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On March 27 2016 08:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 08:10 sicklucker wrote:On March 27 2016 08:08 Koshi wrote:
Read sicklucker his filter. 0 clues why mafia would shoot him. Wouldn't make any sense in the world. For what reads? Really? rofl ok koshi. im sure im lying about claiming here when mafia kp was reduced by two yesterday. My theory is we have a doctor that saved someone (probably jat) and I was also targeted. which pretty much makes you scum My and rsoultin being mafia is indeed the only reason that you might get shot. Probably not. But still. Maybeeeee. Sadly I am town. So it doesn't even matter what alignment rsoultin is. You never ever fucking ever get shot.
i was a n1 kill in 2 of my 3 previous town games fyi..
Also I have been tryharding this game so it would not surprise me if I was just a respect kill. but forget about that ima pretend im right so I get my way
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On March 27 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Why would,I get voted for again here?
it just feels right...
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I'm quite disappointed that I was not shot.
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Why's that Tt don't you want to play? Should we lynch you?
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I think it's unlikely SL is lying about the vet thing here. Even if let's suppose mafia witheld their shot so sicklucker could claim vet, it's very risky that town has a vet and finds SL claims suspicious and then he would be fucked for no benefit. Most likely mafia did shoot and their target didn't die, so if SL is mafia it's even riskier to claim because they know for a fact one or more people survived a shot somehow, so vet is very likely.
SL is very very likely town unless some sort of cc happens.
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@TT the reason I didn't shoot you instead was because you said you were page 45 and catching up, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
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Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad:
1) Her read on LS -
On March 22 2016 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:
/in Student game taking to long to fill. Pregame excuse: I changing play styles due to my last scum breaking my meta.
This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit.
2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game:
On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw
also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers
disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha!
2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh
On February 17 2016 11:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 11:22 Trfel wrote:
I wasn't asking for an explanation, I was mentioning something that I thought was funny....
Anyway, I'm nearly caught up, so then I can go through the thread and once again completely fail to find mafia! Looking forward to it!
Does anyone have someone they'd like me to give additional attention to? Maybe sicklucker and Palmar? lol >< no one is commenting on my shape toneread it's making me itch
On February 17 2016 11:39 rsoultin wrote:
yeah that wasn't well-organized, even for me lol ><
shape is my preferred lynch who i'm trying to get people to talk about
and scott i want to hear more from but he's the other
there ^^ that's better
also i think i like tumble, at least enough to remove him from the d1 lynch pool
On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote:
can we lynch shape?
-bats lashes at-
alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol
On February 17 2016 12:08 rsoultin wrote:
idk, like i could lynch into
shape
scott
gb
shining
but tbh the only ones i actually suspect are shape and scott...the other two are just eh to me. fine defaults if we can't find/agree on anything better. they're null-to-scummy as opposed to just null
On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
:/ i resent that, scott
shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@
bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall
It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia.
3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it.
4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me.
5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post:
LS, vivax - town for meta
SL - maybe town for meta
slam - policy -> okay with lynch
shape - mafia cuz omgus
rit - mafia
over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia.
6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia.
7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted.
+ Show Spoiler +Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote
There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia.
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I do have information but I can't divulge on the shot at least.
Anyway my faith in rs is falling fast here.
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@LS since you seem so sure rsoul is town it should be easier for you to come up with some sort of mafia team that doesn't include her, or even a single person you suspect of being mafia instead. I can't find any clue on your filter of who you think is mafia.
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I really like points 6 and 7.
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unfortunately that post consumed all of my time as i have to get dressed all fancy to go to some french restaurant where i am sure they cook everything in wine so i can't eat hardly any of it with my in-laws. i should have some time available late tonight for people's responses to that case.
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Other things are taking precedent for me, so my ability to focus on this game is practically nill.
Would replace if that were an option, but tbh even then it's not really a time issue just a life issue.
I'll make an effort to not be totally useless today, finish my reading and share my thoughts. Idk when this situation is going to be resolved though.
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outta boy now I can do something else
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My inner contrarian wants to think "come on, this is too perfect, this can't be right" but last time I saw a case as good as ritoky's was when Trfel nailed me as scum. I am actually totally okay with sheeping that read.
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On March 27 2016 08:38 sandroba wrote:
@LS since you seem so sure rsoul is town it should be easier for you to come up with some sort of mafia team that doesn't include her, or even a single person you suspect of being mafia instead. I can't find any clue on your filter of who you think is mafia.
Rels potentially, VA, Vivax +1.
Rels usually have a stronger presence as town but activity is nay.
VA not really having his usual sharpness(this is a meta read that I borrowing from kushm4sta) and all he did was pretty much complained and didn't do anything outside of that.
Vivax fallen off real hard since his big spur of actvity and he is known for lurking as scum.
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If I am wrong on her alignment let me ask you this:
American I scum trying to defend her or am I town having a really bad game?
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On March 27 2016 09:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 08:38 sandroba wrote:
@LS since you seem so sure rsoul is town it should be easier for you to come up with some sort of mafia team that doesn't include her, or even a single person you suspect of being mafia instead. I can't find any clue on your filter of who you think is mafia. Rels potentially, VA, Vivax +1. Rels usually have a stronger presence as town but activity is nay. VA not really having his usual sharpness(this is a meta read that I borrowing from kushm4sta) and all he did was pretty much complained and didn't do anything outside of that. Vivax fallen off real hard since his big spur of actvity and he is known for lurking as scum.
How do you judge sharpness on a player with less than ten posts, most of them meaningless?
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##vote rsoultin
I feel like we should kill more people in my upper town area.
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Also you called the entire basis of your Rels read (activity) NAI...
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EPT
