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So.
The post that explains why I am town and you should not vote me
"you" being Kaenu
1. I pushed Vlad hardcore and was the main reason he got lynched
The end.
I'm only half kidding 'cause that is a strong point. If I was scum, with all the targets I had at my disposal when I replaced (namely Garga and Wartruk), I somehow decided to hard push my partner and constatly ask people about why they were townreading him. I have very, very serious doubts he was going to be lynched without me pushing for it. Kush did a case on him and was the only one scumreading Vlad before me; town!Garga thought he was town and didn't bother consolidating, you were townreading him for "feel", his partner Wartruk had waffly opinion about him.
There is NO good reason as to why I bused my partner right off the bat, and aggressivly pushed him to his death. He wasn't under any strong pressure, and with my activity in a kinda inactive game I could have lynched anyone else, first of them Wartruk. This is even stronger if I remind that it was MYLO, so a mislynch meant the victory at 99% since kush was very, very likely the prot N1.
Gonna put that reason in its own post actually since it should be enough. Bunch of other reasons to follow.
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2. N3 as scum I would have shot Wartruk
It was very unlikely that you protect anyone but yourself, and if you protected someone it felt like it would have been me. As scum I would have shot Wartruk for the immediate victory. Since it was a little more likely that you protect me than Wartruk, you being shot indicates Wartruk as scum.
Now apparently it's false since you RNG'd your protection. Fine. I'm not talking about the facts, I'm talking about the thread feel, and even Wartruk thought there were 0% chance you would protect him:
On February 19 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote:
I got a pm saying I'm town. I totally fucked the dog all game and don't really feel bad about it but the only scum-aligned thing I've done is push for garg's lynch. Robels played for the endgame and honestly deserves this win.
Seems like a slow-roll though why not just put KP on me? There's like 0% you were saving me right?
TLDR As scum, I would have shot Wartruk. Since scum shot you, I'm not scum.
3. My involment
Almost all of my posts are targeted on scumhunting, barring a few jokes and smurf hunt here and there. I pushed the game forward, had a scum lynched the day I replaced in, read filters, reread the game ... I didn't overhelm the game with my activity either, I only posted when I had something to say. I looked for scum and explain why I thought XX was town and YY was scum. I pushed for my scumreads instead of just stating them then passivly waiting for the game to unfold. Talking about that ...
4. My attitude regarding scumhunting
I made the thread react with my scumhunt, and I also reacted to the thread. This is something that scums, who are always thinking about endgame, has a very hard time to do. Scums tend to have more static reads. Examples of me reevaluating after something happened:
- Kaenu's complicated reason as to why I was scumreading him made me think he was town
- Wartruk talking to you agreeing my posts were bad when before he talked to me and said Vlad's posts were bad made me think he was scum
- Wartruk being super tenacious about his story of "I didn't read Vlad's filter but my read changed anyway" made me think he was town
- Me being unsure about the lynch made me push for a no lynch
- Me being unsure about the lynch made me push for doc claim
- Me rereading the game made me sure that Garga was scum
5. My attitude in MYLO
In MYLO / LYLO, it's a rule of thumb that townies starts to doubt everyone, while scums try to push their mislynch from the beginning. It's not always true in one sense 'cause scums can act townie and show fake doubts; but the inverse is not true, a townie will very often be doubtful about his reads and questioning them. This is an euristhic so like all euristhic, it is not 100% true, but it is true often enough to think about it.
At the beginning of N3 I thought Wartruk was scum but I wasn't sure. So I pushed him on my suspicions; I made a trap for Kaenu counterclaiming Garga if Garga claimed doc; and I reread the game to make up my mind. These are all fakable but townie things, and Wartruk didn't do them.
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On February 13 2016 12:31 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 11:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I think garg is more likely the second scum. Maybe this is a little nitpicky but the way you word this is makes me think you believe vald is scum and that the second scum could be either robik or garg with garg as a more likely scenario. If this is what you mean, why would robik be on the table at all? He's busing this hard for the cred in mylo just to set up a mislynch later on keanu?
Yeah! This man speaks the truth, probably town. Let me look at his name ...
Oh wait p:
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Why Wartruk is scum
Honestly I have a hard time being objective since I'm seeing scum motivation in every single post of his now that I know he's scum ... I'm mostly gonna state things I was scumreading him before N3, so it's not biaised.
1. Wartruk reads Vlad's filter, but actually doens't read it, but changes his opinion on him anyway
This still makes no sense. Wartruk's stuborness convinced me later it was just a dumb townie mistake, but I shouldn't have rest on that. Here is what I'm talking about:
On February 13 2016 09:07 Wartrukk wrote:
I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak
11 minutes later:
On February 13 2016 09:18 Wartrukk wrote:
I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read. robik do you think valdiano is the most likely scum now or is your top scummer still keanu?
So Wartruk says he's gonna read Vlad's filter, and 11 minutes later agrees with the scumread. His previous opinion of Vlad was "town", so something must have happened to make him changed his mind right ?
Nope.
On February 16 2016 07:27 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 07:26 Wartrukk wrote:On February 16 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 15 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote:On February 15 2016 07:55 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 15 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:On February 15 2016 07:51 keanuisgod wrote:
What do you think Valdi will flip right now?
Tell us ALL your thoughts about Valdi, before he flips and this will be invalid Off the top of my head 'he posted a few times day 1 and I liked the posts at the time' I'll have a gander at his filter if you want but if you think I'm scum I don't see the point since I would just use TMI and make a case calling him his true alignment Don't remember doing this already ? On February 13 2016 09:07 Wartrukk wrote:
I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak On February 13 2016 09:18 Wartrukk wrote:
I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read. robik do you think valdiano is the most likely scum now or is your top scummer still keanu? Never did it Why did you say "I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read." if you didn't read his filter ? What do you mean? You posted: Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 09:07 Wartrukk wrote:
I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak Then: Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 09:18 Wartrukk wrote:
I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read. robik do you think valdiano is the most likely scum now or is your top scummer still keanu? Did you read Vlad's filter between these two posts ?
On February 16 2016 07:29 Wartrukk wrote:
Nope
If you wanna read the entire exchange, it starts with this post.
So Wartruk:
1 - townreads Vlad
2 - sees Vlad is getting some pressure and states he will read his filter
3 - DO NOTHING
4 - 11 minutes later, having done nothinig, states he agrees with Vlad being scummy
This does not make sense for a townie. This makes sense for scum who had decided to change his read on Vlad, didn't read his filter, then said it. In one word, this read is fabricated.
2. Wartruk changes his opinions to match those of the guy he's talking to
Sequence of quotes:
On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice.
On February 13 2016 09:18 Wartrukk wrote:
I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read. robik do you think valdiano is the most likely scum now or is your top scummer still keanu?
On February 14 2016 07:57 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why. On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter I first had a scumread for this post. On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls
either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire
##Vote 77Goldrom Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points. On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.
in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care. Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML. + Having strong opinions in his few posts. Not confirmed town but likely IMO. Oh yeah I remember thinking this made sense at the time but this is actually such a bullshit reason. "Having strong opinions" and "taking a firm stance" but these things are backed up by nothing in garg's filter, it's like robik just grabbed a couple posts that sound good and called garg town. + Show Spoiler +also "Not confirmed town but likely IMO." Is some weird language to use for some random posts
On February 16 2016 07:46 Wartrukk wrote:
Still kinda think you're scum so that makes sense[Talking about me here]
On February 16 2016 07:56 keanuisgod wrote:
What about Gargy Warty? Post your exact thoughts right now about him, considering that apparently you are shifting into "robik scum" right now
On February 16 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm probably just omgusing because of how hard robik is pushing but garga has been afk all night phase and since I'm the one you nerds are mad at and he was pushing me all day yesterday he's probably who I will end up voting if robik gets off my sack
inb4 I'm just agreeing with whoever is talking at the time
Last sentence of the last quote: stating scummy things you're doing doesn't make them less scummy.
So. That was the two things I was scumreading Wartruk for during D2/N2. Reading his filter here are a few others:
3. Wartruk does not have in depth reads on anyone
His reads are mostly one-line explanation. There are not in depth, and that is symptomatic of fabricated reads that scums have to make since they know they're lying. One big exception is the fight with kush at the beginning of the game over scumhunting, which was a big reason of my initial townread actually; but other than that there is not much depth in Wartruk's reads.
Examples:
On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night.
On February 13 2016 08:13 Wartrukk wrote:
Wifoming the night kill to implicate (but not really implicate) the towny who said he has little time to play.
In MYLO.
HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked
On February 13 2016 09:18 Wartrukk wrote:
I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read. robik do you think valdiano is the most likely scum now or is your top scummer still keanu?
On February 14 2016 07:57 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why. On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter I first had a scumread for this post. On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls
either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire
##Vote 77Goldrom Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points. On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.
in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care. Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML. + Having strong opinions in his few posts. Not confirmed town but likely IMO. Oh yeah I remember thinking this made sense at the time but this is actually such a bullshit reason. "Having strong opinions" and "taking a firm stance" but these things are backed up by nothing in garg's filter, it's like robik just grabbed a couple posts that sound good and called garg town. + Show Spoiler +also "Not confirmed town but likely IMO." Is some weird language to use for some random posts
4. His attitude in general and in particular in MYLO D3
His attitude this game has been "I don't care" since almost the beginning. It's hard to differentiate town not caring from scum not caring, which BTW makes this attitude a perfect one for scum. This points him as scum if compared to my attitude of wanting to solve the game, but not very much I have to admit.
But his attitude during MYLO was super scum indicative. He was fixed on Garga being scum since the beginning, and ... did nothing. No tinfoil, no reread, no nothing. This is scum indicative since, as state before, town WILL doubt their reads at MYLO / LYLO. ESPECIALLY after being wrong, as Wartruk was with his Kaenu / Garga scumread. But nope, immediately after I stopped attacking him on the "didn't read Vlad's filter" stuff, he said "Garga is scum" and never moved from it.
Here are posts from him since the beginning of D3 (first one is 2 minutes before D3):
On February 16 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm probably just omgusing because of how hard robik is pushing but garga has been afk all night phase and since I'm the one you nerds are mad at and he was pushing me all day yesterday he's probably who I will end up voting if robik gets off my sack
inb4 I'm just agreeing with whoever is talking at the time
On February 16 2016 08:28 Wartrukk wrote:
Fuck it I'ma wifom the nk
nnn was the only one calling me town until a short time before deadline. The only one who wasn't here before deadline is garga.
That's all I really got but it makes sense to me
On February 16 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote:
So I'm gonna place a vote on garga because I'm 90% sure he's the game winning lynch but if you two want a nl you just have to not vote with me.
I'll be back throughout the dayphase.
On February 17 2016 10:52 Wartrukk wrote:
I guess I'll read that big ass case
On February 17 2016 11:03 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote:Garga is the last scum and here is why. The main reason: Vlad's interactionsHere is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote:
overall on the part of lynching lurkers, going to hunt for scum first, or discuss things that look questionable before falling back on a lurker, generally how I roll.
if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation.
garg is okay to me. Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 12:01 keanuisgod wrote:
Considering NNN's recent attempts at smurf-hunting it does seem like it won't produce many useful results, thus allowing scum to smurfhunt on their own in their QT, but confusing the heck out of town (and most likely NNN if he acts on said "smurf reads") Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 13:56 keanuisgod wrote:
Right now 5 players (including you) haven't made posts of significance. I feel like it wouldn't be a stretch for 1 or both scum to be in that group.
Of the remaining three that were (somewhat) actively posting (NNN, Warty and saita), for now their conversations felt like regular D1 banter, though some things they did/said can be taken notice for later in the day (to see how they follow up with them). Being active right off the bat in D1 is a plus too, at least if that motivation/activity is followed up in the rest of the game (another thing to take notice of).
And then there's me, a poor little townie trying to make a living in this new smurf world. so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:WartrukkOn February 10 2016 21:11 Wartrukk wrote:On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"
Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide. I'm checking the thread before I go to bed but one more time, we can't know the identities of anyone for sure it only creates wifom For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog. Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town. On February 10 2016 11:50 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm going to take a break I think I'm tunneled on the smurf hunting idea too hard. I'm not taking back what I said as I still think there is a clear mafia motivation for it but I can't articulate them properly it seems I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum? I guess if meta reads are all you are confident in making then a 99% smurf read is fine I just don't think it's 100% even if you truly believe you are the smurf detective. I used the word tunneled because I was tunneled on the idea that smurf huntingis super scummy and since you seemed, in my eyes, to be fighting me for no real reason. I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night. another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on himOn February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote:
wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai)
The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative.
if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 23:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Unfortunately, it smacks a bit townie.
Also no I don't expect much alignment indication in the start of the game. Hence, so much stuff is NAI.
Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 00:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:On February 11 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So is it correct to assume you have the same read on both Wartruck and myself: bad players who are leaning townie?
And your definition of omgus is what? And we are leaning town because of the omgusing itself or because we omgused in a townie way? That assumption is not correct. You are players who have done a bad play that is more often town than scum in alignment indication. My definition of omgus is reading a player as scum simply because they read you as scum.Neither of you has progressed from null. this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote:
if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. The secondary reasons1. The activity and lack of excuse for AFKGarga's activity is indicative of scum; no posts during long stretches of time where scum has no interest posting. He has 1 post N1 and 2 posts N2, and nights are periods where scum doesn't feel the need to post. Furthermore, these AFK periods are not explained. This is scum indicative, as townie are waaaaay more likely to explain WHY they weren't there for some time than scum, like Wartruk did for example. Again, that seems dumb but it is true. It was true for Vlad, it is true for Garga. Lastly, he seems to have given up right now, which is a scum indicator, especially right after a scum lynch. 2. No interest in the lynchGarga and Vlad were the two players not posting the hour before deadline on both D1 and D2. Gold did it too but he clearly gave up the game, and probably would have been replaced if not lynched. If Wartruk was not around the D2 deadline, we would not even have been able to lynch Vlad. 3. His read on VladOn February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote:im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though. the player is town  On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..
valdiano is hts and town imo. That's it. No comment on any of the two cases made on him. So who is the last scum ?Garga I would add the mindless shit flinging toward me where he doesn't even know what he's calling me scum for before he posts Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 00:13 GargamelxD wrote:On February 14 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Gargamel i don't like how you are using very loose smurf hunting for reads.
Wartrukks incompatibility: um between those two posts both those players died. You think he should have scum reads on flipped townies? he also said the rom wagon looked like shit, was that after his flip`? which was posted after he posts this: Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked incompatibility detected Which means he read my filter but never looked at any posts in context. He obviously didn't read the end of day in order either. He was looking for reasons to scumread me before he read the thread.
On February 18 2016 03:33 Wartrukk wrote:
I feel like there's not much for me to say here as garg digs himself a nice cozy hole but hi rels
This is scum wanting to mislynch at MYLO and doing their best to not derail it with unecessary tinfoil on Kaenu or me.
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Why Wartruk is scum part 2: most dead players scumread him
Saitaman was scumreading him. Last post about him:
On February 13 2016 04:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
And frankly I am tracking with this line of thought kush, but I think wartrukk is scum. And that's a read.
I value my reads.
kush was more waffly but was scumreading him before dying. Last post about him:
On February 16 2016 02:37 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's not that they're dumb. They're just low effort.
I'm getting more and more sure of Warty being scum. I realized the reasons why I was townreading him weren't good.
I'll be content to lynch him tomorrow.
Garga, being pushed hardcore by me, was scumreading hjim before dying. Last posts about him:
On February 18 2016 02:25 GargamelxD wrote:
So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play.
And with this, since I figure you will never ever believe I am town, lynch me, good luck with the save (its a 50 50) and then lynch warty.
On February 18 2016 03:04 GargamelxD wrote:
im on phone, so ill be brief. i townread robik for some of his questioning of warty earlier on, and a few other posts that just seemed like he was genuinely pointung out stuff that did t make sense. call it feqr mongering but its just facts, qfter my lynch u kill warty if town survives the night
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Alright over (= gonna grab some lunch now.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER.
I DID ALL THAT NOW BECAUSE I M LEAVING FOR SKI VACATION TONIGHT. THAT MEANS THAT THE NEXT TIME I WILL BE ABLE TO POST IN THE THREAD AFTER TONIGHT ARE:
1. IN AROUND
2. AROUND 1 HOUR BEFORE DEADLINE IN AROUND .
AND THAT IS ONLY IF I HAVE NETWORK, CAUSE WE ARE KIND OF LOST IN THE WOOD. ITS POSSIBLE I CANNOT CONNECT TO ANYTHING AT ALL UNTIL TUESDAY.
I WILL BE SKIING SO I WILL BE TOTALLY AFK DURING THE AROUND 22 HOURS THAT ARE BETWEEN THESE TWO TIMESTAMPS. THAT IS WHY I MADE THESE BIG POSTS NOW. KAENU ANY QUESTION, MAKE SURE THEY ARE ASKED BEFORE TIME NUMBER 1 IF YOU WANT AN ANSWER BEFORE DEADLINE. THAT IS, IF I HAVE NETWORK p:
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All the infos are there anyway, if you vote me you are the worst player that has ever played, and reading your cases D3 I do not have this impression at all.
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On February 19 2016 22:04 keanuisgod wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 19:32 Iwasrobik wrote:2. N3 as scum I would have shot WartrukIt was very unlikely that you protect anyone but yourself, and if you protected someone it felt like it would have been me. As scum I would have shot Wartruk for the immediate victory. Since it was a little more likely that you protect me than Wartruk, you being shot indicates Wartruk as scum. Now apparently it's false since you RNG'd your protection. Fine. I'm not talking about the facts, I'm talking about the thread feel, and even Wartruk thought there were 0% chance you would protect him: On February 19 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote:
I got a pm saying I'm town. I totally fucked the dog all game and don't really feel bad about it but the only scum-aligned thing I've done is push for garg's lynch. Robels played for the endgame and honestly deserves this win.
Seems like a slow-roll though why not just put KP on me? There's like 0% you were saving me right? TLDR As scum, I would have shot Wartruk. Since scum shot you, I'm not scum. If you had shotted Warty, and I had saved him (remember I RNGed, could possible have happened), then you would have lost 100%. By shooting me, you would either win 66% of the time (when I prot someone else), or this exact scenario happens, where you FOS Warty and convince me to lynch him. Would the safest option, for a scum robik, actually be shooting me? Either day continues as normal, trying to lynch the "easy ML" Warty, or straight up win if I fuck up?
There was 0% you protected Wartruk, at least in my mind, so it doesn't matter that I lose 100% if you protect him.
On February 19 2016 22:04 keanuisgod wrote:Also, Warty even says it here: Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 08:04 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow it was robik the whole time fuck even if you save I can't win that f3 gg Why wouldn't scum Warty shoot you robik? He's making no effort to win the game right now. If he's scum, and he knows "I'd likely prot myself", what's the motivation for shooting me, and after it fails do nothing whatsoever to try and save himself? Wouldn't it make more sense to shoot you, and have the chance of the shot going through (again "likely" in your mind)? Why didn't Warty shoot you robik? Tell me, tell me robik, why didn't he shoot you? Tell me
No idea! He should have. I thought you were protecting me though 'cause I thought he was shooting me, so I suppose he thought the same.
On February 19 2016 22:04 keanuisgod wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 20:25 Iwasrobik wrote:
All the infos are there anyway, if you vote me you are the worst player that has ever played, and reading your cases D3 I do not have this impression at all. Why this fearmongering though?
I'm only stating the fact. I'm very readable 'cause I care about the game. Wartruk is not readable 'cause he's hiding behind this "I don't care" attitude. If you lynch me you are terrible. The end. (=
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On February 19 2016 22:07 keanuisgod wrote:
So, I'm having trouble differentiating a "try-hard" scum robik and an apathetic town Warty, from the "apparently obvious" choice of robik town and Warty scum.
Weren't people suspicious on me solely because they thought I was Shapelog and he had "played an amazing scum game" recently?
What if robik is a Shapelog-fellow with an amazing scum game instead?
I can't pinpoint scummy things about robik, but what if he's an amazing scum riding this to victory with all his might?
You cannot think at the same time"ROBIK IS BEING AMAZING TRYHARD SCUM" and "ROBIK WAS THE MAIN FORCE BEHIND VLAD'S LYNCH". It doesn't compute!
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On February 19 2016 22:08 keanuisgod wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:40 keanuisgod wrote:
That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. I reread stuff like this and it makes sense to me, which makes this so much harder ;_; Warty was the sole deciding factor in Valdi's lynch
No.
KUSH AND I created the Vald's lynch. Wartruk was the deciding vote, but if both of kush nor I created the wagon there would be no Vlad's lynch.
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In Dark Tournament scum!disformation was the deciding vote on scum!FF lynch D3. He was scum anyway.
This was an even bigger deal actually 'cause here, if there was no Wartruk vote, we would have gone from MYLO to LYLO. In DT, disfo's vote changed the lynch from townie to scum. But he was scum anyway.
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Kaenu starting in 3 hours I won't be there to yell at you to vote Wartruk. I've written everything I thought though so my absence doesn't mean you don't have the info; but I won't be there to get you out of tinfoil.
Your doubts are understable and normal for MYLO. BUT what you're saying doesn't make sense. There is no "hyperactive scum" vs "apathetic town". I care for the game, I was the main force moving this game forward despite not playing D1, so I am very readable: and you just stated yuo cuoldn't find anything scumlmy on me. The conclusion is that I'm town. Wartruk is playing the "I don't care" card, which makes him way harder to read: but he has scummy things in his filter anyway. The conclusion is that he's scum.
If you need more, I've written the reasons as to why I'm town and he's scum.
If you need even more, almost every dead player scumread Wartruk.
You will be the deciding vote so I hope you make the right choice.
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On February 19 2016 22:20 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 22:07 keanuisgod wrote:
So, I'm having trouble differentiating a "try-hard" scum robik and an apathetic town Warty, from the "apparently obvious" choice of robik town and Warty scum.
Weren't people suspicious on me solely because they thought I was Shapelog and he had "played an amazing scum game" recently?
What if robik is a Shapelog-fellow with an amazing scum game instead?
I can't pinpoint scummy things about robik, but what if he's an amazing scum riding this to victory with all his might? You cannot think at the same time"ROBIK IS BEING AMAZING TRYHARD SCUM" and "ROBIK WAS THE MAIN FORCE BEHIND VLAD'S LYNCH". It doesn't compute!
This alone should be enough though. The rest is only additional stuff.
I cannot be (1) amazing scum and (2) failing to lynch Wartruk or Garga in D2 MYLO at the same time.
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yo kaenu I still have 1 hour before shutting down. Come talk if you're around!
And please fucking read all my posts if you've ever close to voting me. I'm town, Wartruk is scum. I can't be scum because a bunch of reasons, most importantly because I can't be both SUPER SCUM and hardpushing my partner. Wartruk is scum for a bunch of reasons, most importantly because we let him hide behind a "I don't care" attitude and because he was OK with Garga being lynched from beginning to end in MYLO without tinfoil. And additionally because almost every dead townie scumread him, saitama, kush, Garga.
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wow Slam is saitama ??? He smurffailed in the tabletop thread, followed immediately by a Slam post. Slam if that's really the case I am super impressed by your play (=
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On February 19 2016 19:14 Iwasrobik wrote:
So.
The post that explains why I am town and you should not vote me
"you" being Kaenu
1. I pushed Vlad hardcore and was the main reason he got lynched
The end.
I'm only half kidding 'cause that is a strong point. If I was scum, with all the targets I had at my disposal when I replaced (namely Garga and Wartruk), I somehow decided to hard push my partner and constatly ask people about why they were townreading him. I have very, very serious doubts he was going to be lynched without me pushing for it. Kush did a case on him and was the only one scumreading Vlad before me; town!Garga thought he was town and didn't bother consolidating, you were townreading him for "feel", his partner Wartruk had waffly opinion about him.
There is NO good reason as to why I bused my partner right off the bat, and aggressivly pushed him to his death. He wasn't under any strong pressure, and with my activity in a kinda inactive game I could have lynched anyone else, first of them Wartruk. This is even stronger if I remind that it was MYLO, so a mislynch meant the victory at 99% since kush was very, very likely the prot N1.
Gonna put that reason in its own post actually since it should be enough. Bunch of other reasons to follow.
On February 19 2016 20:12 Iwasrobik wrote:4. His attitude in general and in particular in MYLO D3His attitude this game has been "I don't care" since almost the beginning. It's hard to differentiate town not caring from scum not caring, which BTW makes this attitude a perfect one for scum. This points him as scum if compared to my attitude of wanting to solve the game, but not very much I have to admit. But his attitude during MYLO was super scum indicative. He was fixed on Garga being scum since the beginning, and ... did nothing. No tinfoil, no reread, no nothing. This is scum indicative since, as state before, town WILL doubt their reads at MYLO / LYLO. ESPECIALLY after being wrong, as Wartruk was with his Kaenu / Garga scumread. But nope, immediately after I stopped attacking him on the "didn't read Vlad's filter" stuff, he said "Garga is scum" and never moved from it. Here are posts from him since the beginning of D3 (first one is 2 minutes before D3): Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm probably just omgusing because of how hard robik is pushing but garga has been afk all night phase and since I'm the one you nerds are mad at and he was pushing me all day yesterday he's probably who I will end up voting if robik gets off my sack
inb4 I'm just agreeing with whoever is talking at the time Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:28 Wartrukk wrote:
Fuck it I'ma wifom the nk
nnn was the only one calling me town until a short time before deadline. The only one who wasn't here before deadline is garga.
That's all I really got but it makes sense to me Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote:
So I'm gonna place a vote on garga because I'm 90% sure he's the game winning lynch but if you two want a nl you just have to not vote with me.
I'll be back throughout the dayphase. Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 10:52 Wartrukk wrote:
I guess I'll read that big ass case Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 11:03 Wartrukk wrote:On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote:Garga is the last scum and here is why. The main reason: Vlad's interactionsHere is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote:
overall on the part of lynching lurkers, going to hunt for scum first, or discuss things that look questionable before falling back on a lurker, generally how I roll.
if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation.
garg is okay to me. Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 12:01 keanuisgod wrote:
Considering NNN's recent attempts at smurf-hunting it does seem like it won't produce many useful results, thus allowing scum to smurfhunt on their own in their QT, but confusing the heck out of town (and most likely NNN if he acts on said "smurf reads") Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 13:56 keanuisgod wrote:
Right now 5 players (including you) haven't made posts of significance. I feel like it wouldn't be a stretch for 1 or both scum to be in that group.
Of the remaining three that were (somewhat) actively posting (NNN, Warty and saita), for now their conversations felt like regular D1 banter, though some things they did/said can be taken notice for later in the day (to see how they follow up with them). Being active right off the bat in D1 is a plus too, at least if that motivation/activity is followed up in the rest of the game (another thing to take notice of).
And then there's me, a poor little townie trying to make a living in this new smurf world. so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:WartrukkOn February 10 2016 21:11 Wartrukk wrote:On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"
Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide. I'm checking the thread before I go to bed but one more time, we can't know the identities of anyone for sure it only creates wifom For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog. Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town. On February 10 2016 11:50 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm going to take a break I think I'm tunneled on the smurf hunting idea too hard. I'm not taking back what I said as I still think there is a clear mafia motivation for it but I can't articulate them properly it seems I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum? I guess if meta reads are all you are confident in making then a 99% smurf read is fine I just don't think it's 100% even if you truly believe you are the smurf detective. I used the word tunneled because I was tunneled on the idea that smurf huntingis super scummy and since you seemed, in my eyes, to be fighting me for no real reason. I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night. another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on himOn February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote:
wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai)
The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative.
if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler +Questions / interactions with himOn February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 23:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Unfortunately, it smacks a bit townie.
Also no I don't expect much alignment indication in the start of the game. Hence, so much stuff is NAI.
Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 00:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:On February 11 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So is it correct to assume you have the same read on both Wartruck and myself: bad players who are leaning townie?
And your definition of omgus is what? And we are leaning town because of the omgusing itself or because we omgused in a townie way? That assumption is not correct. You are players who have done a bad play that is more often town than scum in alignment indication. My definition of omgus is reading a player as scum simply because they read you as scum.Neither of you has progressed from null. this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote:
if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. The secondary reasons1. The activity and lack of excuse for AFKGarga's activity is indicative of scum; no posts during long stretches of time where scum has no interest posting. He has 1 post N1 and 2 posts N2, and nights are periods where scum doesn't feel the need to post. Furthermore, these AFK periods are not explained. This is scum indicative, as townie are waaaaay more likely to explain WHY they weren't there for some time than scum, like Wartruk did for example. Again, that seems dumb but it is true. It was true for Vlad, it is true for Garga. Lastly, he seems to have given up right now, which is a scum indicator, especially right after a scum lynch. 2. No interest in the lynchGarga and Vlad were the two players not posting the hour before deadline on both D1 and D2. Gold did it too but he clearly gave up the game, and probably would have been replaced if not lynched. If Wartruk was not around the D2 deadline, we would not even have been able to lynch Vlad. 3. His read on VladOn February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote:im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though. the player is town On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..
valdiano is hts and town imo. That's it. No comment on any of the two cases made on him. So who is the last scum ?Garga I would add the mindless shit flinging toward me where he doesn't even know what he's calling me scum for before he posts On February 14 2016 00:13 GargamelxD wrote:On February 14 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Gargamel i don't like how you are using very loose smurf hunting for reads.
Wartrukks incompatibility: um between those two posts both those players died. You think he should have scum reads on flipped townies? he also said the rom wagon looked like shit, was that after his flip`? which was posted after he posts this: On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked incompatibility detected Which means he read my filter but never looked at any posts in context. He obviously didn't read the end of day in order either. He was looking for reasons to scumread me before he read the thread. Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 03:33 Wartrukk wrote:
I feel like there's not much for me to say here as garg digs himself a nice cozy hole but hi rels This is scum wanting to mislynch at MYLO and doing their best to not derail it with unecessary tinfoil on Kaenu or me.
On February 19 2016 20:18 Iwasrobik wrote:Why Wartruk is scum part 2: most dead players scumread himSaitaman was scumreading him. Last post about him: Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 04:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
And frankly I am tracking with this line of thought kush, but I think wartrukk is scum. And that's a read.
I value my reads. kush was more waffly but was scumreading him before dying. Last post about him: Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 02:37 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's not that they're dumb. They're just low effort.
I'm getting more and more sure of Warty being scum. I realized the reasons why I was townreading him weren't good.
I'll be content to lynch him tomorrow. Garga, being pushed hardcore by me, was scumreading hjim before dying. Last posts about him: Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 02:25 GargamelxD wrote:
So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play.
And with this, since I figure you will never ever believe I am town, lynch me, good luck with the save (its a 50 50) and then lynch warty. Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 03:04 GargamelxD wrote:
im on phone, so ill be brief. i townread robik for some of his questioning of warty earlier on, and a few other posts that just seemed like he was genuinely pointung out stuff that did t make sense. call it feqr mongering but its just facts, qfter my lynch u kill warty if town survives the night
On February 19 2016 22:29 Iwasrobik wrote:In Dark Tournament scum!disformation was the deciding vote on scum!FF lynch D3. He was scum anyway. This was an even bigger deal actually 'cause here, if there was no Wartruk vote, we would have gone from MYLO to LYLO. In DT, disfo's vote changed the lynch from townie to scum. But he was scum anyway.
Alright I'm gone. See you later (=
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Looooool obvious troll is obvious :D
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No ? Scared ? Alright I understand ...
Gonna sleep soon, so see you around deadline cause I'm not checking the thread until then. Maybe I'll check it in the morning but if that's the case that will be very fast :p
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