EPTLynching me today will be pretty easy, last 24 hours or so I'm probably going to be rather busy and will be totally missing deadline thanks to work.
So you have that on your side today scum.
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Lynching me today will be pretty easy, last 24 hours or so I'm probably going to be rather busy and will be totally missing deadline thanks to work. So you have that on your side today scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Sorry I guess that means this is a useless post+ Show Spoiler + Can I cave it?+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Nope... | ||
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On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote: lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler + if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? Oh, you said something about my Tarot too, I missed this. This feels like a towny reaction to me. Mostly due to the fact that she is looking at scum!modivation behind it (trolling) and town!modivation (pushing scumreads) and since she can't see what I might be doing with it for town writes it off (and prob scumreads me more, though she doesn't say it) | ||
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On February 25 2016 19:47 nooniansoong wrote: Tt I didn't vote shape for a joke. I votted him for voting someone for a joke. Get it? And what is scummy about pushing him to claim when he's going to get lynched? Its better to have an outted blue than a lynched blue. So you think only scum can mistake a joke and take it seriously? You didn't even give him a chance to answer your question, you piled onto the wagon and your vote made Shape the leading wagon. It wasn't like Shape was a for sure lynch, and several of the votes on him (*cough*Yours*cough*) weren't really backed by anything. If he is blue it should be his choice to claim or to do what Shape was doing and try to step up a little and push his reads, etc. Telling him he nees to claim, pushing him to do it when he seems like he doesn't want to, and pushing him to claim his specific role. All of that is definitely in line with scum motives more than town motives. So yea, it's scummy that I see you add pressure to his wagon with a silly vote then pressure a claim out of him. I don't see why town would do that. | ||
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On February 25 2016 21:22 rsoultin wrote: and what sort of reaction were you actually looking for with that post, TT? @.@ also, if you don't actually townread tumble, what is your real read on noon? like, i know that townies can get tunneled on a read, but you've been pushing tumble for several day phases now with no success or even much interest from the rest of us...i fail to understand why you're not trying harder to convince us or looking for the third scum if you don't think you can get tumble lynched -_- Well it was more of a general how would people react, than one specific thing. Kinda disappointing Bre hasn't posted, I prefer to see everyone's reactions... + Show Spoiler [ Truth Behind Truths] + Actually thats not 100% true, I actually do put some value in the tarot cards themselves... but I can't expect anyone else to buy that. It's kinda like a meta read to me, it gives me something interesting to look at, that can often be misinterpreted, but that might hold a fair bit of truth. I have only used tarot once before in mafia and the results were mixed, yet still valuable to me. Using them here was something I decided to do kinda for fun and kus I got interesting reactions the last time I put tarot cards in a mafia game. To be fair the Readings are hard to decipher. For example, I said Kush's card means he's the god father kus that's kinda the surface read of that card. However it also suggests deep understanding, a push to learn the truth, unwavering resolve, etc. So by no means does the card have to mean "Godfather" but I thought that was the relevant piece and it aligned with my read on him. Also it made my post look more trolly to go "Man of god... Clearly the Godfather!" ^.^ I was hinting at one thing though I think the proper play today is pretty clear... No-Lynch is clearly the best play today. I'm actually really surprised nobody but Kush has talked about it like a serious option. I felt like both you and Trfel brushed it off too easily. It's not a huge jump in odds for us, but I'd take it. 1/3 chance of getting mafia today -> 2/5 tomorrow. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:01 nooniansoong wrote: TT, can you hint at your most recent reason to townrread breshke that you didn't want to talk about? I really shouldn't. In an ongoing effort to be fair and partial though I intend to look at Bre's filter today. Also Rsouls's. Like I'm actually rethinking my read on you Kush based on your approach today, you are going about MyLo in a rather towny way. Trfel is also putting in work to try and figure out alignments. Tumble looks like obv scum the way he is doing today (but I'm still the only one who thinks so apparnetly). So I'm left wondering if my read on Rsoul was bad or if my read on Bre was off. Right now though I would say Tumble is my top lynch, after no-lynching. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote: I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." Lol... Expect I don't give a shit that everyone town reads you, everyone could be wrong. Do you have strong evidence that Bre is scum? It would be better if you can tell me why you scumread him, not accuse my townread of being bad. You haven't backed-up all your townreads with meticulous detail have you? Why should I? | ||
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I have a hard time finding stuff in your filter. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote: tt talk to me if you're here. how do you feel about this? Here but not quite caught up, assuming you mean who do I think could be scum... Tumble - Most likely scum, weak accusation against me for doing tarot, not doing anything to figuer out alignments Rsoul - Seems to be looking at the game fairly, kinda tagging along with townleaders though. D1 vote suggests she can only be scum with Tumble. Bre - Feels town, but hasn't done anything yet today. I know he is playing in another game but I'd expect him to put more focus on this game since we are in MyLo. Kush - Probably town since he is trying to solve the game today, still a bit uneasy kus of some of the stuff I was seeing Trfel - Has been trying to solve the game, questioning a lot and doing rereading, also feels natural and isn't pushing out cases to get his lynch. Easily town. I think that's pretty much where I am at. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:32 nooniansoong wrote: I looked at an old scumgame of yours and you had no problem having fluid reads it seems like. Your stubborness is actually pretty townie. Fuck no I don't have strong evidence that Bre is scum. All I have is a lack of evidence that he is town. The point against shape he made in the beginning of the game that you liked--I did not really like it. So about breshke, I dunno. He is AFK in other places as well. ahem... Really, I dunno. That's fair, were you talking about this? On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote: ehh I have a problem with these two posts. the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape I thought it was a decent point about Shape agreeing that millers should claim (knows they are aware) and then suddenly makes a tinfoil about them not being aware. I thought his(Shape's) tinfoil there was pretty weak since he could have easily checked the OP and seen Millers are aware. Looks legit to me still. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:46 Trfel wrote: I'd really prefer to lynch today if possible. Reason being that in less than 24 hours I will be leaving, and I'll probably barely be present after that. I'm worried that if we no-lynch, I might get modkilled, and that would be a really stupid way to end the game. Yes, I screwed up. Yes, it was really stupid. Yes, I'm sorry. But I'd still prefer to cut my losses. If you're fine with no-lynching, thus going into LYLO with me barely being present, then I guess that works, but I don't think it's smart, especially since rsoultin's schedule also works better with no-lynching. Ok, well assuming we HAVE to lynch today then. If I were suddenly mod-killed or whatever, who would you be voting for? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:34 Breshke wrote: Hi shape It is actually hard because yes i still don't see how you could make both of those posts but I don't see why you do it as mafia. Dumbtell obviously but that is jsut a MEH reason. I also get the same kinda vibe rsoul said she got where you seem like "fake happy" but that might just be you and im far too lazy to look at your other games to see if that's true. Some people want to lynch shining. What is your opinion on that shape? This looks like town!Bre interacting with his scumread (this is right after that post I just quoted). Explains his position and what he meant, but asks Shape about an unrelated matter to remove potential bias and further the read. He votes Shape after this, which as I discussed way back in my tinfoil post looks pretty legit. On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote: last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? I like these reactions from Bre, re Shape claiming blue. On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote: no, its my opinon that you don't claim what blue you are On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote: Shape post your read post More interested in Shapes reads/Role, pretty likely this comes from town. Kush had already opened the door to pushing shape to claim, it would be easy for scum to jump on the chance and push the blame onto Kush. Humm this post is the opposite of that though... On February 18 2016 05:05 Breshke wrote: SL confirm this was a blueclaim. There is no point not talking about it Also iirc Bre was one of the few people who seemed to legitimately think SL was blue, and mafia did kill SL almost for sure because they thought he was blue... then right back to this: On February 18 2016 05:06 Breshke wrote: No stop. Why does everyone want him to claim his role? How is that the good play GB unless you are very sure he is mafia. SHape said he was working on a reads list. If you think he is fake claiming it is also very likely he has no such reads list. Shouldn't this be a higher priority for him to reply to. Eh I'm tempted to say that's a disconnect between how he was treating Shape and SL but maybe it's just kus SL was softing blue and Bre picked up on it whereas Shape outright claimed. I could also see town!Bre just being caught up in all the blue talk at this point. Actually this leads me think Bre couldn't have been scum who killed SL. On February 18 2016 05:16 Breshke wrote: Like I don't hate that reads list from shape, not to say i agree with it and think a lot of it is weak reasoning but it is enough for me to show that as scum he wasnt just relying on his fake claim to get through the lynch and makes me sure that he doesn't claim here. I have problems with SL but it is better I talk about it D2 I have no idea who we lynch but im fairly sure it will be one of the less active players. Bre hinted multiple times that he was holding back a read on SL and then said D2 he was planning to push him hard for taking back the blue claim N1. If scum did kill SL N1 kus they thought he was blue then why would Bre be holding back his SL read like that? Gunna stop this kus I don't want to make a giant WoT (and this was all only one page on Bre's filter >.<). I'm seeing a lot of stuff to support Bre being town though... even just reading one page of his filter here. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:59 nooniansoong wrote: @TT why did you want to lynch me over tumble today? doesn't mesh with how hard you've been pushign tumble all game long and been on the fence about me. @trfel looking at bresh should be your top priority imo. Are you referring to my Tarot post? Actually even if you weren't I thought It would be more interesting to try and push you more directly today, though at this point I'm thinking you are town. You didn't even OMGUS me for the fake vote on you, so it seems like you are actually invested in determining people's alignments tday. You were a pretty strong scumread coming into today though... and the cards suggested you might be GF. | ||
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I don't think scum ever makes a read like this, and he pushes it like he believes it too. On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote: I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me On February 18 2016 05:57 Breshke wrote: Rsoul swap to scott. Seriously look at the resons for lynching scott and the reasons for lynching palmar. They are both weak as shit but noone is interested in the scott wagon but me and trefel who if i remember right are your two biggest townreads On February 18 2016 05:58 Breshke wrote: oh you did it already oops SOMEONE ELSE SWAP TO SCOTT Would scum!Bre say this if he knows GB is wanting to fakeclaim? Humm, prob not. If GB's claim to be vig was something they planned then GB prob would have stuck with the claim to maybe get the mislynch out of it. Seem more likely GB saw this post and realized he could fakeclaim on a whim. His reactions though when GB does claim don't look very good. Votes Shining right off, asks about what people think GB's alignment is based off the claim (without coming to a conclusion himself), and then realizes Eden was the Vig shot? Idk that line of thinking doesn't track. After that I kinda get a sense of Bre dropping off a little, this also looks a little odd: On February 22 2016 12:17 Breshke wrote: Tumbles filter really confuses me. Top post was pre D1 lynch second post was post lynch. First of all im fairly sure the lynches were never at 2 votes each especially not when tumble ended up voting for palmar and also in the first post he calls people good lynches and in the second he says the same people were bad wagons. I know there was a lynch inbetween so we got more information but i don't really see him using any of that information to make this change of reads. Ive pointed out other disconnects in his posts before and im not sure if it is just because he is a new player or not but he also doesn't feel very involved in the thread and when he is around i feel like he just takes pot shots at people. Still want to lynch scott first because cant risk bringing him to mylo Seems to have a scumread on Tumble, but wants to lynch Scott becasue "we can't bring him to mylo" which seems like a really weak reason to vote Scott over Tumble to me. I'm about out of time (have to get ready for work) but Bre's reactions around the fakeclaim were a little off and he seemed to drop off his posting a fair bit after that point. His reasoning for voting scott was also kinda weak, especially since he was one of the people who agreed N1 that the VCA suggested it was TvT. Maybe my read on Bre was influenced too strongly by his play D1, his reactions to the fakeclaim and drop off in play after that could suggest that he is scum and was worried about associations so started posting less. I'd still lynch Tumble first, and need to check Rsoul better but Bre could be scum here (even if my gut still says town). | ||
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I would lynch Tumble, but nobody agrees with me. Rsoul could be mafia, but made the best post of the day. On February 26 2016 15:11 rsoultin wrote: yeah that didn't make much sense :/ what i'm trying to say is i'd rather focus on why players did what they did rather than would they or wouldn't they as scum, because not only do we not have the whole picture, but both alignments are usually capable of anything in a vacuum Kush & Trfel pretty town. I'm going to sleep. | ||
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Apparently my townreads as scum are lethal... Kush played really well this game his scumreads were spot on for most of the game. Only mistake made was townreading Rsoul for the GB lynch. Also btw, my tarot was 100% legit... expect I pulled cards for everyone D1. I was originally going to share them with the whole game but I decided not too as the cards I drew for Rsoul and GB linked really well with their roles and I didn't want to throw that much spin on the interpretation. I even drew Death for Breshke... which hopefully doesn't indicate anything in regards to his RL situation. I'd be willing to share the cards I drew for people and their supposed meaning as well as my interpretation if people would like. I know it's a weird thing to do for Mafia but I've toyed around with Tarot for years and it's always interesting for me to use it for stuff like this. | ||
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On March 01 2016 08:16 ritoky wrote: you should have been lynched day 1 imo. i mean no offense to you because the rest of your game was solid and you used everything at your disposal including fake kindness and puppydog eyes to deter lynches from yourself which is a ruthless trait that most players don't have as mafia. i thought you were really good post-day 1. on day 1 though you did absolutely nothing to advance town in any legitimate way. you were just friendly and non-committal and overall just uninterested in learning about people's alignments in a meaningful way. as an observer i would have immediately assumed you were blue or red because of your lack of push for information which is so different than your town play early. as a co-host i knew you were just red  tbh though i kinda felt like all 3 of you took a nap through day 1.....that and if breshke claims immediately post RB-flip, you might drop into the PoE list and fall into the "why are you not dead" questioning which makes the game harder. long posts so hard at work. Yea, I honestly was not modivated at all to play scum again so soon after my last game >.< I was hoping for another fun game to sovle like PyP! But alas! I phoned in a lot of my effort and tried to sit back from the game as much as I felt comfortable. Prob why Kush and eventually Trfel sniffed me out without much doubt in their minds. Also the stuff with GB d2 was fairly bad imo. Though I actually think GB should have stuck with the claim, there was a real chance that Shining got lynched and given us one extra day with an RB. After he had reacted to Shining's CC with a vote there was no going back. I'll make a post with everyone's cards in a little bit. | ||
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