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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:28 GMT
#167
On January 14 2016 17:26 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 17:10 Xatalos wrote:
DYH seems town so far... Basically it just feels like he's analyzing the game objectively. Not pushing any specific thought(s) or avoiding attention. Early credit grab

If i made the posts DYH did would you consider me town?


Not really... I use a different heuristic for you now anyway

Do you realize DYH is a really good scumplayer?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:30 GMT
#168
Xatalos what do you think about Damdred so far?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:32 GMT
#170
I am saying he could definitely make those posts as mafia aswell as town.
I don't have a read on one way or another on him, if that wasn't clear.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:42 GMT
#174
On January 14 2016 17:36 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos what do you think about Damdred so far?


He's actually the player I didn't immediately want to talk about earlier. I guess it's fine.

It's just that I was reading his post in the player read diagram thread where he was sad that his play was so easy to read (basically "emotive at all? YES -> town, NO -> mafia" haha). When I looked at how he played this game, I didn't really see any significant emotion, but there were some really weak signs of emotion such as the "(XD)" at one point. It got me thinking that he could be mindful of his read diagram and try to include some sort of emotion forcefully. But then again, I realized that it was too early to judge him just based on a couple of posts.

Now the usefulness of this thought process is probably more limited, since I already said it, but what do you think?

I am conflicted on him since i kinda feel like i should have a read on him and i don't. If that makes sense... On the other hand i wanna townread him for his eagerness to trying to read me, on the other hand i think he is scummy because of this post:
On January 14 2016 09:31 Damdred wrote:
But seriously I don't really have a read any which way and I don't quite see what you are saying here yet if you are being serious

..or not really this post, but what he says after; After this Trfel makes his town case on DYH and i feel like Damdred (being a tone reader -- and Trfel actually contributing a reasonable amount) should have a read on him here. Some sort of a read, any sort. It's weird he doesn't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:51 GMT
#177
To elaborate more:
Basically this is what i want you to answer VE:

[image loading]

Y U do dis?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:53 GMT
#179
..and i really don't care.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 08:58 GMT
#182
On January 14 2016 17:56 Xatalos wrote:
One thing I wonder about is HF's ninja vote.

says the dude who ninja-voted twice..
lastly on his null-read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:03 GMT
#186
On January 14 2016 17:59 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE could you elaborate on the thought process on your first three posts? You basically read the thread in a.... non-chronological order, yes?


I am not sure i can see where ritoky is coming from with his Trfel read. However i personally think this looks like Trfel's townplay for the simple reason that he focuses on finding townreads instead of scumreads -- i looked the last scumgame ritoky referred to (at least i think it was that game?) and what Trfel did there was, yes, aggressive, but it was basically a case on VE. I don't think Trfel's meta is that black and white (aggressive = mafia, which, unless i am mistaken ritoky is suggesting here). The last time i personally played with Trfel (when he was scum) he didn't play like in the game ritoky pointed out at all..

He seems to be the most involved person to get the game going and actually scumhunt, and that's why i think he is town. I don't even think "aggressive" is the right word here, "involved" would be more fitting. So yeah, Trfel is town.

ritoky please, elaborate this. I also think the associative read on DYH is... meh..


I don't think there is much anything to say about other people.

I think DYH's play is perfectly in range of his scumplay, and he hasn't really.. contributed much aside the Trfel read. Judging from his last coach QT he is a pretty good scumplayer and aware of his "meta" so i don't think Trfel's read is necessarily correct here, i just think the read tells more about Trfel than it does from DYH.

Ace, one thing. I know your scumplay looks pretty much like your townplay because you like... ugh.. how to put it.. don't necessarily care about "how you look". I mean you don't take part in discussions you find "not relevant" but i have to disagree here with you; It's also the reason you look "scummy" when you are town, people get paranoid because they thing you are withholding information (like already seen to be said in this game).

I don't think Cephiro's and Alot's posting makes them anything yet.


Btw yeah, I forgot to mention this one. It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread. It makes even less sense to suspect them as a scumteam just because of that happening. Rather it should be the opposite, usually.

What? I don't understand anything you say here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:03 GMT
#187
On January 14 2016 18:01 Xatalos wrote:
To be fair, I voted you just because of Palmar's funny post. And I voted for Ace because he seemed the least willing to put forth any useful effort. Maybe some votes could pressure him into doing stuff. If not, well... There could be worse lynches.

this too.
Ace seems to be putting in effort but you are voting for him so he would put in effort?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:05 GMT
#190
On January 14 2016 18:04 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 17:59 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE could you elaborate on the thought process on your first three posts? You basically read the thread in a.... non-chronological order, yes?


I am not sure i can see where ritoky is coming from with his Trfel read. However i personally think this looks like Trfel's townplay for the simple reason that he focuses on finding townreads instead of scumreads -- i looked the last scumgame ritoky referred to (at least i think it was that game?) and what Trfel did there was, yes, aggressive, but it was basically a case on VE. I don't think Trfel's meta is that black and white (aggressive = mafia, which, unless i am mistaken ritoky is suggesting here). The last time i personally played with Trfel (when he was scum) he didn't play like in the game ritoky pointed out at all..

He seems to be the most involved person to get the game going and actually scumhunt, and that's why i think he is town. I don't even think "aggressive" is the right word here, "involved" would be more fitting. So yeah, Trfel is town.

ritoky please, elaborate this. I also think the associative read on DYH is... meh..


I don't think there is much anything to say about other people.

I think DYH's play is perfectly in range of his scumplay, and he hasn't really.. contributed much aside the Trfel read. Judging from his last coach QT he is a pretty good scumplayer and aware of his "meta" so i don't think Trfel's read is necessarily correct here, i just think the read tells more about Trfel than it does from DYH.

Ace, one thing. I know your scumplay looks pretty much like your townplay because you like... ugh.. how to put it.. don't necessarily care about "how you look". I mean you don't take part in discussions you find "not relevant" but i have to disagree here with you; It's also the reason you look "scummy" when you are town, people get paranoid because they thing you are withholding information (like already seen to be said in this game).

I don't think Cephiro's and Alot's posting makes them anything yet.


Btw yeah, I forgot to mention this one. It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread. It makes even less sense to suspect them as a scumteam just because of that happening. Rather it should be the opposite, usually.

What? I don't understand anything you say here.


Referring to ritoky's post where he made the unflipped association case (and for a reason that wouldn't make it good even if it was flipped).

"It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread."
what are you referring here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:06 GMT
#192
On January 14 2016 18:05 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:01 Xatalos wrote:
To be fair, I voted you just because of Palmar's funny post. And I voted for Ace because he seemed the least willing to put forth any useful effort. Maybe some votes could pressure him into doing stuff. If not, well... There could be worse lynches.

this too.
Ace seems to be putting in effort but you are voting for him so he would put in effort?


Hm? I said the opposite?

oh right... i read "the = at"
rofl
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:07 GMT
#194
Ahh okay.. now i see what you mean..
hmm.. it actually makes sense.
Maybe ritoky is town too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:08 GMT
#197
Okay you get to go to townpile too Xatalos.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:15 GMT
#200
On January 14 2016 18:10 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahh okay.. now i see what you mean..
hmm.. it actually makes sense.
Maybe ritoky is town too.


How did you come to ritoky is town btw? I was really just saying that ritoky's post didn't make much sense...

Wait what the fuck.. I did misunderstand what you were saying again?

What i realized is that if ritoky is mafia, and Trfel is mafia, it doesn't make sense to scumread Trfel for what he did based on meta (which should not be the case anyways). So therefore i think they are not mafia together.

It makes equally low amount of sense to associate Trfel and DYH ( (1) in case they are both town -- (2) or even if DYH is scum) because he is (1) either putting himself into a situation where he is "making enemies with two townies" for no real reason or (2) putting "suspicion" on scumbuddy over basically nothing.

I think the town motivation here is stronger than the mafia one, actually i can't see mafia motivation at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:19 GMT
#201
raynpelikoneet wrote:
ritoky please, elaborate this. I also think the associative read on DYH is... meh..

On January 14 2016 17:59 Xatalos wrote:
Btw yeah, I forgot to mention this one. It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread. It makes even less sense to suspect them as a scumteam just because of that happening. Rather it should be the opposite, usually.

Since i apparently misunderstood what you were saying; walk me through this;
You bolded that part in my post. You responded with the quote above. Who are you talking about in your quoted post if the conclusion is...
I was really just saying that ritoky's post didn't make much sense...

??????
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:21 GMT
#203
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:25 GMT
#207
On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.


Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly.

I don't see why ritoky:
1).."makes enemies" with two townies
2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%)

..when he can just.. not to do that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:26 GMT
#208
And he doesn't make sense as scum with Trfel anyways.
Because as scum you will definitely hold off making meta-cases, especially on your scumbuddies, that's just plain out dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:33 GMT
#211
We'll see what he says.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 14 2016 09:37 GMT
#214
VE i don't think that explains what i am asking.
I am talking about this set of posts you made:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 14 2016 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:13 Trfel wrote:
DoYouHas is Mafia

First three posts. I (Trfel) post, then raynpelikoneet posts, then DoYouHas posts.
On January 14 2016 09:02 DoYouHas wrote:
Howdy rayn,

I rolled town, how about you?
Why does he only care about raynpelikoneet?

There is no town motivation for this post, because as town, DoYouHas needs to figure out the alignment of everyone else in the game. This post is filled with mafia motivation, as it is a clear attempt to buddy with raynpelikoneet.
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.
And then he responds with self meta, completely unprompted? He's completely ignoring the rest of the thread, and doesn't even care about raynpelikoneet's response.

One down, two to go

This is......................not enough for me. I want alot more substance.

On January 14 2016 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:46 Palmar wrote:
so who's on board with lynching rayn just to piss him off because he spent time sending out invites and gathering people to play a "good" game?

It's such a dick move I love it.

Do you think he's mafia?

On January 14 2016 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:35 Trfel wrote:
DoYouHas is town

DoYouHas' posting has felt very relaxed and natural this game, while at the same time being eager to start finding mafia. Both of these make me feel that DoYouHas is town, especially combined.

Example of his relaxed tone:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.

Example of being eager to have the game move forward:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2016 09:09 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 09:06 Trfel wrote:
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.
Glad to know that I can put you out of your misery


Bring it on, we need a little friction to get this thread moving.
On January 14 2016 09:11 DoYouHas wrote:
Do you have experience with people claiming town on their first post being untrustworthy? Or maybe you were offended that I talked to rayn when you were the first post?


And yes, this time I'm serious.

I need to head out now. I might be back later this evening, but I may not be back until tomorrow morning.

wtf -.-

Fine I'll read the whole thread and THEN post.

Now i am assuming you read the thread and however much (or few) attention you paid to the thread at that time you commented on posts you found interesting. So first is the Trfel's "scumread" on DYH. The problem i have here is that Palmar's post you quoted happened after the Trfel's townread post on DYH.

Now it is natural that you comment on it, and it makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why you skip that post at first and comment on Palmar's post - - and only then come back to comment on it?
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