Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken - Page 9

On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
So here is what happened D1:

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48


Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1.

Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him:


Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous.


That would bring us to:

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him.

marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy.

Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town.

disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too.

VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things.

boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours..

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1.

darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys.

NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that.

Last, but not least:

MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night.

On February 09 2016 18:57 boxerfred wrote:
Chez:



His very entry to the thread. "Hey, my PM has some flavour to it, I am vanilla town." After that claim, he basically disappears into randomness. He's not participating in a good way D1. Here is a list of absolutely useless posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

This is followed by derailing and trolling with the whole "disformation vs. the Chezinu rule":

+ Show Spoiler +

Followed by, wait for it, more uselessness:

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm actually stopping to quote the useless posts now, because I do not want to paste the whole page 2 of his filter here. Some blahblah about "I graduated from Jedi Academy", more bullshit.

But then, there's an interesting series of posts in his filter:

+ Show Spoiler +

From a disformation vote (trolly or not, it was a huge derailing), he likes Palmar, the GF. Then throws in another name, nooniansong. Then ends up calling out Zyrre, a VT. And boom, at last, he says "I randomly copy pasted names" to render everything he just said useless. This is not "brown magic", this is not even non-valuable bullshit. This is clearly derailing the thread, actively creating confusion, trying to mislead people. I mean, those are his townreads, right?

Well, after rendering his list useless by "i just copy pasted", he goes again to it:

"Hey, here are townreads. Hey, no, kidding. Hey, yes, indeed."
Had to think of this (00:59).

Like, what is this even?

A bit later, more on Palmar:


Can't say if it's bold "he's my scum buddy so I townread him" or if it's a real townread. Given that he was the only one voting outside of the Palmar train D2, I think it's "it's too scummy to be scum so people will townread me for that move lol". Exactly the stuff I'd expect out of Chez as far as I got to know him.

Note: up until now (D2), there is not a single scum read given from Chezinu.
But, finally, here they are:



I wonder how this would make sense. Marv would've bussed the shit out of Palmar, while I would've hard defended Palmar D1. I mean, I townread him, right? While I made a huge case on ritoky which was entirely wrong since ritoky was town. How would the combination of marv and me make sense in any way? How would you draw such a conclusion?
Interestingly enough, Chezinu paints a connection between a guy with a top reputation as town and someone who tends to be mislynched easily. If people had to decide between lynching me and lynching marv, I'd be dead.
In that context, the next post makes even more sense:


A direct attack on me - and an attempt to simply get marv's attention, almost like a 3-year-old running to papa, hugging him, "dad, do you love me? i love you too!". So at first, he says "boxerfred and marv, scum together, interesting", then he splits the scum dream team again into "boxer = scum" and "marv what you think of me"? If he really scumreads marv, why would he care for what marv thinks about him?

Oh, and in true Chezinu manner, this tiny little bit of "giving reads" is followed up by more useless stuff:

+ Show Spoiler +

Next up, his reaction to the Palmar flip:
+ Show Spoiler [wtf] +


This post is so scummy.
Remember: at this point in time, Chez has done exactly NOTHING to help town. He didn't drop any hard town reads, he didn't push anyone for being scum, he did not participate in serious discussions, he did exactly nothing to help town. On the contrary, partially, he even derailed the thread into pure unreadable and useless garbage. Then, suddenly, he comes up with this post. I take the following points out of this post:

a. "I helped to form a second wagon on Day 1". This is weak. He's referring to the Zyrre wagon (imho). Yes, given that both have flipped now, we should indeed go back to some VCA of D1 votes. But was it indeed Chez' intention to create a second wagon to simply gain more information? And, way more important: did he REALLY help create that wagon? No! He did not.
b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important:



Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky boxerfred, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy
nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfred
NocturneMage (0),disformation disformation
ritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,
Onegu (0):, nooniansoong
Disformation (0): Chezinu,Chezinu
MoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong

Not Voting (0):

Tonight Zyrre had been executed.
Day 1 has ended.

Why was he on Zyrre if he wanted to lynch Palmar? He could've made the difference. He could've hammered Palmar, and he even said the he wanted to do it! But he did not do it. Here is the progression:

D1:
1. He likes Palmar. Drops a townread.
2. Votes [color=green]Zyrre[/color], in a close 8-7 scenario, over [color=red]Palmar[/color].

D2:
1. Does not vote Palmar, being the only one not voting Palmar. "Too scummy to be scum", someone said.
2. Once Palmar flips, Chez says that he "secretly wanted Palmar to die D1". Which is an obvious lie.

...but, yeah, ends with:


Now that is bold.



Now, D3. Chez follows marv onto Koshi.



I'm not believing this tbh. Like, if I go into a thread and decide not to read up, I at least read the last 2-3 posts. Your eye directly falls on it, and if you plan to say something about a guy, how can you ignore his bolded red name? So Chez scumreads Koshi, sheeping a guy who should be established and accepted town, marv. The same guy he tried to pocket earlier, by the way.

Chez does nothing to add substance to his Koshi read. He's simply following thread sentiment by marv.

And after this, he goes nuts about me, also without adding substance. Without mentioning even a single post besides my initial post where I have him in my scum list. And, look at that:


"You must be scum. It's just like it."

##vote Chezinu