Pick Your Power: Intriguing - Page 14

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 22:33 GMT

#5246

On February 03 2016 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Who ever is mafia between shining/ticktock has acualy mafia motivation to lynch super over anyone else...

Oh shit!

How much do you trust me SL?

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 22:37 GMT

#5248

I should prob just stop posting kus I have no intention of being serious here for the next 12 hours or so.
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Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 22:38 GMT

#5250

On February 03 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote:
Meh. I just thought of something. Sleeping here would acualy prove Ticktock and me are town. Becuase both a mafai shining and super would have to hold their shot. Shining would have to do it because hes "rbed" and super would do it to keep shining in the lynch pool I think?

The probelnm is we cant trust shinings vote because if s mafia he might not have a vote? screw this game

I agree with'cha brother!

Fight the power!

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 23:06 GMT

#5298

On February 03 2016 08:00 Superbia wrote:
Yes. But if TT pushes over the shining I would shoot him.

If I'm mafia why not vote me today?

If you are voting mafia right now, why are you suddenly scared that I might join that vote?

This is why I have a hard time seeing you as town.

You have a chance to win RIGHT NOW as town, but you don't care kus you 100% win tonight if you are mafia.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 23:18 GMT

#5308

I think I'm willing to count the sheep to sleep, as long as SL is down to take the 100% blame if Super if mafia here. In that case I think it means I voted mafia everyday, even my "shenannies" on D1 on Dis was good.

I still never heard him explain why he TR's you SL, he dodged the question. I just don't trust he has real reads on people right now.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 02 2016 23:37 GMT

#5324

I'm not giving up, but I've more or less said my peace.

I've got nothing more to add till something interesting happens.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 02:03 GMT

#5354

On February 03 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote:

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I'm just literally baiting out to see what his read on you is. You don't think it's suspicious at all that he's hard reading you town in MYLO after deciding YOU were the one who had to be roleblocked JUST the day before.

Actually it should have been pretty clear I was going to target Palmar before the idea of. Banning TS became popular.

I decided to go along woth banning TS bcause I thought it would give us solid info going into today. Unfortunitly my role is shit and doesn't actually confirm anything, especially since scum can no shoot.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 06:24 GMT

#5355

SL it must be really comfy in Super's pocket.

I can't believe you don't see how he has no interest in figuering out scum today and you buy his "I have auto tonight" excuse. It's a great excuse to hind behind as scum, but it's the wrong fucking attitude as town when we can win today by finding and lynching scum. Instead of trying he just is bouncing between me and TS without trying to find reasons why we are town or scum.

Rereading today, focusing on Super's posts and modivations.

This was his position right at the start of the day.

On February 02 2016 08:14 Superbia wrote:
Honestly it doesn't really matter that much. The reason I didn't want anyone to talk is because palmar was discussing our number of lynches and others were as well. I was hoping mafia would fuck up and they did.

Me being alive gives us a 2nd lynch.

We lynch today and I get a shot if we miss.

Does it really make sense that mafia would not realize Super's role or the number of shots they needed last night because there was no discussion?

His tone is all wrong too. He's way to mild mannered and uninvested for someone who just "fooled mafia" into letting him live.

On February 02 2016 08:41 Superbia wrote:
Right. The town between you two will need to realize that the only way we have a chance to lose this game is if we sleep or lynch me. But whatever, we'll get there tomorrow.

This post is also odd, why does he think we lose if we sleep?

If he is town he should realize a sleep puts us in 2v1 tomorrow as long as he holds his shot. Only event of a town loss if we sleep is if Super is mafia.

Thus only a scum!Super should be thinking that town losses if we sleep.

On February 02 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote:

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Except that if you are scum I literally give town another lynch for no reason. (5v2 -> 4v2/4v1, very likely 4v1) Oh yeah, and I also get rid of the big question mark in the progress (and very, very likely reduce the scum count to 1). Yeah, no.

This post actually makes no sense, Super is actually talking as though he DID have 2 KP to consider. If he was town I'd expect him to only explain why he shot Cake, this actually reads "well if i left you alive I gave town another lynch which is stupid, also I did kill a question mark who turned out to be scum"

On February 02 2016 08:46 Superbia wrote:

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No. If we sleep I literally die because I'm confirmed town tomorrow (due to the fact that the game is not over). AND we lose a lynch (I can't shoot anymore). Best case scenario is that scum does not realize this (derp, but kind of likely since they didn't realize the extra lynch), SL dies (likely), and my shot means that we get a shot at a draw.

So Super doesn't want to sleep because he might die, which would actually put us in 2v1 tomorrow with a 1/3 chance of lynching scum over the 1/4 today.

However! The ironic thing here is that that situation should literally be Super's PoV today, he needs to pick the mafia between the 3 of us to win. Yet he has constantly refused to do anything towards that end. He just wants to leave it at either me or TS with his shot to end the game.

It's REALLY important to find scum today, but Super just keeps using his shot as an excuse to do nothing. The fact the he continues to do nothing to push TS or myself as mafia while claiming he doesn't want to sleep is a HUGE contradiction.

On February 02 2016 09:39 Superbia wrote:
1. Because if SL (and myself) are town I can literally kill you both. 1- lynch, 2-cpr.
2. I have specifically said that WE NEVER SLEEP HERE.
3. I literally do not really give a shit which of you two are mafia because I can shoot the other if we miss. I just have to ensure SL is town but I'm pretty sure.

Just again, very adiment about not sleeping but he isn't thinking about winning today.

How does it make sense that town!Super is more focused on the win tonight than on winning today by lynching scum? I don't know how to point this out more clearly.

On February 02 2016 11:15 Superbia wrote:

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IF IM MAFIA I DONT NO-SHOOT. ITS FUCKING HORRIBLE BECAUSE IF YOURE THE OTHER MAFIA TOWN GAINS ANOTHER LYNCH.

This is a retarted way to reply. If Super is mafia obv Shining is not, sorry but Caps don't hide the fact that you are not responding to this in a way that makes sense.

On February 02 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote:
Okay. You understand that for me the optimal way to go about this day is find 1 town instead of the mafia, right? (if I'm town)

This is a technicality, sure the easy way for a Town!Super to pull off the win, but it doesn't mean that he shouldn't try to find scum today so that he doesn't need to rely on his shot. I really REALLY think it's scummy that Super's so focused on this play that involves winning tonight not lynching scum today.

On February 02 2016 22:40 Superbia wrote:
Honestly I feel like I've been supertownie even without the whole dreamflower thing.

There's a good reason Palmar hard read me town while he has been able to scum-read me halfway through d1 in the past. Look at my past games.

I really dislike this post. First line reads "Yea I should be townread for the Dreamflower thing" and then he's just useing the fact that Palmar townread him as proof that he's town.

I don't see why mafia can't claim they are going to pick dreamflower and then pick something else later, it's actually a decent move to get easy towncred. Act like your going for a role that is suicide if mafia, then back down when someone suggests something else. I pointed out I had suspicions about this claim right off btw, it doesn't convince me anymore now.

Also if we wanna throw in dead players reads...
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On January 20 2016 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Super why the postering on dreamflowet and then backing out?

(Didn't go looking for that one, happened to spot it while I went looking for...)

On January 25 2016 05:12 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I already read shinning filter.

He's probably 90% town, decent activity and prodding questions. I wouldn't ever lynch him

On February 02 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote:

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We'll go into the night with me confirmed town and we can discuss my shot. I'll likely shoot because I have 0 confidence in the town to make the right decision tbh.

This is a bad answer. If town he should realize that if we sleep and he shoots wrong it's game. If he thinks he's got better reads than the rest of us why isn't he sharing them and trying to convince us to lynch that person today? Only reason he'd shoot if we sleep is if he is scum.

On February 03 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:
Also it literally boggles my mind that you're defending someone in MYLO.

On February 03 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:
That is so un-towny.

Yea, explaining my TR on someone is un-towny. This is total BS.

Super should get lynched for this alone. Claiming that me discussing why I think someone is town in 3v1 is mafia motivated.

On February 03 2016 06:40 Superbia wrote:
There is no possible scenario in which you are town. Town is never this convinced in mylo. You've put up a charade of "hmm maybe I should take a look at SL" but it's just a facade. If you were town you would be looking at everybody.

You came in today with a plan. Your post before the night reflected this. The fact that Palmar died over me in the night reflected this.

Explain how Palmar being killed explains anything? If I am scum I never let Super live to possibly shoot me. 2v1 is better for me as scum than the current situation with Super having a shot tonight. Hell anyone of Me/SL/TS as scum would have a high priority to shoot you Super, yet you are still here.

On February 03 2016 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Reading game filter. Did he flip his read at some point just to go back to it later?

This never panned out. I don't think Super ever did this.

I think I'm done here, kinda feel like I'm hitting on the same points over and over (also only a couple more pages to go).

I think it's really clear from Super's posting today that he is only focused on winning tonight, not in correctly lynching mafia today. The only reason why he would be discounting winning today is if he is mafia, this excuse of "having auto" is the most BS reasoning I've ever heard.

This is my last effort to show you guys why we should be lynching Super.

If I'm wrong, convince me of it. If I'm mafia, lynch me for it.

I'm not crazy about the option to sleep myself since I think scum!Super just wins then, but if that's my only choice besides lynching Shining hoping that I've been wrong on him all game... I think it's what I prefer.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 06:33 GMT

#5356

@ Super

I understand you have to push me and make me look bad and all that, but if you really think I haven't explored you being town and TS being mafia you are wrong.

I tinfoil all the time to look at things from multiple angles, but this is just what makes the most sense to me every time I look at the possibilities today.

I don't think I can make my reasoning anymore clear, so if you are town you need to make me understand why I'm wrong.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 17:00 GMT

#5367

Huh, who has rage quit?

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 17:02 GMT

#5368

Wont be able to read that whole response right now during my break, but I might switch my vote purely bacause you took the time to respond like that when it's clear SL is never budging anyway.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 19:16 GMT

#5383

On February 04 2016 03:59 sicklucker wrote:

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i see you all evaded this important qeustion. I cant really proceed untill you answer this

Idk, so I can't put it past him.

I know I probably would.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 19:22 GMT

#5387

Yesh, this game...

I think the one thing we all seem to agree on is that SL is town, is this true?

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 19:30 GMT

#5398

On February 04 2016 04:23 sicklucker wrote:
No super Somethings sitting wrong with me. Your filter is so clean im probably losing my mind. Gonna go read filters for a shit ton of time now. Dont wanna get this wrong. TT i suggest you keep your vote the same because im now deciding between you and super rather then between super and both fo you. This is a more even playing field really

I've got about 2 hours till I have to leave and won't be able to change my vote or anything after that point.

I'm less certain now that Super has bothered to respond to both of my WoT posts when if as scum he really shouldn't care what I think as the current status-quo should give him the win.

Especially since during that time TS has basically added nothing to the day besides a few quips and questions and a TR on me.

SL has checked and double checked stuff, and there is no way he would bring up that old game of ours to TR me as mafia. So he is the only person I'm completely solid on being town here.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 19:39 GMT

#5408

I think you guys might need to take a step back from the KP and stuff last night.

We are for sure 3v1 right now, one of the 4 of us is scum. We shouldn't need to drone on about this RB, KP, Role stuff just look at what everyone's motivations are in their posts today.

This is actually exactly what I did in my last WoT btw. Post #5355

Though tbh when I was looking at The Shining's posts as I did that I was also not seeing a ton of town motivations. I'll relook at those.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 19:40 GMT

#5410

@ Shining

What is your read on SL?

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:07 GMT

#5430

WoT, but I'm not gunna let it blow up the page.

Still smaller than the last one.

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On February 02 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:
I knew Cop was scum. Good shyt.

Wifom but Palmar was tring me, I'd never shoot him as scum.

I was roleblocked. And I'd honestly probably sheep TT on Super. It's definitely one of Super/SL. The no concession means last scum is townread heavily. That's obviously not me. Lynching me today is stupid, I am town and won't be the reason we lose, Fuck that.

Fairly Meh, I'm not sure I believe there is any real passion behind that last line.

On February 02 2016 08:43 The Shining wrote:

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There is 1 scum left. If we sleep, there would be 1 NK if you don't shoot and 3 left tomorrow with 1 scum. How is that a loss?

This I totally agree with, actually there's a few good questions here in his filter I like.

On February 02 2016 08:56 The Shining wrote:
Whichever one of you is town is a flower and the other is happy scum. Good shit.

Its probably super and if we mislynch, the game is over because he won't protect the person he's shooting. Or if by some magic he's town, he'd have to protect the person scum is shooting, which won't happen bcuz they just shoot him. Stupid. Mislynch = loss.

This is what I have been saying but this looks like Shining isn't just straight parroting or anything here. Not sure if the slight misconception about Super's role means anything, but it is consistent with how Shining has gotten role stuff mixed up a little before (mostly with my Ban on damdred, and a little on it last night).

On February 02 2016 09:00 The Shining wrote:

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The safe scum play is to agree with my ml since he'd know I'm not scum, not try to target and case one of the townread players in the thread. His reads on disfo and rels were also pretty good and when I get a chance, I'll re-read his filter but I know my alignment and this is enough to think he isn't scum.

If he was scum, he lynches the easiest town to lynch, like you and SL are trying to do. Not defend me last day phase and continue to do so and case you at eon.

Again, this post is pretty on point. It could be he is just rolling with the fact that I've hard townread him most of the game. Biggest thing to me is just that he is looking at things from multiple points of view.

Yea I don't wanna quote everypost, but I agree with all the points TS is bringing up in #5045, #5098, #5100.

Kinda Meh about this post too.

On February 02 2016 11:11 The Shining wrote:
Whoever thinks I'm scum should also really tell me what team I'm on. I've wanted Cop dead forever. I tried to get Rels lynched before anyone off of what I thought was a slip(his protect list). I was all in for the double scum flip. Like srsly there is no world I'm scum in this game

On the one hand I agree with it as my earlier filter dives showed pushes and scumreads on the right people and enough that they had to have come from different teams.

Then again if scum TS would be aware that his filter supports that.

Eh still more towny imo, this is a hard enough game without scum selling out their own team.

On February 02 2016 11:25 The Shining wrote:

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NOT IF YOU'RE BANKING ON COP BEING THE OTHER MAFIA. I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO

Idk this response feels real.

On February 02 2016 11:27 The Shining wrote:

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This Is correct. Unless you think Super Is town and trust his shot. But that's the worst end game ever and he isn't town anyway

Ok Last post kus I'm almost at the present.

Here is what bugs me at this point. Shining is talking to SL like he is town, he TR's me, and he agrees with basically everything I posted EoN onwards. In fact it's hard for me to really get a full sense of TS's own thoughts becasue I'm just seeing a lot of my own points coming from him.

It's also weird to me that Shining hasn't voted if he's as convinced that Super is scum as he seemed to be in that last post.

At worst though this still just leaves me uneasy, but leaning town on Shining. I've been hoping to see more clear thought and effort from him though, given we are at endgame here.