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On February 10 2016 07:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:22 boxerfred wrote:On February 10 2016 07:20 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:19 boxerfred wrote:
oh cmon rels Sry buddy you tried too hard im not going to react to your tunneling. Just one thing: remember that game where I was scum - and we all called you SCUM MVP because you TUNNEL THE FUCK OUT OF A TOWNIE which helped us a fucking lot? You're doing it again. I also remember games where I tunneled scum. Sry bud. Like, if you first reaction after your post in point 2 had been "oh yeah I'm dumb I forgot about the scum vig again", it was kinda unbelivable but maybe town possible. BUT YOU TRIED TO ARGUEE YOU WERE REMEMBERING OF SCUM VIG WHEN CLEARLY IT IS NOT THE CASE So you lied to explain yuor actions. Scum.
why would I lie to explain a dumbtell, ever
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Also boxerfred been dumb telling about the scum vig.
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On February 10 2016 07:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:23 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:22 boxerfred wrote:On February 10 2016 07:20 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:19 boxerfred wrote:
oh cmon rels Sry buddy you tried too hard im not going to react to your tunneling. Just one thing: remember that game where I was scum - and we all called you SCUM MVP because you TUNNEL THE FUCK OUT OF A TOWNIE which helped us a fucking lot? You're doing it again. I also remember games where I tunneled scum. Sry bud. Like, if you first reaction after your post in point 2 had been "oh yeah I'm dumb I forgot about the scum vig again", it was kinda unbelivable but maybe town possible. BUT YOU TRIED TO ARGUEE YOU WERE REMEMBERING OF SCUM VIG WHEN CLEARLY IT IS NOT THE CASE So you lied to explain yuor actions. Scum. why would I lie to explain a dumbtell, ever
Cause as scum you HAVE this need to logically explain every attack against you. So you lied, you said something that seemed to make sense, but I just proved it was a lie.
Why would you lie as town BTW ?
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On February 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Also boxerfred been dumb telling about the scum vig.
Twice two days in a row ?
Can you read my case please ?
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On February 10 2016 07:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:17 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:56 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 06:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Please lynch me next cycle so i don't get modkilled, i don't see NM actually doing anything about his hypocritical play so I am legit not going to post next phase.
On February 10 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
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???????? I don't think you read my post correctly. Read it again How did you know NM was a good player ? reread my post I did and I have no idea how you learned that. On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post:On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-rankingHas nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest.
If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted
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Also dis what you wanted to talk to me about?
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Let's solve this. Did either disformation or boxerfred properly violate the Chezinu Rule?
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On February 10 2016 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:26 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:17 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:56 Rels wrote:
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I don't think you read my post correctly. Read it again How did you know NM was a good player ? reread my post I did and I have no idea how you learned that. On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post:On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-rankingHas nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest. If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted
I just fucking said this thing has no alignement relevance anymore so you are fucking wrong. Go what you want with your time.
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On February 10 2016 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Also boxerfred been dumb telling about the scum vig. Twice two days in a row ? Can you read my case please ?
I will check it out right now.
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On February 10 2016 07:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:26 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:17 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
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I don't think you read my post correctly. Read it again How did you know NM was a good player ? reread my post I did and I have no idea how you learned that. On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post:On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-rankingHas nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest. If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted I just fucking said this thing has no alignement relevance anymore so you are fucking wrong. Go what you want with your time.
NM has yet to post any of the meta evidence that I requested so i am not wrong
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On February 10 2016 07:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:30 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:26 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:17 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:
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How did you know NM was a good player ? reread my post I did and I have no idea how you learned that. On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post:On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-rankingHas nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest. If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted I just fucking said this thing has no alignement relevance anymore so you are fucking wrong. Go what you want with your time. NM has yet to post any of the meta evidence that I requested so i am not wrong
Don't answer to me then. BTW what is your scum meta ?
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On February 10 2016 07:30 Chezinu wrote:
Let's solve this. Did either disformation or boxerfred properly violate the Chezinu Rule?
Answer your own question.
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On February 10 2016 07:34 disformation wrote:
Summoning no jutsu of LS complete
Yo, what question did I not answer ?
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how so sson. I did not give a deflective answer on Rels, that is how unsure I am of him. I don’t think you understand how the relationship between me and him works. In games that he is town I always immediately know that he is town. Otherwise I have felt twinges of strangeness that end up in him as Mafia. This read is based on his opening but I’m not going to go further because I want to keep it as secret as possible. Part of the reason why I joined this game was because it had Damdred and a bunch of people that I could easily read (you, Rels) who would serve as decent townies so that I could troll hard if I wanted. So the moment I felt strangeness in Rels, I wanted to lynch him but his posts during that time actually reflected my thoughts. (posts around ritoky and disfo) And I unfortunately have a bad track record of deciding on feeling or logic in the past. There are very few cases where feeling has trumped logic so I was waffling on Rels’ alignment. Normally he would be scum. Unfortunately, he was doing good things and I had set the mandate for myself to always decide on logic > feelings in all future Mafia games. So I decided to wait and see. When Palmar came around, he was 100% the lynch so there was really nothing to do. Rels’ push onto Koshi could have come from either alignment. The way he would question other people would show his behavior which he wasn’t really doing (he was pushing koshi). So I waited until this day for Rels to do stuff to get the read on him.
This is how I formulate my reads whether you like it or not lolol.
Whether you like it or not NM, I am also right in how you play. As town you’re rather aggressive, push points, and use convoluted reasoning to come to conclusions. As mafia you’re prone to dishing out wall reads and more passive play while analyzing things like a robot. It’s also very easy for me to know your alignment because I was there to watch your play progress.
There are set ways you play as town because as town you would not attempt to not play like town (except for me). And it’s clear in both Rels and you 100% ez reads.
Also NM, you have absolutely the wrong grasp of my town meta. This was my game before this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=moosydoosy
As bad as it is, I log into games to troll now, not to play.
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On February 10 2016 07:15 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting
So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:
at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily.
namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing.
pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal.
I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Meh, I mean. My alignment is fairly obvious but if you read it that way. You should also revisit that last quote block. :p I didn't take the time to refute it, but a lot of it was incorrect. Actually, no it wasn't. All of the points had references, some can doubt the subjectivity of number 3 but the rest of the points it is pretty clear if you read the filter and read the thread. You might also consider addressing Nooniansoong's case against you too. He brought up some original points against you I think that I didn't consider when I first read them.
how so sson. I did not give a deflective answer on Rels, that is how unsure I am of him. I don’t think you understand how the relationship between me and him works. In games that he is town I always immediately know that he is town. Otherwise I have felt twinges of strangeness that end up in him as Mafia. This read is based on his opening but I’m not going to go further because I want to keep it as secret as possible. Part of the reason why I joined this game was because it had Damdred and a bunch of people that I could easily read (you, Rels) who would serve as decent townies so that I could troll hard if I wanted. So the moment I felt strangeness in Rels, I wanted to lynch him but his posts during that time actually reflected my thoughts. (posts around ritoky and disfo) And I unfortunately have a bad track record of deciding on feeling or logic in the past. There are very few cases where feeling has trumped logic so I was waffling on Rels’ alignment. Normally he would be scum. Unfortunately, he was doing good things and I had set the mandate for myself to always decide on logic > feelings in all future Mafia games. So I decided to wait and see. When Palmar came around, he was 100% the lynch so there was really nothing to do. Rels’ push onto Koshi could have come from either alignment. The way he would question other people would show his behavior which he wasn’t really doing (he was pushing koshi). So I waited until this day for Rels to do stuff to get the read on him.
This is how I formulate my reads whether you like it or not lolol.
Whether you like it or not NM, I am also right in how you play. As town you’re rather aggressive, push points, and use convoluted reasoning to come to conclusions. As mafia you’re prone to dishing out wall reads and more passive play while analyzing things like a robot. It’s also very easy for me to know your alignment because I was there to watch your play progress.
There are set ways you play as town because as town you would not attempt to not play like town (except for me). And it’s clear in both Rels and you 100% ez reads.
Also NM, you have absolutely the wrong grasp of my town meta. This was my game before this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=moosydoosy
As bad as it is, I log into games to troll now, not to play.
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On February 10 2016 07:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:30 Chezinu wrote:
Let's solve this. Did either disformation or boxerfred properly violate the Chezinu Rule?
Answer your own question.
obv disformation didn't break it. Koshi claimed he did but he didn't
As for boxer, I need to read the thread, but I know he came against me before - but it was after the Chez Rule was revealed (so does that count?)
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On February 10 2016 07:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:34 disformation wrote:
Summoning no jutsu of LS complete Yo, what question did I not answer ?
Ah, IC you misunderstood my post. You did not not answer a question. You stole my question I wanted to ask VA. 
But is fine and well since you nearly got him to answer.
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On February 10 2016 07:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:35 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 07:34 disformation wrote:
Summoning no jutsu of LS complete Yo, what question did I not answer ? Ah, IC you misunderstood my post. You did not not answer a question. You stole my question I wanted to ask VA. But is fine and well since you nearly got him to answer.
Oh OK. p:
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On February 10 2016 07:36 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 07:35 marvellosity wrote:On February 10 2016 07:30 Chezinu wrote:
Let's solve this. Did either disformation or boxerfred properly violate the Chezinu Rule?
Answer your own question. obv disformation didn't break it. Koshi claimed he did but he didn't As for boxer, I need to read the thread, but I know he came against me before - but it was after the Chez Rule was revealed (so does that count?)
Ah, IC where you are getting at. Not sure if the rule counts if the person of question might be aware of that. boxerfred has not 100% reading the thread so he might have missed it. But not sure. Also it is your rule. xD
You should be able to decide if it applies or not.
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