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What the fuck
I feel like I messed up the cycles completely. 24 night 48 day, right? I thought this would be first 24h of day 4?
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On February 10 2016 04:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 23:16 NocturneMage wrote:Here is the vote count with strikethroughs: On February 06 2016 08:12 Half the Sky wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky boxerfred, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong Here is your VCA (spoilered for brevity) + Show Spoiler [Your vote analysis] +On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote:So here is what happened D1:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. I want to focus on a few things. First question - the read on Moosy - I don't quite understand this. MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. IIRC, Moosy was entirely afk or nearly entirely AFK for end of cycle. His only vote came roughly 19 hours before the end when I was playing the "pick a townie" game with him in the middle of the night (our time). It was on VA, and he never pushed that vote. He just threw it down and left (quotes below, or read his filter) He placed his vote down on VA and never moved it (if you can see HTS votecount with all the cancelled votes), and was completely AFK so regardless of Palmar's alignment the vote looks poor because he escapes accountability altogether. This was his vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=40#791This was his FINAL post before end of cycle about 18h before end of cycle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#838This was his first post ~1h AFTER the lynch http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=73#1443Here's the question - now knowing or possibly realising that Moosy was severely AFK and his non-push of his own vote, does this make him any more or less town to you? You assume that Moosy was AFK. I think he was lurking (ie. not afk). A lurky scum!Moosy would have switched to Zyrre at some point IMHO which is why in my VCA I say it's town indicative. Of course can just be idgaf afk, yep. Hm I'm gonna give two answers: Lurky, lazy Moosy: townish for not voting Zyrre AFK Moosy: scummy/nullish Given that he was in-thread one hour after the lynch I can see him being AFK. Plus, this: On February 06 2016 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 05 2016 22:23 boxerfred wrote:On February 05 2016 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On February 05 2016 22:19 boxerfred wrote:On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote:On February 04 2016 10:48 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote:
Sweet, I like being town. A lot less pressure. Wanted to point this out. To be fair, I have done this as town before, but it's worth noting. On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote:
I hate this game already.
hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan I followed the PYP game with Koshi and Palmar,[...][/QUOTE ] Not sure I correctly understand that sentence. That with is kinda confusing me. Also good to know since VA, Rels and me where also in PYP, so you I am interested in seeing how you read those three when compared to PYP. Rels hasn't posted yet here, so you don't need to do so now. Mainly want this post in my filter to remember to ask you about those three. xD On February 05 2016 05:36 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 05:28 Koshi wrote:
lol you just claimed mafia
##unvote
##vote disformation Since you are not actually voting for me in the voting thread, I assume this is a joke? Really confused here. On February 05 2016 06:26 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 06:17 disformation wrote:
Also HtS got back to my PM: the strong arm thing appears to be a role and scum does not have a free strong arm shot for their faction. Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot". I agree and am kinda confused by this. Confusion is of the darkside... Can we lynch this guy? He's not contributing, just derailing the thread, and there's no need for someone like this to survive a day where chances to hit scum are the lowest anyways. Why him and not Kush, Onegu or Moosy? He's actively derailing the thread. Reactions to his posts are pure bullshit and do not help. Basically "doing nothing" (Onegu, MD) vs. "actively derailing town and doing nothing else" (Chezinu) aaaand boxer still can't read me lolol @_@ Yeah I should scumlean him, minimum. Especially since I just saw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#840which paints you green af. How could I miss this lol? :D I was afk
If I get lynched before this super constructive player of here who's probably scum I will laugh so hard at town.
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On February 10 2016 04:30 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:31 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 23:25 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah Noon, I'm pretty positive VayneAuthority is mafia. He is the most likely mafia on the Palmar train (and something tells me there IS one on the Palmar train), and there are several reasons related to the vote and unrelated to the vote that make him mafia.
I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier.
I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. It's fine to bring my name up, because it's true that I have been kind of set aside as town-lean by most people besides you. I find this point to be a mini town read towards you. Feel free to question me, but I think it's clear that although my activity is lower than in the Newbie town game I just finished, my play has been quite different from the one game I was scum. Not a big sample size to consider tbf. The only thing is, you've brought up my name multiple times as potential scum, but your only reason has been my filter length/activity, which I think is easily understandable in this sort of game: there are lots of experienced good players, so I have no problem taking a step back and being more introspective in my posts than leading the town. It wouldn't really make sense tbh. Activity needs to be complimented by other stuff if you're serious about potentially scum reading me... otherwise, it is kinda pointless imo
Nah, I never brought you up as a scumread of mine, I brought you up as a low activity guy I need to look into to get a grip on him. As of now, I'll just sheep town since i'm lazy anyways.
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On February 10 2016 04:33 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:31 boxerfred wrote:
What the fuck
I feel like I messed up the cycles completely. 24 night 48 day, right? I thought this would be first 24h of day 4? This is night 2, ends tonight midnight CET, then begins 48h day 3. boxerfred, what do you think about my post on page 117 (post 2333). You asked for it.
Just now got to read in more carefully.
I fully agree with (3).
Regarding (4) - Had to think about that a second, but here's my conclusion: I guess it does make sense that a named VT is a potential target for the strongarm shot, or at least that's a debatable move. However the "lead town D1" stuff is extremely shitty. Also, let's be honest - a named VT can be quite strong endgame, right? So it wouldn't make sense to out D1. Also, bluehunting is considered to be scummy, so yeah.
Regarding (2) - his reactions (the quoted ones, didn't get back into his filter) do not feel like the VA I got to know. In the games I played with him, he was low activity but seemed to not give a fuck about people pushing him. VA, can you disprove me here? The Palmar vote is awkward, but I think it's not necessarily scum indicative. He's 3rd on that wagon, bit early to bus.
And (1) - yeah, true.
So actually, VA is not on top of my lynch list after that, I can see him being scum though.
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On February 10 2016 06:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:04 marvellosity wrote:Is bf dumb telling hard or what? Do we believe it?  I have a hard time deciding on that. He's been doing it a few times already
The cycle stuff isn't even an alignment indicative dumbtell boys.
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On February 10 2016 06:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:13 boxerfred wrote:On February 10 2016 06:05 Rels wrote:On February 10 2016 06:04 marvellosity wrote:Is bf dumb telling hard or what? Do we believe it? I have a hard time deciding on that. He's been doing it a few times already The cycle stuff isn't even an alignment indicative dumbtell boys. Except as mafia you'd really know it was night So it's genuine and you're town, or you're faking it
oh holymoly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_Carnival
I live at Cologne. Guess what I've been doing mainly the last days
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On February 10 2016 06:24 marvellosity wrote:
bf, I think you made a pretty valid point in your post at the bottom of the last page about VA's reaction to being scumread. There was a game I played in sometime last year I think and I (correctly) scumread VA on day 1, and he just poured so much scorn on me, it was actually quite amusing to watch.
And there's been times I scumread him as town and he kinda... just ignored me, or was deliberately annoying, but it was different, he didn't insult me for my play there.
Some food for thought
On February 10 2016 06:12 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:33 NocturneMage wrote:On February 10 2016 04:31 boxerfred wrote:
What the fuck
I feel like I messed up the cycles completely. 24 night 48 day, right? I thought this would be first 24h of day 4? This is night 2, ends tonight midnight CET, then begins 48h day 3. boxerfred, what do you think about my post on page 117 (post 2333). You asked for it. Just now got to read in more carefully. I fully agree with (3). Regarding (4) - Had to think about that a second, but here's my conclusion: I guess it does make sense that a named VT is a potential target for the strongarm shot, or at least that's a debatable move. However the "lead town D1" stuff is extremely shitty. Also, let's be honest - a named VT can be quite strong endgame, right? So it wouldn't make sense to out D1. Also, bluehunting is considered to be scummy, so yeah.
Regarding (2) - his reactions (the quoted ones, didn't get back into his filter) do not feel like the VA I got to know. In the games I played with him, he was low activity but seemed to not give a fuck about people pushing him. VA, can you disprove me here? The Palmar vote is awkward, but I think it's not necessarily scum indicative. He's 3rd on that wagon, bit early to bus. And (1) - yeah, true. So actually, VA is not on top of my lynch list after that, I can see him being scum though.
This, I assume?
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EBWOP bringing it up to everybody's attention
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Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy
This is my world. I sheep darthfoley green now while moving VA from initial green to red. So it looks like I should settle on VA vs. MD, right? We're all d'accord in Chezinu and Koshi so far.
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tbh while I see the points on VA, I'd still rather lynch MD. Moosy is not doing jack shit and hasn't done anything all game. He didn't even read the thread imho.
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On February 10 2016 06:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:44 Rels wrote:
Meh I see what everything is saying in VA's filter. The thing is, he voted Palmar, his GF if he's scum. With minimal explanation too, and Palmar was lynched until the last second. He could have switched anytime if he wanted to.
The thing I don't like the most about him is the named VT plan, it's (1) bad and (2) he changed his story about it. But him voting Palmar is much stronger than that. on the other hand, VA would be 100% dead at this point if he had switched off late in the day.
why is that? I switched off late in the day, and so did (afaik) others.
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also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?
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NM, what do you think about Moosy?
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still, he wouldn't have been lynched over palmar, so technically he'd be alive now
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Hahaha :D I obviously rock!
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but Rels
what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that?
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On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago.
I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too.
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On February 10 2016 06:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote:
but Rels
what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? Shut up
Calm down, eh?
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On February 10 2016 06:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote:On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago. I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too. what are you talking about????
I said some time ago that we have a bad vig. Rels told me there's a scum vig role in the game. Now I say again maybe there's a bad vig in. This time with the realization that we have poe dameron, a vig role for town, in.
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