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On January 21 2016 03:47 Superbia wrote:
Maybe give rels Werner Von Braun because I don't want that in the hands of mafia. Then palmar can be moriarty.
Was thinking about taking Malcolm Reynolds, as he's an awesome doctor for both scum and town. So we deny that pick from scum, and I can heal several high profile town / confirmed town several nights in a row
Kinda agree Werner is cool though. geript maybe ?
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On January 21 2016 04:05 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure Palmar's scum the more he posts.
Why ?
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On January 21 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 04:05 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure Palmar's scum the more he posts. Why ?
Just the mix of his reads and how he reacts. Like Keir is fucking obvious town. PalmAr's kinda being super cautious around calling people that are obvious town town. Instead he's almost pulling shitty reasons out of mid air to scumread people. He's focusing on this plan (which is NAI) but he's not really doing anything effective with it. Like Superbia's kinda run off with that. It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why.
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On January 21 2016 04:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Hmm... would actually be really glad to take Watson instead of the traditional doctor. Saves me the trouble of figuring out if I am paranoid/weak/normal.  Can I can I can I? :D Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 11:14 Breshke wrote:
So I am suggesting that i should pick Dr. John Watson
I'm happy to pick a protective role which this is and as I am not a high priority NK I will be able to confirm sherlock and moriartys checks.
Discuss Seems like Watson is already taken. =/
Wait. How did you find out ?
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im kind of sick ill just do whatever im told like a good boy
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On January 21 2016 04:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:On January 21 2016 04:05 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure Palmar's scum the more he posts. Why ? Just the mix of his reads and how he reacts. Like Keir is fucking obvious town. PalmAr's kinda being super cautious around calling people that are obvious town town. Instead he's almost pulling shitty reasons out of mid air to scumread people. He's focusing on this plan (which is NAI) but he's not really doing anything effective with it. Like Superbia's kinda run off with that. It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why.
I have the same reaction that you have concerning Kei. I don't understand Palmar's scumread. But I don't think it makes Palmar scum, as he could just townread Kei like a lot of other people, especially since he's number 1 pick and will get what he wants anyway.
I don't agree with the plan being NAI. If Palmar wanted to lie low, he could have done just that, exactly like Damdred is doing. Instead he started something that's helping town; that's massively town indicative.
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On January 21 2016 04:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 04:17 disformation wrote:On January 21 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Hmm... would actually be really glad to take Watson instead of the traditional doctor. Saves me the trouble of figuring out if I am paranoid/weak/normal. Can I can I can I? :D On January 20 2016 11:14 Breshke wrote:
So I am suggesting that i should pick Dr. John Watson
I'm happy to pick a protective role which this is and as I am not a high priority NK I will be able to confirm sherlock and moriartys checks.
Discuss Seems like Watson is already taken. =/ Wait. How did you find out ?
Huh?
As I said here:
On January 21 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Hmm... would actually be really glad to take Watson instead of the traditional doctor. Saves me the trouble of figuring out if I am paranoid/weak/normal. Can I can I can I? :D
Additionally there is tons of upside if Holmes and Moriarty are in the game and they should be imo.
So I kinda love the idea of being Holmes and was about to submit that pick, when I decided to double check and make sure that no one else wanted to be watson. You know since I kinda don't want to end up as mysterious challenger. So I did a Strg+F on Watson and found out Breshke wanted him.
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Lol I wonder if Dreamflower would fall to 18th pick. I wouldn't mind picking it, seppuku amuses me.
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Palmar's Grand Plan
How to win a game of PYP
Chapter 1: Expectations
It's a very common theme in PYP games that you have a small faction of people who want to try to break the game. These people are in general very, very likely to be town. There is a massive advantage in playing organized town in PYP, because you can limit mafia's options to do things by controlling the pick order and the roles actually picked.
Almost exclusively mafia will trey to disrupt this process, not because they're dumb and think people won't notice, but because there is an inherent reflex when you play mafia to start arguing for no real reason. You want to appear confident and perhaps even slightly controversial.
Mafia will disrupt my plans, not because they think that's good for their team, although of course it is, but mostly because they think "that's what a good townie would do". When in reality I'd actually expect most townies to sort of mind their own business or sheep when someone like me attempts to take charge.
Another important thing to notice is that mafia is extremely likely to have low post count during the picking and planning phase because it's relatively hard to fake interest in that. Mafia is much more strategizing their own picks instead of actually playing to win the game.
Remember this in later days. It's not a global truth, but use it as a little piece of the puzzle.
Chapter 2: The Picks list
Keirathi: I have strong suspicion he is mafia. I do not believe he is posting posts because he wants some information out there, he's just posting to post. I think there is very little information in his filter. I do not believe his post about randoming between 3 roles is genuine and I don't believe his response to my accusation is good. I also don't believe his excuse that "I'm playing a PYP game so I'll pick whatever I please" to not follow along with town plans is any good. In fact, he could have taken the much better route of "hey Palmar, I'll follow along, but I'd really liek to play one of these, is that ok?". No he's forcing confrontation and being a stubborn asshole.
If he wants to play along, I want him to take the Gambler. In any case, he is going to have a strong role and should be an early lynch target.
Superbia: His enthusiasm in the early game, along with his willingness to randomly attack me and then flip that read when I started playing more makes him relatively likely to be town. I think it's important that he controls a strong role that I don't trust other people with.
I will suggest that Superbia takes the CPR Doc.
OWS: I haven't had a chance to review his filter. I don't think he stood as being super scummy, but meh. I think he's a good candidate to take House
Rels: I feel better about him almost solely on interest. He also thought he broke the game and while it's possible that he faked it, the simple solution, along with his realtive activity makes it more likely he's town.
Due to the fact that Rels is a good player, I want him to take Captain Malcolm
Palmar: In my frenzy to think about other people's roles, I basically never figured out what I wanted to play myself. I actually wanted a veteran role because I suppose I'll be a fairly popular target, but looks like there's no straight up pure veteran with no downsides. So I guess I'll just take a strong role I don't want in the hands of mafia, also the list is something that helps very much with my style of scumhunting.
I am taking Arrow
geript: My townread has weakened somewhat but you know... I don't really care. I'm going to trust my early instincts on him so I'm giving him a fairly strong role.
Link
Please make sure you use the roleblock everything on n2 geript.
Breshke: Haven't rechecked his filter. I want him as some kind of a information role with little upside for mafia.
Sherlock Holmes
Koshi: I didn't think he sounded like mafia at the beginning of the game, but this act of not caring about the game has gone on for too long now. That being said, he's a crazy person so who knows.
Koshi gets a free for all. He can pick whatever role above him that has already been picked to prove it doesn't exist. He is also free to use his own judgement to pick a good role, but if he does that he must claim it.
Cephiro: Scum, for reasons stated earlier.
I'm giving him a chance to redeem himself though. Dreamflower. That way you'll never get lynched. The reason I'm giving him (vs other possible mafia) this chance of redemption is that the guy has at least been willing to respond and engage (unlike for example vivax). This makes it more likely I'm wrong on him, althouhg everything he has said sounded like mafia.
Kitaman27: There is a slight inconsistency in his early analytical post on the roles and his lack of interest in organizing town after that. This may point towards him being mafia. However, he's also a smart good player, so he's basically getting a free for all like koshi.
Like Koshi, neither of them are allowed to take a mafia role to deny mafia the role.
Vivax: Scum, and has shown no interest in working with town. If he wants to work with town he will pick the Jailkeeper. that's about the only role I trust him with. Also it's ironic since he fakeclaimed one in the last game.
Ticktock: I haven't reviewed his filter. I would like for him to pick an investigative role, preferably Moriarty
Disformation: Another filter I haven't reviewed. I remember thinking something might possibly be off about him. I want him to pick the Doctor
Fecalfeast: Not a strong read in any way, but I actually liked his posting better than a lot of the other people that have been relatively inactive. I want him to take Dr Watson.
Damdred: Free for all as long as it's not a mafia role. Damdy is smart and analytical but he has been thoroughly underwhelming this game. I only want him taking protective and investigative roles. If I find out he has a KP role I'm lynching him.
AlotsoMuch: No idea, and I know him less than everyone else in the game. I would love for him to take Kitaman27 because it's purely an information role and has no upside for mafia.
VayneAuthority: Another filter I haven't looked through. He's always lynchbait though so. I think it'd be fine to give him Ayla because it's not too strong a disrupting role and if he turns out to be town he's likely to live for a while so the utility of the role might fit him well.
Shining: I actually kinda lean town on shining after his exchanges today. Mostly a tone read though so don't put too much faith in it. I am going to give him Time travelling vigilante as long as he agrees to shoot with town sentiment.
Onegu: Perpetually unreadable player who mafia will never shoot if he's town, but I have a solution to that.
Onegu will be picking City Councilman and we will be holding elections on day 1. Obviously I will be chosen mayor and voila, Onegu is now useful!
Sicklucker: Our secret weapon. COMPLETE AND UTTER FFA. Sicklucker is allowed to pick any role, including very mafia favored roles if he feels like it to check if they're in the game and to check if people above him followed the plan. He is also allowed to grab a KP role if he feels like it. A good suggestion for a role for him is the knight artorias thing which is a very strong mafia role.
copcake: Didn't sound to bad, but I haven't reviewed her filter. If copcake feels like it I'd be okay with her taking Ezio to strip random mafia of their power if she figures out their alignment. Also good to know if Ezio got taken.
Glowingbear I don't believe he forgets about games so I think he's mafia. If he wants to play nice then Flowey is a sweet and simple role that can't be abused oto much
Chapter 3: Words of warning
There is no way everyone is going along with this list. I have tried to include some free for alls and checks to people can be held accountable, but that doesn't really change that there's always going to be lone assholes who care more about their own butt than trying to win the game. If the roles that I laid out in this post are the ones that exist in the game, town is clearly in a good position with a lot of protective and investigative roles instead of a bunch of KP to murder us all.
Also, my reads are based on a realtively inactive "day 0" where we weren't even trying to lynch people. It's completely possible that I'm wrong and bad all over the place. I will of course revise my reads throughout the game.
I am open to suggestions and changes to the list.
If you have been assigned a role you do not want, please don't make a big deal out of it. Even if people are town and I give them a weaker role due to mistrust, it's not because I'm an asshole, it's because I'm not perfect at reading people. Just accept it and move on. The plan does give town a good chance of winning the game due to the nature of roles that it introduces to the game.
I generally gave veteran players more freedom because their actions are easier to analyze. Sorry to the people I know less well and thus was more strict. Maybe next PYP
Please, if you even think for a second that I might be town, consider following the guidance laid out in this post.
Good luck.
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On January 21 2016 04:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 04:18 Rels wrote:On January 21 2016 04:05 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure Palmar's scum the more he posts. Why ? Just the mix of his reads and how he reacts. Like Keir is fucking obvious town. PalmAr's kinda being super cautious around calling people that are obvious town town. Instead he's almost pulling shitty reasons out of mid air to scumread people. He's focusing on this plan (which is NAI) but he's not really doing anything effective with it. Like Superbia's kinda run off with that. It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why.
I think he has been reasonable in who he calls town like me/rels/super for example. Hell even you altho I dont have a personal read on you
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On January 21 2016 04:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 04:23 Rels wrote:On January 21 2016 04:17 disformation wrote:On January 21 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Hmm... would actually be really glad to take Watson instead of the traditional doctor. Saves me the trouble of figuring out if I am paranoid/weak/normal. Can I can I can I? :D On January 20 2016 11:14 Breshke wrote:
So I am suggesting that i should pick Dr. John Watson
I'm happy to pick a protective role which this is and as I am not a high priority NK I will be able to confirm sherlock and moriartys checks.
Discuss Seems like Watson is already taken. =/ Wait. How did you find out ? Huh? As I said here: Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Hmm... would actually be really glad to take Watson instead of the traditional doctor. Saves me the trouble of figuring out if I am paranoid/weak/normal. Can I can I can I? :D Additionally there is tons of upside if Holmes and Moriarty are in the game and they should be imo. So I kinda love the idea of being Holmes and was about to submit that pick, when I decided to double check and make sure that no one else wanted to be watson. You know since I kinda don't want to end up as mysterious challenger. So I did a Strg+F on Watson and found out Breshke wanted him.
I need you to be around for a question, tell me when you're ready.
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Dammit palmar why are you making me have to read the roles list
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Lame, I wanted arrow. back to the drawing board
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OK this list seems super good. /vote
You seem to have followed what people claimed save for two:
kita said he was going to take dr something that tracks people and frame everybody
breshke said he was going to take watson, I suppose you don't believe him ?
Onegu suggestion is perfect (=
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geript should have a strong role (Nigella or werner I think weren't taken from your list)
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PSY is a pretty strong role no ones mentioning
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I'm fine with Kitaman27.
/approved
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Well. I don't agree with everything you wrote there but I guess I respect the long post. Palmar should really not be lynched any time soon. Even if he is mafia. Let the other mafia team shoot him.
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Also. I only read myself Palmar. *wink wink*
(this is a crumb for later but this crumb most likely will not help me at all but w.e)
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