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I'm /in as junior but only if you need me (i.e. if you do the original setup). I don't have tons of time and activity might be low.
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Hi guys! I've decided to not post in this thread until Koshi has posted in our QTs.
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On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:please read this Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post
Qob, how would you compare Sentinel's entry posts to your own teammate, Sandroba, his entry posts?
Did you realize FF is Sentinel's partner?
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On March 01 2016 01:35 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 01 2016 01:27 Shapelog wrote: I do wonder how much nutritional value a Blahvacado has. Well if we're going by content then he's about as nutritious as stale cardboard... Same for us all at the moment, no? Game hasn't really picked up yet.
Talking about one lurker + one active, you have any town or scum leans, Spike?
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On March 01 2016 01:47 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:36 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: Which advice did you think was scummy? please read this On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Qob, how would you compare Sentinel's entry posts to your own teammate, Sandroba, his entry posts? Did you realize FF is Sentinel's partner? Sandroba's entry post? Like, for the thread or the game? No im focusing on Sentinel rn, not this FF person.
The game... Please answer the question.
Regardless of it being a good opening post or not, do you agree with Sentinel's statement in it (1 lurker + 1 active = scummy)?
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On March 01 2016 01:47 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:36 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: Which advice did you think was scummy? please read this On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Qob, how would you compare Sentinel's entry posts to your own teammate, Sandroba, his entry posts? Did you realize FF is Sentinel's partner? Sandroba's entry post? Like, for the thread or the game? No im focusing on Sentinel rn, not this FF person.
I'm more bothered by the fact that Qob says he's focusing on Sentinel but he doesn't even know who his teammate is or does any effort in actually understanding the context of his (couple of) posts. Qob's opening post was just lousy; I don't think he was focused on Sentinel at all, he was just trying too hard to find something of value to post about.
I didn't like his rant against Marv either but I don't think it's AI.
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On March 01 2016 04:05 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:10 Felkyr wrote:. I didn't like his rant against Marv either but I don't think it's AI. It's definitely AI. However at this juncture I wouldn't know how to argue in favor of it being AI here specifically, nor how to follow through with the actual reduction process. Your determination to declare it otherwise seems out of place notwithstanding, so help me understand how something that's either faked by mafia or real when a townie does it is not AI.
I misinterpreted Marv's earlier post:
On March 01 2016 01:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:55 qob wrote: lol wtf is this shit marvel is doing.
Can we just play the game, i know im new and stuff but this is pretty retarded.
Jumping through multiple hoops is pointless. Idc about other games, i just want to play mafia my man. i'm making a point (or not) to sentinel. what's it to you, bumfluff? this is mafia.
Thought he meant Qob's play was mafia. I think it can come from either alignment, so I said I don't think it makes him mafia, which I called (maybe incorrectly) 'not AI'.
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So, based on this:
On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote: Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv.
And the fact that Spikasaur is totally useless:
On March 01 2016 01:58 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:44 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 01:35 Spikasaur wrote:On March 01 2016 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 01 2016 01:27 Shapelog wrote: I do wonder how much nutritional value a Blahvacado has. Well if we're going by content then he's about as nutritious as stale cardboard... Same for us all at the moment, no? Game hasn't really picked up yet. Talking about one lurker + one active, you have any town or scum leans, Spike? No leans really. Come back soon when there's been further progression?
Nothing ever happened... (read his filter, seems horrible to me)
Team Koshi™ has decided to ##Vote Team Fairly Odd Couple
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On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me.
Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense.
On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either.
Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself.
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On March 01 2016 22:55 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something.
So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? From what I know, UON believes he is hiding something due to contradictions or something like that. Most notable his joke.
Hi Shape, you seem to be following the thread well and said you would get active in the last 24h of the day. Do you have any reads so far cause I've not really found anything in your filter? You comment a lot on the posts but haven't posted on your progression in finding scum.
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On March 01 2016 23:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What the actual fuck is mafia on mafia supposed to mean. Answer my question.
Anyways, I have to kill an exam but I'll be back later in the day. If you aren't already, please continue sheeping me until that point. It improves the quality of my reads when I see people being wrong.
Koshi thinks Marv is scum. He also thought that the 'three-quote game' Marv played with you could never come from scum-scum interactions. Hence, you are not scum. However, I pointed out that those interactions can come from scum-scum so you can still be scum when Marv is scum.
That being said, I think FF/Sentinel is a good lynch. There are other newbies who are not doing well at all, but I think FF has been the most useless veteran so far. The combination of the two is just horrible. They need to post more before EOD.
##Unvote ##Vote Team Anal Prolapse
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On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Show nested quote +Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too.
Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this:
On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it.
Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed?
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On March 01 2016 23:56 marvellosity wrote: like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything.
Would you vote for FF/Sentinel if they don't post more before the EOD?
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On March 01 2016 21:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:48 Spikasaur wrote:On March 01 2016 20:29 Koshi wrote: This is what happened at the Faerie House.
Spikasaur: OMG marv my darling, this brilliant player named Koshi from the Team Koshi is on to us. O Lord. What shall we do? marvellosity: Darling don't worry your pretty head. Even though Koshi is a brilliant player, we got to discredit him. Just call him bad. Just type some random stuff. Just try not to scumclaim. Spikasaur: Ok I will try. *5 seconds later* Spikasaur: Woops, I think I scumslipped. marvellosity: It's ok my darling, I got this covered, I am going to call him mafia. Spikasaur: But what should I do darling? I have done what you asked and popped in 10 pages to show activity. But this brilliant and extremely talented Koshi always asks me these hard questions though, I don't know how to answer them. marvellosity: just type random things sweetie, and try to brush off that scumslip like it was nothing. Act dumb. I am going to read the game and call some obvious townies town to try to get them on my good side.
***To be continued*** Speaking with Marv, apparently you're always a cunt when you play as town, because you're too pussy to be one when mafia. I guess this could further that. Town. Marv gave this as a reason to townread Koshi later so it's 100% true htey communicated on that. They have little reason to communicate on marv's reason to townread Koshi if they are scum.
Rels, I'm assume you have other reasons to put Marv/Spike in your town-list but I don't think this should be one of them. I can very easily see Marv saying this to Spike even when they are Mafia. They know each other IRL...
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On March 01 2016 23:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @marv, both cow and damdred have made decent deep thought posts. I think you may be sheeping outdated sandroba feels.
Can I interest you in a sent lynch?
You say Damdred has made decent posts, but his one post that was actually trying to do something you called out as a scum-slip:
On March 01 2016 12:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 11:50 Damdred wrote:Actually yes I was sort of waiting for FF to respond to me in serousness but hes not, and this is the reasoning behind why I asked FF his read on QOB. There are a couple of mindsets that you have as town in a game when someone comes after you, like qob is doing to FF. 1) This person is scum trying to discredit me or try to get a mislynch on me. 2) This person after careful consideration is town whos in a tunnel, but they are still town. Generally especially early in the game mindset one is really prominent especially when information isn't as readily available. Here is what FF said On March 01 2016 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 01 2016 08:50 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote: qob why are you being so arrogant? For a player of my stature im being quite humble. I mean, i have found scum, why would i not try to expose them? Please, this is Mafia 101 my friend. Except you have not found scum so your arrogance is misplaced FF instead of trying to figure out QOB alignment or even divulge his read on him automatically takes mindset two. It is hinted at strongly by the sentence structure and how he says it, he sees QOB as being misguided and scum can't be misguided for going after a towny, only a town can be misguided. So FF townreads QOB for going after his team in Sent and FF. I wanted FF to explain his townread, becuase my initial feelings is that FF is scum who slipped because he knows he deserves the pressure. This point is kind of scumslip like. My problem with this is experiential rather than theoretical. I've scumread people who have said stuff like this in the same paragraph as nullreading someone, and they turned out to be town. So I don't think it means he actually has a townread on quob.
Can you elaborate more on your Damdred read (which posts do you think were good?) cause I have difficulty reading him.
Also, you said you like TheCows post:
On March 01 2016 22:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:damdred/thecow
thecow is being tight-lipped for the most part. I checked this out: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:44 TheCow wrote: #243-244 appears to be an attempt to discredit the attack against Sentinel -- his partner. Leveraging the style of qob as well as his newness to sidestep the read. He's talking about these quotes: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:10 Fecalfeast wrote: qob is new but trying hard to throw scum on my partner because he was aggresive and voted me.
Wowie Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:11 Fecalfeast wrote: I like that you're trying qob but you're off to a bad start I think it's a smart way to describe what FF is doing. As for damdred, he's reading the thread closely so that gives him townpoints. Verdict: town enough
But you missed his other post significant post:
On March 01 2016 08:15 TheCow wrote: sandroba did not understand the point of my post and voted for me. qob feels town to me, and because I know how to read him, I am reading the slot as town.
sandroba himself is scummy for reasons I implied earlier.
I don't like this post at all. Even is Sandroba is mistaken about the point of TheCow's post, Sandroba's post was good and the pressure on TheCow is justified. So his reason to find Sandroba scummy is very weak in my opinion, but he does so regardless. It's just a bad reaction to being called out. However! He can read Qob and he feels town, so the slot must be town, right? But! Sandroba is still scummy, because of that one reaction post. He is trying to discredit Sandroba's post by calling it scummy, but at the same time doesn't dare to call him scum. Not a real defense and no progression either.
Do you not agree that this post is bad? Why did you leave it out of your analysis?
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On March 02 2016 00:59 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 00:44 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 02 2016 00:40 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 00:17 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: You're welcome for saving you from having to read Shapelog. No you didn't. They still read my name. Try better. i meant giving a read on your alignment, which is impossible :p Pfffff, I can self meta myself. Is Shapelog Shit posting? If yes ->Is Shapelog pushing Town agenda? if yes, Mafia if no, Town If No, is he posting WOT's and being town read? if yes, Mafia if no, Town.
I thought you were working on some reads for me? Is that too town-agenda to fit your meta?
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On March 02 2016 01:02 Shapelog wrote:@At Felk. Kush in 1st post was talking about FF Show nested quote + "So FF townreads QOB for going after his team in Sent and FF. I wanted FF to explain his townread, becuase my initial feelings is that FF is scum who slipped because he knows he deserves the pressure." -Damdred
Show nested quote + "This point is kind of scumslip like. My problem with this is experiential rather than theoretical. I've scumread people who have said stuff like this in the same paragraph as nullreading someone, and they turned out to be town. So I don't think it means he actually has a townread on quob." -Kush
I let my partner explain the rest since he would know more.
I obviously can't read long walls of text and stay focused... Sorry.
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On March 02 2016 01:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:15 TheCow wrote: sandroba did not understand the point of my post and voted for me. qob feels town to me, and because I know how to read him, I am reading the slot as town.
sandroba himself is scummy for reasons I implied earlier. yeah this post doesn't really make sense. Contradictions that are super obvious don't make me scumread people though. I read it as sandroba being scummy because he voted thecow without understanding the cow's post (the one about philosophy).
I think Sandroba understood TheCows post very well and I fail to see why TheCow would think otherwise. Sure, maybe Sandroba's conclusion about him being scum is incorrect but that's just early pushing. I feel like TheCow's overall reaction and mindset is more likely to come from mafia than town, regardless of the contradiction in the post itself.
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On March 02 2016 01:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:15 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 01:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 01 2016 08:15 TheCow wrote: sandroba did not understand the point of my post and voted for me. qob feels town to me, and because I know how to read him, I am reading the slot as town.
sandroba himself is scummy for reasons I implied earlier. yeah this post doesn't really make sense. Contradictions that are super obvious don't make me scumread people though. I read it as sandroba being scummy because he voted thecow without understanding the cow's post (the one about philosophy). I think Sandroba understood TheCows post very well and I fail to see why TheCow would think otherwise. Sure, maybe Sandroba's conclusion about him being scum is incorrect but that's just early pushing. I feel like TheCow's overall reaction and mindset is more likely to come from mafia than town, regardless of the contradiction in the post itself. Sandroba: "w/e that means"=he doesn't understand it
That's not the same... I think he very well understood what TheCow was saying, he just dismisses it as being crap. Still doesn't change the nature of TheCow's reaction though.
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On March 02 2016 01:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Actually thecow was referring to a specific discussion he didnt' think was useful when he talked about "philosophy": Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 10:17 Damdred wrote: Depends on the circumstances.
My general philosophy after some headaches is lynch when we have a cc situation otherwise let mafia deal with it during the night.
If it's late in game it's best to,ignore the claim and parse them from what they did during the game. Obviously probably will have a cc in this situation.
How do you come to that conclusion? I don't think that is true. But even if it is true, again, it doesn't change anything about TheCow's reaction. That was only one part of Sandroba's post.
Why are you defending TheCow like this?
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On March 01 2016 05:39 sandroba wrote: His post sounds fake as shit. Says he can't understand the "philosophy" of the thread (w/e that means) and it's mostly filler discussion right when the game is starting to pick up, and his post itselft is filler with no reasoning for anything or any new ideas. The comentary on the meta ignores the fact we are questioning the player who made said meta and dismisses it for no reason. Pretty much as generic filler fake post as you can get. Doesn't sound like a townie interested in people's alignments at all.
This was Sandroba's post. The Philosophy part is only a minor point in not disliking TheCow's post. Even if he IS referring to the actual post by Damdred, it doesn't change anything about the fact that it is filler and Sandroba's point had merit. Why does that make Sandroba scum?? Just agree it's a bad post and move along. TheCow's post included below for clarity.
On March 01 2016 05:24 TheCow wrote: I do not understand the point of the philosophy being posted in this thread. It seems like filler discussion to me.
Sential is sticking out to me. I am reading the slot as scum at this point.
The current meta-ing occurring looks like a dead-end and I do not understand why it is still being pursued.
How many games has Viscera played?
Also, Snape, note that TheCow does NOT add Sandroba's team to his scum list, since he thinks Qob is town.
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On March 02 2016 01:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 01:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 02 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 00:59 Queenfestor wrote:On March 02 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 00:43 Queenfestor wrote:On March 02 2016 00:21 bumatlarge wrote: Sorry guys, you seem to have a lot more energy for this than I do. I thought sentinel and Rels were being a bit aggressive for the first day but I guess that's a good thing in today's mafia. Koshi is posting exactly like I remember. Kush stands out but I can't call it bad just not his norm. I'm not feeling the drive to scum hunt, maybe it's just early in the game or its me being burnt out from mafia, but I promise I'll try. Just maybe not right now. So when u talk about early aggresion - might u explain me how u think about the early aggresion of your junior? Did you read the whole thread ? I did except posts #540-~600 which i skipped due to the wall of texts while i am being sleeping / work - didnt thought this is going 2 be discussing any further - did i missed sthm? No idea. It's a super weird attitude to skip posts. Any reads ? Who is town and who is scum in your mind ? Why is it a weird attitude? I skipped most of the shitfest between koshi/marv. So not the first thing I wanted to read in the morning. 'cause reading words is how you find scum.
Especially if you are a newbie town I think you are in general very eager to read the whole thread. As mafia though you are not as invested and are likely to skip. But maybe that's just my idea.
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On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv.
Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town?
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On March 02 2016 03:09 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 03:08 Spikasaur wrote:On March 02 2016 02:41 Koshi wrote:On March 02 2016 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 02:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:29 marvellosity wrote:sentinel really making me want to tunnel him to oblivion Go ahead, it'll make your filter look nicer. so in your (apparently townie) world, it looks better if i tunnel a townie rather than look at both sides to discern your alignment? are you for real? You are the one who gets your junior online to call me a cunt, pussy and trash my mafia play while this guy has yet to make his first decent post. While I was actually pretty decent towards him and tried to converse with him and asked him a couple decent questions. Which he ofc ignored. Because why play the game? But sure. Take the high road on this one. I had a long post a while ago quoting you. Also referring to somewhen you asking questions? I wrote something like 'I must have missed that', you had your chance to just respond then. Now it's just more time and effort to find and answer. So until then, don't complain I'm ignoring you? Ball was in your court. Also apologies for the foul language. That one was on marv.
Dude, you should just go back and look at his question. It was quite clear. The ball was not in his court. It was in yours and it still is. Refusing to participate is a mafia-aligned.
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On March 02 2016 04:05 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 19:41 Koshi wrote: I really want you to explain why: 1) I am mafia. 2) You are sure that the 3 teams presented by Kush are all town. 3) Why Kush is not mafia for pushing 3 teams that are town in your mind. Oh is this what you're referring to? I had already replied to this. When I called you wally (which you shouldn't have taken offence to, btw, it's friendly banter where I'm from), I had before written I was saying of the three teams, the top one (my team) was town. Not taking his readings. Just a fun way to say 'we're town'. Much like you with you pro tip -- Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:54 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 05:47 TheCow wrote: Rels is almost definitely town. Pro tip: Team Koshi is town. I think this is a pretty good tip. 1) was already covered and backtracked. However I'll admit I didn't respond to the third, though don't see its importance now.
The major difference is that you say you are town too (that means, you are town in addition to the two other teams). Koshi just says HE is town. Do you have any reason YOURSELF to think the two other teams on the list are town?
Also, the third question is the most important one so you should elaborate on it.
Finally, that Wally post did NOT answer the above three questions so don't try to give the impression that you were working along with Koshi, because you weren't.
On March 01 2016 20:11 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:10 marvellosity wrote: I told Spikasaur to ignore Koshi but he ignore me too :p Always.
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On March 02 2016 04:06 Race Bannon wrote: I am torn. Upon going through his and his mate's filter I have a gut scumread but he's too enjoyable to lynch and continue without. Ah what the hell, it's kush//shape
Also I'm not positive and wouldn't mind staying in the back seat and let Rels handle our end of responsibility, with the amount of meta arguments and all it seems prudent to trust his judgement.
Can you explain your gut read? Which posts give you scummy feelings inside?
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On March 02 2016 04:16 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:14 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 04:06 Race Bannon wrote: I am torn. Upon going through his and his mate's filter I have a gut scumread but he's too enjoyable to lynch and continue without. Ah what the hell, it's kush//shape
Also I'm not positive and wouldn't mind staying in the back seat and let Rels handle our end of responsibility, with the amount of meta arguments and all it seems prudent to trust his judgement.
Can you explain your gut read? Which posts give you scummy feelings inside? I always feel jolly and townie.
But you think Kush/Shape is scum. Why?
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On March 02 2016 05:19 qob wrote: ##Vote: Team Anal prolapse (Do i have to double-post in the vote thread too?)
Yes
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FYI, I won't be available at deadline and I assume Koshi won't be either. Our vote will probably be locked on FF/Sent. Sentinel's latest posts haven't swayed me to think he is town. FF is still absent.
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On March 02 2016 06:03 sandroba wrote: Felkyr I feel better about cownado's lynch. If you don't hate that lynch I ask if you would be so kind to leave your vote there.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum. Slowly, I am new and don't see it right now.
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On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Still waiting on explanation of this
[quote] lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good. Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all.
So Sentinel, did you look into Spikey? What do you think?
I just want to point out that I reread Sentinel's filter and despite his recent activity there are still absolutely no reads. He is 'looking into people' but he hasn't come out with any real attempt to solve the game. He just voted the other wagon for no good reason (isn't that convenient). Despite the pressure he isn't trying. His responses to Kush's questions were also bad. Most of what he is saying is 'I would bus but I don't know who mafia is right now so I don't know who I would bus'.
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On March 02 2016 05:09 sandroba wrote: Why are some of you saying Damdred is town? I understand saying he is not auto scum, but I don't see a single thing that jumps out townie to me. I also don't understand why someone wouldn't think thecow is the absolute best vote for today by far. Some of the things being said here about other teams are fair, but none of it is as strong as the evidence against cow. All your hunches can wait, let's lynch the mafia first.
I also think the evidence against FF is stronger than that against TheCow. Isn't FF supposed to be the Veteran? I agree he could be town and just be gone, but same can be said of TheCow. TheCow looks better because he is newbie. I'd give him a pass (for now).
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Damdred what do you think of Sentinel's response to my remarks?
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On March 02 2016 06:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 06:15 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote: [quote] why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good. Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all. So Sentinel, did you look into Spikey? What do you think? I just want to point out that I reread Sentinel's filter and despite his recent activity there are still absolutely no reads. He is 'looking into people' but he hasn't come out with any real attempt to solve the game. He just voted the other wagon for no good reason (isn't that convenient). Despite the pressure he isn't trying. His responses to Kush's questions were also bad. Most of what he is saying is 'I would bus but I don't know who mafia is right now so I don't know who I would bus'. Regarding Spike, he's been doing better these last 24 hours than before, but still can't conclude much.
What makes you say that? What posts of his did you like?
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Despite all the drama I don't know what hedging means...
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On March 02 2016 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I liked him going after Koshi. Also liked the fact that he actually had posts for once.
He never really went after Koshi?
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On March 02 2016 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I liked him going after Koshi. Also liked the fact that he actually had posts for once.
Also, him having posts does NOT make him more townie, it all depends on the quality of the posts. If they are good, he gets town cred, if they are bad, he gets scum read. You should know this. What posts of his were actually good? Please quote them.
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Oh, is that going after Koshi? I assumed that 'going after' means he thinks Koshi is scum and is pushing him. There is no pushing at all in these posts. Just some aggressive defending. I don't like these posts at all.
In any case, Sandroba you should let Sentinel speak for himself.
The reason I am interested in this is because:
On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Still waiting on explanation of this
[quote] lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good.Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all.
So he obviously has a scum read on Marv. But that scum read just disappeared now and there is absolutely no mention of it in his previous posts. Why? Can't be just because of Spikasaur. I don't like this at all...
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On March 02 2016 06:51 Felkyr wrote:Oh, is that going after Koshi? I assumed that 'going after' means he thinks Koshi is scum and is pushing him. There is no pushing at all in these posts. Just some aggressive defending. I don't like these posts at all. In any case, Sandroba you should let Sentinel speak for himself. The reason I am interested in this is because: Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote: [quote] lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good.Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all. So he obviously has a scum read on Marv. But that scum read just disappeared now and there is absolutely no mention of it in his previous posts. Why? Can't be just because of Spikasaur. I don't like this at all...
Disregard the Sandroba comment in my previous post, I thought he posted that wall of comments and not Sentinel.
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On March 02 2016 06:51 Felkyr wrote:Oh, is that going after Koshi? I assumed that 'going after' means he thinks Koshi is scum and is pushing him. There is no pushing at all in these posts. Just some aggressive defending. I don't like these posts at all. In any case, Sandroba you should let Sentinel speak for himself. The reason I am interested in this is because: Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote: [quote] lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good.Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all. So he obviously has a scum read on Marv. But that scum read just disappeared now and there is absolutely no mention of it in his previous posts. Why? Can't be just because of Spikasaur. I don't like this at all...
So Sentinel, what happened to your Marv read? And Spike does not 'go after' Koshi in these posts... You just linked random posts between Koshi and Spike (in which Koshi is mostly going after Spike).
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On March 02 2016 06:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 06:15 Felkyr wrote: So Sentinel, did you look into Spikey? What do you think?
I just want to point out that I reread Sentinel's filter and despite his recent activity there are still absolutely no reads. He is 'looking into people' but he hasn't come out with any real attempt to solve the game. He just voted the other wagon for no good reason (isn't that convenient). Despite the pressure he isn't trying. His responses to Kush's questions were also bad. Most of what he is saying is 'I would bus but I don't know who mafia is right now so I don't know who I would bus'.
Regarding Spike, he's been doing better these last 24 hours than before, but still can't conclude much. I'm not going to promise anything I can't deliver. What I can say is that kush's team is in the green, which as you can see is a judgment I promised to make (regarding kush, not his towniness). Still wondering about you but qob seems green to me as well. My responses were bad because the questions were bad. "If you were mafia who'd you shoot. No, who'd you shoot right now? No forget their alignment, who'd you shoot?" If I could vote for myself this game I would, just for that. kush is still town tho, just not the best at asking questions. Now, regarding my vote. You're absolutely right. The thing is, I've looked at this game and can't find any conclusive scums at the moment. If I had to say my two reddest reads right now, it would be cow/damdy (mostly due to cow, partially due to inactivity), and Rels/Race which is kind of a stretch because I kinda like the former but not the latter. I'll have to look at Rels at some point. Or maybe I won't if you people kill me. Then I'll fuck off and hope the next game turns out better than this one for me. Now one of those happens to have a wagon on it. More importantly, its main competition which is currently winning is the team that includes me. Since I obviously can't scumhunt when I'm dead, the next best option is to not be dead. So I'm voting for my tenuous scumread because it's better than no scumread at all.
Where is Marv?
On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote: Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good. Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all.
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On March 02 2016 06:37 sandroba wrote: I went to the trouble to read sentinel's filter again and honestly there is nothing there that makes me think he is mafia and a few things that make me think he is town. Damdy's FF theory is all fine and dandy, but honestly it is just a theory that COULD explain FF's inactivity, not a reason to vote someone Sent's vote on him wasn't oportunistic at all, he was simply aplying the metrics damdy himself told us he used to find mafia. The few posts FF does have do not look like a mafia saving face.
Cow in the other hand the few posts he does have DO look like he is trying to save face. And damdy's posts do not convince me in the slightest he is town, on the contrary, it looks to me he is trying to say the things we want to hear (his thoughts on his reads are very superfical and his reasoning is very shallow) and go for the easy target FF.
I really think we are making a mistake if we let this one slide, I don't think we can expect day 1 to get better than this.
Can you tell me what is town about Sentinel's post?
I am NOT against a TheCow lynch, but at the moment I still believe a Sentinel lynch is better. FF being here might change that.
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On March 02 2016 07:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 06:51 Felkyr wrote:Oh, is that going after Koshi? I assumed that 'going after' means he thinks Koshi is scum and is pushing him. There is no pushing at all in these posts. Just some aggressive defending. I don't like these posts at all. In any case, Sandroba you should let Sentinel speak for himself. The reason I am interested in this is because: On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote: [quote] why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good.Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all. So he obviously has a scum read on Marv. But that scum read just disappeared now and there is absolutely no mention of it in his previous posts. Why? Can't be just because of Spikasaur. I don't like this at all... Ha d. Couldn't find any further evidence aside from his leanings on me and that one Koshi post. I made mention here: Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 04:02 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 02:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:29 marvellosity wrote:sentinel really making me want to tunnel him to oblivion Go ahead, it'll make your filter look nicer. so in your (apparently townie) world, it looks better if i tunnel a townie rather than look at both sides to discern your alignment? are you for real? By all means, go ahead. It would be way more productive than doing this silly noncommittal bullshit on me. Of course the best option would be actually formulating a strong opinion instead of letting others do it for you. I don't understand your reason for scumreading marv. He has strong opinions; in your case he's more nuanced but it's not a global remark. Someone being not sure about someone else is not scum indicative. After looking through his filter, this is actually true. Really the only points I could make to support my claim outside of anything marv's said about me is that post that Koshi got him for.
Okay, I missed that.
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On March 02 2016 07:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 07:14 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 06:37 sandroba wrote: I went to the trouble to read sentinel's filter again and honestly there is nothing there that makes me think he is mafia and a few things that make me think he is town. Damdy's FF theory is all fine and dandy, but honestly it is just a theory that COULD explain FF's inactivity, not a reason to vote someone Sent's vote on him wasn't oportunistic at all, he was simply aplying the metrics damdy himself told us he used to find mafia. The few posts FF does have do not look like a mafia saving face.
Cow in the other hand the few posts he does have DO look like he is trying to save face. And damdy's posts do not convince me in the slightest he is town, on the contrary, it looks to me he is trying to say the things we want to hear (his thoughts on his reads are very superfical and his reasoning is very shallow) and go for the easy target FF.
I really think we are making a mistake if we let this one slide, I don't think we can expect day 1 to get better than this. Can you tell me what is town about Sentinel's post? I am NOT against a TheCow lynch, but at the moment I still believe a Sentinel lynch is better. FF being here might change that. The fact that you are basing this vote so heavily on my activity is scummy to me. Lurker lynches are heardly ever mafia lynches unless there's very strong meta to support it (marv, vivax, old kush, etc)
I don't know about that. In any case, I am mainly comsidering lynching you because of Sentinel. The reason I might change is not because you are actually here, but because of the things you say while being here.
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On March 02 2016 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: The main reason I think it's damdred/thecow is that damdred's reasons for scumming me are speculative and based on a meta that doesn't exist. Thecow has been ripped apart by everyone else so I won't go into detail but if the only things damdred has against me are: 1)Never answered question about qob's alignment
2) used words that imply a conclusion about someone's alignment
3) Inactive day 1
Then he's scum or playing very poorly
Can you tell me what your stance is on the other teams? Who is mafia if not Damdred/TheCow? Who are your town-leans?
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I'm just going to sheep some town reads. I'd like to have Koshi's input but fine. I am not sure about Sentinal anymore and TheCow is still the same.
##Unvote ##Vote Team Cownadow
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Okay this is the last post I can make before deadline. Sigh. I'll just sheep the claimed blue.
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I have a feeling that VE and Sent can't be on the same mafia team.
The following has been pointed out before but I feel it is not emphasized enough. VE only voted for Rels for about 3 mins, after which he voted for FF/Sent for like 2h before changing his vote back to Rels towards the EOD when there was a wagon by both Damdred and myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2016 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Jolly & Awesome Townies 3 mins later: On March 02 2016 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Anal Prolapse 2 h later: On March 02 2016 09:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Jolly & Awesome Townies
So this is not really correct (or at least doesn't capture the full situation):
On March 03 2016 04:50 sandroba wrote: I think the mafia is probably Anal and OMGUS. TT looks a lot townier than both. There is no comment whatsoever (or any analysis of team anal on VE's part) on the possibility of ever voting team ANAL. He simply goes directly to team cow -> considers voting TT for a split second -> vote Rels for no apparent reason.
I know this is a bit of an associative read but I'm finding it hard to see a world where team ANAL is not mafia.
VE, why did you so quickly change your vote from Rels to FF/Sent without ANY mention in the thread?
Note that his vote on Rels kinda fits his story and perspective from these points (he was doing a read through of TT his filter because he thought he was scum, see previous conversation between Marv and VE):
On March 02 2016 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay I'm mostly caught up.
Ticktock, you should talk to me about Rels. I understand that you think I'm mafia, but at least you should understand where my initial suspicious comes from, as you should know your meta better than most and should know that I wasn't far off in thinking something was amiss. I'm taking the time to respond to you specifically because in spite of how it pains me, I think you're town. And I'm town.
So talk to me about Rels. He's going a long way to white-knight you here and frankly it looks horrible to me. He claims I haven't done anything but push you, but he hasn't done anything but push me right? He claims my reads don't evolve with the thread, and his read on me has been adamant in spite of my multiple attempts to explain my (perfectly sound and logical TOWN) reasoning.
Tell me: why do you think I'm suspicious but not Rels? Is it REALLY only because I voted for you an hour into D1?
On March 02 2016 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It occurred to me that perhaps Rels was just mafia fanning what he thought could be a Town on Town shitfest, and then pieces just started falling into place. Like, I don't know what you want me to tell you marv, I don't know how many different ways I can say "I changed my mind in that time"
So VE did vote Sent/FF for a long time (even when he could still vote Damdred because he hadn't claimed yet). Why did he do that if they are both mafia? Also, this interaction does not look like scum-scum to me:
On March 02 2016 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 09:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 02 2016 08:49 sandroba wrote: Nevermind TT, I just reread his filter and I'm back to being unsure on him. His cow comments can be interpreted as him being on the fence, but having a town lean on damdy, so it could make sense.
Please explain to me the case on Rels. Basically it's OMGUS from me, he's accusing me of everything he's doing, only he's maliciously misrepresenting my actions in this game which is worse. He doesn't care about the lynch, he spent the entirety of today trying to get a lynch on me. I mean, obviously you don't know I'm town but I do. That he's wrong doesn't make him mafia. That he doesn't care if he's wrong or right is what I'm seeing, he's just pushing me to push me, and it doesn't matter what I say or do. But maybe it always feels that way to the guy getting pushed. Wait so you say that On March 02 2016 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Can we get some votes on drunk ass Rels now? And this But your vote is still on FF and me? I just haven't changed it bby calm down. A second ago there was ZERO chance of lynching Rels. There probably still isn't without Sand or marv.
At this point I'm not sure who is town and who is scum, but can they both be scum? I feel like no. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Actually, I would still pick Sent/FF as scum over VE at the moment, so I suppose I agree with Kush's lynch order for now.
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On March 03 2016 22:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 07:55 Felkyr wrote: I'm just going to sheep some town reads. I'd like to have Koshi's input but fine. I am not sure about Sentinal anymore and TheCow is still the same.
##Unvote ##Vote Team Cownadow Felkr, can you explain a little bit what caused this change of heart?
With both Sent and especially FF coming into thread I got unsure about my scumread on them. I also had a scumread on TheCow. I didn't feel comfortable reading Damdred but I relied on Marv and Sandroba's vote/read, which we both had as town at that moment. I thought it would be the better lynch.
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I agree with Shape that it seems unlikely that FF/Sent are mafia with Dam/TheCow. Possible, but unlikely.
I haven't really dived through other filters yet but VE/Tumble is the most obvious choice for mafia here. VE said in thread he would vote Dam/TheCow after his TT tunneling but instead voted on Rels (weird). True, he quickly changed to FF/Sent but that can easily be explained by him realizing Dam/TheCow were getting lynched and that he had to push the other wagon. Once claimed blue, Dam/TheCow started pushing Rels (convenient).
Let's talk about Tumble. Some people said he looks town but look at what he has done so far: he has allegedly gone through everyone's filter and done a lot of work. But he basically concludes everyone is town. Very easy for mafia to find the good posts to call people town. Should he not be reading through these posts to find scum? He should be looking for the scummy posts, not the townie posts. He quickly filled up his filter, trying to look engaged, but hasn't said anything of value so far.
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It's night, we are sleeping. Mafia is killing us in our bed. And we are killing ourselves.
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On March 04 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote: TT. Do you have real reasons for VE to be town?
I want to know this too.
VE you are going to be lynched so if you're town please tell me why and who is scum.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 15:28 Tictock wrote:So I'm not feeling like I have any solid townreads this game. I'm leaning town on Damdred, Kush, Koshi and Rels... mostly kus I feel like they are doing things with purpose and reason, that purpose being to move the game forward. a little less on Marv, but I can take the wait and see approach with him for now I'd like to see a little more from the "newbies" not only for the purposes of reading but also because you guys will get more out of playing actually doing stuff yourself then hiding behind your "vet" player. This includes my own partner ^.^ Having said that, I'm reading Team Innocent as scum with Team OMGUS as the most likely 2nd scum. Team Innocent:Careful, these spoilers are WoT status. Sandroba:This guy's open felt off to me right from the start. I mostly ignored it at the time kus i wanted to see what he would do given some time. + Show Spoiler +Pinged my interest right off with this: On February 29 2016 10:14 sandroba wrote: yo damdred. How do you think we should deal with people that claim blue right before they get lynched? This is such an odd question right off the bat. It looks like sand saw Damdred post, decided to ask him a question, and then thought up a good question to ask. I see no reason for a towny to be worried about how a blue should claim in the first 5 min of the game. The followups from this suggest no actual opinions or thoughts about the game from sand. It's pretty telling that Sand wanted to ask about blues claiming (something mafia cares about more than town should) with Damdred, but had no thoughts on how best to approach reading pairs of people (something town SHOULD care about a lot) On February 29 2016 10:30 sandroba wrote: Had not put much thought into that, but I believe it's optimal to lynch the person we believe the most is mafia should be lynched regarless of how the teamate is behaving. This is also a pretty scummy answer imo, and it's exactly what his partner had been doing, focusing one person. I think we have to consider each team as a slot, and town needs to win by lynching the 2 scum slots. There is no reason to discount half of the info we have on on a slot because one person seems like an easier read than the other. This post is an example of something I tried to call Kita out for in the PyP game, I'm gunna call it "The Red Perspective" or thinking with a mafia mindset. This was in response to Kush asking "why not consider both players" On February 29 2016 11:02 sandroba wrote: Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline. Ofc, both alignments know that Scum want to look like town, but look at the bold. This is not a town mindset at all, this is sand just reversing his scum mindset, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Why? Kus mafia want to look like town, but town want to Solve the Game! So this reasoning is not only flawed but it's flawed because Sand is not looking at the game from a townmindset. This also stuck out as odd to me. On March 01 2016 05:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote: And at this point, I don't care! Someone present a better alternative or shut the fuck up! I'll be back later on to see what's happening. BYE!!! Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:24 TheCow wrote: I do not understand the point of the philosophy being posted in this thread. It seems like filler discussion to me.
Sential is sticking out to me. I am reading the slot as scum at this point.
The current meta-ing occurring looks like a dead-end and I do not understand why it is still being pursued.
How many games has Viscera played? Ask and you shall recieve. Cow just made it to my number one suspect based on this post alone. On March 01 2016 05:39 sandroba wrote: His post sounds fake as shit. Says he can't understand the "philosophy" of the thread (w/e that means) and it's mostly filler discussion right when the game is starting to pick up, and his post itselft is filler with no reasoning for anything or any new ideas. The comentary on the meta ignores the fact we are questioning the player who made said meta and dismisses it for no reason. Pretty much as generic filler fake post as you can get. Doesn't sound like a townie interested in people's alignments at all. This completly ignores that Cow is pretty clearly a newbie player and personally I find this explanation pumped up unneccesarily. Was Cow's post filled with tons of reads and great reasoning? No, but it was commenting on the important stuff going on with his opinion and thoughts. I find the bolded line especially forced here, this doesn't look like a read to me at all. It looks like a hastily made and forced read. Sand isn't trying to think about Cow being scum or Town here, he's jumping at something going "look at this scummy thing! lets kill it!" On March 01 2016 06:13 sandroba wrote: Quite an arduous job to read without the filter function, but from the town game I read from him his tone is more inquisitive / tentative / hedging his bets as opposed to more assertive in his mafia game. I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. Lol points for the big word to make us feel the pain of reading a game without a filter. Also what is this trying to use meta based on 1 post? This was after discussing how VE's use of meta was questionable... He also "gathers" that his partner has played with Cow before, but hasn't spoken to him about their reads? Didn't qod suggest there was nothing scummy about cow based on his own esperience? I just find this whole read really weird. On March 01 2016 11:43 sandroba wrote: Damdy all your post did nothing at all to the game, just took up space =/. And your partner is scummy as shit. Can you provide some amazing insight? On March 01 2016 11:54 sandroba wrote: Damdy, I might be biased here, but the qob town read I believe is pretty obvious. Not saying FF is town, but is that your best hint at a mafia this game? Idk this feels weird to me, like he's accusing Damdred of being scummy kus he thinks Cow is scummy. Worst of all he ignored my question to him. On March 01 2016 08:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 06:13 sandroba wrote: Quite an arduous job to read without the filter function, but from the town game I read from him his tone is more inquisitive / tentative / hedging his bets as opposed to more assertive in his mafia game. I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. Since you seem fairly convinced Cow is scum. What do you think of Damdred's posting? What did you get from your questions to him at the start of the game? qod:This guy is like a little firecracker. I would kinda like him but I think he's going about stuff in a really scummy way. + Show Spoiler +On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. Funny that he missed FF and UN being partners... idk about this read either I also legit have no idea what he could possibly mean by the bolded line here. UN has literally no mention of qod until he responds to THIS post... also prior to this qod had literally only posted "hello" On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. If this is true, then why didn't you mention that until here? This looks like qob is just confused as to who he is talking about... On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:please read this Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Is is Shape or Sentinal you are reading dude? On March 01 2016 01:47 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:36 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: Which advice did you think was scummy? please read this On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Qob, how would you compare Sentinel's entry posts to your own teammate, Sandroba, his entry posts? Did you realize FF is Sentinel's partner? Sandroba's entry post? Like, for the thread or the game? No im focusing on Sentinel rn, not this FF person. But... you just... And you were even responding to shape before telling him you didn't like sentinal's post? I'm really confused here now. But here he knows he's talking to two differen't people. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. On March 01 2016 05:35 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:42 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 04:39 Queenfestor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 04:34 Rels wrote:On February 29 2016 23:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 22:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Glancing at Ticktock's last few towngames, his tone is starkly different this game. However in his most recent scumgame he looks more like he's trying to emulate his townplay rather than just not give a fuck.
Ehhhhh. Ima leave it for now. See what they say. Why aren't you distinguishing between joke phase and normal game? TT making those posts 24 hours into day 1 is different from him making them at the start of the game. My thoughts when I read these VE posts. He's reading stuff where there is nothing. Seems like an easy way to appear to do stuff "hey guys I read some games!" that have 0 consequence. well i would go one step further and claim hes behaving obvious since we just said scums are lurking but hell in the end its my team being analysed here How so. Especially when Team Koshi Openly admitted to intentional lurking? They were serious? Many times yes, i know my way around things do not worry. On March 01 2016 05:36 qob wrote: Unlike my partner Team Anal Prolapse is still my main suspect. Unfunny team name might i add.
Like if this was all of qod's filter I'd ask if he's sure he isn't mixing up players here, but given his fighting and pushing with Sentinel later on I can only conclude that he's sure about Sentinel. Yet his whole read on sentinal makes no sense, I can only conclude this is a fake read and the hyper focus on one person is just a tactic to appear engaged and that you believe your read. The problem is, I can't believe Qob's read when I look at it so I find his over-aggression very misplaced and likely fabricated. Team OMGUS:Ok I actually spent a fair bit of time on the last team read I did, so skimping on this one a bit. VE:Jumped all over my obvious trolling at the start of the game by trying to pull out meta on me being scum. Gut read is that he is scum glad to have something easy to push right off the bat. Actually my read on VE is a lot of what I'm talking about in this post #405. Which he didn't really respond to and instead posted this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: So my thought process is this, just to clear up any confusion.
In my recent memory, I don't recall Ticktock to have ever played the relaxed jokey beginning. I just recalled him to have very serious posts right from the outset, that's been MY experience with him. So I mentioned being suspicious of him. To check my memory, I went back and checked the games on the TL Mafia Database, because unlike some people in this very game, I can't recall every game every person has been in on command. So I checked the most recent games in his history on the DB. Maybe they're old, and maybe the meta is outdated. Could be, as it's been a while since I've played with Ticktock. All I know is that the database corroborated my memory of Ticktock's towngame. It also a recent mafia game, which admittedly doesn't look much like this game. Others have come to bat saying that his mafia game looks different than this. This is all well and good. But I left my vote because I wanted to hear Ticktock say something more so I could decide if I ultimately DID think he was mafia, as I had originally suspected.
I think it's pretty hilarious that Rels is going off so hard about this. I can see Ticktock being suspicious if he's town, but Rels is just going off, and I think my suspicions have been reasonable. Which basically is him defending his meta, and then admitting it might be wrong, and then refusing to come to any conclusions but lightly hinting at Rels possibly being scum. So basically VE had made a ton of adue about nothing. bumatlargeI realize bum was playing his heart out (I mean I'd assume so I'm not really following it) in the other game trying to not get lynches as scum so him being mostly inactive is pretty NAI. I do however find his attitude somewhat scummy: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 11:29 bumatlarge wrote: I have to read all of this? This is daunting... you people post too much, it's the first day. But this one VE guy looks pretty townie. Yep, he's 100% town. I just need to work on the rest of you. There is just a theme of excuses and not wanting to be here in bum's filter. I get being distracted, but this feels much more like burnt out scum to me, making excuses to not do anything. It's pretty much exactly how I'd be trying to play if I'd rolled scum this game after having just been lynched as scum the other day. On March 01 2016 16:51 sandroba wrote: This whole thing is total twisted garbage. I'm going to adress it either way because I'm actually disturbed by how bad this actually is: 1) I asked setup related stuff to damdred: Very start of the game, nothing else to talk about, let's try to interact with someone while having nothing relevant to talk about besides setup. With Open setups dealing with claims and ccs is very relevant to any decent town player. 2) I admit that at the very start of the game I had not thought about something, then provide pretty good and unique perspective on the matter in my opinion. The conclusions he draws from this are very much distorted from what I actually said. 3) "Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline." This is factual, and the reason I believe that if we think one of the players in a team are very likely scum we lynch the team no matter how well his partner is playing. Trying to distort this into fitting a scum mindset mold is disingenous. Again the conclusions you draw from this have absolutely nothing to do with what was said. 4) TheCow mini analysis posted by me: If you simply read any of thecow's post you would conclude (based on lingo and assertiveness) that he has some forum mafia experience under his belt and isn't a clearly newbie player. I do use meta quite often, yes, and it has nothing to do with VE bad usage of meta that I dig up myself which you forgot to mention in your analysis. I guess the stuff you were not able to twist is not worth talking about, right? 5) Me trying to get a read off Damdred, who is partner with someone I'm suspicious of, is supposed to make me scum too huh? And regarding your question I did ignore it becuase I thought it was stupid, since obviously I got no read off damdred on the very begining and was only trying to get the game started.
And about qob he is like the shinning beacon of towniness giving no shits about anything and saying what he pleases.
Now regarding you I need to chill for a bit and decide what I think about this. I'm finding it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying.
On March 01 2016 17:24 Koshi wrote: Ticktock is a bit craycray. But on the other hand he was right somewhere D7 in a game once so his craycrayness leads somewhere.
This game he is full craycray. But very likely town.
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Sandroba who would you vote right now?
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Sandroba can you tell me who you would lynch right now?
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Koshi is town.
If anything, he is more town than you because Qob has been useless and I haven't been (allegedly). You should tell Qob to be more active.
Koshi has coached me very well which is why he hasn't been in thread as much.
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Sandroba's reaction to all pushes this game has been extremely bad. Like, he is saying he is trying to solve the game but refused to accept anyone else is? Such childish behavior. He actually got someone modules with his pushing, lol. But then when somebody pushes him town can lose? Doesn't sound like town to me.
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Also, you really have to make a case against VE or FF right now. There is no alternative. You can make a case against us but then make a case, don't just call us mafia.
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You don't have to keep arguing. You can just continue finding mafia.
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Sandroba, at the beginning of night two you were convinced FF was mafia. Now you think it is VE. Nothing had changed in that time; they haven't been here. Why has your read changed? If you would explain these kind of points so that the newbies here can understand it, we would be happy.
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If you care about the game you can put in some more effort. Make a case against all the remaining teams. Or the one you think is scum.
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Again, then tell us who we should vote instead.
Also, FYI we've always had a scum lean on Dam/TheCow. You have quoted several of my posts in your cases against them. My vote on Dam is probably what made him fakeclaim. And I am rereading the game continuously, so please be not as obnoxious. You're not as town to us as you think. Deal with it.
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Based on the fact that we can still suspect Sandroba despite effort in the game AND busing Dam/TheCow, I realized that it is totally not correct to give FF and Sent a free pass. Although they had some interactions with Dam/TheCow that would be pretty hard busing if they're both scum, besides that they have done basically nothing this game. Their filter definitely looks worse. The reasons why they are scum from D1 are still all valid, and after EOD day one, they have both gone back to doing nothing. I feel like they are riding out the ML and using other people's defense (like Shape) to quietly avoid coming into the spotlights again.
As pointed out by TT:
On March 03 2016 13:36 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 13:26 sandroba wrote: Yes, sent and FF are the last mafia. I'm sure of it. You could be right actually, UN is just sitting on the sidelines. Clearly reading the game yet not really doing anything. On the other hand he just pointed me in the direction of an amazing song list. It's anyone's guess.
This is important. Sent is very well aware of everything that is happening, but is currently not contributing at all. Contrariwise, both Qob and Tumble have made dumb-tells regarding the Damdred/TT claiming situation (which I agree could be fake):
+ Show Spoiler +On March 04 2016 12:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 13:09 Tumblewood wrote:On March 03 2016 13:08 sandroba wrote:On March 03 2016 13:05 Tumblewood wrote:On March 03 2016 13:03 sandroba wrote:On March 03 2016 13:00 Tumblewood wrote: Unless you guys have an explanation that I missed really yo, don't waste your time reading team blahvacado. K nvm ignore everything I said because clearly there's no hope of identifying their alignment that's not it dude. they are the jail keeper that just cc'ed a dead mafia. oh now I feel bad for being so snarky What about this dumbtell? On March 03 2016 23:13 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 23:10 Shapelog wrote:On March 03 2016 23:05 qob wrote: okay so these are my personal reads Most town to least town.
Team Innocent - Town Team Koshi™ - Town Tean xXxShapemasta420xxX - town Team official mafia gaunlet for underachieveing scum - idk Team Blahvacado - can be switched with ^ Team Anal Prolapse - remove. So the team with a JK who CCed to kill mafia is less town than Innocent, Koshi, Me, and OMGUS? Okekkkkkkkkk...... i dont know what JK means, nor do i know what okekkkkkkkk means.
Point being, Sent is here but hasn't done anything, like most of the game. Interestingly, he didn't believe TT's claim at first, and tried to propose that Damdred was a green who fakeclaimed:
On March 03 2016 10:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 10:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Worst case scenario: 5-2 now lynch incorrect jk claim 4-2 nk 3-2 lynch mafia fakeclaim 3-1 nk 2-1
IDK why mafia would cc now just to maybe achieve a final 3 situation down the line... If TT is right then the fakeclaim is a green.
On March 03 2016 11:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 11:06 sandroba wrote: @sentinel who do you think is mafia with team cownadow? Still have no idea if it's TT or Damdy tbh.
His second to last post is from more than 24h ago:
On March 03 2016 13:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Until then, gonna read some filters and go find a scum.
His last post:
On March 03 2016 13:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I agree with the paranoia. I don't think it's scum play. It actually reminds me a lot of yamato's town play.
So Sent doesn't think Sandroba is scum. Sent, who do you think is scum?
FF, on the other hand, also while doing not much, has very opportunistically jumped on the Sandroba wagon. His reason? Qob's filter is toxic. While I have typed the same thing in Koshi and my QT, I think this was a bit too easy.
On March 04 2016 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote: So why doesn't everyone put which team they think is the most likely to be mafia in the thread?
Team Innocent - qob is acting like a standoffish prick this game, has been 'tunneled' if you can call it a tunnel on my team for bad reasons. He was called out for scumreading a joke post and vehemently denied that he had done such a thing rather than admit that he misunderstood the post, or simply hadn't read the list of teams. I think qob has shown that his main focus is not to find scum but to cause a disturbance in thread whenever he can.
Wow, qob, if your tactic was to make people irritated just by reading your filter it worked on me
My point: if we can suspect Sandroba despite his Dam/TheCow pushing, then we can definitely suspect FF/Sent. And they don't look good.
##unvote ##vote Team Anal Prolapse
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Nice summary/rephrasing of my post. =D
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Gg
Sorry for being afk today, had some unexpected issues coming up... Sad we've lost.
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On March 06 2016 10:45 Koshi wrote: Felkyr totally my bro :D
Like, literally?
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On March 06 2016 11:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 11:31 Felkyr wrote:On March 06 2016 10:45 Koshi wrote: Felkyr totally my bro :D Like, literally? :D Was already surprised when you knew I died way back in the aperture game.
Yeah, I thought then too that you knew. I didn't plan this though, did you?
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I didn't even know you had signed up when I /ined
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