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On January 19 2016 09:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:30 disformation wrote:On January 19 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote:
Yay I think I have 2 town reads.
and we haven't even started the game proper
FYI I'm probably never saying what I pick. It may or may not be a number I throw out, and I'm not above tanking somebody's spot just kus. Reads? Care to share who/why?  Thinking Koshi and Superbia town. Kinda based on meta as well as their mindset. I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia.
Well, that are both the ppl I made notes of so far. xD
Superbia going for Dreamflower smells a bit of wine to me though, but that could have different reasons. Also felt kinda genuine to me. Would lean town.
Second thing I noted was koshi dumbtelling and his reaction on being called out on that. Would town lean as well.
On January 19 2016 09:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!)
What will I be spending my mafia points on? Kus I kinda don't like this post...
Can you narrow down what you don't like about this post?
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Yea, anyone who claims dreamflower can be verified by day 2. Although with there being 2 scum factions, it doesn't necessarily mean they can't be scum, but it is pretty unlikely.
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Maybe it is better to distribute roles based on picks tbh. Dreamflower should never be picked as town. It is not good enough imo and mafia will NEVER pick it. If somebody picks it he is auto town
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On January 19 2016 09:51 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed. Holy shit that's actually huge. I think Watson claims d2.
Wat.
Why would he claim day 2? Yea, it can tell sherlock/moriarty their sanity, but it also denies him the chance to save more people and the sanity information can always be given out later or even after one or both of the others dies.
It's a really strong role. No need to neuter it on day 2 for no reason :\
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On January 19 2016 09:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed. Ah yeah I missed the doc part. Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:45 Tictock wrote:On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!)
What will I be spending my mafia points on? Kus I kinda don't like this post... Sadly nothing, but you're welcome to elaborate.
I really hate the idea of mass claims, I don't see that helping at all. With a few exceptions roles are really alignment indicative imo so claims only give mafia targeting priority.
I'm not sure I like a lot of your list, but tbh I have no real opinions regarding the role picking stuff.
You couldn't be bothered to figure out the Werner Von Braun role.
I kinda get the sense that your tryharding to look friendly and helpful here. Possibly NAI, but I'm not letting you fool me like in New Personality.
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On January 19 2016 09:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:51 Superbia wrote:On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed. Holy shit that's actually huge. I think Watson claims d2. Wat. Why would he claim day 2? Yea, it can tell sherlock/moriarty their sanity, but it also denies him the chance to save more people and the sanity information can always be given out later or even after one or both of the others dies. It's a really strong role. No need to neuter it on day 2 for no reason :\
Nah fuck that. If all 3 (we should pick all 3) are alive d2 he outs instantly. Kp has been reduced to 2 (maybe +1 due to roles or w/e) and we should have other protection roles to protect him. Furthermore the 2kp is spread between 2 parties who can't communicate and are against each other. Besides, losing a protective role on n2 with a high possibility of 4 checks going into d3 is amazing.
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On January 19 2016 09:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:43 Tictock wrote:On January 19 2016 09:30 disformation wrote:On January 19 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote:
Yay I think I have 2 town reads.
and we haven't even started the game proper
FYI I'm probably never saying what I pick. It may or may not be a number I throw out, and I'm not above tanking somebody's spot just kus. Reads? Care to share who/why? Thinking Koshi and Superbia town. Kinda based on meta as well as their mindset. I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia. dreamflower is a compulsive vig who has to shoot mafia. I find it very unlikely to be picked by mafia for "town cred".
You misunderstood, I said "mafia CLAIMING to go for dreamflower"
Clearly any mafia actually going for that rule is either a fool or a hero... possibly both.
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On January 19 2016 09:54 Koshi wrote:
Maybe it is better to distribute roles based on picks tbh. Dreamflower should never be picked as town. It is not good enough imo and mafia will NEVER pick it. If somebody picks it he is auto town
Doesn't matter. Fact that I pick it essentially removes me from the pick order list and allows people below to pick more freely.
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Last on list should pick dreamflower to check if I have it if in doubt. Likely you're not getting shit anyway.
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I'm going to pick 3, 1.
Nobody else is allowed to pick my numbers.
NOBODY.
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On January 19 2016 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm going to pick 3, 1.
Nobody else is allowed to pick my numbers.
NOBODY.
On January 19 2016 09:29 Koshi wrote:
[3,1] is Koshi. I will hunt the person responsible down if I get Mysterious Challenger. That card is OP as shit, I hate it.
*cough cough*
I think kita picked 4,1.
Next free should be 5,1?
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Nevermind, Koshi picked those numbers.
I refuse to argue with a crazy person.
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On January 19 2016 09:54 Koshi wrote:
Maybe it is better to distribute roles based on picks tbh. Dreamflower should never be picked as town. It is not good enough imo and mafia will NEVER pick it. If somebody picks it he is auto town
It's a decent strategy. Guaranteeing that the powerful town roles are selected and ensuring there isn't overlap is probably enough to just win the game outright to make up for the trade off of giving the mafia knowledge. Plus it makes each slot responsible for the actions they take. Toughest part is getting everyone to agree.
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I went backed and double checked after. Sue me.
Going for 5, 1 then.
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Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role
This being said I have no better alternative.
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Sup
soooo where do I pick powers?
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On January 19 2016 11:00 CopCake wrote:
Sup
soooo where do I pick powers?
From the OP:
After the 24 hours, the pick order list will be revealed (I will Not include what numbers everyone chose), and all players will have 24 hours to select a role from the below list. Selections must, again, be messaged to me and Half the Sky.
But the pick phase only begins at Wednesday, Jan 20 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
Currently we are determining the pick order list. As explained here:
On January 13 2016 05:45 GreYMisT wrote:Pick OrderThe game will begin after alignments have been sent out. At that point all players are free to communicate in the thread and in their mafia chat. During the next 24 hours all players must submit to both hosts a set of 2 numbers between 1 and 20, presented as [1],[12] (for example). Once collected, these numbers will determine your pick order. The first number is your “true” pick order number, while the second is your tiebreaker number in case someone else picks the same first number as you. The player with the first number closest to 1 will be highest in the pick order. However, if more than 1 player picks the same first number, all of those players will be moved to the back of the pick order. This will continue until all players have been assigned a pick order. This same process will be repeated for each player’s second number, in order to determine ordering within each group of tied first numbers. An example of how this might play out can be found below. + Show Spoiler [pick order demonstration] +
Player A - [4][19]
Player B - [1][12]
Player C - [1][6]
Player D - [7][8]
Player E - [3][4]
Player F - [7][8]
Player G - [7][20]
Players B and C both picked 1. They go to the back of the queue. Player E is the next lowest # and the only one that picked 3. He/She goes first. Then player A since He/She is the only one to pick 4. Then Player D would have been next with 7 ahead of B and C, but Player's F and G also picked 7 so they both go behind Players B and C.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E
Player A
Player B
Player C
Player D
Player F
Player G
Now I just resolve Players B, C, D,F and G. Between B and C, I look at the second #. B has a 12, C has a 6. So C gets to pick before B.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player D
Player F
Now between D,F and G they all picked the same 1st numbers [7][?]. So I look at the second number to determine their order. Player G has a different number [7][20] whereas D and F both have [7][8]. Same rule as before and G gets to pick before D and F.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player G
Player D
Player F
In the case of D and F I roll a dice to determine who goes first since they have the same 2 numbers. For arguments sake lets say F got a 1 and D got a 3 on a dice roll. F goes before D.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player G
Player F
Player D
If a player fails to submit numbers, they will automatically be at the bottom of the pick order. If more than one player fails to submit numbers, then I will be sad, vengeful, and will randomize who goes first between them.
Again you have until Wednesday, Jan 20 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in to submit these numbers, if you haven't done so.
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Hm.. nearly 4 am here, think I'll go to bed now.
For what it is worth I'll throw a TR at TT, since I feel like he is really trying to figure out the game already, while most ppl are preoccupied with the pick order and roles.
While I mentioned this stuff: not entirely sure what I think about picking roles based on pick order and/or priority or something. Like I am not sure if the benefit outweighs the costs and someone said that there are a bunch of roles that are hard to hold ppl accountable for/verify, need to think about that, but it could mean that there is room for scum to mess with the pick order and/or pick something else.
Will try to squeeze in some time tomorrow afternoon and think about this a bit more.
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I will be picking a combination of numbers [X,Y]
Where:
X > Y
X - Y = TOWN
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EPT
