EPTThis also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense.
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Eden1892
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This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:11 Onegu wrote: Links I only use the database Stop being lazy mr "tryhard" | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:16 Onegu wrote: If you have a actual counter to my point on meta then post the links so people can see them. Nah fuck you, burden of proof is on you to prove that I'm contradicting relevant meta and you haven't proven shit. Multiple people in this game were in the only relevant sample (Unoriginal Mini) and have already vouched for me. Which you'd know if you read the game or did anything besides yell at people to stop trying to be productive in their own ways. | ||
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But not this scummy fraud. You do your own work | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:24 Onegu wrote: Also what is the point when they are doing things that will lead to wrong conclusions... You don't know that. People approach mafia in a lot of different ways. Maybe some people find doing VCA during night 1 useful. I know I did when we ran a train on the scumteam in Unoriginal Mini (with apologies to darth and kush). We cleared several people off of it. Obviously it's different when we catch scum d1, but it's still potentially very useful. Just because you don't think it is doesn't mean it never can be. Besides, even if it would lead them to wrong conclusions, we can still townread them for their efforts even if they're wrong. That's the core of what bothers me with your attitude this game. I feel like I could easily have gotten to the townreads that I did earlier if you would have just shut the fuck up and let the newbies do their thing. Yeah maybe they end up suspecting people who flip town. So what? They put out the effort that proves they're town in the process of doing it. Then the veteran town players can use that and solve the game, and show the newbies how it goes -- how their efforts got them townread, how their ideas weren't on the right track, and how the game got solved as a result. But no, we can't do that, because The Almighty Onegu has decreed that every method, every process that could be used to find scum, that TAO himself has not yet personally used to success as town, is bad and unusable. TAO of course proceeds to do jack shit for the entire game to make up for derailing others' attempts (however flawed they might have been) to solve the game. You are scum. | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 30 2016 05:27 Onegu wrote: FYI there wasnt going to be a troll onegu this game but eden is bringing him out... Lol ok. You were about as far away from "tryhard" as can be. Now you're going to excuse yourself from living up to your own not-even-lofty, but apparently still too high, standards. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:26 Onegu wrote: His first scum read on me. Then the follow up now. And now I dont think the meta argument is broken completely. Literal actual OMGUS + a horrible, demonstrably false meta argument. Do you even have other reads? Trfel is now null, great. Non-read. What else? Preferably something actually meaningful. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:48 Trfel wrote: Eden1892, do you really think that Onegu would push you here as mafia? I kind of feel like Onegu, as mafia, wouldn't do something irrational like this or push "wildly". I don't feel like you're an easy target for mafia to push, so I'm not sure what Onegu's aim as mafia would be. It's not smart for him to do that as mafia, but he's apparently elected to try, so I'm going to punish his mistake accordingly. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:52 Trfel wrote: I mean, I see why the rest of his play is mafia motivated and why it might come from mafia. I'm just having trouble with this part... Onegu is a cocky shit who thinks he's better than me. Easy. He told us that himself earlier in the game. I admit that it's possible that I'm not being objective about it, because I really want to take him down a peg for being a dick this game, but I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. | ||
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On January 30 2016 02:50 Eden1892 wrote: Possible he just saw that it did him no favors to state his reads so passively and gave us the same thing with more definition. Or that he read new material and became more confident in his results. idk. I don't think I would lynch Ikidomari at this point. The new reads list really cleaned up a lot of issues I had, but it didn't seem forced or anything. Also liked the discussion with noon. I think I would not lynch these people at this point: PepperMintTea Alur darthfoley Ikidomari _MexicanAlien Shapelog I would consider lynching these people, but would need a good reason: nooniansoong And I think these people are good lynches right now: Tumblewood JesusIncarnate Trfel Onegu Notably, I would not lynch Trfel and Onegu, and think Trfel would be a better lynch than Onegu. Onegu wasn't doing much to be very "try-hard" or useful before his oog circumstances took over, and those two can't be mafia together. noon hasn't really done all that much lately and it's starting to bother me a bit. he's still probably town, but I moved him out of my 'unlynchable' pile. Updating at EON: Don't lynch: PMT Alur foley Iki Mex Shape Don't lynch without good reason: noonkush Trfel Get these guys: Onegu Onegu Onegu Jesus Onegu Onegu Tumblewood Onegu | ||
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Unless they shot Alur. In which case fuck you dude. But probably God bless you | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:02 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm so i'm vigi. Shot Onegu. Feel free to cc me motherfuckers. Also fuck Thank You Based God I would have probably not claimed this, fwiw, unless the info mattered. | ||
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I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though. Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around: 1. the vig (of course) 2. the veteran 3. the doctor It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though. But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone? Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me. 1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me. 2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe. 3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting. That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it. And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran. So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low... but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush? That leaves me with four possible explanations: 1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible. 2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him. 3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc. 4. kush is fakeclaiming rb. (*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?) So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush. I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus. | ||
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JesusIncarnate Tumblewood Ikidomari Especially Jesus, as kush had a quality want to lynch Jesus all game, but Tumblewood and Ikidomari were both in his lists from braglists 1.1 onward. Think it's gotta be Jesus or Tumblewood. I also just don't think kush is mafia, fakeclaiming rb'd doesn't do anything. | ||
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I think I get you on Trfel but if the rb incriminates Jesus then I don't really know why we wouldn't kill him. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote: we can, but killing trfel would be funner. You're not wrong and I AM about the fun. I'll think about it. Got FNM coming up. | ||
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