EPTPalmar is probably scum. boxerfred is probably scum. noon is very poor right now.
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
Palmar is probably scum. boxerfred is probably scum. noon is very poor right now. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
mMmmm....I'm also conflicted on Rels which is never ever a good thing. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
so I'll start with boxerfred, my concern is he was back and forth without any rationale, just as someone else said, overall erratic and all over the place. I have never played with the guy so I have to see whether that's routine for him or not. It looks bad but aside from the first half of day 1 I don't recall offhand a stance on either Palmar or Zyrre, and whether he was sheeping a townread, so if neither are true then he does look really bad. Could scum fake that though....I'm not sure. It's one thing to fake an easy meta like being afk, but just to type all that gibberish. I would have to read day 1 again and double check progression. If there was lack of, then yeah he's not good at all. Noon is a tough nut to crack - he saw potential town tells in Zyrre and then said he did something that negated the read, and didn't feel there was enough to implicate Palmar, the latter I can understand if he's not played much with him, though he played with him in Outlaw but I'm not sure of the experience between those two. It's not necessarily scummy. I don't think his vote in of itself is faulty, but separate from the vote, his not wanting to play is just meh, and I cannot blame people for wanting to policy lynch him initially. I don't think there's anything wrong with filing him under the 50/50 column, and then lynching him via process of elimination in the late game if there's enough others who are towny - if an inv role redchecks him then of course, all the better. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 07 2016 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: There were some things about ritoky that ticked in my mind. I think it was concerning disfo. mMmmm....I'm also conflicted on Rels which is never ever a good thing. You mind elaborating? From last night when we were playing that pick a townie game or whatever it was, you townread me for the very same things that Rels and disformation scumread me for. So can you explain that and explain what else, - if any - makes Rels potentially scum? I really don't think he is. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On February 05 2016 13:56 Chezinu wrote: I likes Palmar... + Show Spoiler + Haven't read thread, only trolled when I was at work Also go fk urself boxerfred and haters. This is an interesting tidbit from my little game earlier which might come into play in the future. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
You said you didn't trust ritoky middle of day 1 when we were playing that game, and I don't really think you answered my question at that time. What between ritoky and disformation looked suspicious to you? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. | ||
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justanothertownie
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But I seriously wonder if a vigshot isn't better placed on Onegu, Moosy or some other unreadable guy who will make us waste a lynch on him regardless of his alignment anyways. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows. ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Well here's the thing, for me for Rels - a key scum tell is him taking words/quotes/etc out of context. When he was pushing me day 1, he didn't see me logically and in most of my games I am able to get my arguments out in a logical manner. Here he didn't understand my early push on VA, quite frankly, no one did, and I saw his interactions with other people, and I didn't see any of those scum tells that makes me wary. Town Rels has a cleaner game IMO from what I see. as for the ritoky/disformation I cannot see how what you are saying makes EITHER of those two mafia. Disformation makes a shit case because (a) he cannot articulate himself well (b) he's confirmation biasing (which JAT basically confirmed near end of cycle) (c) he's mafia. Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. Like this really isn't clear to me. At best you have pre-flip read here. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Just felt like he was pushing agenda when I read his posts, they seemed to be strategically and not random Chez. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 07 2016 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Some part of me hopes palmar is town. If only because if he is scum I played a perfect day1 just to throw it all away at the very last second. But I seriously wonder if a vigshot isn't better placed on Onegu, Moosy or some other unreadable guy who will make us waste a lynch on him regardless of his alignment anyways. Given how close the end of cycle wagons were I believe the mechanically correct decision is to vig shoot Palmar, should we have one. Compounded with his play, I feel it is best. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 07 2016 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Some part of me hopes palmar is town. If only because if he is scum I played a perfect day1 just to throw it all away at the very last second. But I seriously wonder if a vigshot isn't better placed on Onegu, Moosy or some other unreadable guy who will make us waste a lynch on him regardless of his alignment anyways. You want me to shoot Onegu? I can do that. With Pleasure. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 07 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote: Just felt like he was pushing agenda when I read his posts, they seemed to be strategically and not random Chez. A look through his filter shows trolling of disformation which I felt wasn't alignment indicative because it's an unreadable player more or less trolling, townreading Noon, and then voting Zyrre, you could implicate him for the final decision, but like I said before I really have no idea how to actually read him. He didn't appear to be "pushing" anything, I asked him why Zyrre when he ninja voted and he just said "for Zyrre". Like I think the ninja vote makes Chez look bad, but I couldn't tell he was pushing anything. Like Chez wasn't screaming at people to vote Zyrre. Plus Noon said that as mafia Chez doesn't do anything. Chez said something about him and Noon being Jedi brothers (implied townread??) but IDK how that reflects agenda. Maybe some other Chez experts can weigh in. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 07 2016 02:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: I forget how ritoky read Palmar earlier in the day and its progression throughout. Palmar is probably scum. boxerfred is probably scum. noon is very poor right now. You keep being bad, it's so fun. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 07 2016 00:31 Koshi wrote: I stood up this morning (4pm) thinking you could be mafia. But maybe not. This argument only holds weight of Palomar is scum. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE". Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that. I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 07 2016 02:04 marvellosity wrote: Explain where I'm being 'douchey' or I will lynch you at my earliest convenience The page before I said that. You're not scum because you're douchey exactly. I mean you prob aren't scum at all but you might be. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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