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On February 15 2016 01:31 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 22:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No cop hate in this setup seems very difficult on mafia, especially with a potential cop/doc setup even if it's a parity cop. The setup is a slightly more mafia friendly version of 2of4 since we replaced the sane cop with a parity cop. It's also the weaker version of the parity cop where you don't get a result unless you survive until day three. For that to happen they need to avoid d1 lynch (1/9), d2 lynch (1/7), n1 shot (1/7 or 1/6), n1 rolecop (1/6 or 1/5), and n2 shot (1/4 or 1/3) which is around a 15% chance of success for a check that you still have to interpret with "same" or "different". If there is a jailer, then either the parity cop of parity cop target getting jailed each night lowers that chance. I agree partity cop/doc is the harshest for mafia. The single blue 9 player setups typically are mafia favored. I believe mafiascum moved their newbie games over to matrix 6 to address this, but I don't think the setup is unplayable, though maybe others disagree?
Two players one slot is pretty town-favoured I'd say. I'd be tempted to remove the most town-favoured setups or include a roleblocker instead of / as well as rolecop.
I know normally town needs a little extra help in these games, but at the moment it feels like mafia are being pretty shafted
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Preliminary vote for a standard setup. I don't like the imbalance of some being partnered and others alone
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On February 26 2016 15:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Clever girl...
thanks x
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On February 29 2016 10:30 sandroba wrote:
Had not put much thought into that, but I believe it's optimal to lynch the person we believe the most is mafia should be lynched regarless of how the teamate is behaving.
Really?
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On February 29 2016 11:02 sandroba wrote:
Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline.
this explains nothing, kush.
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besides, i wanted to talk to someone good. :>
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On February 29 2016 20:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't worry babe.
it's been too long D:
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On February 29 2016 22:22 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 19:52 marvellosity wrote:On February 29 2016 11:02 sandroba wrote:
Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline. this explains nothing, kush. I think the unspoken conclusion of what sandroba says is this: it's easier for mafia to look like town than for town to look like mafia. It makes sense to me that sandroba would think that with his feels based approach to the game.
it's not unspoken, it just doesn't mean anything.
the huge advantage town has in this setup is having 2 players to evaluate.
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On February 29 2016 23:37 qob wrote:
so is the game going to actually start or what.
First 24h are always the slowest, content-wise. It'll come ^^
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On February 29 2016 23:48 Damdred wrote:
Marv what do you think of kush?
somewhat townie based on activity, although it's so early it doesn't mean much.
don't really know why he's answering for sand tbh.
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missed that Koshi post first time round, just read it in Shape's post there. Could be a typical koshi-mafia excuse or just fucking around. But it makes me want to lynch him. My cockles are warming.
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On March 01 2016 00:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm still so tired I feel drunk when I fixed my breakfast I put the cereal in the fridge and the milk in the cabinet rip me
I'm not sure because his partner said the same thing. (team koshi)
As for any significant on timing I think its just what we were discussing in the thread and to some extent I think he is correct.
How does that change it? Just means it got turned into a joke. I mean, it could easily be a joke, but you know what Koshi's like when he's scumming it up.
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On March 01 2016 00:35 Shapelog wrote:
I already have come to the conclusion that Team Koshi, is really just 2 trolls having a fun time.
we'll see. Koshi always plays to win eventually (as town)
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On March 01 2016 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 00:35 Shapelog wrote:
I already have come to the conclusion that Team Koshi, is really just 2 trolls having a fun time. we'll see. Koshi always plays to win eventually (as town) Will you lynch Ticktock with me? For science?
maybe later 
what's the science?
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On March 01 2016 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:28 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 01 2016 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 00:35 Shapelog wrote:
I already have come to the conclusion that Team Koshi, is really just 2 trolls having a fun time. we'll see. Koshi always plays to win eventually (as town) Will you lynch Ticktock with me? For science? maybe later what's the science? I'm testing my Ticktock meta. I think he's probably more likely mafia than not based on his entrance. I basically don't even care what he says from here out.
I must admit, I like my science to be a little more rigorous <3
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On March 01 2016 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I skimmed through at least 4 games to arrive at it! The science is sound, friend.
it is?
On February 29 2016 22:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Glancing at Ticktock's last few towngames, his tone is starkly different this game. However in his most recent scumgame he looks more like he's trying to emulate his townplay rather than just not give a fuck.
Ehhhhh. Ima leave it for now. See what they say.
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On March 01 2016 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
...sound within a reasonable margin of error?
COME ON, ITS THE BEST THING IN THE THREAD AND YOU KNOW IT. Did you even read his last few games marv? Did you?
I identified him as mafia in a game I vaguely watched recently, and it was based on the content, rather than "he doesn't look like any game he's played yet"
What's with the hard sell, babycakes?
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also, Damdred, update your bloody OP
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On March 01 2016 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
...sound within a reasonable margin of error?
COME ON, ITS THE BEST THING IN THE THREAD AND YOU KNOW IT. Did you even read his last few games marv? Did you? I identified him as mafia in a game I vaguely watched recently, and it was based on the content, rather than "he doesn't look like any game he's played yet" What's with the hard sell, babycakes? I meant to go to bed an hour ago and now it's too late to go to bed and am bored. No one else is jumping out at me, so I thought I'd push the only lynch I feel comfortable with. So should I take you bolding my assessment of his mafia game to imply that you expect him to look like that as mafia?
no, I'm just bolding it to point out the weakness in your own meta usage :>
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On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here.
let's play a game.
First 3 posts of a random other game:
On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly.
On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host.
On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia
town or mafia?
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On March 01 2016 01:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 01 2016 01:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
...sound within a reasonable margin of error?
COME ON, ITS THE BEST THING IN THE THREAD AND YOU KNOW IT. Did you even read his last few games marv? Did you? I identified him as mafia in a game I vaguely watched recently, and it was based on the content, rather than "he doesn't look like any game he's played yet" What's with the hard sell, babycakes? I meant to go to bed an hour ago and now it's too late to go to bed and am bored. No one else is jumping out at me, so I thought I'd push the only lynch I feel comfortable with. So should I take you bolding my assessment of his mafia game to imply that you expect him to look like that as mafia? no, I'm just bolding it to point out the weakness in your own meta usage :> It's not weakness, it's just me looking at it both ways. You're just sassy. Why so sassy?
are you, VE, really asking me, marv, why i'm sassy? 
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On March 01 2016 01:55 qob wrote:
lol wtf is this shit marvel is doing.
Can we just play the game, i know im new and stuff but this is pretty retarded.
Jumping through multiple hoops is pointless. Idc about other games, i just want to play mafia my man.
i'm making a point (or not) to sentinel. what's it to you, bumfluff?
this is mafia.
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On March 01 2016 02:55 Damdred wrote:
<< whatever marv I do what i want just becuase i updated the op doesn't mean anything.
Anyway, I don't like the random anger qob shows over nothing? It doesn't really make sense to me. I see what Marv was trying to do and him reacting that way makes 0 sense.
<3
In fairness, he probably didn't really see what i was trying to do, so the fact you understand it and he doesn't/didn't makes his reaction a little more understandable.
as a tentative idea, a newbie mafia probably doesn't decide to start insulting a senior player close to right off the bat. maybe.
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On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv.
All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these:
On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.009.cd2.com/members/how_to/images13/7.jpg)
Like, I literally post hedges.
Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic.
He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds.
Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?".
Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this.
The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad?
Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it?
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On March 01 2016 19:55 Koshi wrote:Nobody cares marv. You are mafia. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 19:52 Spikasaur wrote:On March 01 2016 19:39 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 19:28 Spikasaur wrote:On March 01 2016 11:03 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 10:56 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
INCONSEQUENTIAL FEELS LIST
marvellosity/Spikasaur As Team Fairly Odd Couple - sus
bumatlarge/VisceraEyes As Team Official Mafia Gaunlet for Underachieving Scum - sus
Rels/Race Bannon As Team Jolly & Awesome Townies - sus
The last 2 are very likely town Kush. Come on bro.... Marv is obvious mafia. His junior is afraid as fuck. I think you are the second mafia team. but I am not sure about that yet. First one town too Also. Is this a scumslip or what is this? what do you mean with is town too? You also townread these guys? Why? Clearly saying first team is town too, you wally. I like how marv scumcoaches you. "Just call them idiots"
##Vote: Team Koshi
Nobody cares that everything you write to scumread me is wrong?
We'll see 
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On March 01 2016 19:56 Koshi wrote:
Holy fuck. Most obvious mafia team ever. This will be epic. Problem is I will need to go to bed @around 20:00 which is in 8 hours so fuck that.
Let's fight it out now guys.
you can start by explaining why you're scumreading me with 3-4 reasons you know are all wrong.
Go.
Now.
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Explain yourself, Koshi. Am waiting.
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On March 01 2016 20:00 Koshi wrote:NOBODY CARES MARV. THE PEOPLE WILL CAST THEIR VOTE.
So you're admitting you misrepresented me?
Can you show me that you didn't?
Because you're building my case for me right now babycakes.
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i'll outspam you if i need to and then everyone will realise i am town anyway. you can't beat me.
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anyhoo, i am only on page 14, so we'll see what's going on
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I told Spikasaur to ignore Koshi but he ignore me too :p
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On March 01 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote:
Hi rels,
I was going to ask you to be my friend this game, that sort of special friend you curl up with and close the door with becuase you trust each other. but now i learn that you don't trust me.
It hurts my heart, why did we get to this point.
Sincerely Damdred
Anyway, I like your Koshi read (marvs also since his was first). I am trying not to read VE yet bad history there don't feel like being called a donkey yet.
hey Koshi:
What do you think of this guy then?
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so sandroba is probably town. that's nice
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On March 01 2016 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Ugh this fun Koshi = town Koshi stuff from Sentinel is bad.
Not sure if he is town or mafia.
The entire conversation is good to remember for when some flips happen. Going to post this in our QT.
lol.
"marv is mafia for posting quotes from a game as a little game"
"even though what he was doing was showing sentinel's read was bad, which i am saying myself"
gj broski
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hey Rels, why is VE mafia for blatantly not making sense?
Isn't it a little... blatant?
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On March 01 2016 20:28 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Marv why is koshi mafia rather than simply wrong here.
he's probably not tbh, given what i've read now. but i'm a proud boy and it might be even more effort to divert his tunnel if i admit this.
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On March 01 2016 08:37 Tictock wrote:
Just that I know he REALLY hates to play as scum, and I was getting a more relaxed vibe off him.
good boy
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On March 01 2016 20:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 Tictock wrote:
Just that I know he REALLY hates to play as scum, and I was getting a more relaxed vibe off him. good boy lollolololl. You should know that if you are not mafia TT is mafia for making that super intelligent read. not a "good boy"
so the logical conclusion is that we are both town
#logic
#rekt
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On March 01 2016 10:48 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 10:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. This is actually a really well-reasoned point. I think it's a townie post from koshi for sure, but I don't agree with it. Koshi, you see an agenda in that phrase but I just see marv spouting off a truism about you with no consequence attached to it.BTW, I don't think I've ever seen you get mislynched koshi. Disclaimer: I'm not townreading marv. I'm just defending him against koshi's specific point.
what world am i living in where kush is the reasonable one. deary me
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On March 01 2016 20:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 20:35 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 Tictock wrote:
Just that I know he REALLY hates to play as scum, and I was getting a more relaxed vibe off him. good boy lollolololl. You should know that if you are not mafia TT is mafia for making that super intelligent read. not a "good boy" so the logical conclusion is that we are both town #logic #rekt No it is not. It is way more likely TT is mafia and just fabricating a reason why you are town because he knows you are town and doesn't have any paranoia about you at all than that he can feel a relaxed vibe of your silly posts.
he's not the only one, by far. bad read.
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oh TicTock is suspicious of sand/qob. I don't like that :<
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On March 01 2016 20:46 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Spikasaur do you agree with Marv about koshi being mafia or is he misguided town? I don't really know what Marv thinks anymore, but I think he could be mafia. Desperately trying to get us read as mafia but with no real argument?
yes you do, so i don't know why you're posting this
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i will admit, we are having certain communication problems / teething difficulties ^^
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Spikasaur is currently trying to lynch me in our facebook chat 
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i explained that you're a cunt, if it helps
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people make assumptions like that all the time. i do it all the time.
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On March 01 2016 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
people make assumptions like that all the time. i do it all the time. It makes Damdred town. And it is a great point on FF. I mean, maybe it's wrong but it's weird FF assumed qob was misguided town.
it really doesn't. and people make that sort of assumption with their writing all the time. like i just said.
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tbh i am never going to try to go read those games. why do you say he's decent? do you think his play was decent so far this game then? is this his usual style?
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On March 01 2016 21:32 Rels wrote:
TT WOT on sandroba and qod feels super scummy. Like, it's impossible scum have so many posts that are super questionnable.
especially given the slot seems pretty townie
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the problem is, if they're going to be mafia I can't just sheep sand on cow/damdred
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On March 01 2016 21:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:
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Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it?
Are you implying he's scum here ?
i was, but i've given up on it based on the dickishness metric
and i also read the thread which helps
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when i responded to that particular post, spikasaur had linked me that post so i was reading it in isolation.
and, in fairness to me, it was a bloody terrible post.
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On March 01 2016 21:49 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:28 marvellosity wrote:tbh i am never going to try to go read those games. why do you say he's decent? do you think his play was decent so far this game then? is this his usual style? no cow is playing worse than usual. And i think cow isnt playing his normal way anymore, i thought he was earlier in the day, but definitely not anymore. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:40 Koshi wrote:
Yeah Sentinel is pretty much lock down mafia. Goddamnit. Why. WHY JEEZUS? WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US this tbh
is it different scummy? because i agreed with the stuff sand wrote, especially the stuff about the "philosophy" bit.
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On March 01 2016 21:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
hey Rels, why is VE mafia for blatantly not making sense?
Isn't it a little... blatant? Look it's you from the past. p: He GTFO out of the thread as soon as being called out on that. His come back posts are a super scummy defense (BUT I SWEAR I WAS MAKING SENSE BEFORE) and useless stuff.
you don't know VE, do you?
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On March 01 2016 21:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:49 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
hey Rels, why is VE mafia for blatantly not making sense?
Isn't it a little... blatant? Look it's you from the past. p: He GTFO out of the thread as soon as being called out on that. His come back posts are a super scummy defense (BUT I SWEAR I WAS MAKING SENSE BEFORE) and useless stuff. you don't know VE, do you? Not really. I know he has a reputation of being silly but I think I've never played with him.
i have caught and lynched VE plentiful times when he is mafia. And it has never ever been because he's going full-on ridic. It's almost always because he's too sensible, his cases make too much sense.
if you think about it, VE knows what he's writing about TicTock is a ridiculous stretch. I pointed it out, sand pointed it out. Even without anyone else that's enough. but he's sticking to it and defending it ridiculously. that's less a mafia mindset, really.
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i mean i'm in no way sure, but it does make me lean town, not mafia.
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On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear.
lol. what the fuck?
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On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear.
pretty sure your partner will end up townreading me, though. stay tuned
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On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ?
I would also love to know.
as far as i can tell, it's koshi yelling "marv you are mafia" and me pointing out that what he wrote was nonsense.
but then again, i am pretty biased.
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On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon?
tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish.
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On March 01 2016 22:57 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon? tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these: On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Like, I literally post hedges. Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?". Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this. The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad? Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=marvellosity&page=2Clearly you were flustered. This is no gibberish, its just facts. You're scum, arent you?
are you serious? I explained why it was all wrong?
are you insane?
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like Koshi LITERALLY could not disprove anything i wrote. he didn't even try. what the fuck is wrong with you?
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i read my post there and it is 100% perfection.
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On March 01 2016 23:01 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:58 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:57 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon? tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish. On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these: On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Like, I literally post hedges. Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?". Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this. The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad? Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=marvellosity&page=2Clearly you were flustered. This is no gibberish, its just facts. You're scum, arent you? are you serious? I explained why it was all wrong? are you insane? Lol again, same shit saw with sentinal. I dont have time for such low quality play, i thought this site was decent @ mafia. Were you not flustered when fighting against Koshi? Just answer this.
you're not worthy of my time any more. i'll only talk to your partner. good day.
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like so far 2 people have called my post bad or wrong, and yet both those people haven't been able to pick out a single thing about the post that was incorrect.
Reasoning: hint - it's because everything I wrote was 100% correct so it's impossible to poke holes in it.
Idiots.
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yes because Spikasaur has the clout to discredit you. great analysis koshi.
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On March 01 2016 23:16 Koshi wrote:
I already threw some bait towards spike 20 hours ago to see if they were solving the game or did anything at all. But he is not doing anything. Dnu. Pretty sure if he was town he would at least attempt to do something.
and if he was mafia i could manufacture anything for him.
maybe he's struggling and i'm a terrible teacher. your logic is poor.
he seemed to agree with me that Cow/Damdred were suspicious but he couldn't articulate why very well except for using the phrase "inconsequential wank" about Damdred's filter.
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I can only assume you're reading a different game to me Koshi.
Because Spikasaur really went in for the kill on you. lol. wow.
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On March 01 2016 23:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@marv, both cow and damdred have made decent deep thought posts.
I think you may be sheeping outdated sandroba feels.
Can I interest you in a sent lynch?
I agreed with everything sandroba wrote.
qob, who has played multiple games with TheCow, thinks his posting is suspicious. I think "decent deep thoughts" is really pushing it, especially for TheCow.
let me dig up the post from Felkyr because there was something wrong. although tbh I would agree that Sentinel in particular is playing very airy fairy.
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On March 01 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I am tunneled. But in no world marv is town. If you think he is town you are aither mafia with TMI or should enter the lottery.
every time you post something like this i am town
thx koshi
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On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote:
Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote:
I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff.
Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself.
The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point.
Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something.
i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote.
Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too.
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On March 01 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote:
It took marv 5 minutes to read the thread and see I am town. Which is solving the game. Yet he taught his junior to make 85% of his filter to descredit me and not solve the game?
yes, he thinks you're an arse for attacking us based on shitty reasons.
imo very townie. my bf is the towniest of all townies. koshi2loser.
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On March 01 2016 23:36 Koshi wrote:Weren't you on Marv/Rels or VE? Why this town now? Fucking fefe and sentinel are probably town and you are getting fucked in the ass by a scumteam marv/kush. Like I said when I spend 5 mins reading this game btw.
will you change your sig to a worshipful-marv post if you're 0/2? :>
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On March 01 2016 23:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@koshi from where I stand:
marv/spik is town (no I dont want to get into a shitfest about it with you)
jurys out of rels and ve teams.
why? you love to call me mafia.
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On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy.
it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer.
although i have dropped a little tidbit.
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On March 01 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit. Nha. This is not true.
On February 04 2016 20:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:49 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:45 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:42 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? fake afk noted just clicked on my last towngame in the database (Haunted) got pressure off GB because i didn't give a single comment on the only major important thing that had happened early game. i contend that townmarv doesn't even give opinions here and there if he doesn't want to
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like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything.
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On March 01 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit. Nha. This is not true. On February 04 2016 20:53 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:49 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:45 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:42 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? fake afk noted just clicked on my last towngame in the database (Haunted) got pressure off GB because i didn't give a single comment on the only major important thing that had happened early game. i contend that townmarv doesn't even give opinions here and there if he doesn't want to THAT IS DIFFERENT
nul points
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On March 01 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO
AND I DO THINGS WHEN I FUCKING WANT TO DO THEM AS YOU KNOW
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On March 01 2016 23:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@marv FF has been rolling scum a lot lately. He expressed scum burnout before cell. In cell he got town but his cell was first so he got very little play time.
If he were to roll scum again I'd imagine he'd still be burned out.
ah. yeah, this is a point.
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Koshi, why are you finding kush suspicious, exactly?
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On March 02 2016 01:15 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 01 2016 08:15 TheCow wrote:
sandroba did not understand the point of my post and voted for me. qob feels town to me, and because I know how to read him, I am reading the slot as town.
sandroba himself is scummy for reasons I implied earlier. yeah this post doesn't really make sense. Contradictions that are super obvious don't make me scumread people though. I read it as sandroba being scummy because he voted thecow without understanding the cow's post (the one about philosophy). I think Sandroba understood TheCows post very well and I fail to see why TheCow would think otherwise. Sure, maybe Sandroba's conclusion about him being scum is incorrect but that's just early pushing. I feel like TheCow's overall reaction and mindset is more likely to come from mafia than town, regardless of the contradiction in the post itself.
just so
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I'm promoting Felkyr to senior player for actually playing the game of mafia.
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On March 02 2016 01:26 Shapelog wrote:
He drops me and Kush and now puts Marv/Spike? Without explaining why or how he came to them being scum?
thanks for reminding me :p
##Vote Team Cownadow
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On March 02 2016 01:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:34 Koshi wrote:On March 02 2016 01:31 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 01:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 02 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 00:59 Queenfestor wrote:On March 02 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 00:43 Queenfestor wrote:On March 02 2016 00:21 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry guys, you seem to have a lot more energy for this than I do. I thought sentinel and Rels were being a bit aggressive for the first day but I guess that's a good thing in today's mafia. Koshi is posting exactly like I remember. Kush stands out but I can't call it bad just not his norm. I'm not feeling the drive to scum hunt, maybe it's just early in the game or its me being burnt out from mafia, but I promise I'll try. Just maybe not right now. So when u talk about early aggresion - might u explain me how u think about the early aggresion of your junior? Did you read the whole thread ? I did except posts #540-~600 which i skipped due to the wall of texts while i am being sleeping / work - didnt thought this is going 2 be discussing any further - did i missed sthm? No idea. It's a super weird attitude to skip posts. Any reads ? Who is town and who is scum in your mind ? Why is it a weird attitude? I skipped most of the shitfest between koshi/marv. So not the first thing I wanted to read in the morning. 'cause reading words is how you find scum. nha I skipped the first 15 pages of this game. Thanks for being a living proof that my theory is correct.
LOL
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On March 02 2016 01:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 01:26 Shapelog wrote:
He drops me and Kush and now puts Marv/Spike? Without explaining why or how he came to them being scum?
thanks for reminding me :p ##Vote Team Cownadow Goddamn you are desperate.
and you're a shit-tier player, so i guess we're even
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On March 02 2016 01:43 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 01:26 Shapelog wrote:
He drops me and Kush and now puts Marv/Spike? Without explaining why or how he came to them being scum?
thanks for reminding me :p ##Vote Team Cownadow Opportunistic you are.
except there are clues i am going this way on pages 2,3,4, and 5 of my filter
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On March 02 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
tbh marv should actually get a ban for bad language. But guess hosts tolerate this abuse. Dnu why tbh.
because you are consistently obnoxious.
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On March 02 2016 01:52 Koshi wrote:
I am actually playing the game. It is forbidden to scumread sombody?
nope, and it's not forbidden to be obnoxious either, so i guess you're two for two.
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scumread me all you like. but try to do it less obnoxiously. believe it or not i don't want to lose my cool at you, but you bring it out by being you.
so maybe just keep your scumread if it pleases you but stop nagging at every single thing i say. because what i say is fantastic. okay, it's not fantastic, but it also doesn't need you jabbing at me every time i say something.
okay?
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like, if you scumread me. i made that longish post trying to say why all your points were incorrect.
your response: "not going to respond, LOL YOU ARE MAFIA" x100. That = obnoxious. I think everything I wrote about your post was totally valid and you refused to respond to it. I don't know why you play like that. It's unnecessary.
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On March 02 2016 01:56 Koshi wrote:
Nha. A decent amount of points I made were echooed by other players. I just get flamed while others get answers. It's ok. You are town.
echoed by who exactly?
Sentinel? lol
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the other one got an answer because he's not been digging at me all bloody game long.
and if i told you i'd been thinking about cow/damdred since i read the thread today would you just mock me for it? i think yes. so why bother making a proper response to you.
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On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious".
Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv.
So because I'm trying to see both sides of your alignment rather than just tunnelling, i am mafia?
okay sent, that's great.
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On March 02 2016 02:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious".
Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. So because I'm trying to see both sides of your alignment rather than just tunnelling, i am mafia? okay sent, that's great. A combination of seeing both sides of me when nobody else is, and the fact that you don't use any hard language. You don't say this is towny or scummy. It's just understandable or suspicious. Everyone else then commutes these points.
scummy = suspicious. the two are almost synonymous. I don't find townie things suspicious.
as for when nobody else is - well, that's because i'm better than the scrubs.
but i guess you can scumread me for being totes amazeballs. i am okay with this. my sincerest apologies for looking at both sides of the argument once again.
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sentinel really making me want to tunnel him to oblivion
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On March 02 2016 02:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:29 marvellosity wrote:sentinel really making me want to tunnel him to oblivion Go ahead, it'll make your filter look nicer.
so in your (apparently townie) world, it looks better if i tunnel a townie rather than look at both sides to discern your alignment?
are you for real?
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On March 02 2016 02:42 Koshi wrote:
Dnu feels like I should either ignore this game or get replaced.
well, we both made each other feel the same way, then. but let's power through, hmm?
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On March 02 2016 02:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 02:42 Koshi wrote:
Dnu feels like I should either ignore this game or get replaced. well, we both made each other feel the same way, then. but let's power through, hmm? Show me my obnoxiousness before you and you junior flamed me. You posted a green hedge as reply to my initial scumread. I should have dropped my read on you that easily? Then you call me obnoxious because I refuse to call you town after that while you didnt even bother to read the last 10 pages in the game before voting me.
I posted a hedge to show I hedged. I also addressed, rationally, all the rest of the points in the post you quoted.
You then refused to respond to that post at all and just called me mafia, refusing over and over again to respond to my post. Anyone reading the thread can verify this. You can verify this.
You've still not responded to that post, how anything I said in it was wrong or unfair or misrepresenting. It's still a 100% legit deconstruction of what you said, I'm afraid.
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Koshi is town. I am town. kush is town. VE is probably town. sandroba/qob are town.
4 slots left.
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maybe i am wrong on cow/damdred and mafia is in the other slots. maybe it's sentinel indeed, based on his reasoning for scumreading me.
maybe rels is mafia for throwing scum on VE because I think even a player who has not played with VE before should understand the general heuristics of someone being kinda crazy-ridiculous does not = mafia, that's not VE-specific. Plus his team-mate is much more afk than my bf, even.
i don't really know how to tell exactly.
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unlike VE (lol?) I find TicTock's lighthearted tone at the start to be more likely to come from town. But I'm struggling to get around his sandroba/qob read as I don't really think it's reasonable. But Queenfestor's post to bumandlarge about his team-mate's aggressiveness made me smile, but i'm not sure that's a great reason to clear him.
Picking between the 4 teams remaining i've outlined is kinda difficult.
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If sentinel is basing everything on meta I should be lock town to him...
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Feeling good about our vote given what the people I'm unsure of are saying in the last page or so
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On March 02 2016 05:04 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 05:02 marvellosity wrote:
Feeling good about our vote given what the people I'm unsure of are saying in the last page or so Can you be more specific?
Mid exercise so later on maybe. Just compare what all the teams I didn't call town are doing with their suspicions.
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On March 02 2016 05:18 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 05:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 02 2016 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 04:50 marvellosity wrote:
If sentinel is basing everything on meta I should be lock town to him... I can make jokes too. Nah the only meta so far I'm taking into account is kush's, and even then he's only slightly green to me atm. Didn't you just meta shapelog about shitposting, or was that just a joke? Also you didn't answer my question right. The game is exactly how it is right now but you are scum. What team would you push to lynch? thecow/damdred? Kush why are you assuming constantly that damdred/cow are town?
Are you your newbie's bitch?
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Kush why are you pushing so hard against sand and my read?
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I'm upset that damdy isn't upset that I'm voting him.
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The undertone of that is because he's mafia in case anyone is drowning in my subtlety.
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He's with me though, which means he gets protected by my umbrella of sweet assness
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I hope I'm not being fooled by sand but all his posts make a lot of sense and heavily mirror things that I think. Sand is an exceptionally strong town player and I think his reasoning is good. Town should sheep me sheeping him
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On March 02 2016 06:49 Spikasaur wrote:
Where is TheCow?
Top townie question.
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On March 02 2016 07:42 Rels wrote:
Im way too drunk to reead anything so my olast post shouldsay what i think
I trust barron to vote good
based on his stellar input this game, that is?
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On March 02 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
Ok house to go.
I'm not green or red,
I rhyme with mooo
God I'm punny
serious or what?
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you may as well claim fully at this point?
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On March 02 2016 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Boss standing over shoulder all night can't type and reply very well except in bursts.
If I have to fully claim I will I just thought it better to not claim fully to give mafia better guess of setup. I'm so upset if this is real.
why? it's kinda best case scenario in a way. sure we lose a blue if it's real, but we also save quite a possible mislynch
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This has all gone a bit wrong. Ff making me unsure if I was right not to vote him, but I can't really explain why. Otherwise um. Only got tt's weird sand read and I'm not sure that's enough
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Could probably spite lynch sent for his read on me tbh
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On March 02 2016 09:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
Could probably spite lynch sent for his read on me tbh Yeah but you have principles. Also it's gonna be the biggest pain in your ass when I flip green
It really would be.
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On March 02 2016 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
Could probably spite lynch sent for his read on me tbh I could spite lynch you for getting sassy. But wat ya gonna do?
No you couldn't bby
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That's a bit over dramatic Ve
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The Ve stuff was kinda weird. Spikasaur wants to lynch tictock and queenfestor but can't really explain why.
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well, mafia love defending townies, right
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surprisingly mafia don't scumread 7 people at a time, dear
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On March 02 2016 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
But its END OF DAY marv, he couldn't have known Dam would claim. Why not just let it happen? That's my point, why not just quietly let town kill him? Or better yet, cast in his lot with the others?
Why do I have to spell this out? LOL
because ff/sent are town maybe?
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On March 02 2016 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 09:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
But its END OF DAY marv, he couldn't have known Dam would claim. Why not just let it happen? That's my point, why not just quietly let town kill him? Or better yet, cast in his lot with the others?
Why do I have to spell this out? LOL because ff/sent are town maybe? Are they?
well, they are/were the main alternative wagon right. so if damdred was also town, mafia could just defend one of the two main townies on the block
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On March 02 2016 09:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Why are people not voting anal prolapse seriously?
So much sxumminess.
No towniness.
Ff is here in the thread chatting but that is nai.
that's quite a good description tbh. i might have to vote them because i don't know what else to do and it's not really fair to wait to the last minute
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i was corrected to *we might have to vote them :p
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i think i'm going to waste my vote on blahvacado as i can't really muster up anything either way to tell people not to vote the rels slot or the sentinel slot, i think they could be mafia. queenfestor is kinda a non-entity and the only thing i got is tictock's weird read on sand/qob, so yea.
##vote team blahvacado
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also i can just blame spike
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On March 02 2016 09:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
marv that is a cowardly vote.
it is
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I was stoned and I had no idea what to do.
In hindsight I should have voted for FF/Sentinel but I didn't. I essentially didn't know what to do from 00:00 - 00:40 and made that vote just because.
Spike might be a newbie but he had a feeling even if he couldn't explain it very well, I had the weird sand/qob read from TT which i still think doesn't make sense.
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real talk here:
my main mafia read was cownadow. they claimed blue. If I am mafia then I can *easily*, and I am gonna write it several more times, *easily* easily easily throw my vote on Rels with absolutely no recriminations.
I said myself earlier in the day that I found Rels' push on VE pretty weird, and his partner had nothing. Others pointed out the weird drunk post leaving the vote to his newbie.
At some point in the last hour I went and looked at where Felkyr put his vote, because the teams that should be town at that stage were Felkyr/Koshi and the uncounterclaimed blue.
Sadly Felkyr had his vote on Rels so it didn't give me much. But with Felkyr/Damdred on Rels, unless i'm a total moron, i can vote Rels scott free as mafia instead of making a REALLY OBVIOUS THROWAWAY vote.
Like I can see what some of you might be thinking - zomg marv, you're trying to clear yourself as townie with a throwaway vote. Well, sort of. But what I'm more saying is, there is absolutely nothing scum indicative about my vote when it's really obvious I could have put it on Rels.
Just sayin' like.
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unfortunately, rels being town and damdred being un-cc blue does make it rather much more likely that sent/ff are mafia after all
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On March 02 2016 20:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Marv how are you feeling in regards to ve?
less positive than before i guess? i kinda liked how he was approaching EOD until he disappeared :/
and i know this is a little hypocritical maybe, but he seemed to have next to nothing to say about sent/ff. if i'm wrong on one of my d1 townreads (which looks increasingly likely) this may be it. but i still don't feel it. but i can be wrong.
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did you have to use that exact terminology? xD
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this is the point in proceedings where i explain to him in chat what throwing someone under the bus means in mafia...
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should go without saying, but damdred you need to jail offensively, and maybe (or not, but maybe, or not, but maybe) take a punt on the more hidden mafia as they'd be carrying kp. or wifom. but yeah. roll the dice.
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hmm, just found something kinda weird about VE.
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So VE is relentlessly attacking TicTock all day right? Even shortly before the below post, VE is absolutely convinced TT is mafia.
On March 02 2016 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sand why would TT defending Damdred make him mafia? At the time there was a wagon building on him DamnedCow right? Why would he go to the trouble?
but sand makes a point about TT defending Damdred and VE suddenly doesn't understand why? VE is *so* *fucking* *convinced* TT is mafia, but can't fathom how a mafia-TT couldn't defend Damdred? And he goes on to argue with me about it and then disappear.
I don't really understand how VE can be totally convinced TT is mafia for 45 hours of the day and then suddenly backtrack like this
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dunno why this didn't occur to me at the time
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On March 02 2016 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wouldn't say "completely convinced". I spent a lot of time defending my thought process sure, but it was just that - defending my initial thought process against an onslaught of Rels/TT hate.
I would.
On March 02 2016 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh Ticktock Ticktock.
You should have just left well enough alone. Now I KNOW you're mafia, and nothing will stop us from cleansing you with holy rope.
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On March 02 2016 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nothing, that is, except EoD. Tomorrow though. Tomorrow.
##Unvote
##Vote: Damandcowthing
Until I get my bearings, the opposing wagon to whomever Ticktock is voting will suffice.
your next post where you are still clearly stating you believe TicTock is mafia.
good one VE.
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yes yes. let me read it properly. somehow missed you calling him town in it at the time
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so what, exactly, changed in the 10 minutes between TicTock being lock mafia and then town?
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it's nothing like it. you tunnelled TT all game long. don't compare your throwaway comments to that.
you were convinced enough that he was mafia to tell him you KNOW he is mafia, convinced enough to simply vote whatever wagon he wasn't.
so, what changed?
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answer the fucking question
how did you go from "I KNOW you are mafia, i am voting whoever you are not"
to
"you are town"
explain. why are you finding this so difficult?
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i may well do.
so, what did you find so townie to cause this abrupt turnaround in a 10 minute timespan?
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like the change of read just feels unnatural, there was nothing to cause it, no precursor, in fact you'd just come in to the thread with renewed vigour for killing him.
then poof! he's town
you should be able to see why this looks odd.
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i can see you bloody changed your mind, that was never the question, was it
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On March 02 2016 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
It occurred to me that perhaps Rels was just mafia fanning what he thought could be a Town on Town shitfest, and then pieces just started falling into place. Like, I don't know what you want me to tell you marv, I don't know how many different ways I can say "I changed my mind in that time"
so now Rels has flipped town, does that change your opinion on TicTock?
or still town?
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On March 02 2016 21:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find odd is that you're only asking me about it now.
if you've been reading you really shouldn't be finding it odd. it should be pretty clear to you i missed you calling TT town in that post at the time.
if you're finding it odd, that's odd.
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On March 02 2016 21:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Still town. His filter is just fine, it was just the trolly beginning that I was really off-put by, besides the huge failpost on me.
so who is mafia? (1 will do)
We noticed that you managed not to say a single word about FF/Sentinel while you were in the thread yesterday evening.
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in fact miraculously, your team managed to never mention the most hotly debated team all day long
quite a talent
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well, Spike was saying to me last night that he'd still love to kill Koshi, but Koshi/Felkyr both look town. like the meta about koshi not being able to be a **** as mafia is still pretty bang on
from my perspective i called 5 teams town or likely town yesterday, and now 2 of the others are (likely) town (Rels/Damdred).
So either mafia is exactly FF/Sent + TT/Queenfestor or my townreads are wrong. sand/qob and koshi/felkyr all look *individually* very town to me for varying reasons (sand making tons of sense + trying, qob being enthusiastic/arrogant, koshi being involved + obnoxious, felkyr very productive).
so that leaves VE + bum, kush + shape. Shape is a non-entity, but i know he's capable of posting a million times as mafia, and kush seems to have been trying and also really tried to get Sent/FF lynched.
bum has literally zero reasons to be townie. so i gotta look hard at you.
feel free to stare at my enormous swingers also.
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why do you think we're having this conversation? ^_^
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i'm sure that makes sense somehow :p
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ah yes, of course. i will clear you immediately
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On March 02 2016 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well I'm town dude so just factor that in.
so let's say for the moment you take my word for it that koshi and felkyr are town.
i'm gonna assume that ff/sent are gonna be 1 of your 2. who would the 2nd be?
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you got a friend, VE
So I could be talking out my arse. Do you think there's potential Koshi could actually be mafia?
You said his posting style when he's scum is weak and quiet, that he's an asshole when he's town. What if he's just showing off, trying to be the big I am to his teammate AND the newbies? What if he's just being a bit reckless, because he still wouldn't back down even after numerous people told him lol w/e, but still carried on for nearly all day. Maybe I'm overthinking, but it would make sense for him to get rid of a player he deems powerful and strong (you) and pick on his weakspot (me)?
The game dynamic is obviously different, and many people had issue with the setup or other things, he hadn't said a word.
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sure it is. it's just text, no timestamps or formatting. i could be making it up for all you know!
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On March 02 2016 23:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
sure it is. it's just text, no timestamps or formatting. i could be making it up for all you know! right but then theoretically we could have everyone post from their partner QTs and scum would be fucked.
PMs:
You may PM only your partner. Mafia members may PM their entire faction. Each pair will be provided with a quicktopic. You may not post the link to your QT in the thread. The mafia team will receive an additional quicktopic for factional communication.
i consider this topic closed, kush.
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On March 02 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote:so look at this!!!!!!! Show nested quote + so you'll be like sigmeud freud all "tell me your dreams...sex with your mom" and shit I mean for all you know, me and kush are just making this up.
100% not made up
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On March 02 2016 23:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's a gray area I'd be willing to ignore...but if you're right we could win very easily with this strategy:
Wait for sent or FF to be in the thread.
Tell them "As quickly as you can, quote your qt."
If they can very quickly post a lot of discussion back and forth, we know they are town.
well, our QT is empty, so i couldn't even "prove" mine and Spike's innocence in that manner ^^
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wow sand
much copy
you must like imitating the pros <3
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On March 03 2016 04:50 sandroba wrote:
I think the mafia is probably Anal and OMGUS. TT looks a lot townier than both.
There is no comment whatsoever (or any analysis of team anal on VE's part) on the possibility of ever voting team ANAL. He simply goes directly to team cow -> considers voting TT for a split second -> vote Rels for no apparent reason.
I know this is a bit of an associative read but I'm finding it hard to see a world where team ANAL is not mafia.
based on this post, damdred should probably roleblock TT.
#wifom
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On March 03 2016 05:02 sandroba wrote:
But really damdred/cow were supposed to be mafia instead.
yes
i'd still lynch thecow based on his filter tbh
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Rels is right. Modkills should simply not care about gamestate.
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On March 06 2016 20:15 Rels wrote:
Town played super badly and deserved to lose.
Scum played super badly and deserved to lose.
Host made a mistake that decided the game.
Overall a pretty bad game. But I liked the setup concept, it was super cool.
Speak for yourself, i played nearly perfectly.
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On March 06 2016 20:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 20:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2016 20:15 Rels wrote:
Town played super badly and deserved to lose.
Scum played super badly and deserved to lose.
Host made a mistake that decided the game.
Overall a pretty bad game. But I liked the setup concept, it was super cool. Speak for yourself, i played nearly perfectly. Still have no idea why you townread ve.
because he *does* do retarded shit as town
i got cownado right and then realised i made a wrong townread and attacked the townread i thought i got wrong before i died.
sandroba played a perfect day 1 but unfortunately couldn't see through VE on the final day when VE was the only one confident in the state of affairs which was super scummy, which Koshi eventually kinda realised.
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On March 07 2016 19:44 Rels wrote:
Anyway TT I liked your mindset this game, you had good thoughts that happened to be wrong but whatever it was super cool to read how sandroba was scum for participating in a scum plan. It could have been true. But how you played your role was kinda bad.
Here's the problem. A lot of things *can* be true. However, are they really likely to be true?
sand was as close to lock town for his day 1 play as it's possible to be. All the rest is conspiratorial fluff.
Sure 1 in 20 or 50 times you'll get the #bigplays and actually be right about it (if you're lucky) but most of the time you're trying to lynch a townie based on nothing.
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On March 07 2016 20:10 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 11:10 Tictock wrote:
Clearly Shit tier... have I ever claimed to be good?
We should just roll with this. You shouldn't put a lot of faith in my tinfoil if it's not adding up. I'm also not keen to be NK'd early on. ^.^
I'm not saying it to insult your play or anything. I like having you in games, you're enjoyable to play with. Just hopefully you can see what happened and maybe it'll help you improve next time?
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