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On March 27 2016 20:47 Vivax wrote:
Dayvig and 2 vigs, and no mafia KP tonight? Kurumi shouldn't you be fighting it out with Slam or Sandro instead of koshi in the position you claim you are in?
Hey, it is weird for me as well, especially given two flipped blues, the suspicion of two mafia shots getting deflected somehow (so two powers got involved into that most likely), dayvig, 2 vigs and sl claim. And Koshi did not die. And I did shoot. So another. I am as lost as you are.
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On March 27 2016 15:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 15:46 Alakaslam wrote:
I haven't received any mod notes but I had to take a shower and thought sorry I fly off the handle I deal with shit but so does everyone I have no reason or right to hold grudges It's fine slam, stress and loss can make even the most upstanding into belligerents. As long as you walk forward without malice in your heart, I am sure there won't be any issues. Game related though; did you read the sandroba claimed the only nk and is claiming vig? or was your read made without that information?
I am aware, how on earth should that clear him?
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yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?
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On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?
I'm a Soldier, I can SHOOT EVERY NIIIIIIIIIIIGHT but I have one bullet(!).
If I was back in the troll meta I'd try dissecting the bullet and making another one, but I passed on that. The Lord of Kalmars might've not appreciated the Chezinu flavour.
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Your role is different than mine then. I am comissar and i can only shoot if a town was lynched the previous day.
Honestly dunno what to make of your claim or the fact that you shot koshi or the fact that he survived. Along with no mafia kp. sigh
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Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock?
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On March 25 2016 16:52 sandroba wrote:
I like rels, he looks a lot like last game where he was townie. I see the point on slam being town for revealing he was about to shoot and not trying to incriminate anyone. The weird think is that he said he was going to think about it and the shot went off and he apparently wasn't here anymore. Gotta wait till I read what slam has to say.
Also leaning town on kurumi a bit. Null on rso. I think rels has the wrong idea on ritoky and rso is spreading doubt a bit. Dunno. I find her hard to read.
On March 25 2016 17:50 sandroba wrote:Somehow I think sicklucker is no longer mafia after reading some of his posts up to where I am. His tone is like idgaf enough that I can see him being townie. It's not like he is trying to act a certain way, I dunno. At least it gives me pause and makes me reconsider. I don't really love the jat/superbia/rsoul thing. I don't quite understand why jat interfered in superbia's mini push. He admits rso is good scum, he should want her to get some pressure maybe? Dunno I'm not confortable with jat or rso for that matter at all. Nothing inherently scummy about them, but also didn't jump me as town either. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. Then I came across this post which is actually the reason I made this summary, to get to this point: Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read.
I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch.
Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it. I think that is a pretty straight foward and simplistic reason to say someone is scum. You don't risk much, there is no behavior analysis and you don't even narrow it down to the one you do think is scum, nor explains why you excluded the other two. I guess you are on the phone and simply had to post this. But it seems like the real reason why you wanted to make this post is to say everyone scumreading slam is an idiot and you are sure he is town. You might very well be right (I think you are), but it's somewhat uncharacteristic for a townie to be so sure and give such an easy pass for someone who shot a town 5 hours into day 1. I don't think townies want to be made fools off, so that's why I find this certainty strange.
On March 25 2016 17:54 sandroba wrote:
@slam I just filtered you, and you say you could only shoot day1. Why did you shoot so early into day 1, before even all players had posted?
Also one thing I don't understand regarding the circumstance. Did you send your shot through pm and went to bed? I had the impression you said you were going to reconsider it and sleep on it before you shot. What happened/made you change your mind?
Two questions:
Why do you change your read on slam between post 1 and 2?
Why don't you ask slam for his role name but kurumi?
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slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least.
So your read progressions which in my opinion looks terrible here is scum->town->scum but not sure why, and you react differently to slam than to kurumi
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because kurumi's role could be the same as mine and slam's can't? Or if kurumi is fake claiming maybe mafia has a list of roles and maybe he would say my role's name idk. I have no insight on slam's role since it is clearly different than mine and it is proven he has a role so that's why i didn't bother to ask his role name.
And on your first question it's pretty clear I was on the process of reading the game and figuring out as I went through the thread. I don't see the point of your question.
Also I no longer care about slam, I'm just going to assume he is town from now on because if he was faking anger and family issues as scum that is pretty shameful and I don't think anyone here would do that kind of stuff.
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On March 27 2016 21:35 Vivax wrote:
Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock?
y don't you do that. also why don't you say something about the big elephant in the room which you are ignoring, which is the whole rsoul ritoky ordeal?
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I think one of the big claiming atm is mafia.
Maybe hrm that would mean potentially three docs in the game I guess unless they stacked with sand or kur I guess hrm
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All right, I'm here to talk a bit about the game but expect no real activity from me today.
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On March 27 2016 21:52 sandroba wrote:
because kurumi's role could be the same as mine and slam's can't? Or if kurumi is fake claiming maybe mafia has a list of roles and maybe he would say my role's name idk. I have no insight on slam's role since it is clearly different than mine and it is proven he has a role so that's why i didn't bother to ask his role name.
And on your first question it's pretty clear I was on the process of reading the game and figuring out as I went through the thread. I don't see the point of your question.
Also I no longer care about slam, I'm just going to assume he is town from now on because if he was faking anger and family issues as scum that is pretty shameful and I don't think anyone here would do that kind of stuff.
Surely you know that in most games scum are given fakeclaims, I already wondered about your question to kurumi cause it holds exactly zero value, no scum have been caught that I know of just cause they claimed a weird name. What could happen is that he claims something different than you which he did upon which you could scumread him and he did and yet you don't scumread him, so that makes the point of inquiring about his role nil, just a scummy question cause pointless. He has the same role as you, you townread him, he has a different role you still townread him, why do you even ask about it then?
Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum.
Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more.
slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least.
And your current read on slam dodges the question cause the question is about this progression which is scummy. You are finding a reason each time to give something on slam that ends up not being of use, and I'm wondering if it had to do with other people's opinions on him at the time. The conclusions are always indecisive and I don't see the point of talking about something like this as town in this way. It just looks like you talked about it cause it was something you felt you had to do cause of the circumstances and not cause it would help you find scum, more or less, so it's mafiaish.
On March 27 2016 21:54 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 21:35 Vivax wrote:
Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock? y don't you do that. also why don't you say something about the big elephant in the room which you are ignoring, which is the whole rsoul ritoky ordeal?
I don't feel like lynching either of them this early, rsoultin should get NKd or at least has a chance to show what the invention can do. Ritoky does smart stuff sometimes so he needs a chance to do that as well. I said why I want to lynch TickTock so I don't need to make a case against it.
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On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!
hahahaahahahahahaahahahaha.
See?
Even I get shot before sicklucker does.
btw I am not a vet or anything so somebody blocked that shot.
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I will also say I am really against a TT lynch. I want to see if he keeps it up now. He may or may not be the player with the best reads past D3 currently playing.
And I can see his reads being right.
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Kurumi do we have to hug anything out? Because if you are town I can tell you that you shot town. I am ok with being lynched but shot is really boring.
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Sicklucker claim was bad for multiple reasons and I would expect him to be smarter than that.
He doesn't know if scum shot him.
He doesn't know if mafia can hold kp and use it doubly the next night.
He said he used his vest and he can pretend he did but then mafia just never shoots him.
Plus he seems to lack his usual interest into the puzzle. Lots of posts are just drivel, they should usually at least contain a nugget of wisdom, he says that instead of lynching TT we could wait for his modkill when this game has no activity requirements.
He also doesn't try to profile himself much by posting interesting observations, he rather says stuff like "haha i got shot for my reads".
Scum lean.
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PRs: We have seen 2 flip and 4 claimed. Together with the fact that KP was apparently reduced by 2, meaning 2 more PRs are active, or stack on stutters or mafia roleblock (is roleblock notified? Too lazy to check OP). So at least 1 protective PR (definitely in a game of this size).
So that means 7-8 PRs. Seems a bit.. much? It may very well be possible. The thing is, with so many PRs, there HAS to be a secondary mafia KP OR a 3rd party KP (even without PRs, just the number of people in the game). Where is that? Could be stack, but it would imply that the KP is 3rd party. OR sandroba was mafia vigi and claimed his shot, but this seems very unlikely because he would be confirmed mafia at a certain point in the game purely through game logic. Also kind of liked his claim. So sandroba is probably always town.
So we have:
- 2 claimed KP (Sandroba and Kurumi) on Stutters and Koshi respectively.
- >=1 mafia & >=0 3rd party KP. (together has to be >1 for game balance)
So for the secondary mafia/3rd party KP, either:
- One of the vigis is lying (would lean towards kurumi lying).
- We have a secondary medic (and a claimed PR is FOR SURE lying).
- Mafia vig or 3rd party (whichever) held their shot (unlikely) OR was roleblocked somehow.
- Mafia stacked with 3rd party and sandroba on stutters (almost never).
This doesn't tell us too much yet. However, if at some point in the game it becomes known that we have 2 medics (not today), one of the alive PRs is mafia.
Claimed PRs have to be evaluated on their own. I have no idea what kind of information mafia has, but Koshi had said before that Palmar gives mafia info on town (iirc?). Speaking of Koshi, he has to hard claim whether he is a veteran or not.
On that note, today's most important topic is rso's alignment. Alas, none of the vigis shot her (... seriously?), so now we have to figure out her alignment. If we lynch her and she flips town, the game is probably super over. I am either ride or dying with her today, or she's getting lynched. She has said that she has time tomorrow and rso, you need to bring the fucking fire if you're town. The breadcrumb at the start of the game really, really helps with that, and I'm actually leaning towards you being town right now. Especially seeing how quick the votes are going again. That being said, do not be lazy. Bring the fucking fire.
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On March 27 2016 22:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! hahahaahahahahahaahahahaha. See? Even I get shot before sicklucker does. btw I am not a vet or anything so somebody blocked that shot.
Ok that's important to know.
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Also, sl his role could easily be mafia. If this is all town kp.
And mafia would use their vest N1 so he isn't even lying.
I also want to point out that sicklucker is on the bottom of my list. Under "confirmed mafia"
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