TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 97

On March 28 2016 18:10 ritoky wrote:
i just clicked TTs filter and it fucked my head really hard.......i think he is town? kinda?...but i don't...

the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated.

the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post:



that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum.

i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read.

On March 28 2016 18:12 ritoky wrote:


it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter.

On March 27 2016 06:58 Kurumi wrote:


So, maybe some of you aren't convinced that I am Town, but I believe that Scum have no qualms like that and I am probably going to bite the dust here. While I was wrong on both shoe and Tube, I feel that I was well-grounded on my reads, which people actually have agreed with - seeing that Tube was lynched and shoe was read two-ways based on the same point I brought up. I might've said one thing too much on top of all that, which might seal the deal even more. Anyway, this is why I am writing this post - I believe I have played a strong game and that I am now going to go down because of it. So I gotta leave you with some reads to work with.

My proposed Mafia team is:

Koshi
ritoky
rsoultin
Ticktock/Stutters695/Tumblewood/VayneAuthority aka lurker-class scum.

Now the reasons:
For Koshi they are simple and people have picked up on that. First, the list. It's utterly insignificant, unhelpful, but great to look like he is doing something. He also said something about a plan and he - as we can see in the thread, abandoned it without any word on what the plan was and how it was supposed to help Town (What we can gather, his plan was to post the list only and only that, which, as you can guess, I am not going to Town-read at all!). Koshi's played a very wishy-washy game. He voted lots (ritoky, Alakaslam, tumblewood, sandroba, Tubesock), voted lots of flimsy evidence and has defended rsoultin, while townreading people seeing her as scum. He himself admits that. It looks like a good setup to be able to back-pedal on his vote on Tube when things get heated: I was just wrong guys, like look: I was townreading the guys against her! It is especially damning that having such townreads did not make him reconsider his stance on rsoultin. One of the most damning things for me though, besides the wishy-washiness is how he has played the game during the night: this is the moment Koshi is the most active, fearless about the results of the Night kills. He is above that. No worries - Koshi is going to be here on D2! How does he know that? Well, he knows where the KP is going. He knows that KP is not heading his way, unless his team partners decide to be silly pranksters! Look how contrarian to everything he is and how little effort he puts into it: he has those reads only to sow distrust among us.

ritoky:
His play was questioned before. I once decided that his play was just dumb, but dumb in a Townie way. But after the D1 has ended, we saw no follow-up. No redemption. He made us look at him and then disappeared, while believing he is near confirmed town! I understand that RL reasons are there, but come on, if you plan something, you have the time. So it's a contradiction. Remember that ritoky was defended by rsoultin by the very start and many people around the time of his fuckup have come into the thread and started to throw acussations my way. RSO defends him, Koshi makes no case against him besides saying he is Mafia. The votes weren't on him, only lots of suspicion around. All he has done was to introduce chaos into the thread, his teammate rsoultin dipped too much anyway. Handling by her has been acknowledged and she was up as one of the lynch candidates.

rsoultin:
Her showing, especially handling the ritoky situation (hardcore defense) her absence for lots of late D1, the vote on me feels like she tried to avoid any responsibility with the lynch. She was fine with what was happening and she was the only one to vote together with Tubesock on me - but made no effort to defend him and herself from killing them.

The lurkers... well... it's easier to get disinterested in a game if you are scum, because you know that it needs more effort to work out.

On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!

On March 28 2016 18:20 rsoultin wrote:


^ his next post

like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off?

On March 28 2016 18:21 Vivax wrote:
SL at least seems town now, posts wild theories, tries to get the big picture. His claim was still shitty but the latest activities removed doubts I had during his early play. Plus the copypaste of the wagon was funny and townie.

That's 1 less to go which is a lot in this game.

Ritoky rightly pointing out that TT pretty much TRs me and Koshi too easily, too firmly but then reaching for the opposite conclusion afterwards bugged me, still not sure on him and rso. Rso is not being annoying except towards people scumreading her and even then it seems more like an aggressive way of being annoying which I've seen her do as scum when I figured her out being in a team with Ruxxar in some game a while ago.

On March 28 2016 18:23 ritoky wrote:
going at length to try condemn the person you're about to shoot is a little strange....i mean in his mind they're about to be resolved so establishing the reasoning can be done after....dunno tho his list isn't atrocious excluding me. at that point in the game i don't think i felt particularly strong town feelings toward anyone else on kuru's list

On March 28 2016 18:21 rsoultin wrote:


i mean, i realize he posted an excuse right in here, but that's really coincidental. you'd think he'd give enough of a shit to wait 5 minutes

On March 28 2016 18:28 sicklucker wrote:


no thats not the point.. he made a post in a timeframe that mafia would have had no time to change actions. ( iwas in thread it was right before) SO why didnt he just hardclaim the shot? He risks dying and town losing the information .

Whatever koshis still mafia untill someone really really townie claims to have saved him.

So we do not lynch kura yet. If you wanna live another day you will push the rels angle

On March 28 2016 18:25 rsoultin wrote:


zzz lol like this way of reading me is just never gonna work

ironically enough the xP analysis was right >> cause that seems even shittier

what do you think of rit's point on rels?

On March 28 2016 18:34 Vivax wrote:


Judging from the stuff that Rels posted on LS which btw I had to research myself instead of ritoky just posting what he means (and im lazy so I dislike that) Rels only says 1 of the LS posts seemed opportunistic, while the others are just reasons to disagree with something, so don't really know why ritoky expects a full fledged read. Not to mention most of it was D1 stuff, Rels is basically afk this game.