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Asking about bullshit anatomy shit. | ||
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On March 08 2016 16:16 yamato77 wrote: I want to lynch Vivax. Unsurprisingly. He might be town. Unlike Slam. | ||
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On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote: Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable. Not giving Shape a pass for being a noob. Besides, people never understand how I read Slam or most anyone. But I'm always right. I would've figured you would've learned by now. | ||
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Do you really want me to post a page and a half discourse about why Slam plays Mafia and how he approaches playing from both sides? Do you really want me to show you how he's not trolling? On top of that do you want me to show you how he's even not trolling how he does when he's scum? I've made this case like idk 4-5 times previously. I'm always right about it. Game is simple. I find 1 scum and figure out if you're town and if Koshi is town. Literally all I need to do. | ||
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So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. | ||
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On March 08 2016 17:03 yamato77 wrote: I don't necessarily disagree with your plan but it doesn't exactly inspire faith either. Well I'm either dead N1 and correct on the scum team or I'm correct on the scum team and no one listens to what I post. So I'm just aiming for blaming everyone else for not listening to me after dying N1. | ||
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On March 08 2016 19:50 Rels wrote: I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw. Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @getript how long has it been since you'll played with alakaslam? Tone-wise he's gotten a lot darker as of late. I think as scum he usually gives a strong effort early to look townie, which I'm not seeing here. So I don't think a scumread is justified. Don't know. But there have been longer gaps and meta has always been accurate. He always tries to look however he thinks he'll be town read (as Mafia). It's not the same thing. Plus, it's not like Slam doesn't know about my godread on him. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:46 Koshi wrote: My point with above post is that for how good the post by yamato on Vivax was, he doesn't want to convince geript that Vivax is mafia. That's an interesting point. | ||
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On March 09 2016 03:49 Shapelog wrote: Is it This: Plus This: = easy town reads shared bewtenn the two of them. Vivax thinks Gerpit might be off, and after seeing this thinks Tumble and Gerpit are a mafia team. Did I get it right? I think I just contracted cancer. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:58 Vivax wrote: geripts read on slam is too high for me to understand, or maybe just too contrived, but Ill sheep it if i dont nail a mafia myself before that, cuz it sounds like gerupt really believes dat stuff. waiting for koshi to post from his uncomfortable last position On March 09 2016 03:36 Vivax wrote: i was hoping geript would take interest into my post about slam as that was the point where he could have gone "yes, yes! Lynch slam with me now" which would have been in line with the tryhard tone of the rest of his posts. But let's see I saw this in rereading and this is really, really fucking off. There's literally zero reason with Vivax's first post for me or anyone else to think that Vivax is happy about a Slam lynch. Hell, at best it's exceptionally limited and tacit approval of slam lynch. On March 09 2016 03:33 Vivax wrote: lol koshi is so town, cute This also is bullshit. Koshi is more than capable of posting everything he has as scum. On March 09 2016 03:38 Vivax wrote: here's a vote with secret reasons (for now): ##Vote tumblewood This is even more bullshit. There's not a single read or point or anything here. Literally the only thing Vivax has done this whole game is dance outside of issues. He's posted a worthless reads post with no reasoning whatsoever. He prods people and gets them to focus on lots of little bullshit things which are irrelevant. He's asking questions of other people and somehow never gives a real opinion on anyone. It's working on 48 hours and literally all he's doing is leading people around by the nose. If you guys aren't going to lynch SLam, then Vivax is clearly the next best option. | ||
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On March 09 2016 07:41 Alakaslam wrote: So koshi, Rels, tumble wood likely towns That leaves a lot of people. I think Kush is probably town, and Yamato That leaves less people but still a lot. Can those I mentioned please talk about who looks scummy outside these? (As in, not Yamato, Koshi) I am having a hard time keeping tabs on this as I am about to pick up my pupil from school Someone brought it up, but people seem to have missed it. Slam has 5 townreads on this post; when he adds himself that's only 3 people available to lynch left. There's 9 players and 2 mafia; there's literally zero reason to care who's the town in the last 3 as you can just lynch them with impugnity and win game. Like it's not even that hard. On top of that, Slam hasn't trolled at all since his return. There's no real fun-seeking behavior. There's no jolly to him. The closes thing is a token HIJOLE. There's no weaving of wanting to have fun between thoughts. On March 09 2016 05:22 Alakaslam wrote: This is cute and such old meta. Go read Saitamaofonepunch and catch up for the chupazic way. And check that game where I was exactly like this and Marv lynches me and rayn goes apeshit because he thinks I was purposely trying to break my meta instead of busy with tutoring Regarding this, for further reference and proof of my godread, there was a game a while ago (I lose track since I play so infrequently now) that in post game or obs (i forget which) which I correctly read Slam as town despite him getting lynched. Rayn and I even talked about why in post game. Slam has slowly had changing meta for a while now (years really I think at this point), but the cores to it are the same. There's been a game or two that I've done analysis for I'm pretty sure that I've pointed this out. You're more than welcome to read them (the games, the analysis, whatever). I have a god read on Slam. He is scum. If you want to win, just lynch slam. | ||
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On March 09 2016 05:30 yamato77 wrote: I was talking to Vivax. Geript you were obviously not interested in discussing Vivax, i had already brought him up and you dismissed it. I asked you more about what you did want to talk about, which was Slam. And it got you to post something reasonably Townie. Mission accomplished. Interesting =/= good. I found it interesting and wanted more people to talk about something I wanted to mull over more. | ||
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On March 09 2016 05:58 Shapelog wrote: Cba to look into vivax. But has the time to call the reason why vivax is sus. of him (which he did not know because IIRC he posted b/4 vivax) Cancer. But also then Cba to answer what ever the fuck Vivax was f5ing for. Weird. No weird. If you think someone is scum, you lynch them. What's weird is lynching a proxy as a test for lynching someone you think is scum. That read and reasoning is literally the worst thing I've read in Mafia since HtS's brother's mathematical scum hunting method thing. | ||
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On March 09 2016 06:10 Rels wrote: Not scumreading a townie when the occasion is there is never a proof someone is no scum. I've made that mistake before. Scum will defend town with no problem. Actually, scum prefer to not call anyone scum and be friend with everyone and don't care about the lynch. | ||
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Probably a misquote of something. Especially as that's been a topic earlier. In regards to your earlier thing about how my meta read should have changed or whatever... No. Meta reads don't change based on what random schmucks say. I've read/watched enough games and been current with Slam. I don't need to update. The meta hasn't changed; how he expresses is slightly different and that's been covered. | ||
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On March 09 2016 07:16 Vivax wrote: ill actually unvote, dont see any reason to put him in lynch range before he can even reply anything This is more bullshit too. The best time to lynch scum is when they're not around to respond or get their neck off the block. For someone who's played as much as Vivax to not have clear and explicit reasons to want to lynch someone and then not want to 'take credit' for the lynch is pretty fucking scummy. | ||
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You guys need to understand that we need to lynch. We have limited time in order to be able to lynch scum and burning 72 or 96 hours on D1 is unacceptable especially when we will always lose 24 hours for night phases. So we can go 4-4-5 which will assuredly end in 3 bad lynches or go 3-3-3-3 which will be better but lowers odds of a productive lynch on D3/4 as interest wanes. Best option is to lynch and keep the days and information moving before shit stagnates. | ||
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On March 10 2016 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): Vivax (3): Tumblewood (1): Rels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): geript (0): Not Voting (0): At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch. The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00) The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. Oddest set of ppl voting w/ me ever. | ||
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On March 10 2016 08:55 yamato77 wrote: Has to be more to it than that, right geript? That's the short version while I'm at work. | ||
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On March 10 2016 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): Vivax (3): Tumblewood (1): Rels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): geript (0): Not Voting (0): At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch. The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00) The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. This is a really odd vote count in general. Rels has basically been disagreeing with my meta read for most of the game so far. Vivax is the guy who's pushed basically anything. On March 09 2016 06:30 Vivax wrote: yea fwiw slam doesn't look scummy to me, im really happy hes playing his "new style". He's capable of being a good townie as shown when he was saitama, so for now I don't feel like lynching him On March 09 2016 21:17 Vivax wrote: ima talk things through with competent players when they're back, I think geript might not even be wrong about Slam, but if I think thta it's not cause of the stuff he posts which requires me to sheep geripts meta reads blindly which I was slightly willing to do before he started vomiting in my face, but cause Shape rightly pointed out that slam's PoE would have looked odd, besides that he wasn't pushing it at all. Saitama was quite better than that. Hell Vivax has even been trying to push Tumble for scum while trying to convince Tumble to vote for Slam. There's tumble who's basically soft buddied me all game. Then there's Shape who's main thoughts on Slam have been related to Slam's townreads/PoE post. Basically, it's a wagon of me and 4 people who are ok to lynch but not terribly interested in lynching. On top of that, You have Vivax and Tumble who look to be opposite alignments voting together. Plus we have Yam, Kush, and Koshi all voting someone different and I was leaning town on all three. Slam looks like a bad lynch unless Rels or tumble is bussing; I don't think Slam/Shape is a realisitic pair but I could be wrong there. | ||
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On March 10 2016 23:48 Rels wrote: There is no unflipped association. My scumreads by order of strongness are geript => you => yamato => tumble. geript's reason for unvoting you was unflipped association. My scumreads have no unflipped association. Let's talk about my unflipped associations more. Vote count was like 5-2-1-1. Pretend Slam is Mafia, you basically have to imagine scum team is like Slam/Tumble--basically a team that has no thread pull whatsoever. Maybe Slam/Vivax but that's not a highly likely pair on how they've been so happy to vote for each other. On of the big advantages of having less time to devote to Mafia, is spending less time playing Mafia so I can be more objective. In a mini-mini like this, votes and pushes count for more. You can make actual team theories usefully. Plus, I wasn't even making associations. I was the only person happy with that lynch. It's odd that despite the case being around for 40 hours or so, it catches on with ~6 hours til lynch. Especially since 60% of the people had fought for other lynches, lynches who they're voting with on a tacit lynch. Look at the facts. My godread is more likely to be wrong than right given the circumstances. Oh and in regards to needing to lynch, let's put that post in perspective. At the time ~30 hours into the game 4 people are voting for 4 different people with no clear consensus and no move towards one. That's no good for town. | ||
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On March 11 2016 04:25 yamato77 wrote: that's a dumb argument never liked it, never will he can play the game, he just isn't At worst we lose 1 town and game becomes less toxic | ||
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On March 11 2016 04:28 Alakaslam wrote: It's interesting how Dunning Kruger works both ways. Using this effect as an insult is (or should be) unheard of since it is by nature a double-edged sword. Who are you looking at next after Vivax flips? | ||
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On March 13 2016 09:11 Koshi wrote: Well if geript says Alakaslam isn't mafia I am ok with lynching Rels. Gimme 2 hours to reread entirely. Bitch on 100 didn't give me report and give me the keys until half way through my shift and fucked me royally | ||
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On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote: I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired. Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which was It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions. Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue. Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me. In hindsight, this post looks significantly worse. It defends Shape without really saying anything about either Shape or Kush. At least with Kush there should be some sort of conclusion. | ||
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On March 08 2016 19:50 Rels wrote: I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw. Idk why I find this post interesting. Maybe because it's wedged between mild attacks of Shape/Vivax and Koshi later on. It's just kinda odd to have so many thoughts and not really be actively looking at anything. Maybe a play style thing. | ||
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On March 09 2016 00:22 Tumblewood wrote: I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question. It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet. I remember really liking this post at the time. Still do. I think I'll keep tumbletown. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:11 Koshi wrote: I just need yamato or somebody else to tell me why yamato feels the need to explain a Vivax, Shape and slam read through geript who he doesn't even scumread. I think this is the point I should've flat out called Yam town. There's something about seeing those posts again. There's something that I can relate to having 3-4 reads juggling in your head that you're working through. It makes me really dislike Koshi's push here because it's a deep read that I think he should get. | ||
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On March 12 2016 08:19 Koshi wrote: ##vote Shape This is just based on the fact Kush scumread Shape and he didn't really explained why Shape was mafia except for the fact that Shape is good mafia. Jumping forward a bit, but between Shape's hanging on/posting off of Kush's stuff I don't think Shape's a good lynch at all. Plus he hasn't said anything at sticks out to me so far. | ||
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On March 09 2016 04:06 Shapelog wrote: WOW! I got it right! prob. is that I hate the fact that he town read me in this and went against kush, especially when kush has another reason why tumble may be mafia. According with the logic that vivax thinks tumble is scum. If kush is scum with tumble, it makes no sense to go after his partner without a case even being written. I know that he did not scum read Kush, but it is weird that he drop the town read on kush, when kush did something townie IMO. Maybe I spoke too soon but this post is really convoluted. Maybe I'm just tired and things are sticking out at me. I just hate the "Call X person scum for not calling Y person town" argument. | ||
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On March 14 2016 03:55 yamato77 wrote: Does mafia kush defend Vivax and push on his scumbuddy Slam as an alternate lynch? Hm. I also think that it's possible he was going to vote Slam on the 2nd 24hr period and just forgot. I'd say it's quite unlikely Slam is mafia. That's not an awful point. But when he pushed on Slam, iirc it didn't feel really strong. He may have been willing to bus if need be but need didn't arise. The fact that he doesn't vote Slam near 48 mark when I'm pretty sure he posted some OR in the 49-72 mark when he's still tow reading Vivax is really odd. Like he's solo voting for a long while and that's something veterans try to avoid as Mafia generally. | ||
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On March 09 2016 22:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Last post I'll devote to this drama, but koshi you are in the wrong here. There is a big difference between calling people bad and using the language you are using. Vivax's insults shouldn't affect you as much as they do. I have seen him call Marv bad on multiple occasions. Do you think Marv is bad? He just says that when he thinks someone is wrong. This is the most interesting Kush post so far. Koshi and Vivax had been getting into it and Kush is a little 'chill out'-y. It's interesting to me because the Vivax Koshi spat was relatively tame by TL standards for dick contests. So far Kush has been interjecting to push and prod people towards conclusions or towards forcing them into a stance of some kind that he can jump on, but here he doesn't. Koshi's worth a specific read. | ||
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On March 10 2016 03:43 Rels wrote: Yeah. ##Vote Alakaslam There's something I really hate about this series of exchanges. Rels is pushing Slam about a handful of little things. It feels more like finding an excuse to vote and then riding it. On March 10 2016 07:51 Rels wrote: The main thing against slam is that he doesn't have a single scumread and hes not trying to solve the game He had a poe of 3 people that he didn't investigate further He had a revelation on viavax reading geript post but he didn't care Even now he is talking about h being lynched but he's not solving anything The rest is additional But I like how when Koshi asks about Slam, Rels remembers his points plus a bit. The first point in this post is irrelevant though. | ||
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On March 10 2016 08:30 Rels wrote: It just goes against everything geript had shown this game He was super sure slam was scum, he saved him He said 72h d1 was unacceptable, he provoked it He ninja voted at the last minute to prevent this lynch Still no explanation or indication as to why he was fake afking Geript is 100% scum and he can explain his chnage if heart all he wants he should be lynched I just don't really get Rels response to the unvote. Like a simple pause and think would at least find a reason. Demanding an explanation makes sense, but not finding any reason especially when Rels fought the godread for so long makes no sense to me. Like he can find every reason to not vote then once he commits he's mad the lynch fails. | ||
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On March 16 2016 22:08 Shapelog wrote: Lol I just realized that we don't even know if mafia can hold shots. :/ Why do you think Mafia would hold their shot? | ||
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On March 17 2016 02:18 Koshi wrote: geript can you please vote on Shape? Or really push the game forward towards somebody else. Really boring stuff from you guys. (yam, geript, rels) I may haven't decided yet. | ||
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On March 17 2016 07:39 Rels wrote: We have a last lynch if we mislynch garanteed. IF we mislynch today AND there is no night kill next night, we have an extra mislynch. Why is Tumble town ? There've been points which I really liked him. But that's kinda not the point. He's new; he has the shortest filter in the game, he's had the lowest overall involvement in the game, he's had the least experience. If he isn't scum, I don't want him in LYLO. I was talking about the timer but I guess the # of lynches matters too. | ||
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On March 18 2016 20:18 Koshi wrote: We are also looking for a mafia who forgor to send in 2 kills. Not going to be rels I think. Yamato was a bit strong on the language around nkills. Maybe talking about himself? Or you are a pretty busy guy geript. Yup. I'm busy. But I have no qualms about replacing out. I also don't forget to submit night actions. | ||
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Lots of times scum overplay re: night kills. Either calling them great or stupid or try to wifom them. It's why shape's post re:NKs stuck out to me. | ||
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VCA kinda doesn't say much because of IML; it's basically been the 5 alive lynching the dead folks. | ||
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Besides Koshi, you look pretty confirmation biased. I think Vivax tilted you. Tbh, I'm not sure who hasn't been this game. | ||
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On March 19 2016 03:45 Koshi wrote: I have not seen bullet points on anybody else. But sure. Continue doing nothing and then tell me I am wrong. You guys have been proven wrong last 2 days, and have nothing to show for today. I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm telling you you're super biased right now. There's a major difference there. It's basically the same reason why I lynched Slam. In Slam's case I was wrong. Re: Tumble, I didn't want him anywhere near LYLO; he's a major detriment if he's town, he had a 2 page filter and was super inactive. Like him in lylo is a complete loss UNLESS he's scum. Plus he's new, so getting a majority with 3v1 is an extra danger. | ||
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On March 19 2016 03:37 Rels wrote: Except I'm confirmed town cause I would have never no kill. Scum either forgot to submit a kill or thought it was a good idea. It's not possible I did either of these so I am confirmed town. Not even close. How is it possible that Yam or I would forget to submit a kill? I've played a gajillion games and never missed a submission; hell, any host knows I'll often submit 4+ actions in a single night. I'm a planner as a person and especially as scum. No way in hell I forget to or don't submit NKs. TBH, I don't see how Yam does that either even if he is busy. I don't think I've ever seen him fail to use his role. That's not a valid reason for being town let alone confirmed town. | ||
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On March 20 2016 15:18 Rels wrote: No you won't. I'm conf town 'cause I would never forget to submit a kill and yamato is useless. I'm doubtful about who is the busy scum but you should not from your POV. It's my dad birthday today so can't play before tonight. We have 2 days so it's OK though. The 'forget to submit' argument is bad at best. Yamato has had original thoughts. Like maybe I've been misreading him all game, but I seriously doubt it. I'd rather you explain your thought process behind how you instantly start believing the meta case on slam after defending him all day 1. Explain how you never start a wagon but join any wagon presented. | ||
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On March 21 2016 05:55 Rels wrote: Meh geript if you're town like I suppose cause yamato jumping on me is easy as he did the whole game, game is over. You didn't unvote me when I was obvious town in personality you're not gonna Unvote me nlw Bottom line, I can write a strong town case for yam. I can't for you. | ||
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Yamatown: 1. The interconnectivity reads, especially early on, are really hard to replicate that thinking as scum. 2. He's been pushing on people for things that I expect town!yam to be pushing. Especially around the early D2 point. 3. Has gotten more inactive as the game has gone on. That's pretty counter-intuitive for scum. 4. He feels like he's the right pissy-ness level overall. 5. Tried to ignore people who are pushing him for 'meh' reasoning 6. This is dumb, but I get where he's thinking. Like my Damdred/Marv read, deep inside of me he just hits the right spots. Scumato: 1. Basically done the minimum necessary at all points 2. Been happy to pick fights as appropriate 3. I think Hapa likes rolling people roles they don't prefer and I think Hapa would try to challenge buddy yam like this 4. Half-defends Slam when lynch is looks mostly assured Relstown: 1. Interacts with Kush good amount Relscum: 1. First reads post is pretty oddly put together (aka no strong reads other than XYZ -> here's more reads) plus very little in agreement with where I was at the time. 2. Soft defends Slam into easy voting for him 3. Question heavy, analysis light. Flicks around most issues with people picking at little things and asking little questions and makes little pushes 3a. Makes some huge more-comfortable-looking bounces off of Kush posts especially while not actively trying to work/bicker with Kush 4. Big blow up post re:unvote is lot of anger and not actively thinking whatsoever 5. #anywagonwilldo syndrome. Actively finds excuses to vote for people and actively follows thread sentiment. 6. Increases in activity, but decreases in anaylsis/thought provoking material. 7. The no unvote re: tumble lynch. I just don't see how town sees that post doesn't want to prolong the day. I can town case myself if you want, but honestly it just looks really obvious to me. | ||
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On March 22 2016 03:50 yamato77 wrote: It's truly not apparent from your posting here at lylo that you ever considered the possibility of geript being mafia. X2 | ||
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4 minutes till lynch shenannies. | ||
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On March 22 2016 07:56 Rels wrote: He was 100% set on me but doesn't care if it's yamato who is lynched Correct. I'm 100% for votting a lynch off that's at least 50% scum. | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:28 Hapahauli wrote: The thing is, that Geript case was your most well-fleshed out and justified case by far. It's almost as if you get distracted by new reads and information too easily. TBH, that case was easy to throw off. Like, I'll get off of that lynch 100x out of 100 as town too. It's a player specific thing. There's 2 people calling each other scum who are voting with me. No one else was at all happy with that lynch. The "need to lynch" post was strategic because less than half the game was even voting at that point. I'm still counting this a W for me. Kush getting modkilled changed the strategy really heavily. IDK who we would've killed, it probably would've been yam and coasted from there to an easy victory. IDK. But the "cute" unvote was just being me. | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:29 Half the Sky wrote: That said, for someone who had shit (hardly any) time to play, geript did fairly well, I think he said somewhere in mafia qt he used the few hours he had to try and just survive and made most of his opportunities. Mind you, it's easy when a decent chunk of town are playing poor, but overall mindset was good, even if it had a few mistakes. This other point. When you look at how much control I had over a variety of lynches, then consider that I've worked 11.5 shifts in the past 2 weeks, been to the ER twice for 3 and 5 hours, often worked over an hour or two on most shifts, had 3 4-6 hour D&D sessions... Like, you can play and be active with as little as an hour or two regardless of alignment. It's why it's so important to lynch players like Tumble who have <2 pages on D3. | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:32 Rels wrote: Yeah there was no town logic behind the unvote and I shouldn't have discarded it. I'll explain it more when I'm off but there is. | ||
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On March 22 2016 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: What’s funny, is that despite all the toxicity in the thread, town was in pretty good shape overall. There was some pretty good information in the thread, and both mafia were very catchable Day 1. Rels had made a fairly excellent post on Geript... This case should get him lynched in a calmer game. The idea that someone 180’s on a scumread hard enough to derail a lynch at the last minute despite objecting to a longer day cycle is absurd. The story isn’t believable, and it is especially hard to square geript’s inactivity with the concreteness of his read progresson on Alakaslam. On the face, I understand this argument. But I think it's really wrong. The context of the "short days" post was in an environment when ~36+ hours in no one was voting or actually actively trying to get anyone lynched. I'm also a player that, as both alignments, is actively aware of who's joining who to coalesce a lynch. So when you see a really odd marriage of 2 pairs of people that basically want to lynch each other (me+tumble vs Vivax + Shape IIRC) with a random other, there's assured to be mafia on that wagon. Especially when the towniest people that day (myself, yamato and Koshi) are all voting for 3 different people. That's a really weird lynch to get behind as any alignment. That said, I think Rels really overplayed the unvote more than he should have. Don't drop the subject, I deserve at least some pressure and need to explain the why's and what not. But how overblown he made it, made it that much easier ignore with a simple hand wave. The real warning sign, IMO, wasn't the fact that I got off that lynch, but this: On March 15 2016 08:00 Hapahauli wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 2 Alakaslam (4): geript, Tumblewood, Rels, Tumblewood (3): Alakaslam, yamato77, Koshi Shapelog (0): Rels (0): Not Voting (0): That's right, on D2 I'm voting with the same crew (minus Vivax) for what reason???? IDK. This is actually I think my second mistake this game. I should've lynched Tumble here I think, but in the long run it was a bit better to have lynched Slam because it made VCA really weird between the non-confirms. FWIW, the first mistake I made was not having a clear townlist on D1. I should've had some sort of heirarchy posted because I always have that as town with reasoning for why XZY is town, neutral or scum. On March 22 2016 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: I don’t think anyone playing this game is bad. Most of you have the knowledge, experience, and intelligence you need to carry a town to victory. Players in this game fell short in leadership. This was a town where people were loud and opinionated and tried to lead, but largely failed in doing so. When I first played scum, this was the major reason why I could never understand how Kita could "feel" so active without actually being half as active as he felt. The reason why I was able to do so well this game was because I was the town leadership. I'm a good town player (not the best, but good) and I got away with a meta case which no one bothered to actually check (FYI it's totally fake) and a quite weak case on Vivax with zero repercussions. As town, you have to hold the leaders responsible at least in some regard. Koshi gets a pass because of un-CC'd blue, but I got the two lynches I wanted on D1 with 0 pressure for being wrong on both. On March 22 2016 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: Geript - + Show Spoiler + Well played, until the ending anyway. You were too blatantly obvious trying to play Yamato and Rels off each other. Being passive mafia always carries the risk that town will get their collective heads out of their asses and lynch you. I think you try to play too fancy sometimes, which can get you into trouble against a non-dysfunctional town. For example, the last minute vote-switch on Slam was a very dangerous play, that got you rightly called out by Rels. You were very fortunate that Vivax existed. Another example are some very weird posts you made in LYLO. On March 21 2016 07:08 geript wrote: Bottom line, I can write a strong town case for yam. I can't for you. Townies just don’t think like this in LYLO. It’s just very unbelievable to be 100% convinced that someone is town for those reasons at the end of a game. If you want to tell a more convincing story, you need to harness some of the paranoia and uncertainty of being a townie and put them into your posts. I don't want to take too much away. Surviving four lynches is quite the feat. But I feel you got way too overconfident towards the end. FWIW, I think I should've switched to vote Yam earlier. I think that would've kept the focus between those two while Rels would've still been tilted enough maybe not see through it. The late switch to Yam is basically forced from any alignment; it always looks bad and I didn't have enough time to respond (due to work). In 2v1 with a deadline, you have to lynch. Lynching gives you >0% of winning. Regarding the late vote switch again, I wasn't fortunate Vivax existed. It's possible because Vivax existed as he did. That's a bit odd to say, but steam was already well directed towards him and people wanted him out for a variety of reasons. I can't pull off Slam if there isn't a good secondary lynch option for obvious reasons, but because it exists it allows for it. Regarding the weird post on town-casing Yam, I honestly just think about things a bit differently than most. My townreads are just far, far better than most of my scumreads; and most my scumreads are basically explanations for why they're not town. So in endgame, me resorting to who is town and who isn't, is just kinda how I operate. Overall, yes probably overconfident and too cutesy in general. But after the modkill, I wanted to win my way. I was close, but I did fuck up a few things enough to not secure the fifth lynch. On March 22 2016 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said it before and i am gonna say it again. Don't no-kill for shit reasons (that you can't even know are true or false). You lost because of it. Had you gone to lylo with any other people than two of Koshi/yamato/Rels you win 99 time out of 100 in this game. You fucked yourself over. goodnight. If the question is: Is not killing in any of those situations better than killing? The answer is no. N1 kill moves to 5v1; which makes lynches harder which is scum favored and also decreases the clock by 1 lynch. But again, that wasn't really the point of why I was playing. I wanted to survive 5 lynches and I wanted to avoid the tracker. Yes, I could've avoided a Yam/Rels/Me lylo and instead had something a bit easier like Rels/Shape/Me. | ||
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