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On January 14 2016 19:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.
I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia. Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly. I don't see why ritoky: 1).."makes enemies" with two townies 2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%) ..when he can just.. not to do that. This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense. clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here. And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance. I have explained it rayn, you're just barely reading the thread so you don't notice. You're making an associative read based on your own misrepresentation. If ritoky is not mafia, then this is not the reason he is not mafia. Well I guess it's true that that's a pretty weak reason to townread ritoky... Is it still clearly an "agenda"? Would he stubbornly defend either his teammate or some random townie for no real benefit?
The benefit would absolutely be there if I hadn't caught him.
rayn is on thin ice now and it's cracking. He's been caught on three different things now.
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Actually, four different things.
There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it.
I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn.
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On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote:
Actually, four different things.
There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it.
I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn. See here again... Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC!
You are blatantly misrepresenting my point.
You can disagree with me, but you should not think I'm mafia (ie: vote) me because of it.
Like this is probably the most obvious instance of you intentionally trying to deceive the thread.
What I actually said:
"Rayn should be calling me mafia even if he disagrees, because my points are good"
What you're trying to convince people I said
"Rayn shouldn't disagree with me, because my points are good".
It's subtle, but it's 100% accurate.
Nailed you scum 
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It will be interesting to see which people in the thread let this transgression slide instead of acting on it. It is one of the most slam dunk cases I have seen in recent history.
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I'd like to hear both of your thoughts (rit, xat) on that latest development in rayn's dodgy posting. I broke down why he is guilty.
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On January 14 2016 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
Aren't you a bit too sure about rayn, Palmar? I don't think you can be that sure based on that evidence.
Dunno how rayn is so sure about Palmar being scum either.
+ Show Spoiler [pssst] +I'm not 100% sure, but when pushing a case it helps acting relatively confident to build support
rayn on the other hand has realized he needs to OMGUS me.
I am too good to not notice if he starts talking about other people now. I will be able to make associative alignment calls so easily. So his only real option is to try to turn things around on me. It's a smart play. It's not gonna work, but it's still the smartest play when he gets caught red handed like this.
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Let's play: "how much false evidence can you put in one post!"
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:24 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote:
Actually, four different things.
There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it.
I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn. See here again... Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC! You are blatantly misrepresenting my point. You can disagree with me, but you should not think I'm mafia (ie: vote) me because of it. Like this is probably the most obvious instance of you intentionally trying to deceive the thread. What I actually said: "Rayn should be calling me mafia even if he disagrees, because my points are good" What you're trying to convince people I said "Rayn shouldn't disagree with me, because my points are good". It's subtle, but it's 100% accurate. Nailed you scum That is not what i am saying at all. I am suggesting your points on me are just you making my posts fit your invented narrative instead of trying to figure out why i actually post the stuff that i do and why do i make the conclusions i do and from which side it does make sense.
No, that's NOT what you said, what you said was:
On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too...
Which is precisely what I said you had.
Lies: 1
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You just say half-arsed things like the townread is "wrong" without ever pointing out WHY you think it is wrong, or WHY does me being wrong make me mafia.
I already explained it, it's not the reason ritoky is not mafia. Read before you criticize.
Lies: 2
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't make "bullshit town cases" on people as mafia, you know that Palmar, you know that very well.
Lies: 3
Rayn often makes completely insane cases on people (see XXX for example) when he's mafia.
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your suggestion that i am mafia -- and ritoky is town, is fucking absurd,
I never said ritoky was town. I said he might be, and if he was, your reasoning was not the reason why. In fact, I was clearly skeptical on his alignment.
Lies: 4
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because that's not how i play as scum. I would never make that read on town!ritoky if i was mafia, it just doesn't benefit me at all.
Sure it benefits you, if you get away with making an easy townread, either on scumbuddy or a townie, that's good for you.
Lies: 5
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then you have your Xatalos post misrepresentation shit. That doesn't make any sense at all since first of all you didn't even read my further elaboration on it. When people pointed out you are actually approaching the situation with false premises, instead of taking this into account and re-thinking your stance on the original accusation -- you make a stretch on saying "well you did that first, now you are just covering up when it didn't fly" which is literally just bull-fucking-shit.
IT is pretty fucking clear that's NOT what i did, nor is it anything i would EVER do.
This is not true, I was very clear from the beginning what I was saying, which is why VE immediately understood and actually compounded my arguments.
Lies: 6
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Furthermore you add "oh he also misrepresented Ace" which i have literally NEVER EVER done.
I explained how you did that it my post about the DOUBLE misrepresentation.
Lies: 7
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And now, now you are saying i should conclude that your analysis are "thoughtful and insightful", and if i don't then i am ALSO mafia for that. No Palmar, your analysis are not thoughtful nor are they insightful. They are half-arsed and you are scum for it.
This is subjective, I believe people will appreciate my efforts here, but I cannot outright call it a lie, because it's not objectively false like most everything else you've written.
Nice job rayn, you're building my case for me.
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On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum.
I have never engaged you 1v1 as mafia.
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On January 14 2016 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 20:17 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum. I have never engaged you 1v1 as mafia. If i prove this to be incorrect do you agree you are scum?
I cannot agree I am scum, but feel free to prove me wrong.
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On January 14 2016 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I know that very well, are you again not reading very well? Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum. tsk tsk... I repeat my question, if i prove you have 1v1'd me as scum do you agree you are scum?
yes
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so instead of looking at a recent game you dig up a very old game with two different mafia families (giving me a completely different mindset than the perfect information available to me as normal scum), and another one where I WAS FUCKING MAFIA WITH YOU (I do not remember this one).
How either of those are relevant is beyond me.
Your efforts are laughable. You try to discredit me and it only makes me stronger. I'm the fucking Donald Trump of mafia.
Get rekt.
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On January 14 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing i am going to say is that Thug life game is pretty much the same as here. Where you take certain posts of mine out of the context and/or invent a conclusion and then start putting things into place so they fit. FYI it's one of the best cases i have ever made in that game, because it actually showed a complete lack of critical thinking from you.
nice narrative scum
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On January 14 2016 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just humor me a moment Palmar. Where did VE agree with you?
I didn't say that.
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On January 14 2016 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then you have your Xatalos post misrepresentation shit. That doesn't make any sense at all since first of all you didn't even read my further elaboration on it. When people pointed out you are actually approaching the situation with false premises, instead of taking this into account and re-thinking your stance on the original accusation -- you make a stretch on saying "well you did that first, now you are just covering up when it didn't fly" which is literally just bull-fucking-shit.
IT is pretty fucking clear that's NOT what i did, nor is it anything i would EVER do. This is not true, I was very clear from the beginning what I was saying, which is why VE immediately understood and actually compounded my arguments. Then what do you mean by this?
I immediately retract that statement.
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Good list except mafiarayn should be in your red.
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if rayn thinks I'm so mafia why is he not drumming up support to try to kill me
checkmate.
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On January 14 2016 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:not for the reasons you pointed out though.
The classic "you caught me for the wrong reasons".
If it helps you get past it, fine.
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