probably not as confident I'm sorry to hear that. That sounds like the kind of emergency palmar may find reasonable for you to ask for a replacement. | ||
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Honestly dunno what to make of your claim or the fact that you shot koshi or the fact that he survived. Along with no mafia kp. sigh | ||
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And on your first question it's pretty clear I was on the process of reading the game and figuring out as I went through the thread. I don't see the point of your question. Also I no longer care about slam, I'm just going to assume he is town from now on because if he was faking anger and family issues as scum that is pretty shameful and I don't think anyone here would do that kind of stuff. | ||
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On March 27 2016 21:35 Vivax wrote: Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock? y don't you do that. also why don't you say something about the big elephant in the room which you are ignoring, which is the whole rsoul ritoky ordeal? | ||
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On March 28 2016 09:07 Shapelog wrote: *faceplam* This is inrocic because i literally just got done talking about giving mafia info blah blah blah and then i just got sand to reveal he is one shot. I am such a moron well good to know for the future. well i may be lying. or i may be saying that so mafia thinks i'm lying. etc | ||
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@rsoul supposedly you did get an item today which you can use right? Maybe the effect is ultra pro town and you could pehaps "prove" yourself if the rng is your friend. ' Worth a shot I suppose, it's not like we lack scummy people to lynch. | ||
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sleeping, just woke up and caught up. | ||
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But yeh prob dumb question. | ||
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On March 29 2016 08:52 sicklucker wrote: like im trying to think of players that might have medic saved koshi? like maybe va does that make sense? like I dont fucking know I cant think of anyone nah nobody townie saved koshi. only other explanation is kurumi is mafia or kurumi was roleblocked. | ||
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On March 29 2016 08:57 Koshi wrote: town cpr doc. I feel it in my bones it is a cpr doc. worst theory ever. if you are town why do you even think a cpr doc targeted you n1? why do you apparently agree it's absurd that a town doc would save you n1? | ||
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there is no mention of any refund mechanics on my pm. I seriously doubt kurumi is mafia unless there are 2 mafia teams. I doubt mafia would come out and admit they shot town koshi if they don't know how he survived. Or randomly lie about it on the off chance their medic gets lynched today for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if all vigis are town, considering mafia has a doc and might as well have a vet according to your theory. Honestly I'm impressed at how much koshi has posted, but the easiest explanation is still that koshi is mafia with TT. | ||
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the easiest explanation is that you are mafia. sure mafia could have randomly role blocked kurumi, and we may very well find a better lynch then you tomorrow, but unless more info about this is surfaced you are not a bad kill. | ||
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On March 29 2016 21:38 Vivax wrote: Kurumi first said he would keep it secret if his bullet is refunded and in some post he raged that it wasn't. Surely you need to have some sort of opinion on that? Yes rsoultin should be questioned but why don't you have any questions then, why just tomorrow when the NKs change stuff and you're here now anyway? SL isn't a vet until he flips, he just claims he got shot cause KP was missing, zero evidence of him being even anything except that he constantly flails about his role and talks about little else lately. Why is it an easy explanation that Koshi is mafia with TT? Then you would have to disagree with EVERYONE on my list who tried to lynch him yesterday except rso who for probably wifom tried to keep him safe. Dude why would anyone even claim if he saved Koshi? Just why? It doesn't confirm anyone, it doesn't give info that is as valuable as his role, it only is a gift to mafia. Only an idiot would claim medic or jk or whatever happened for the reasons you say. Why don't you know this? I think you're super scummy now If you are refering to this I chose to ignore it because it's dumb. kurumi says he lost bullet. I have no opinion on that. I think it's plausible. He ask hosts - do i have bullet? - no. what opinion do i need on that? rsoultin questioned - i did ask w/e happened to item, i commented that she didn't tell us shit. It's night, I can't persuade he to do anything. I didn't say sl is vet, but i do think he is, what does that have to do with anything. He could be vet no? you were the one pulling stuff out of your ass saying one of the vigis is mafia, when it's more likely they are all town. sure maybe even the other 2 vigis are mafia, but I have no reason to believe so. why koshi thing is the easiest explanation - Because it is why anyone claim they saved koshi. dunno, the fact is, it is hard to imagine a town doc saving koshi, mafia shooting him, he surviving and mafia coming into the thread saying that the vig'd him and he didn't die, especially with only one flip which came from a town vigi. I get that you don't think koshi is scum because he is spamming the thread, but there are only 3 options: kurumi is mafia fake claiming - this would be pretty random, he had no pressure on him to claim anything, if we lynched koshi and he flipped town kurumi would prob be next mafia roleblocked kurumi - maybe this is the case, I don't find it likely as I believe quite a bit of blues were a bit exposed (especially true if rsoul is town, mafia knew she was prob blue) koshi is mafia and saved by mafia doc - makes sense, TT is flipped mafia doc and they didn't want to lynch each other. koshi was admitedly not behaving acording to his town meta. Doesn't matter how much koshi spams the thread, facts are facts. | ||
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On March 29 2016 23:51 Rels wrote: sandroba have you played with Koshi before ? Yes, last game he was town. Pobably a lot of games prior to that, but he changed quite a bit from what I remember. And I do think that NOW his behavior looks like his behavior last game, but that wasn't true until eod. | ||
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On March 30 2016 00:02 Vivax wrote: You're dumb and bad and scummy. Now we're even and I can talk. Did you fact check if bullet gets refunded? No, scum points for you. You lack suspicion of the other vig and don''t for example go ask for yourself if bullet gets refunded, You.Just.Don't.Care. Well then if you did already ask everything and see nothing left why would you say "Yes yes rsoultin needs to be questioned". Clearly you had nothing concrete in mind and just talked out of your butt. Why do you think SL is vet without any evidence, without looking at how he plays? And why do you base your entire read on Koshi on his activity and Kurumi's alignment? All your reads are just from claims which is also scummy cause they're super easy to make, Explain to me vivax, how can i fact check is bullets get refunded when my shot went through. Palmar does not offer information randomly to people just because they can shoot. You can yourself pm palmar and ask if vigi bullets are refunded? sorry I don't understand the last point. I said in thread "rsoul never told us anything about item". rsoul responded "I'm not going to tonight. It's better that way". maybe you missed that. ofc i say she needs to be questioned tomorrow I think SL is vet because he claimed vet in a day where all mafia kp was soaked. If he is mafia then how does he know other town vet(s) is not going to claim as well and throw suspicion on him. Mafia probably thinks there is a vet since their kp didn't go through, even so you go ahead and claim a role which prob is unique or there is only a few, knowing that one is prob present and has reason to cc you? My read on koshi wasn't because of activity at first, it was because of random reads and him not being pushy/obnoxious/agressive so far. I voted him ytd based on that. If reads based on claims are super easy to make why would I throw away the opportunity to get an easy read on someone? And if they are easy to make why are yours mostly opposite from mine? | ||
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Only claim I think is probably false is rsoul's, cause it was stalled like shit and was made because of pressure. Breadcrumbs make it more beliavable, but there is also possible scenarios where she breadcrumbs this as mafia (either knowing about the engineer role, or being mafia engineer) . But it was worth a shot keeping her alive since she claimed to have an invention made by stutters, which could have an obvious or verifiable effect which would help us sort it out. | ||
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On March 30 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: so rsoultin was mafia. That is bad for me again. Good for town though :/ well vivax was medic and that's points in your favor. | ||
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On March 29 2016 21:38 Vivax wrote: Kurumi first said he would keep it secret if his bullet is refunded and in some post he raged that it wasn't. Surely you need to have some sort of opinion on that? Yes rsoultin should be questioned but why don't you have any questions then, why just tomorrow when the NKs change stuff and you're here now anyway? SL isn't a vet until he flips, he just claims he got shot cause KP was missing, zero evidence of him being even anything except that he constantly flails about his role and talks about little else lately. Why is it an easy explanation that Koshi is mafia with TT? Then you would have to disagree with EVERYONE on my list who tried to lynch him yesterday except rso who for probably wifom tried to keep him safe. Dude why would anyone even claim if he saved Koshi? Just why? It doesn't confirm anyone, it doesn't give info that is as valuable as his role, it only is a gift to mafia. Only an idiot would claim medic or jk or whatever happened for the reasons you say. Why don't you know this? I think you're super scummy now I'm guessing vivax saved koshi lol | ||
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Also I don't see a way around at least one of LS and him being mafia due to d1 votes. On March 26 2016 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Night 1 Votecount for D1 Tubesock (7): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike rsoultin (5): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Damdred (1): sicklucker Tumblewood (0): ritoky (0): Alakaslam (0): sandroba (0): Not Voting (5): Stutters695, Damdred, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood Day 1 ends in . | ||
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ytd he voted TT while saying this and nothing else about him On March 28 2016 12:55 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly think TT could be town based on the fact that in Season of the Witch he called me scum when he was town and I was town that game and in Nutcracker he called me town when I was town while he was scum. I know it might be a bit faulty but it just a meta I remember about TT. He never said anything else about TT. | ||
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On March 30 2016 07:53 LightningStrike wrote: I will make it easier for you guys if you to lynch me ##vote: LightningStrike you said you are going to go full denfense mode, that's the quickest switch to full martyr mode. | ||
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On March 30 2016 07:58 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly lost all my motivation to play seeing that flip and your stupid as fuck OMGUS on me. that's not what omgus is, nor it's stupid as fuck. Fact is that if somehow you are town you've been mafia siding all game hard defending rsoul and soft defending TT. So I would say it's not that stupid to think you are mafia. I'm baffled as to why you even stuck with your rsoul read and was concerned for being killed for it for so long. If you were so damn sure she was town, her flipping mafia and how that would make you look like should have been the last thought in head, yet is something mentioned 5 or more times in your filter. | ||
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On March 30 2016 08:03 Koshi wrote: btw I am sitting here expecting great things from you. Coming in with drowing some dirt on LS is not really what I expected. the rage does look fake koshi. | ||
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On March 30 2016 08:09 LightningStrike wrote: i DIDN'T REALLY DEFEND TT MUCH YOU STUPID ASS MONKEY IDC EVEN CARE IF THIS GETS ME MODKILLED. why are you so mad at me ls and calling me names? | ||
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On March 30 2016 08:22 Damdred wrote: Because jat was shot n1. I'm guessing you are not claiming medic, but something else right? | ||
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this game not only mafia needs info on your role, town also does since no flips. i'm not telling you to tell us if you can save yourself, nor if you saves are limited. Just that the prior medic said that medic = rb and now you are saying you are medic and you targeted jat so you can see where the confusion comes from. just explain how it works | ||
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On March 30 2016 09:14 Damdred wrote: Vivax was a doctor I'm a combat medic I heal he blocks apparently I see thank you. | ||
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Tumble attacking me when I was attacking the person he said was mafia and the case against her he said "was too perfect to be true" is exactly the kind of hypocrisy he pulled off last game, which he quickly back pedaled when I called him out on it. I'm thinking scum team went into full bus mode ytd. | ||
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besides the assossiation shit, these 3 also fit the mode of not doing anything, just like TT and rsoul. | ||
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On March 30 2016 09:49 Tumblewood wrote: [*] asking a lot of meaningless questions (actually a pretty good reason) ? I would think a townie would argue here that his questions were not useless? | ||
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Also when you asked those questions didn't you have any intent behind them? Why do you think your questions were subpar? | ||
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On March 30 2016 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: just seems like an OMGUS disguised as a case tbh. I don't really have anything to say beyond that since I dont think you're scum anymore. I think you said came to the realisation assossiation reads were bad this game twice by now. I'm hoping there is something of substance behind your change of read. | ||
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On March 30 2016 10:11 LightningStrike wrote: sandroba do you accept my apology for calling you a stupid ass monkey? lol i do, i didn't take any offense on it, just found it random. | ||
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On March 30 2016 10:10 sicklucker wrote: i like obi alot better .they basicly played the same but rels voted TT alot earlier nah, i got a tone read on obi that says he is prob town. | ||
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On March 30 2016 10:17 sandroba wrote: nah, i got a tone read on obi that says he is prob town. really, why do you even think ows is mafa? did you even read his filter? | ||
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On March 30 2016 11:56 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred Sand got a question for you. i do? | ||
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and on tumble and on vayne. damdy is almost confirmed town in my mind though, so only for imput. | ||
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On March 30 2016 12:14 ritoky wrote: idk about rels being mafia....i mean i read him mafia and my reads have been pretty good so far.....but like half the mafia team going all-in on just spamming "ritoky is mafia" and not much else doesn't seem like a winning strat.... wtf ritoky, worst reasoning ever. do you honestly think how a group of people read you in particular has any importance on wether someone is mafia on not. come on | ||
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On March 30 2016 12:23 ritoky wrote: i mean you're calling tumble mafia, but not koshi after how the vote went last phase which don't make much sense to me. we are both using questionable metrics here. pretty sure every dead mafia has called me mafia, so it seems like its not the worst. well vivax was pretty sure koshi was town, as most people are. Maybe he roleblocked kurumi or something? and yes, every mafia also typed words in the thread, I don't think that should be a metric for anything. Also if it is a metric that should make you question rels even more not go "every dead mafia called me scum -> probably not every mafia is calling me scum -> rels prob town". See how stupid this sounds? | ||
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On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote: i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there. if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest" if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched it is very confusing to me right now. possible. but damdred claimed medic, so he will get shot in the night if he town. if he is still alive 2 days from now prob lynch. 'till then treat him as town. | ||
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On March 30 2016 13:15 Tumblewood wrote: 1. This is the quote for which I originally read him town. The tone felt off but I liked the content enough to townread him for it, and I believe it still stands. I was looking for more evidence of him being townie but holy shit look at this If I see one more post this bad I'm reconsidering. Tone still off but content still great. He's also asking questions trying to get people to clarify their positions (e.g., "Is this a current read?"), which comes off as town trying to make sure scum can't weasel out of their stances. 2. They were too arbitrary-- I wasn't considering the possible responses as much as the questions, so I wouldn't know why the information would be helpful. I mean dude, he was right on top of your list because of that random comment about kurumi, which isn't even particularly accurate or good. I don't buy your reads, and you seem to admit you didn't put much thought into them either. That quote from rels is from day1 and I even pointed out how bad it was, but I don't think you would know that because I don't think you are reading the thread closely, you are just grabbing tidbits here and there and making up shallow reads. Not like a townie plays. Rels is indeed asking some questions but he never follows up. He asked me a couple and never followed up or derived any conclusions from them. | ||
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On March 30 2016 13:14 ritoky wrote: mafia had to save rsoul to some degree on this day; there's no way they just let a red PR go down for free on d1 when there is reasonable doubt being shown. we have 2 confirmed red and neither was a vote to save rsoul. the living people who voted to save her are OWS, kuru, koshi, rels, LS, and damd damd claimed doctor and since no1 else has said shit i am just assuming kurumi had shot refunded and shot rsoul. making them both extremely likely town. that list becomes OWS, LS, rels, koshi. probably 2 mafia in that list of 4. out of those 4 I think only rels is mafia currently. 1 mafia prob bussed d1 and there is prob more in the group of non voters. | ||
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On March 29 2016 12:18 Tumblewood wrote: 100% confirmed town forever Damdred Vivax Rels Alakaslam/scott31337 Rels is confirmed town forever because he pointed something out random in kurumi's post and said WOW SO TOWNIE. You even admit you think the tone is off. But mafia can never get some piece of a post and fake a town read right? Like it seems it's the first time you are going through you confirmed town forever filter. | ||
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On March 30 2016 13:49 sandroba wrote: Rels is confirmed town forever because he pointed something out random in kurumi's post and said WOW SO TOWNIE. You even admit you think the tone is off. But mafia can never get some piece of a post and fake a town read right? Like it seems it's the first time you are going through you confirmed town forever filter. | ||
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On March 30 2016 19:42 Rels wrote: Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it. On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote: You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ? I don't think I ever answer this and no follow up. On March 27 2016 00:23 Rels wrote: Samdroba you came into the game late. You used the link in the op to find the day 1 post I assume ? I answered this and no follow up. On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote: This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game. He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal. You and LS tipped the scales on d1 vote tube vs rsoul. I was not particularly fond of your explanation or the timing of it. On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote: The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread. Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense. This reasoning seems pretty flawed, tube was arguing a point, regardless if time passes scummy shit that he thinks happened don't go away. I found this very underwhelming when comparing to your arguments last game. Also these 2 posts have me worried On March 26 2016 05:10 Rels wrote: scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town On March 29 2016 06:49 Rels wrote: So this is her breadcrumbs to an engineer role. So it's 100% sure she has this kind of role and didn't invent in reaction to stutters flip. So she's kinda confirmed town I think | ||
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On March 30 2016 20:01 Rels wrote: VA needs to be in this list too. I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched. I don't agree with this. TT had koshi as obvious town and would be very obvious mafia if he voted koshi. I don't think rsoul could pull off a koshi vote out of the blue either based on her filter. I believe scum was happy to follow town on whoever they wanted to lynch ytd. Are you even looking at tumble's behavior here? Don't right him off as confirmed town before you read his filter and the circumstances in which the voting was done. | ||
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On March 30 2016 20:33 Koshi wrote: Hmmmm. I would say VA dares to buss but this was very nonchalant bussing. I think he would take more cred. Tumble under the non voters should also not be disregarded, even though those 2 votes on D2 on him. Meh :/. But yeah pretty insane if there is 2 mafia in ows,ls,rels and koshi because I really doubt ls is mafia, and I am preeeetttty sure I am not mafia. I find that this is rarely the case. Normally when mafia busses early in a wagon they do it in a way that they don't really want other people to vote on it. I.e. don't make a strong argument and don't post too much about it, just like va. | ||
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And apparently your kurumi town read has generated a confirmed town read from tumble on you. Don't you think that's a little bit odd? | ||
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Anyway I checked rsoul's and TT's filter and rsoul did throw quite a bit of dirt on tumble d1 and TT had no qualms lynching him either d2. Maybe tumble is just weird. Also one thing both scummers have in common is they both kinda refuse to acess VA's alignment in a pretty weird fashion. Gonna switch to VA. | ||
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On March 25 2016 23:19 rsoultin wrote: nope it didn't shape's posting in general just rubs me the wrong way and of all the people reading me scum, his seemed the most contrived (and yes, i'm looking for scum on my wagon, cause duh ^^) sandy i know is paranoid of me i'm shit at reading va but i know he could think that as town so whatever rit obv is going to vote me but this just makes him more scum tbh lol >< i'm pretty sure he's the one who said that my scumplay is characterized by being passive i really can't recall who else was pushing this but you which reminds me! what is this pressure bs anyway? like it's definitely not to get me posting, but it doesn't sound like you scumread me either @.@ On March 28 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: I rather hate these reads. Rels is a straight parrot of what Damdred said earlier, and that Vivax read is super weak, kinda opportunistic too ("this dude isn't here right now! Lurking! Lets lynch"), VA is just low hanging fruit regardless of alignment | ||
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On March 24 2016 23:59 VayneAuthority wrote: Taking a look at the playerlist I have to stop the circlejerk before it gets out of control unfortunately. 50% read of ritoky is bad and already hard defending people that will never lynch her 50% this is what rsoultin was refering to as reasoning to vote her, when she said "erm va could be town for saying that" | ||
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Enough about that nonsense and let's talk about how VA is scum. | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:12 Rels wrote: sandroba do you know if your bullet would get refunded if yuo got roleblocked ? Palmar actually answer me about this yesterday and he said no. | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote: The only reason you dont want him to die is because you guys are probably opposite roles like rsoultin/stutters. That's a scummy scum speculation that and distortion of what I said. Also kurumi's role is different from mine according to him and I DO have another bullet. | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote: I kinda think kurm is town for not claiming the shot hrmmm... That's tricky Damdy you disapoint me. That's terrible reason to think kurumi is town because mafia would never claim a kill they didn't make just to have another townie go AHA got u scum bitch. | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:20 Rels wrote: What other townie ? 3 vigs is already kinda hard to believe, 4 vigs is impossible. rsoul got killed by a trap box or by SK. If kurumi is mafia maybe he thinks I lied about my role and did it? No way he claims a kill he didn't make as any alignment. Still I don't think he is mafia, at least not with rsoul. Probably not at all since his claim was for no benefit as scum. | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:34 Rels wrote: Oh that's right. Still why rescind the lie about the remaining bullet now ? What's changed since your claim that you had only 1 bullet left D2 ? vivax said scum rb is dead | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:35 Rels wrote: Like, if you're that sure VA is scum, don't you fear being killed during N3 without the possibility to shoot anyone ? yeah, but maybe that's what i want? | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:37 VayneAuthority wrote: eh whatever kurumi or sandroba is scum, lynching outside them is idiocy but im sure it will happen why? who is scum based on behavior? you bore me... | ||
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I mean I did defend you and probably the other team prob shot your partner so you should prob side with town here. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:37 ritoky wrote: sandroba who are your top 2 non-kurumi mafia reads? you can explain if you want, more interested in the names though. erm Not considering setup, teams or anything I think VA and tumble are both suspicious. I'm interested also in what superbia is eventually going to claim and the resolution of the damdred thing. prob just need to wait for kurumi to flip and see if he is indeed part of rsoul/tt team which I kinda doubt tbh. If he is their strat was bus each other since d1 when there are 2 teams and that seems very silly. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:55 ritoky wrote: sand do you think vivax rb'd kuru or did you not read his filter? I'm not sure honestly, I think it's possible. Kurumi being mafia maybe he didn't even shoot koshi at all or maybe TT blocked kurumi (if he is from the other team) or maybe there is yet another blocker from the other team. Hard to speculate. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:58 Kurumi wrote: You are my last team mate, you precious. You have not fully blossomed yet, though!  Answer my riddle!!! What do young adults and young insects have in common? Didn't you say avians at first? | ||
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On April 01 2016 07:04 LightningStrike wrote: So Sandroba how come you didn't change votes when Kuru claimed scum? Why are you not reading the game LS? | ||
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So far all 3 mafia bussed each other relentlessly. It would be pretty damn stupid strat if their team was made of 3 and they were going against another mafia team. | ||
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On April 01 2016 07:21 VayneAuthority wrote: infact I voted him while you were making fun of me, then you changed vote after he claimed LMAO. stfu kid Va if you are town you played/voted quite well congrats. I admire your ability to ignore everything that is happening in the game and suddenly cast a vote on scum. | ||
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On April 01 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote: Va has a far better vote record then you koshi. T Rsoul has a very good vote record iirc. She somehow knew kurumi was mafia as early as day 1. | ||
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Also ritoky's play was pretty streamlined as well, going straight for rsoul and not commenting on much more, ignoring plenty of drama happening in the thread. It fits mafia full bus behavior observed so far. Pretty sad if that's the case. | ||
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On April 01 2016 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote: But yes people that didnt bother to post at all today especially after kurumi conceding are very suspicious, so probably ritoky or obi tomorrow. l8er nerds Man, kurumi randomly conceding when you were the alt lynch is very susp also. | ||
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