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On February 04 2016 10:22 Damdred wrote: I am not being spammy at the least and have only answered questions directed at me. Vut how am I asking others to do work for me specifically? I know I was kidding, I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively. But anyways I'm starting to spam too now. guess ill wait for stuff to happen | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote: re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing hes basing everything off of recent previous games, I dont see whats so strange about it | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote: yo.... up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash page 9/10 Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK. ritoky I'm feeling town from the way he's interrogating disformation. The Damdred/disformation interaction appears based on meta - I will defer to something else to read them (I don't like using meta I'm not sure of). Don't have good reads on either Palmar/Noon/DF pages 9/10. Koshi's behaviour through page 11 can come from either alignment. Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there. No good read on JAT either. Latter is saying he wants to hang back on day 1. Reactive games are usually a scum tell for someone I don't know that well, but he's not new either it seems. Not sure if this is his normal meta. Did you read the entire exchange or just cherry pick that? it was the least important part. For the record Damdred being super defensive and stream of conscious play = town | ||
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On February 04 2016 13:11 NocturneMage wrote: No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it). ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4OHyqN2.jpg) Please read the rules, english only no encryption | ||
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can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote: Why on earth would we let a named VT lead the day1 lynch? well it would depend on who it is but gives a confirmed town basis. What is the cons? | ||
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Too cocky/playful to be scum imo. From what I remember his scum game is kinda serious and he stresses out in the QT and shit. I don't see that strain on his posts here. Feel free to elaborate on what you think if you saw something different. | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:46 justanothertownie wrote: This is just lazy. The fact that you know someone is town does not automatically make that person sheepworthy. What is the goal of this line of thought anyways? If I could skip day 1 completely I would, I want a lazy way out of playing day 1 | ||
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I haven't decided if that has scum motivation from NM's point of view yet to skew it as such, could just be a misunderstanding. However separate from that his first post is really bad and its been overlooked. | ||
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1. find small thread sentiment on easy lynch target 2. Push inane things 3. Conclude with half hearted results to keep options open Am I wrong here? Why on earth would I take as you put it, a generally scummy trait and paint damdred in a good light as a result from your POV if im mafia? What do I gain from making a proper meta assessment on him Also Ritoky was mostly likely joking so the fact you took the bait on that is also lolz | ||
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On February 05 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote: VA too srs. Gives me the heebie jeebies I did just play back 2 back experimentals where I got killed off early in both so I've been kinda itching to play  Anyways I know we haven't played in a while so you should look at my recent games, I have attempted to improve my day 1 | ||
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and i thought i played 2 normals since I came back but I guess I only played unoriginal mafia by artanis marv. | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:15 marvellosity wrote: thanks for the game reference although your reasoning seems a little post-hoc about the named VT thingy. I had to look up what that meant, i dont know latin shit. I'm not sure if you are implying thats townie or scummy could go either way tbh. But You know I am good with roles and all that stuff, I obv read OP | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:19 marvellosity wrote: i'm saying, i'm surprised if that was your motivation that you didn't bring it up in the posts where you were originally discussing it nah my motivation was to generate discussion/see if anyone tried to paint me as scummy for it, didnt really work. Only good players on atm. But I simply had that in my mind as an afterthought/clever play | ||
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I just think he doesn't understand my playstyle if he thinks those things make me scummy. I am puzzled by the BF random rage, why not just skip those pages like I did, you dont have to read them lol | ||
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He is supposed to be my day 1 antithesis, the pinnacle of good day 1 play. where is that here | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:54 marvellosity wrote: tbh i'd say right now Zyrre has the highest probability to flip mafia. Why is that? I think you are obsessing over that 1 bad post too much like I did with NM. but if he doesn't post more, sure he is lynchable. Just gives the too easy vibe. Although I noticed a lot of people are throwing him around as a slight scumread with no real followup which is definitely mafia team related | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote: VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. You are misreading, I don't agree on the kush lynch, I agree with his moosydoosy policy haha. You are not my bestest buddy until day 2, day 1 I like to ignore you cause i will never lynch you. | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:45 disformation wrote: If you go for mass emoticon use, shouldn't you want to lynch me?  You use the real TL emoticons so didnt notice too much tbh. XDDdDDDdddD sticks out way more | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:07 marvellosity wrote: like i literally explained how i read it, didn't like it, wasn't sure, went back to read a previous game and made a comparison where the two posts are of completely different quality why are you asking me?! I missed that post clearly, I had to go back through your already 5 page filter and find it. I feel like you use a program to bolster your filter or soemthing, I dont remember you posting that much | ||
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well when I get paid to browse TL I have to do it efficiently, don't have time for nonsense. people say I have small filters but I am usually popular and the talk of the town, sorry that you don't have my flair for attention | ||
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What do you make of this random NM/VA = 1 scum thing thats developed and we have to shoot/lynch us or w/e? stupidest thing ive ever read in my life, scummy or morons? | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:21 disformation wrote: phone pstinhgs: flower. kinda dont want to lynch anyone atm. xD HTS changed the rules just for you my man, no lynch is now a viable option! | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:27 Zyrre wrote: bf even said he though noonian was the most likely mafia, and even with that he wanted to lynch and shoot. After that he hasnt said anything about anyone other than NM or VA being scum, only about which one of them we should choose. He started with saying he agreed with others logic as to why it HAD to be one of them, and when pushed in his last post he said literally only "gut". So starting to think bf looks scummy. I will warn you that BF is a trap player. I don't know what to make of him yet. On paper it makes zero sense and looks scummy but surely he would realize that right? Now when we look at the motivation for why he would want to post this, all I could think of is kush being his mafia buddy. He wants you to know that he does support the lynch of kush but thats the extent of it. so if you believe in a kush/bf team then go for it | ||
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On February 06 2016 02:59 NocturneMage wrote: EBWOP (at disformation): Read VAs filter. ZERO mention of Palmar and this timing was well after my post/others' discussion. Ask him that too. has the nocturnemage ever heard of sleep by any chance? Of course I wasn't around for 250+ posts when I'm sleeping. I really can't understand your constant antagonizing, making a case on me is fine but these constant asinine nitpicks are insane. I really don't understand. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:03 boxerfred wrote: a kush/bf team would mean that outlaw was rerolled, how likely is that? given my interaction with kush and my vote on him just now, how could I bring my scum fellow in a potential wagon situation? rofl I did explain it earlier how kush and you might be related but you're right I see how it is stupid now | ||
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On February 07 2016 06:03 disformation wrote: Might go full batshit insane tinfoil depending on the night actions TBH. Don't, I can help you figure out the night kills, that and voting is my specialty. Feel free to keep posting random troll shit you may or may not believe in to mindfuck mafia though, that's all night is good for. | ||
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On February 07 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Maybe I just shoot ritoky. did you actually do this? lol | ||
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On February 07 2016 08:21 marvellosity wrote: He's saying the argument looks too polite, it looks like at least one party is arguing because they're supposed to be arguing rather than because they believe it which is a really stupid opinion in a HTS game but I digress. I dont dare to post anything even remotely controversial. | ||
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On February 07 2016 08:30 disformation wrote: Also now I am a bit paniky. Cause the VCA clearly indicates that scum kinda shot ppl that were willing to vote palmar. but that is a huge wifom argument. no its not. its the first thing I noticed as well, but it confirms what we basically already know. palmar is 99% mafia theres nothing WIFOM about it | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote: I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play? unless you are implying marv is mafia here I don't really understand what you are getting at. Are you rambling or is there something to this | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:46 darthfoley wrote: I think it was rather clear what I'm getting at. People have said that 3 people killed made sense from mafia!Palmar pov. My point is that marv would make more sense than ritoky, for example, if those were the reasons. With 4 mafia and so much heat already on Palmar, I doubt the NKs would simply revolve around scum!Palmar targets because he's likely to get lynched D2, and the other 3 need to start preparing for post scum!Palmar/town!Palmar lynch. I think this is supported by the Hux shot I find the ritoky and damdred kills particularly odd because ritoky foreshadowed low activity (relatively ez to drive a mislynch on inactive good player) and damdred said stuff like Wouldn't mafia want to keep a guy who's townreading every in the game? Meh I think you are really just over analyzing and looking for stuff that isnt there. Ritoky and damdred are both capable players that voted Palmar, That is pretty much the only angle ive found. The most confusing kill to me is actually JAT if palmar is indeed mafia. He switched last second WITH palmar and that definitely could be construed as scummy. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:33 NocturneMage wrote: There were a few things I didn't like about VA which I discussed, and he's not done much to show he's town (the lynch Palmar thing after the day 1 lynch where he's effectively claimed scum won't say much). Additionally, if Palmar is scum, his vote on Palmar is actually bad - it screams bus city for 3 reasons. (1) it was inorganic (2) it was well after concerns about Palmar had been expressed (pokes particularly by Marv early in the game I'm sure were before this) (3) it was done at a time where he needed town cred (mafia motivation is to bus for cred), because at that time, only Damdred was townreading him, or heck it might have even been before that. ritoky and I were scumreading VA to some various degree, and I don't think most of this game had a read on VA when they were asked to eval VA v myself VA prior to getting on Palmar's wagon was pushing me and when he couldn't do that, he dropped the scumread, Additionally when I pushed him further earlier on, he got very defensive. Quotes: Especially the problem with the above is that the "sleep" explanation doesn't cover for his push on me earlier and his not mentioning Palmar at that time. It doesn't answer the concern in the least. Now admittedly at this point in time, the vote thing is unflipped association, but if Palmar flips mafia, then he looks really bad despite voting Palmar. dam dude you are even worse then I thought. Thinking I am lying about sleeping, that is really reaching. Especially when the reason for me being mafia would make you mafia by proxy, pretty faulty reasoning. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:42 NocturneMage wrote: Oh and VA, I'm not saying you are lying about sleeping. That wasn't what my point was at all. Considering my purpose of stating that in there along with my explanation before and after, I think you are (quite likely intentionally) missing the point. 1. you are tunneling 2. you are fabricating whatever your point is, the only way that explanation makes sense is if you think I was lying about sleeping. The only way I would be able to join in the palmar discussion was if i was in the thread at the time. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:54 NocturneMage wrote: (1) Nope. I'm pretty sure you're mafia. Try again. (2) Nope again, you don't have to be in thread with Palmar to make that conclusion ahead of the time. Nor was my point even about you interacting with Palmar. Your reasoning for Palmar was this: Which is a point that is irrelevant to interactions. Nope Talking to you is like a brick wall that spouts gibberish, does anyone even understand what this guy is talking about? im putting him in chezinu territory at this point | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:51 disformation wrote: Also. Since scum shot the only two persons I really trusted in this damn game I need someone to sheep. Taking applications as to why I should sheep you, when I can start sheeping you and what your plans are to solve this game by day 3. Thank you guys. saving this post for later in my filter, suspicious and ill forget | ||
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On February 08 2016 23:54 nooniansoong wrote: he already explained this right? he was playing board games with the fam. That doesn't really explain anything though. I can handle afking this long since ive had to do the same once in a while but I've never seen some one that wasn't scum do a last minute vote like that to save himself after afking lol. and ive seen quite a few of them | ||
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On February 08 2016 23:39 marvellosity wrote: disfo is like 100% town yea his filter is already 12 pages, so probably. But never hurts to start preparing for lategame, I dont foresee me or him dying anytime soon. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:10 marvellosity wrote: he'll still be 100% town then too, 100% is 100% alright then, who should I be looking at? give me something to read im bored with palmar. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:21 nooniansoong wrote: i like koshi for possible tryhardish scum then nm for possible but unlikely tryhard superscum both of those are completely legit and possible if the scumteam isnt superlurk squad. I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. If palmar is scum though, he hard defended him since the beginning when he didnt really have to and made himself look super bad for basically no reason. Maybe I should look more at what he has done to help town though because I dont think its been much As for NM, its possible he is going for a BH style scum play but I honestly just started ignoring him. If you read his posts in depth they are actually just long walls of texts of nothing again recently that dont mean anything and are borderline english. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:38 Rels wrote: I don't know if that is really true though. He always said "I'm Ok with Palmar's lynch but ....", then as soon as N1 hits he was OK lynching Palmar. Yea which is my main way to catch koshi as scum, wishy washyness. I am opposed to lynching him tomorrow unless he keeps playing like this but we'll see what he can do next phase for town. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:35 nooniansoong wrote: vayne i think you underestimate nm's content. seems like he made a point about you that you disagreed with so you put your hands over your ears and shouted LALALLALALA. not really, you'll see that I conceded that his meta case on palmar was good and I give him props when he writes things that make sense. I know you dont care much but go look at his recent posting again and tell me its remotely close to his original cases, its borderline gibberish/english. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:46 Rels wrote: I don't believe NM can be mafia with Palmar, and Palmar is 99% scum, so I'm pretty sure NM is town. He was fighting pretty hard for Palmar to be lynched D1, he even might have been the reason Damdred switched. Then explain to me why he is trying to ride this palmar cred into the sunset and then some one that voted BEFORE him is scummy and im not even trying to get any palmar cred, i literally dont give a shit. I just vote what I think and thats it like ive always done. And then when you try to reason with him he just says "no, you're stupid" and leaves. If that's town I really can't see myself ever getting along with him. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:49 NocturneMage wrote: The bolded is a very bad reason to townread/townlean anyone let alone a player of (from what I understand) Koshi's calibre. Rels had probably the best argument as for why Koshi is likely scum. To the points you have (bolded), he pointed out that a lot of Koshi's reads went nowhere, a common scum trait. Day 1 it was the same thing I pointed out with how he approached reads on ritoky and Damdred. That read is actually pretty terrible. oh here he is to pop into the thread call me scum and leave again and call me stupid and fuck my wife and then leave ^^ just in time | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:24 NocturneMage wrote: Trfel told me something valuable in the Fullmetal postgame - it's not just the timing of your vote that counts - it's also the content and your involvement related to the vote. And on your (VA) end it was pretty minimal. (1) There was no mention of Palmar anywhere in your filter prior to your vote. Marv had been probing Palmar quite a bit and voted 5 hours prior to your vote. (2) AFAIK, you were not sheeping a townread or anything like that. The basis for your vote was unrelated to the interactions with marv/Palmar/etc. Just because you voted before me doesn't make you any more townier. To be fair, I could not play most of the first half of day 1, and because I was not present in thread with Palmar, I had to use different criteria to evaluate him (as opposed to my interactions, of course there were none). Even then my case on Palmar was roughly 3 hours before marv's vote on Palmar. + Show Spoiler [Focus on timestamps] + On February 05 2016 15:45 NocturneMage wrote: Why I have a bad feeling Palmar could be mafia Palmar - read the following games for a compare/contrast: Tropical Storm, Down Under 3, Generic Boring. - In Generic Boring, he was dead wrong everywhere but he was assertive as all hell, was n1ed - Tropical Storm, looks like one right read, one wrong one (Damdred/rsoultin) but here, he goes pushing rsoultin on voting record, and is adamant he knew when to drop a townread on someone/knowing whom to sheep, not seeing that here. Important because a number of people in reading this thread are saying "game is hard" to some extent. They all can't be mafia. A cursory look through Palmar's filter - no strong town reads (i.e. I would sheep so and so) - Down Under 3 - Here, another example of one of his "absolutist" posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?page=52#1026 Checking OP, all but one of these are wrong. Note: I purposely ignored PYP because a) it was a themed game b) multiple mafia teams The big contrast for me is tone. I'm seeing a lot of conditionals in this game (i.e. bf might be mafia), and a lot of absolutes in the above three games. Like he's so sure of himself even when he's wrong. The one thing I notice is his main involvement with JAT/marv/Koshi - two of which I'm townreading. Leads into the big contrast is his normal meta of lynching the inactives, the scummy players, etc. I'm looking for a push or even a trifle of anything against the sheer number of lower content players or even (almost universally?) scumread/discussed myself. Nothing. From Tropical Storm - and I know he applied this in PYP Finally I re-read his Outlaw Mafia filter for day 1 to refresh his day 1 scum play (go to his filter - read pages 1-3, day 1 ends at page 3) - and I'll be honest - his game so far here is a lot closer to his Day 1 play in Outlaw. I think people should read it - there's a lot of missing town tells that were present in the three games I discussed above. On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Palmar First mention of Palmar in your filter - On February 06 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote: oh and ##vote: Palmar He is supposed to be my day 1 antithesis, the pinnacle of good day 1 play. where is that here On February 06 2016 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote palmar That's the difference between my vote, and yours. Even though I didn't place the vote until after yours, you had zero mention of Palmar contentwise. Find me games where I am invested in the lynch as either alignment, its null. That's my playstyle and many people here can attest to that. Conveniently you use meta for everyone else but not me, funny that is. Also you are putting words in my mouth, never said it makes me townie or anything. Literally could not care less about looking or being townie. I only play this game for one reason, to be right. | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:32 disformation wrote: Also thinking Rels is town. So by POE my VCA basically says that VA has a very high chance of being scum. Will look more into VA after the flip. don't quit your day job with that analysis | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:40 NocturneMage wrote: No VA, I'm not putting words into your mouth, you didn't say you were more townie, but you sure implied it. The "Riding cred into the sunset" implies that I'm scum from your point of view. The "someone that voted before him is scummy and I'm not even trying to get any Palmar cred" is an implication for yourself that you are either town or more town than I am. You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't once tried to leverage being not on the zyrre wagon as something that I shouldnt be lynched for, which is what you implied. Anyways go ahead and find me those games since you like using meta so much. its the crux of your argument that i wasnt invested in the lynch, should be easy to find games where I am right? | ||
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On February 09 2016 02:28 marvellosity wrote: One interesting thing to notice about the votecount is the last 4 players (if we include you) on the Palmar train were town Usually (obv not always, but as a vague rule of thumb) you'd expect the players at the front to be town, and the players more in the middle/end to be mafia (where mafia come to the realisation they need to bus), but in this case it's not quite like that. It adds to the possibility the wagon was "pure" Basically everyone needs to take a deep breath and not complicate the game, this game seems really simple as long as I ignore NM and trust the meta read on him. Disform you arent taking into account the throwaway votes which are stupid indicative of mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:08 Rels wrote: Can you get the fuck out of the thread please he is onegu's replacement rofl | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote: @VayneAuthority: Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote: all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers | ||
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I don't think you read my post correctly. Read it again | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:02 Rels wrote: I did and I have no idea how you learned that. On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote: basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:17 Rels wrote: How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-ranking Has nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:26 Rels wrote: It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest. If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:30 Rels wrote: I just fucking said this thing has no alignement relevance anymore so you are fucking wrong. Go what you want with your time. NM has yet to post any of the meta evidence that I requested so i am not wrong | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:04 Rels wrote: Yeah that's why nm thought you were 1000% scum because you visited a guy that didn't dieI'm dead serious, NM will have a lot of explaining to do post game | ||
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But i actually did visit marv n1 | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:15 Rels wrote: Bs, he had to see you deliver kp to be this convinced it doesnt really matter what you think, youll see I visited marv day 1 postgame and I will be very interested in NMs answer | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: VA was scum from D1, his opening was terrible. Then he became angry from NM's questioning for no reason lol. yea man great day 1 play here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=MoosyDoosy | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:55 justanothertownie wrote: I feel bad for VA. Only mafia who played a decent game and he is the one getting owned by a questionable claim. #rekt its cool though, the one night i had complete control of mafia actions I rekt even if it didnt matter at all :D and GG well hosted by hosts and well played by the town, a seriously hard town to play against. Im pretty sure thats my first time being lynched as mafia ever on this website. | ||
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On February 16 2016 10:43 justanothertownie wrote: Pretty sure you got lynched in YOSO bro :p oh yea you're right. day 9 lynch what a brutal fucking game lol | ||
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