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Pushing off doing things till tomorrow! I might still read if I don't pass out in the next 5 min | ||
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On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote: Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people. This is pretty scummy tbh. Kush, can you explain your other reads? | ||
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On February 18 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote: One Sentence Reads Tictock is town because overall, his play seems involved and has a definite direction, despite a weaker End of Day. Tumblewood is town because his posting style is much more carefree and conversational than his mafia game, and because he's putting in a lot of effort, as shown by his written notes. Breshke is town because he didn't kill Palmar, despite Palmar having a strong suspicion of him, and he's been sharing sensible thoughts. Nooniansoong is maybe mafia because of his lack of caring about the lynch (being willing to lynch Palmar while townreading him), and his GlowingBear read doesn't feel genuine. The Shining is maybe mafia because he can't possibly think that Tumblewood is mafia after those pictures that Tumblewood posted. Eden1892 is town because he got angry early on in a really towny way. Rsoultin is town because she didn't lynch Palmar, despite having plenty of justification to do so, and for a relatively large post count, despite saying she'd be lazy. Any comments are more than welcome. I'm fairly confident in the town reads, not so confident on the scum reads, largely no opinion on people not on the list. Setting Aside that I love this idea. Also GB's light-saber pic is making me giggle. I don't use that term lightly... | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:17 Shapelog wrote: Also for TT, Here are his (tumble) 1st few posts: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Tumblewood - his, 2 page filter 1st few posts, On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote: I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote: I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post. First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread. PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that. Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped) The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me. Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense. Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read. MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then. And everyone else I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending. JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours. Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two. Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of. TL;DR I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players. Very different approach then from here. Ok wow that is a big difference... actually huge. But...If Tumble was scum in both games, do you think he would play the same way? Given how EoD went, the notes, etc... what is your current read on Tumble? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote: I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today Eeew, I hate this. SL you need to actually contribute if you are town, this is a pile of garage. I guess you did come back for EoD but you'd do that as either alignment. | ||
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On February 18 2016 00:49 rsoultin wrote: ticktock, i find your read on me very confusing in your world being pretty open and sharing thoughts is null? and why are you using so many of my points/reads/thoughts to clarify your read on sl if you think i'm null? -_- Uhh if I remember this right I said I find you very hard to read and so don't have a real opinion. Your activity is nice, but it's not really indicative imo. I guess I actually agreed with SL, I just didn't understand the way he phrased it. You could be either town or mafia, but you'll at least give us plenty to read you on. I'm not sure what points of yours I was using... if I stole them you can have them back... | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia  He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever I think I pointed this post out earlier when I was skimming, but this is really wierd. Trfel can you explain to me what you were thinking behind this vote on Shape? | ||
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On February 18 2016 06:23 Breshke wrote: do you think scott is scum then? Cos if scott is town then wouldnt mafia not care who they voted and just vote wherever Town v Town is the most likely explanation for a chaotic EoD like that. Mafia prob doesn't care and is all over the place. Off wagon votes are more likely to be mafia, but there is almost always 1 on the main wagons. There is of course room for... + Show Spoiler [TINFOIL!] + Caution: Tinfoil Alert! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CMgPRC4.jpg) If Scott was AFK mafia, who replaced into a slot that had done nothing already, would his team maybe try to buss him for some easy cred? I'd need to read all the pages I skipped over earlier but the way EoD went from the vote counts was a wagon was building up on Shape, he claims blue, the wagon fractures off into Palmar v Scott and a little bit all over tbh. If Shape is town (and actually even if he is mafia fake claiming to get votes off him) then mafia were probably scrambling to push a solid mislynch after that wagon broke down. Ok yea I can't actually do more till I read how things went down... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r3POkwV.jpg) So here is how the Shape wagon piled up. On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall Tonal read Rsoul has been pushing most of the game, seems legit. - On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever Trfel also later added this: Second, his Tumblewood is one of the reasons that he is mafia. I feel that the correct read on Tumblewood is clearly town because of post length. You look at his mafia game, and he provided fairly long posts. This game, his posts are short and conversational, more directly involved. This is a very distinct playstyle change, and gives a near 100% townread. I'm extremely confident in it. Shapelog said this, but wasn't very confident in it, and then switched this to a scum lean / could lynch because he completely misinterpreted Tumblewood's post, while sharing exactly the same problem (a bit lost with regards to reads) as Tumblewood did, that he was picking on in the first place. In addition, rsoultin feels that Shapelog's happiness is faked. And Shapelog is defending himself differently at different times. He went from "I can't be lynched Day 1, I have a streak of endgames going and I don't want to be mislynched on Day 1" to "if I get mislynched today, it's all my fault". This is still off to me, even with the backup explanation. This strong of a TR on Tumble based off meta Shape provided is really weird. If shape is mafia trying to setup a ML on Tumble, why would he bring up the discrepancy in Tumbles posting between the two games? - On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote: um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##Unvote ##vote shapelog So you vote Shape for a joke? This is a hop on vote if I've ever seen one. A Convenient Vote Count Appears! Shapelog (3): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, GlowingBear(1): Palmar (1): scott31337 (1): The Shining (1): Eden1892, Breshke(1): Palmar Trfel (1): Shapelog Eden1892 (0): Not Voting (3): Tumblewood, Breshke, The Shining Kush's vote put Shape in the lead, but this vote is still anyone's guess. Look at all those solo voters! Given the state of the game here I also find Shapes defeated attitude odd, and Shining made a good point about this quote being really off. On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote: *Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/ Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town. I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. Bonus Ironic post from SL: On February 18 2016 03:57 sicklucker wrote: anyway im in my favorite spot in mafia. where i know mafias pushing me and i just have to weed them out of the lolz towns. too bad i havent slept in 20 hours 2 People voting him, he has to "weed out" the mafia >.< Bre's vote on Shape looks pretty good to me. On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote: last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? Shape's posts over the few pages he is talking about definitely warrants a read like this. I suppose this could come from Scum as well, but I think it's pretty likely town!Bre picking up on the same stuff Shining pointed out and I'm seeing as well. - This vote feels a little delayed... prob not a great way of putting it On February 18 2016 04:21 Tumblewood wrote: ##Vote: Shapelog On February 18 2016 03:19 Tumblewood wrote: I am seeing a lot of NSM XIX in Shape: lots of spam without lots of scumhunting, and lots of acting trolly. Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. - After this is when Shape claims blue. It seems like a legit claim to me, his reluctance to claim and the way he kinda doubts it being good afterword make me think it's good. It kinda reminds me of how I felt claiming GS in outlaw. I like Bre's reactions to the claim, he seems to be taking the new info in stride and doesn't jump onto something new right away. On February 18 2016 04:59 Breshke wrote: also he literally just said he didnt want to work out shape because he was an enigma, shape then claims blue and now he says he will risk it. Sl did claim blue also though - Ok I'm both getting tired and this turned into half me tinfoiling and half me catching up with stuff I didn't read or skimmed earlier. Kush was really quick to jump from Shape onto GB, most other people just unvoted. This is also a pretty weak fallback On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game. Maybe just lynch him? But this is even more interesting. On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Tumble had made this post earlier: On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote: No one's acting definitively scummy, so I'm going to POE this vote. The 'Do Not Lynch' List Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively. Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game. Tictock, for making clear and useful points. The 'Bad Lynch' List Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner. Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart. Kush, but I don't know why. Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse. The 'Wait And See' List GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late. That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread." Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. His main scumread is no longer a valid lynch, and now he's questioning his TR on Trfel for wanting to lynch someone he has no read on? Then Tumble ends up lynching Palmar, a "Bad Lynch" over Scott. On the one hand I agree that Palmar was the better lynch between the two, I checked both their filters before I voted Palmar and scott was easily the better looking filter. On the other that doesn't line up with the reads Tumble was putting out before EoD. In fact I'm kinda thinking the reads post I quoted above was mostly to justify the vote on Shape. Which was the read he put the most effort into explaining, yet it's also based on the same meta based reasoning he admonished Shape for using on him. When the Shape wagon fell apart Tumble didn't push his other scum read SL but instead held back expands his lynch options On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. and ends up voting in a way that could very well be trying to protect scott. Conclusions: Breshke is town, idk what Palmar was on about. Tumble is probably mafia, read progressions suggest an agenda because his main reads/poe list went out the window when his preferred lynch claimed blue. If Tumble flips red it's much more likely that scott is mafia, but not necessarily true. Trfel's strong TR on Tumble seems off to me, and it's also possible him being so sure Palmar was town was TMI like palmar suggested. Overall I'm still thinking Trfel is town because he seems to genuinely want to solve the game, but a lot of his reads just don't make sense to me. Kush is probably also Scum. Team of Tumble/Scott/Kush actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking Tumble is who we start with. Caution: This is a hidden WoT. What started as a tinfoil theory merged with my catching up with the pages I missed before EoD. This also took a lot out of me, may not do much more till next phase and see where we are at then. | ||
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Spent 2 hours of my afternoon with my shoulder out and basically totally unable to move my right arm. I've had this issue before but normal it's taken like half an hour for me to work it back into place, this was an intense to 2 hours. Still re-cooperating and trying to catchup, but looks like we have a vig who shot SL? | ||
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On February 19 2016 01:06 nooniansoong wrote: I had the ever slightest townlean for a bad reason which I am embarassed to share. If I was in the thread before EoD, I would have voted scott to save Palmar I think. At the time I left the thread to go do work, it wasn't a clear scott vs palmar decision. On February 19 2016 01:11 nooniansoong wrote: @shape, that list was formed by looking at the player list and eliminating people who I remember thinking were town. So I can't really give you reasons. It's a really terrible list that you can be sure will be revised and annotated at lunch probably. @trfel lol maybe that's why you should explain your townreads unless the person is up for lynch. This is a really bad trend in Kush's posts. It makes me think he has no real reads with these deflections, and then saying that his reads are bad is like he's denying any accountability for them. So it's like "here's my list, but it's prob bad so just ignore me!" Kush if you don't start giving us your thinking there is no chance I can believe you have real reads this game. | ||
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On February 19 2016 01:16 Shapelog wrote: Actually I might be Vig, And I might be shooting GB. + Show Spoiler + Or maybe i am just a vet+ Show Spoiler + or a cop+ Show Spoiler + or doc+ Show Spoiler + Nah I am just a miller...+ Show Spoiler + On February 17 2016 01:01 Shapelog wrote: Oh Millers are Aware, and says so on the OP.........I am a Idiot. Let me read my Role PM actually XD. On February 17 2016 01:16 Shapelog wrote: ...XD + Show Spoiler + OR is that a Lie?+ Show Spoiler + What if i am VT+ Show Spoiler + Or Scum?+ Show Spoiler + No too sad to be scum+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Are you still reading?+ Show Spoiler + Want to play a game?+ Show Spoiler + It called...+ Show Spoiler + SPAMMMMMM+ Show Spoiler + Sadly I did not buy enough Spam to share so fuck off+ Show Spoiler + I am warning you....+ Show Spoiler + I+ Show Spoiler + Am+ Show Spoiler + A + Show Spoiler + Evil+ Show Spoiler + Bear+ Show Spoiler + Who+ Show Spoiler + Will + Show Spoiler + Maw+ Show Spoiler + Off+ Show Spoiler + Your+ Show Spoiler + FACE!!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + Actually I am a reversed Log/Geomantry joke+ Show Spoiler + Oh well+ Show Spoiler + Lol you should quote this, Be a nightmare+ Show Spoiler + Go AWAYYYYY+ Show Spoiler + I do not care that I am Blue and I am about to be NKed+ Show Spoiler + That is a lie, but You need to DIE+ Show Spoiler + PEW PEW+ Show Spoiler + Holy shit I have like 70 Spoiler tages right now...+ Show Spoiler + LEAVE ME ALONE!!+ Show Spoiler + @Kush, Explain to me why I should help you too+ Show Spoiler + Only a townie would read this far+ Show Spoiler + You should like totally if you are scum, try to get cred for reading this+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Are you gone yet?+ Show Spoiler + My hands hurt+ Show Spoiler + Want to play a DnD game and spam the thread+ Show Spoiler + SCUM, That is what you are if you said yes+ Show Spoiler + Or a Nerd, Pick your poison+ Show Spoiler + Did you hear that Donald Trump Bought Jeb Bush's Website, Whats up with that?+ Show Spoiler + Being a asshole+ Show Spoiler + Which is what you are!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + Gotcha Ya, With theses Nuts+ Show Spoiler + Well Done, you deserve a Town Medal  Shape, as a friend. You need help. + Show Spoiler + What was Jeb's website called? | ||
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On February 19 2016 03:41 Shapelog wrote: Like it was focused a bit too much on tumble? B/c that was the feeling i got from it. You guys just don't understand how I post sometime  I even put a warning on the thing | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:37 nooniansoong wrote: So apparently ticktock is leaning town on GB for inactivity. And later TT wants to possibly plynch GB for lack of activity . So TT, help me understand what is happening here. Essentially you want to lynch GB for exactly what makes you townlean him. I thought about it more, and a few people (Bre was one) pointed out that my townlean on him was for a fairly bad reason. I think at this point he had only drunk posted and then said he had a hangover, would read in a sec, and was gone for 6 hours... Felt like a fine Plynch. | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:56 Trfel wrote: I really don't know why people are scumreading Tumblewood so much. Is it for not doing anything? Or for voting Palmar? Aside from the vote on Palmar, Tumblewood play is a textbook case of new town imo. Very genuine and ot seems like he is really thinking about the game, plus a large amount of effort. The icing on the cake is that his play is so different from last game. What am I missing? The Cake is a Lie. | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote: I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play. I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole. You pointed out yourself that scum would have preferred to lynch town!Palmar over town!Scott. Also I think the dynamics of the D1 lynch are wildly different if Scott is in fact not town. Most of my current read on Tumble is in that weird Tinfoil post I did earlier, since you asked about people who were scum reading him. I should probably make a cleaned up version of that since it was one of my train of thought posts. I'm also of the opinion that the notes tumble took pics of is actually the same sorta effort Shape was showing he made in his last scum game. It looks a lot different but it's basically a couple of mega posts with reads that look good. It's less impressive when you notice that he doesn't come to many conclusions and then his EoD voting suggested that he wasn't terribly concerned with his earlier PoE and reads. | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm the vigi and I shot SL Can you tell me why in one sentance? | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:16 The Shining wrote: ##Vote: Glowingbear Uhh is this a CC? | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:35 The Shining wrote: I am Heat aka the vig. Breadcrumbs: Really surprised I lived through the night, I thought I was obvious. I shot Eden for big plays because I felt like he came off of me too easily and I was feeling cowboyish. It was a horrible shot in hindsight but he didn't seem connected or interested on anything besides me until the very last few posts, and I didn't want to second guess myself. This is also why I was hammering Shape saying he got no result. His result should've been me. The only way he gets no result is being roleblocked and there was so much talk of SL being blue that I figured that is why scum shot SL. Thing is, why would they risk shooting a possible blue in Vet SL while rbing Shape instead? That is a terrible reason for a terrible shot >.< This smells a little like TMI to me, Shape doesn't seem to think he was roleblocked so why do you? Idk breadcrumbs can be done by scum too, I just have a real hard time believing a Vig would shoot Eden of all people. | ||
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Immediately after this, The Shining votes for Tumblewood, and sicklucker switches to Tumblewood as well, but then switches back to Palmar. Tictock switches his vote to Palmar, which seems suspect. Then GlowingBear votes for nooniansoong. @Trfel why does my vote seem suspect? | ||
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On February 19 2016 10:56 nooniansoong wrote: TT, I'm just worried you did some dumb tinfoil because people think tinfoil is townie. I did say that shit discounting my reads but then I gave more solid reads. Why are you ignoring those? I guess I passed right over them... | ||
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