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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 09 2016 22:40 GMT
#2521
Hey Rels, I may or may not experiencing with NM what I had to go through with you.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2016 22:40 GMT
#2522
Rels I will respond to your case when I get home where I will be on a computer for quoting large posts(phone quoting large posts suckered for me)
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 09 2016 22:41 GMT
#2523
Gonna shower and stuff. Probs not back before deadline.

Whatever you guys do, lynch koshi tomorrow. Don't get distracted. He is 100% mafia. Do that and then figure the rest out.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 09 2016 22:42 GMT
#2524
On February 10 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Also dis what you wanted to talk to me about?

Just had a spontaneous bout of "hey LS hasn't posted in a while, I want him to do stuff so I can figure out his alignment".
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 09 2016 22:42 GMT
#2525
On February 10 2016 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna shower and stuff. Probs not back before deadline.

Whatever you guys do, lynch koshi tomorrow. Don't get distracted. He is 100% mafia. Do that and then figure the rest out.

roger. *salutes*
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 09 2016 22:43 GMT
#2526
Kylo.. don't hit me. plz?

Please don't hurt me Kylo, what would Mr. Solo think?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 09 2016 22:43 GMT
#2527
Ps I think ls is town
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 09 2016 22:44 GMT
#2528
On February 10 2016 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
Ps I think ls is town

PSPS: I think Chez is town and so did ritoky.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 09 2016 22:46 GMT
#2529
On February 10 2016 07:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, I may or may not experiencing with NM what I had to go through with you.

(=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 09 2016 22:46 GMT
#2530
On February 10 2016 07:44 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
Ps I think ls is town

PSPS: I think Chez is town and so did ritoky.

You're funny. (=
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 09 2016 22:47 GMT
#2531
If I die tonight, know everything I said was pretty random.... almost. Also, Koshi started it.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2016 22:48 GMT
#2532
On February 10 2016 07:42 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Also dis what you wanted to talk to me about?

Just had a spontaneous bout of "hey LS hasn't posted in a while, I want him to do stuff so I can figure out his alignment".

Okay I will.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 09 2016 22:49 GMT
#2533
I will try solving the Chez rule if I make it past the night.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 09 2016 22:49 GMT
#2534
On February 10 2016 07:47 Chezinu wrote:
If I die tonight, know everything I said was pretty random.... almost. Also, Koshi started it.

Nah, don't worry scum should shoot me over you. Or I'll just protect you with my body.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2016 22:49 GMT
#2535
On February 10 2016 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
Ps I think ls is town

<3 you
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 09 2016 22:53 GMT
#2536
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 09 2016 22:58 GMT
#2537
DIE KYLO DIE!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 09 2016 22:59 GMT
#2538
Pretty Damn Sure They Are Town - in no particular order

marvellosity - duh
Rels - duh
disformation - duh
Nooniansoong (same reasons cited by Marv, Koshi pushing hard for his lynch/similar scumreads as myself plus rationale to arrive at them)

Pretty Sure He's Town (Only Lynch in a 2:1 lylo situation)
darthfoley - wrong side of the Day 1 lynch, but pretty invested day 1, pretty substantial arguments days 1 and 3

Give Him More Time To Show Himself as Town
LightningStrike - From experience with him in Dark Tournament, I found his town playstyle very scummy, I remember Rels and a few others correcting me on how to read him. I want to see him make more substantial reads on finding the two remaining mafia between Chez/BF/VA/Moosy. That should give you an answer I think.

Gut Call - Town
boxerfred - There's a few tells on his end and there's a few peripheral things I'm seeing. Things I don't like about him - the self-meta, the vote day 1. (If Palmar had flipped vig, he'd look significantly worse I would say.) For someone who might struggle as town, his response to me regarding Moosy's vote makes sense. Having mislynched him in Firefly, I can see the reasons his towngame might not be great if he's afk; in Firefly boxerfred was scumreading me all game for really dumb things, so it's very believable he's not focusing on the right things as town. Peripheral things - he's on a LOT of people's scumlists and most concerningly, he's on the scumlist of my two top scumreads (Koshi aside).

Now I realise the last is unflipped association, but my remaining top scumreads have nothing townie about them - and I would lynch them any day above boxerfred.

God Help Us All
Chezinu - The two things Chezinu has going for him if I had to get ANYTHING from his filter - ignoring meta is that (1) he's not playing to survive - that "don't give a fuck" attitude and (2) he's on too many scumlists, particularly my scumreads. Even then I've been very frustrated with his Day 1 vote for God knows what reason and not making any sense with any of his reads, why he says certain reads are "interesting"

MoosyDoosy - Get Your Red Flags Up - Probable Scum

(1) Voting Analysis - Solo vote/off wagon
(2) Repeated question dodging
(3) Point taken from Nooniansoong - constant second guessing of his reads

99% Scum - Koshi - LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE DAY 4

(1) Voting Analysis - Made the vote to save flipped scum Palmar before Damdred switched again
(2) Directionless reads on DF/Damdred/ritoky Day 1
(3) No followup on a scumread on me Day 1
(4) General scumclaim conversation with marvellosity Day 2 as Palmar was getting autolynched
(5) Burnt out quip - in of itself it's not alignment indicative but taken with everything else it is

1000% SCUM - VAYNE AUTHORITY - LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE DAY 3

(1) Voting Analysis - Early vote on Palmar for towncred, lack of substantiation or investment in the lynch, points on Palmar were made (a) unrelated to the key arguments for this game and well after I meta-cased him.

(2) Overall lack of direction/reads Days 1 and 2 - in particular you need to really read his filter. Look for lack of followup on me, DF, disformation and one other player.

(3) Point from marvellosity - "post-hoc" explanation for reaction test.

(4) Playing for survival/cruising on his town meta - just look at his day 2/night 2 responses to me - "this is my town meta". Both Nooniansoong and ritoky have called him on reasons he's mafia.

(5) The "how did he know I was a good player" issue? I've never played with him. How would he know?

(6) The Intangible - Finally, you've just got to trust me with this read.

IF I DIE THIS NIGHT PHASE, VA IS CONFIRMED MAFIA.

I AM NOT INSANE. THERE IS A REASON I AM SAYING THIS.

ANYONE WHO CAN THINK A MODICUM OUTSIDE THE BOX SHOULD REALISE WHY I'VE BEEN PUSHING HIM HARD. I HAVEN'T STOPPED AFTER DAY 1.

YES KOSHI IS MAFIA.

BUT PLEASE LYNCH VAYNE AUTHORITY BEFORE KOSHI. IF I DIE, THAT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW.

DO NOT LET HIM TALK YOU OUT OF IT. JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 09 2016 22:59 GMT
#2539
If I die, lynch Koshi. He's scum. Chez is also probably scum.

BUT DONT FORGET BF. HE S SCUM. If I die please take the time to either read my case:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2016 07:16 Rels wrote:
BF is scum: a tell of dumb


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+ Show Spoiler +

On February 08 2016 02:36 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 02:35 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2016 02:31 boxerfred wrote:
On February 08 2016 01:14 nooniansoong wrote:
On February 08 2016 01:13 Rels wrote:
Both ritoky and Damdred townread kush too.


Lol rels you are going way too deep with this vca. To me it looks like scum killed strong town players who weren't likely to be protected.

That would mean that scum hit with their weird big gun and no vig shot was fired. It feels a bit like TMI what you're saying. You're a bit too sure.

The big gun only kills power roles. None of the flipped ppl were a power role.

oh okay. lol what a bad vig shot then

On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:
[image loading]
BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it.

On February 08 2016 02:43 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:
[image loading]
BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it.

looks like I should read more then :<


24 hours ago, BF made the "dumbtell" of not knowing there was a scum vig, when it was talked about at length at some point before. I reminded it to him.

2
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?

24 hours later, BFmakes a post talking about the fact that there is three kills. He completely forgets the scum vig that I mentioned to him previously. We can be sure that he forgets it because he says "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?", so either he doesn't remember there is a scum vig, or he's faking it.
This is the first point as to why BF is scum: how can he forget there is a scum vig when I mention it to him 24 hours ago ? Furthermore, the open question "did I miss stuff ?" is an invitation to being corrected. Scum is likely to do that to (1) make a dumbtell, proving they are not scum 'cause they wouldn't forget that, and (2) that let him discuss with people, bringing activity.

3
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote:
but Rels

what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that?

Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago.

I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too.

Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 06:55 boxerfred wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago.

I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too.

what are you talking about????

I said some time ago that we have a bad vig. Rels told me there's a scum vig role in the game. Now I say again maybe there's a bad vig in. This time with the realization that we have poe dameron, a vig role for town, in.

BF says he didn't forget that there is a scum vig, that he simply didn't mention him to focus on the town vig.
This is a lie. As seen in point 2, BF either forgot about scum vig, or faked it. It's not possible the sentence "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?" is made with a scum vig in mind.
It shows BF is scum because lie = scum.


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Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 06:55 boxerfred wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:54 Rels wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote:
On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago.

I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too.

No you said:
On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?

You didn't mention the possibility of the scum vig. You said "did I miss stuff"

oh true I actually forgot about the scum vig because I was looking at Poe Dameron.

BF finally admits he forgot abuot the scum vig.
This is a lie, because in the posts quoted in point 3 he argueed he actually didn't forget to explain his behaviour.
Lie = scum.





BF => scum.



Or the TLDR version (you'll need to open the spoilers if yuo want to read the BF posts though):

  • BF made the same dumbtell 2 days in a row: forgetting there was a scum vig. This is hard to believe.
  • BF tried to arguee he didn't forget, but was simply considering other possibilities. THIS IS A LIE, YOU CAN VERIFY IT S A LIE BY SIMPLY READING HIS POST (the post in point 2 of the case).
  • BF then admited he forgot abuot the scum vig. THEN THAT PROVES THE POSTS WHERE HE ARGUEED HE DIDNT FORGET HE SCUM VIG ARE BULLSHIT
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 09 2016 23:00 GMT
#2540
Stop posting. Night actions resolving.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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