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On February 24 2016 12:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
bueno, i'm here lol >< but just starting to look through things so bear with me
hey truffle what are you doing in those spoilers? cause you're coming to town conclusions but those points seem to be your issues with both filters? I provided the majority of my comments, regardless of conclusion. Anything I felt was relevant.
nh :/ oooookay. so i guess you don't generally find positive things relevant? lol >< nvm it's not that important, i just find it odd to read so much text about x is weird, y is weird, this could maybe be town, weird, weird, weird, conclusion: town
mathematically your post is pretty skewed lol
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GB read progressions (no particular order):
Tictock:
GB town for meta (inactive vs. more active scum game) + Show Spoiler +kinda awful way to meta considering GB had a pre-game excuse for low activity that would not have been effected by alignment, and one scum game is hardly enough to call it "meta", but awful doesn't necessarily equal mafia.
GB plynch for being inactive + Show Spoiler +stating the obvious, but maybe early enough to be relevant?
GB starting shennanies more likely town cause scum should want to mislynch palmar + Show Spoiler +
WTFs at GB's play + Show Spoiler +
Long nullish post read on GB leading to vote + Show Spoiler +on closer inspection it does seem like there were more reasons in favor of GB being scum, even if they were only small reasons...feels genuine, especially since scum lining up for the buss would probably go out of their way to be more definitive about it. prob too late in the phase to be angling to slide off the wagon
Tumble:
GB on wait and see list for not posting + Show Spoiler +
Makes reasonable lynch list + Show Spoiler +
Scumreading GB for townread on shape, but scum can be correct for shitty reasons + Show Spoiler +closing the door on a flipped read came early with the scott and GB wagons tied up...town points
Breshke
Criticizes TT's townread on GB based on bad meta + Show Spoiler +
GB in scumlist with 3 townies (palmar, scott, shining) all of them low activity + Show Spoiler +
Vig prob is GB + Show Spoiler +power of suggestion or prior knowledge? that's awfully coincidental lol ><
No real stance on GB, just talks about claim and asks others about claim + Show Spoiler +i can understand the confusion on the claim, but the lack of a stance still gives me pause in that if this was a play to get townread (and it seems like there can't be many other possible reasons for it) the wait and see approach is in line with scum motivation
Noon
Criticizes TT's townread on GB + Show Spoiler +less town points cause no reason, but still some town points
GB plynch from available town plynches (scott, shining, etc.) + Show Spoiler +ballsy for scum, though of course he's not locked in
Says whatever even though he townreads palmar, however he does keep pushing the GB lynch throughout that time + Show Spoiler +
Directing shot (or check) onto GB + Show Spoiler +ballsy for scum to do with a scum RB
GB scum cause paint drawings and no reads + Show Spoiler +
Reaction to fake-claim: hard scumread + Show Spoiler +lol at this point i'm thinking of not even continuing this. if noon is ever scum with gb in this game he's hard-bussing the shit out of him for no reason all game
Trfel
no mention of GB until shape's claim, possible plynch with noon?? + Show Spoiler +
defaults to GB then slides over to scott when scott is mentioned + Show Spoiler +
after lynch is "fine" with GB being mafia + Show Spoiler +
very wishy-washy on GB read but still votes early on it when scott is still viable + Show Spoiler +you were beginning to make me uber paranoid there truffle wuffle >>
meta reason for poss town gb but continues voting him + Show Spoiler +problem here is the second post comes about 10-15 mins later after no real response to his meta reason @.@ truuuuuffle
lol ><
okay, so basically i think noon isn't worth looking into until we have a second scum flip, if then. he was riding GB's ass so hard that if he was scum with him they literally had to decide to buss one another from the get-go...which is something that GB has done with a scum buddy (Damdred) in the past, but I feel like he was more over-zealous about it then (caveat: hard double-buss is possible given GB's limited time, just don't really think so)
after that tumble and ticktock's pushes on GB both actually feel okayish, although of the two i like tumble's better just because it's more consistent without weird hiccups in the middle
bresh actually looks pretty bad from this angle -_- and truffle doesn't look much better. i'd almost swear up and down that truffle is town this game though so i'm beginning to wonder how valuable this approach even was lol ><
TLDR:
noon prob town unless hard double-buss is the play...not worth looking at w/ 2 scum left
need to look at bresh closer to make sure my townread wasn't premature @.@ the way he treated GB could easily come from scum
ye i'll take a different approach to this later, since it wasn't as valuable as i thought it would be...hopefully before EoN
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hey breeeessshhh
d1, did you have any scumreads other than sl who i'm missing?
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On February 25 2016 05:16 Trfel wrote:
Hey rsoultin, who is mafia?
lol >< fuck if i know
i'm pretty confident you and noon are town (barring some paranoia on the part of noon that is probably just silly)
i actually think tt/bresh
kinda have a hard time seeing either of them with tumble lol >< and tumble's fliter is really pretty direct
like...it's kinda awful cause it's PoE, but honestly i went through breshke's filter again and the reasons i townread him (namely seeing a lot of the same things in things like shape's posts and sl's diary entries) are still there, but i'm not sure if i should have given them the weight i did. disregarding that, he's been extremely peripheral all game :/
as for tt, it's just a lot of swinginess that i can't really follow well and probably a bit of my natural inclination to really distrust anyone i have to ping half-a-dozen times to get an answer out of @.@
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On February 25 2016 05:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 05:24 rsoultin wrote:On February 25 2016 05:16 Trfel wrote:
Hey rsoultin, who is mafia? lol >< fuck if i know i'm pretty confident you and noon are town (barring some paranoia on the part of noon that is probably just silly) i actually think tt/bresh kinda have a hard time seeing either of them with tumble lol >< and tumble's fliter is really pretty direct like...it's kinda awful cause it's PoE, but honestly i went through breshke's filter again and the reasons i townread him (namely seeing a lot of the same things in things like shape's posts and sl's diary entries) are still there, but i'm not sure if i should have given them the weight i did. disregarding that, he's been extremely peripheral all game :/ as for tt, it's just a lot of swinginess that i can't really follow well and probably a bit of my natural inclination to really distrust anyone i have to ping half-a-dozen times to get an answer out of @.@ I wonder if the fact that we agree means that we're right or that we're wrong? Or if it means that you're mafia and I'm stupid >< (though the two aren't mutually exclusive) I still feel like Tictock has been a reactive player and he hasn't been involved. I mean, I feel like he's been interactive but not involved, if that makes sense? And I don't like that at all. It's not related to his cases, but rather I don't feel like he's been pushing things... But the mafia!Breshke wouldn't save town!Palmar thing makes a lot of sense, though, right? Did Breskhe commit to it before it looked like scott vs Palmar?
ummmm breshke committed to it when
Palmar was at 3
GB was at 2
and...shining? i think was at 2?
he went to scott with you then lol >< bringing a third wagon to 2
+ Show Spoiler +and yes, it probably means it's noon and tumble >> lol you know how great our track record is when we agree \o/
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On February 25 2016 05:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 05:26 Breshke wrote:On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.
Maybe just lynch him? This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out. So, giving Breshke too many townpoints for this isn't really good. If he's mafia, he left himself open to most any lynch. If the scott wagon didn't work out, he could have switched his vote to most anywhere.
ye that's why i was asking who he was scumreading other than sl, cause i didn't see anyone else...just oh sl looks like he may be blue okay let's list all these guys instead
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On February 25 2016 05:38 Trfel wrote:
And yeah, to be honest I stand by my earlier comment of Breshke not having as insightful comments or following them up as well as I might have expected.
Breshke definitely hasn't been bad, he's been good, just not up to his best level as town. Of course this doesn't make him mafia, but I don't feel it's a good reason to townread him for this alone.
I do feel that nooniansoong's scumread on GlowingBear is strongly town indicative, but not 100%. There are a few tonal things that make me think he is town, off the top of my head one of them is when he was hoping that scott31337 and GlowingBear aren't mafia together (so that the game wouldn't be too easy), but nowhere near as many as I remembered last game. Maybe he could be mafia here, even if it's unlikely, I'll take a look later (especially with a no-lynch to get extra time).
For what it's worth, I think rsoultin is town? But the worth of this read is zero, so yeah. Saving for last.
rofl >< if noon is scum here i've fallen for gb's gambit twice. which is probably why it bugs me, cause i know gb has done the hard double-buss thing before
nh...i dunnae if i'm in favor of a no-lynch tbh, but that's just for personal, once the school week starts up i'm not gonna have any time again, reasons...lol, well, that and all it takes is one wrong townie in a pool already pretty uncertain with 5 players...at least with 6 the town still has the voting advantage
alternatively, it could mean i get nk'd before i have to make a fool of myself trying to lynch the "least townie" scum lol >< so i don't really have a strong opinion on it ^^
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On February 25 2016 05:45 Trfel wrote:
Haha, TL Mafia basically never uses three blue setups. The latest one I remember was masons + 1-shot cop. Aka, three really weak blues. And since it's no-lynch allowed, not no-shoot, it's almost certainly two-blue setup.
Rsoultin, weren't you scumreading nooniansoong a few days back? What happened to that? What about Tumblewood, weren't you calling my townread of Tumblewood stupid?
lol gb flipped? + Show Spoiler +it was actually how he reacted to my one post >> kinda flippant but still trying to calm me down. not sure how to explain that and it's probably just pure bias, but whatever
i still don't think that your reasons are good enough for the hard townread you've had on tumble all game, but i have to grudgingly admit you're probably right >> just given the game state
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On February 25 2016 05:42 The Shining wrote:
Town
Rso Trfel
Probably noon
Maybe Tumble
Lynch Bresh or TT.
We honestly probably have a third blue, it just makes sense. Watcher is a weak role, especially with Lucifer role and having a scum rb on top of that means there's probably a vet roaming around somewhere. You should probably claim in lylo after I die, especially if you're being lynched. If you are a vet, know that scum wont waste a shot on you and there's no rb so there's only good that can come from you claiming.
If I die GL town
>> i like that we're seeing the same game but i have to ask, shining...did you get a chance to really look at things or is this all off the cuff?
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On February 25 2016 05:56 The Shining wrote:
I've been keeping up with the entire game, I've just been slammed by work and school and not being allowed to use my phone at work anymore. Why's it matter?
cause i wanted to know how much weight to put on it, given your late game reads are usually very good lol >< thanks for indulging me
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On February 25 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On February 25 2016 05:45 Trfel wrote:
Haha, TL Mafia basically never uses three blue setups. The latest one I remember was masons + 1-shot cop. Aka, three really weak blues. And since it's no-lynch allowed, not no-shoot, it's almost certainly two-blue setup.
Rsoultin, weren't you scumreading nooniansoong a few days back? What happened to that? What about Tumblewood, weren't you calling my townread of Tumblewood stupid? lol gb flipped? + Show Spoiler +it was actually how he reacted to my one post >> kinda flippant but still trying to calm me down. not sure how to explain that and it's probably just pure bias, but whatever i still don't think that your reasons are good enough for the hard townread you've had on tumble all game, but i have to grudgingly admit you're probably right >> just given the game state The game state? What do you mean? Anyway, here's one example of the kind of thing that makes me think that Tictock is scum. Tinfoil post saying he wants to lynch Tumblewood, @4:36 EST [lots of commenting] [more commenting] [some reads but nothing pointed] Voting for who he thought was scum last night (Tumblewood), @22:02 EST So, a bit over 17 hours later, after a ton of commenting on things, he votes for the same person as he thought before, for the exact same reasons? Things to check: 1. How much did Tictock push Tumblewood relative to the wagon on GlowingBear? Did he throw out a read and not talk about it much while the GlowingBear wagon wasn't there, or was this after the GlowingBear wagon was already going? If the former, it's suspicious how his activity with regards to this push increased later. 2. Why didn't Tumblewood push any of the other lynches as much as he did the Tumblewood wagon? He seemed to be making a fuss over this, which I definitely don't remember him making Day 1 (would have thought he'd want to lynch sicklucker) or Day 3 (not lynching scott, lynching Tumble isntead). It's a bit hard for me to tell if he actually was trying to defend scott or not, but maybe comparing his push on Tumble D2 and the defense of scott D3 shows something.
nh, just that it's hard for me to see tumble with either of the other two? shitty association, i know ^^ i feel his thought process on his reads are direct and fairly clean but it's just so minimal and in some cases pretty surface level that i have a hard time understanding a strong townread on him
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o.0 are rugs particularly dead?
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well, i thought we might get an interesting flip just cause shining's been so absent, but :/
anyway, i'm gonna finish up the schoolwork i need to have done for tomorrow
today could actually be quite fun if we lynch ^^ -bounces-
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lol ><
i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case
no town points then!
+ Show Spoiler +if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0
bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion
do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon?
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and what sort of reaction were you actually looking for with that post, TT? @.@
also, if you don't actually townread tumble, what is your real read on noon? like, i know that townies can get tunneled on a read, but you've been pushing tumble for several day phases now with no success or even much interest from the rest of us...i fail to understand why you're not trying harder to convince us or looking for the third scum if you don't think you can get tumble lynched -_-
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On February 25 2016 21:18 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote:lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler +if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? I'd like to lynch bresh first I think but I don't feel really strong about it. A no lynch is theoretically a good idea but I'm with you in that i don't want to drag this out,even though doing so might be pro town,
lol >< to be fair, noon, if i didn't disappear all day on tuesdays and thursdays which could mean an absent rsoul in lylo assuming we lynch scum and i'm not nk'd, i prob would be fine with it
i'm a bit on the fence...like 100% if TT were just gonna drop that shit and move on he'd be the lynch today cause that looks a lot like scum giving up and maybe attempting a last-minute WIFOMy why would scum do something this scummy could be town! reaction from us
idk may still lynch TT, but at least he's here to poke at. where the hell is bresh in mylo? @.@ like i know he's low activity, but this is getting to be ridiculous and i have a hard time seeing a town bresh sitting around with a thumb up his ass here if he's in danger of being mislynched
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On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote:lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler +if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? nnnnnhhhhhhhehhh...You bring up a point about how it looks townie that TT is pushing me, just becaue I'm an unlikely lynch. Who else is he going to push though? The obvious answer is bresh/tumble, but he's already townread bresh and scumread me earlier, so I think to keep his reads consistent he has to push kush/tumble. I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him."
nah, i def agree his reads are super static lol >< should prob look up whether TT tends to tunnel or not just to be sure, but that's one of the biggest problems I've seen
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also psht :/ i wanted him to answer about his read on you first -beats noon with a wet noodle- now my data will be skewed! how dare you notice the same things as me and talk about them in-thread!
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On February 25 2016 23:23 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 22:29 rsoultin wrote:On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote:On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote:lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler +if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? nnnnnhhhhhhhehhh...You bring up a point about how it looks townie that TT is pushing me, just becaue I'm an unlikely lynch. Who else is he going to push though? The obvious answer is bresh/tumble, but he's already townread bresh and scumread me earlier, so I think to keep his reads consistent he has to push kush/tumble. I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." nah, i def agree his reads are super static lol >< should prob look up whether TT tends to tunnel or not just to be sure, but that's one of the biggest problems I've seen then why are you basing your sorta townread of him on it..
?? not sure where you get sorta townread from my post? translated into short it basically read:
i saw something that might make tt town
nvm disregard
-shrugs-
but maybe it'll help to explain where my head was at regardless...if tt is scum he basically has two options here...to give up or try to wriggle out of a lynch
if he gives up you can expect him to: (1) not post much, (2) buss for disassociation and/or (3) "push" a clear town to not give information
a trying tt scum would: (1) try to find a counter-lynch <- that was what i was thinking when i saw the post, and his townreading the easier of his two scumreads to lynch and then pursuing you, noon, is not a winning strat for getting someone other than himself lynched. it might get him townread, possibly, but who knows?
as i thought it through while typing, though, his lack of explanation and no follow-through as of the time i posted made me consider that it wasn't a strong town indication after all cause he could just be giving up
lol >< i don't know if that makes any sense at all? it does in my head! \o/
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On February 26 2016 04:32 Tictock wrote:
Rsoul can you tell me, in a couple of sentences why you townread Tumble?
I have a hard time finding stuff in your filter.
PoE
truffle/noon town...though i guess i can take another look at truffle even though i've never actually been fooled by him when he was scum lol >< can't hurt (re: noon i just don't care; if there's good reason to think he'd hard-buss i'll look into it after the second scum flips and probably not before cause it's tinfoily)
and just this thing where almost every time i see something i don't understand from him, either presently or in review, when i look back through his filter the thought process and logic is there and easy for me to understand :/
+ Show Spoiler +then this really bad association thing where if you or bresh were scum with tumble you've been bussing him all game 'cause why? actually, i think it's possible for bresh to be doing that just cause he's so absent i guess
@.@ i mean tbh tt i really don't even remember your points on tumble, they made so little impact
should prob go find them
also, as an aside, i'm getting twitchy about bresh :/ he was/is in two games and hasn't/hadn't posted since his last post here which makes me think something came up and his absence isn't related to his alignment at all
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