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someone's gonna drop out anyways and i can play two games at once. | ||
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On January 08 2016 13:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote: /in !! | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:43 Koshi wrote: sup rayn. Let's catch them scummers together this game. yes | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:50 GiygaS wrote: Before I leave if there's a vanilla townie, should they claim? It would give us useful setup info and maybe confirm someone right? I don't think they should. Mafia knows the setup is possibly with named VT or not. It is actually better to not let them know if we have a cop or vigilante if that is the case. | ||
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It has nothing to do with it. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:56 slOosh wrote: Hey rayn could you walk me through your GiygaS read? I believe the first thing mafia does here is to read the possible setups and see what roles they have in scum QT. Depending on if they have GF or Framer they can poe the setup down to two possibilities, right? Now GiygaS knows -- definitely, that there is a named VT in one of the setups, that is proven by the fact he talks about it. But the wording "vanilla town" instead of "named VT" is careless. I find it way more likely to come from a town -- because scum tend to carefully choose their wording when they talk about something specific, as miswording stuff makes you possibly being questioned about a "fuckup" (like we see here happening). So based on GiygaS post about if the named VT should claim or not, i think it far more likely it comes from a townie based on above. | ||
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On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote: Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. Can you quote the part of the OP where you get the bolded impression? | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:18 VayneAuthority wrote: I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there would you want to elaborate more on that? | ||
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But again, we come to the fact that mafia already knows if there is a possible medic or not... It's not relevant to the "if named VT should claim" discussion. Also there is no medic in those setups... | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:41 Koshi wrote: They had a jk which is a medic. Can you explain to me ow this could ever make me mafia? I thought it could, as there is a possibility of you trying to cover your sayings based on something you didn't base them in the first place. i.e. the real setup --> the example in OP. You are right, it doesn't mean anything most likely. | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:46 Tubesock wrote: Is this going to be another game where people get towned for dumb tells or not reading the OP? who is reading anyone town based on them not reading the OP? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia idk... i found his questions for me and GGTemplar to be quite decent. Like i agree that the question to GGT is weirdly worded but i found his first post odd aswell and basically thought about the same thing he did. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more. GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. Okay so... I guess you asked me about GiygaS based on this post here: On January 09 2016 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have tentative townreads on kush, mderg, GiygaS and maybe Koshi. What makes you ask about GiygaS and not about any other reads of mine? I mean, why did you single out GiygaS over all the other people in this post? Also if you agree with my townread on GiygaS whay isn't he your townread atm? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:40 slOosh wrote: I asked specifically about GiygaS because I took his initial wording as more scum vibe. It's really awkward that a VT would say "vanilla town" and not differentiate that he is talking about the Named VT, and I think blue roles are somewhat unlikely to want to talk about role claiming and whatnot, which leaves perhaps a careless scum post. I don't agree with the conclusion of your townread but I understand it and find it logical. Okay that makes sense. | ||
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I liked his post where he stated he is going to be more active this game than usual. It is true that he usually (from what i remember) get scumread for lack of activity and promising more activity i conder to be a towntell -- since he could just "follow his inactive meta" as mafia and then, if people scumread him for it, say that it goes along with his meta and is not a reason to scumread him for. | ||
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actually nevermind, i retract from the townread on him. I totally misremembered what slOosh's scumplay looks like... | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:00 Koshi wrote: I agree that "Watch very closely" is a better status than "Don't think he is scum" Yeah i like.. I remembered the game on top of my head, the game Ver hosted a couple of years ago (where i think was the last time i saw slOosh play scum) --Sicilian mafia style. There i felt like slOosh had really hard time giving any opinion on anything and didn't follow up on his posts at all, couldn't explain himself at all. Which was different from the game i played on with him later on where he was town. I felt the early activity, him explaining himself and seemingly trying to figure out things made way more sense from him as town. Then i went to the database and looked his latest games. He's actually "nowadays" way more aggressive than he has been before, as town. And as scum... well not that much, but he still provides thoughts and shit. I actually think your argument on him being scum is at least reasonable. Too early to tell imo, but yes, it makes sense. | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i agree that read on you VA is not good at all... It's like "well i think VA is scum but he could also be town if that's how he plays as town -- cba to figure out though". Like why give a conditional read like that when you can just go to the database and see if it checks out or not? | ||
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I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative. Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl). So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment. | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:27 GiygaS wrote: There's still no named vt in the op, so it can't be the difference between anything if you're basing it on that. boxer = named VT | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote: Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason. Is there a reason why this is scummy/weird for mderg but not for kush? | ||
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I understand the townie motive on the "makes sense" thingy Eden is questioning you about (although you can probably answer him on it yourself). What i don't understand is the following: - You scumread GiygaS - You ask me why i townread him. - I tell you why i townread him. - You say it makes sense but don't agree with the conclusion. (although you only state that later on, but it happens here) - I ask you for your reads. - You tell me one of the people who doesn't stand out is GiygaS Now how do the red and the green part go together? There should be nothing inbetween that makes you change your mind on GiygaS from "scum" --> "doesn't stand out" (no, the bolded part doesn't do that as you literally state that you don't agree with me). | ||
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On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote: You do read what I say! I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. | ||
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On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote: Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. You answer your bolded text here in the next sentence. There is literally zero reason to pressure inactive people because they don't answer and there is nothing to pressure them for... And Koshi probably reads Noonian mafia because Noonian is currently in two games and he is active in the other game. I can't go more into the reasoning since talking about ongoing games is forbidden but regardless of Noonian's alignment in the other game Koshi's logic makes sense, although i do not agree with it (see what i did there Eden ). | ||
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- darthfoley you are doing fine. there is no need for joining NSM games first. Just explain yourself as clearly as you can. Not all people think the same way but if you are town you have a reasonable explanation behind what you say. It should be enough for smart people to townread you in case you're town. "wow i am so bad" won't get you anywhere nor does playing the newbie card. - Eden can you please consolidate your posts? I mean like the use less words for the stuff you say. You don't need to say every single thing that comes to your mind. For example your first post about your reads on me and GiygaS could probably be said in about 20 words, but instead it's a massive wall of text i now regret i read.. Also writing many words does not get you townread, not for me, and shouldn't for anyone else either. | ||
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GiygaS - town slOosh - scum mderg - town Nooniansoong - town boxerfred - null Tubesock - scum Koshi - town VayneAuthority - town GGTeMpLaR - null Kmatt - null Is there anything we disagree here? I purposely left darthfoley out because you are questioning him and i don't wanna affect that regardless of my read on him. | ||
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On January 09 2016 18:27 Eden1892 wrote: I have next to zero opinion on any of Vayne, mderg or noonian. Put a gun to my head and I say "Vayne is town" and "I don't fucking know about the other two, put that gun down bro." Only thing I see you saying about mderg so far is a tentative town read on him. I think mderg has said nothing to make me feel either way about him. You call him town, is that still "tentative" or did something solidify that for you that I didn't see? Same question with kushoonian actually. yeah actually i don't mderg is town anymore. At the time it had to do with the frequency he responded to the GiygaS "vanilla town" issue and didn't push it further -- as him as kush (noonian) were saying something completely dumb. I liked kush's question for Koshi at the start of the game. It looked like he was actually trying to play the game. Yes this read is too fading atm... Basically both of this and the mderg reads were somewhat loaded discussion. I don't think they are scum and compared to null/scum reads on my list they look better but i wouldn't exactly call them "town". However VA is one of my strongest townreads. His play is this normal Vayne "here's what i think -- no bullshit" townplay so far. He posts what he thinks (usually like "i think this guy is scum") without any reasoning and also answers questions when asked about the reads he has. I find this very characteristic to his townplay whereas as scum i can usually tell quite early he is pushing some sort of agenda. I can't see that here. | ||
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On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote: Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways? | ||
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I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS. I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town. meh.. | ||
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On January 10 2016 04:04 slOosh wrote: rayn could you explain how VayneAuthority is town? How much does my alignment say in the matter? i did that already.... your alignment doesn't matter at all here. | ||
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i'll read the thread again from where i left last night when i get back here.. Mainly slOosh, mderg and boxerfred. Kmatt's absence is alarming aswell, he clearly knows the game is on as he has posted after the game start... | ||
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I am quite certain Eden, VA, darthfoley are town. GiygaS...not gonna lynch on D1 most likely, especially if he keeps his activity up and is being reasonable. Koshi and GGTemplar look fine as for now. | ||
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There is something wrong in the jump on him / Koshi, idk what.. but i think there is, that whole thing seemed so unnatural. It didn't feel right at all. | ||
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On January 10 2016 08:19 Eden1892 wrote: I think I'm also ok with mderg for now. The series of posts he had when ray asked him for scum reads and he goes "man now I gotta try" and then immediately cranked out two reads makes me think he really was paying attention and had something to share. Looked good. Yeah this is basically the impression i got aswell. What bothered me was the read on darthfoley. I don't mind any other of his posts...but like..ugh, idk why anyone should scumread darth. It's really clear that he is town. yes he has made some "mistakes" in his posting but like, goddamn it's so obvious. | ||
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On January 10 2016 09:50 Koshi wrote: Tubesock, boxerfred and 1 out of Sloosh and VA. Care to walk me through with why Kmatt or mderg can't be scum and why VA is scum? | ||
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On January 10 2016 09:57 Koshi wrote: 3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win. 4) atm I like sloosh for mafia better though. Him scumreading VA and mderg and hard townreading boxerfred for a simple reason makes it easier to see him in a team with boxer. Kinda simplistic but I like it. The problem with this is the following: You can't just say "if slOosh is town then VA is pushing mafia agenda". If slOosh is town the case on him from VA doesn't in itself tell anything. The way VA pushes it is townie. You know the dude. Can you show me some example(s) that contradict the statement of mine? | ||
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 I'll look into it again first thing tomorrow. I just don't think VA is scum, but a reminder to myself; Why the fuck does slOosh townread boxerfred? | ||
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On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote: This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum you are right.. this is really weird... | ||
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On January 10 2016 17:20 slOosh wrote: and rayn, if you could, please provide a game for me where vayne did nothing because I don't see one as either alignment and if it's a different playstyle than ever played, then meta doesn't count for much [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia [N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... that would be 2/3 of his last towngames where he has been vanilla... | ||
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You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here: On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote: Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi? | ||
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On January 10 2016 18:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I want to lynch mderg slightly less than sloosh and boxerfred. I have absolutely no idea why boxerfred should be considered town. slOosh's reasoning is pure crap, "asking why people townread the guy he is voting for is a towntell"? lol. I need to re-check what was going on in the thread but it feels like boxerfred is following certain thread sentiments (things i consider being accusations against townies) and ignoring other stuff (accusations i consider being against possible mafia). | ||
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On January 10 2016 19:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=13#259 I really liked this read from him The problem with the read is it doesn't make any sense based on what he said earlier: - He asks Koshi a question (indicating Koshi could be scum for that), here: On January 09 2016 08:37 nooniansoong wrote: Why do you want to try hard this game? In your last two town games you opened with how you didn't want to try. I don't understand why would you EVER ask something from anyone unless you think the answer they give could make them mafia. - Here is what he says about Koshi's answer: On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote: Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, So he comes to the conclusion Koshi's answer is leaning town. Okay, let's go to the reasoning why he comes to this conclusion, which is the post you pointed out: On January 10 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote: I like this thoughtful question from rayn. Actually I didn't know what to think of what koshi said in the moment I asked him about it. I thought to myself.. why would koshi open in the opposite way of his last two games? And I thought him answering my question might help me get a better idea of his motivation behind it. Koshi didn't give me a helpful answer, which in itself made me lean townie on him slightly because he didn't feel the need to satisfy me. So summa summarium.... Noonian asks Koshi something that could indicate Koshi is mafia. Koshi gives him an answer that doesn't help him in any way, and he comes to the conclusion that it is a TOWNTELL?!?!? - so scumtell becomes a towntell because the guy doesn't reasonably explain himself. Another thing is this: On January 10 2016 01:21 nooniansoong wrote: most games you do play like oatsmaster though. very little content, mostly one liners, hard to read. This is enough to placeholder my vote on vayne. "weird comments" - it's scummy to call something weird "nitpicking completely useless things" - it didn't seem any more useless than what other people were talking about at the time "telling others to do work" - misconstruing asking questions as telling others to do work. "struggling to create a filter" - this is the kind of generic wording that comes from scum so often. Also I do not understand how someone can draw that conclusion from sloosh's filter. Plus vayne doubles as a plynch anyway so there's that. This post is incredibly fishy because of the following: - He is voting for VayneAuthority as a placeholder - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he did something scummy - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he is a good policy lynch placeholder != scumread != policy lynch There is literally no way VayneAuthority is all that at the same time. Or like... ugh.. how to explain it.. He is making up reasons for voting for VA, since if you scumread someone as town you vote for them because you think they are scum, NOT because they are a "placeholder vote" or "policy lynch". Third point is that was basically all his filter. | ||
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On January 10 2016 19:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I think sloosh and boxer are both better lynches than noon. Shit I even think darth/mberg are better lynches than noon. If you switch "better lynches than noon" --> "reasonable lynches", first part agreed, second part disagreed. | ||
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On January 10 2016 04:18 VayneAuthority wrote: He is some one that needs a larger filter to read, lynching him day 1 would be useless/bad. especially since he can find scum if you give him time How on earth do you come to this conclusion? Can you point out some games where you base this on? | ||
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On January 10 2016 19:46 mderg wrote: I really like this post. That reason giygas gave for scumreading Tubesock looks fabricated. So is this a reason for you to scumread GiygaS? If it is, what in GiygaS' answer to the concerns here does not make sense? | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: GiygaS My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. Basically this post comes down to: - "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it." - Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it. | ||
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You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:39 mderg wrote: I think it's a good reason to scumread someone. Wouldn't you also ask for more reasoning on the townreads instead of scumreading Tubesock? Yeah it is, except that when GiygaS explains it, it isn't anymore in case you believe him. So the case becomes "do you believe GiygaS' answer or not, and if not, why?" | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? I also would like to remind you that this is not a joke. | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote: Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. If the quote above is wrong why did you write it? I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia. On January 10 2016 21:12 Tubesock wrote: Who cares if they are easy or not? Do you give a shit if someone comes up with the same read as you in a very difficult way? They're easy because they were my first and early. I care if they are easy or not, and everyone else should aswell. "because they were my first and early" doesn't really count as an answer since you made the post after 24hours into the game. Like what are you saying? You don't re-consider your reads at all? If they were early reads why didn't you point out those guys in your opinion are town earlier? Why did you have to wait such a long time instead of trying to move the town into right track and removing mafia possibilities if those reads were easy from the beginning? | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:16 Tubesock wrote: and unlike you, I liked Nooniansoongs question to Koshi about his tryharding / different opening from his last two games. And I like how Noon arrived at his townread of Koshi because he thought that a mafiaKoshi would try to emulate his most recent town games in a forum where so many love meta and his other point that Koshi felt no need to answer him where mafia tends to be more sensitive. And this doesn't make any sense as if you think the green part is correct, then the red part should have never happened in the first place because the conclusion is already there without the question!!! Also Noonian literally said that's NOT how it went down. | ||
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On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote: Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon. There is no possible way you think this. No FUCKING way if you are town. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock Good job man, you just earned my vote for eternity. Even if you are town you are mafia. Second of all the case on GiygaS is fucking crap. So fucking crap. If you people can't understand that he is clearly questioning reads WHICH REASONING MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE (since he LITERALLY ONLY TALKS ABOUT THOSE TWO READS) and twist it into some stupid fucking "i had same reads bla bla bullshit" then you are just awful at reading motivation behind posting, or twisting the facts. The fucking fact is he is singling out two reads because the REASONING DOES NOT MAKE SENSE -- AND THERE IS, WAS, AND STILL ISNT ANY REASONING FOR THOSE READS!!!!! It is clear what GiygaS is trying to say -- regardless of how he words it. And Tubesock can't even fucking explain those reads of his while asked multiple times to do that. Then, go ahead and lynch VA then. I don't give any shits. He's not mafia. He is just not mafia and i am using my tomorrow to ask every single person who voted for him these questions: 1) why didn't you read his past games? 2) Why didn't you believe the person who in almost every single game where VA is is the only reason he lives and most likely gets lynched the next day rayn dies because people are fucking awful at reading him? slOosh since you are so on top of your game, especially as you promoted "critical filter reading" based on the nature of the game explain me this: [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia [N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Go read these two filters and tell me who are the people VA talks about in these games, 36hours into the game. I mean actually things that are not jokes??? | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:42 slOosh wrote: At this point I'm also quite interested in seeing how rayn follows up on the Tubesock thing. It felt somewhat dismissive and exaggerated. the dude is fucking scum. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:14 slOosh wrote: When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific? Yes, i do want something specific. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:50 slOosh wrote: Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior. this is a post #286: On January 10 2016 02:04 slOosh wrote: @Eden concerning Koshi
Point 1 and 2 go together in saying that Koshi has been posting frequently, but the content of his filter is lacking. you are lying, you are mafia. ##unvote ##vote slOosh Here slOosh is telling Eden why Koshi is mafia. But he says he townread Koshi 20 posts before this as per his statement right now. Mafia is slOosh, Tubesock and kush. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:57 slOosh wrote: 268 not 286 yeah you now said you started townreading Koshi at point A. But at point B (which is after A) you tell Edenwhy you think Koshi is mafia. So one of your statements must be a lie. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:54 slOosh wrote: + Show Spoiler [I Still Can't Believe it'…] + On June 06 2015 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: i think mig is still a good lynch tbh, all this confirmed is that the guy is town and giving a genuine opinion on mig. On June 07 2015 05:47 VayneAuthority wrote: Chezinu is a good lynch tbh if im going to actually try this game again. I don't think its feasible to make it happen today though perhaps next cycle On June 07 2015 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont think yamato is mafia but dont mind if he dies. hes basically just IamRobik except he doesnt ever get warned for behavior somehow even though every post he makes is a personal insult + Show Spoiler [VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunni…] + On February 15 2015 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: Kelsier is tricky, I think he just likes making really bad posts that come across as forced scum posts. He did this last game too and he was town. He seems to do the same thing to me and reads my posts as scum every game On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts On February 16 2015 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote: idk i actually think its a shitty read reading over his filter again but generally he has only asked for other people's scumreads and their opinions and stuff, lots of questions but nothing from him. He townreads various random people but I dont feel like he is exactly trying to solve the game here. African Horn Mafia he looked much different in from what I observed + Show Spoiler [Unoriginal Name Mafia] + On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote: If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point Yes I do still think that he is putting even less effort into this game compared to the two mentioned. No he is not. In all of the games, based on the timeline, he has found 1 scumread he is pushing. I don't care if he has or hasn't got any off-hand comments about other people that don't really say anything. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote: You think Tubesock is a better shot than Boxer? I think the aggression in his case on me was to compensate his lack of real scumhunting emotions. I also find him to be more appealing than normally. More moderate. Hard to explain. Dnu. Really think his filter looks mafia. But Tubesock can really be mafia. I am just thinking boxer is the better lynch if we got to pick one out them. Tubesock might do something later. yes, the dude can't possibly think i am more likely to be mafia than non-existent kush who he doesn't even seem to have a read on (townread based on one question is fucking bullshit). | ||
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If you are not purposefully throwing the game then every single thing you say has a townie agenda that you can explain. It must have, there is no other option. Telling people why they should reasonably scumread you is not an explanation -- because you already claim you are doing something that is not townie. It's really simple. Townies do townie things. Townies never do scummy things. Townies don't say the things they do are a reason to scumread them, they EXPLAIN why the things they do are townie. | ||
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Nooniansoong/boxerfred/Tubesock/Kmatt. Easily. Kmatt is just a coin-flip. I guess people aren't gonna believe me on kush. boxerfred is an okay lynch. Tubesock is scum. | ||
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Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for". The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable". It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it. What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally). | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:49 slOosh wrote: I understand what you are saying but I still think it's something a town could do. It's like if you were playing town, and (b/c of active mafia mudslinging or something) people suspect you as mafia for a certain vote sequence. Then some dude comes along and says "you know, I think rayn is mafia, because he didn't use as many exclamation marks in his posts that he usually does". You would somewhat understand if people bandwagon for reasons that are out there, but it's really strange for someone to be bringing in reasons that don't make sense. Except that GiygaS' reasoning is very clear. Very very clear and makes sense, especially when taken his explanation and comparing it to how he presented the argument. You can't just do this: - Well GiygaS is scum for A. - But he didn't do A, he in fact did B. - Well, GiygaS is scum for A. The whole argument in itself is a misrepresentation of GiygaS posts and motivation behind them, and Tubesock doesn't even consider that when GiygaS and me BOTH explain why this is the case.. Instead he just keeps hammering the same point, which simply cannot be true as it is basically proven false (unless he wants to argue why the explanation does not make sense -- which he isn't doing either). | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:01 Tubesock wrote: My admitting my 3 posts were scummy is meant to show that GiygaS's read is fabricated. see you admitted you did something scummy. | ||
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And again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again THIS IS NOT WHAT HE DID!?!?! Are you just incapable of reading people's posts or why are you this obtuse? | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:04 slOosh wrote: The point that Tubesock is making is that while there is nothing wrong with that, it's weird to vote for someone because of it. GiygaS is voting for Tubesock because he found it scummy that he has an unexplained townreads on you and kush -- which he considers UNREASONABLE because Tubesock literally states his reads on you two are easy townreads -- which means they are strong! If GiygaS himself reads you two town has fucking nothing to do with the fact that calling you and kush, at that point of the game STRONG TOWNREADS is just simply UNREASONABLE and cannot be explained in a townie way (look at the fucking explanation Tubesock gives to this later on -- "the reads were early, therefore easy", wtf is this bullshit????). Tubesock pushes a different matter than this, he pushes GiygaS for a narrative that if he reads the same people town than he does, he cannot scumread him. That is just simply untrue, this game doesn't work like that. I often times ask people why they scumread the same people i do because often times people do not see the same things i do. Later on GiygaS even explains why Tubesock's case is a misrepresentation (yes, everything he has said since comes to this point -- and "other people scumreading me too" is not a reason to NOT scumread anyone, ever). It is very easy to tell GiygaS is most likely telling the truth here because in the first place he literally asked about JUST those two reads. The explanation fits the motivation. Instead of arguing why this is not the case Tubesock ignores the explanation and keeps on pushing the original point. And THAT is scummy. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:04 Tubesock wrote: This is correct. This isn't what happened. Except that's literally what your original case says. Here i quote it for you: On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: GiygaS My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. Literally everything after that is making conclusions based on the narrative you invented. | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush? | ||
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Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:32 Koshi wrote: Yeah kush is playing exactly the same as last towngame. no | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:40 Tubesock wrote: Might as well cahnge now, Noon lynch isn't happening. Neither is GiygaS so your vote is completely useless aswell. You are not even trying to get people on him. Fucking these guys are scum. These both guys, kush and this dude are mafia. | ||
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On January 10 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote: I still have to catch up. I was busy yesterday but I will find some time later today Doesn't basically do anything after that, except for: On January 11 2016 05:43 nooniansoong wrote: I'm still comfortable with a vayne lynch despite not being very confident that he's scum. And VA hasn't posted anything after he scumread him -- like real scumread him, for actual "reasons". Now they are not reasons anymore??? | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote: Unless i've missed it, Tubesock hasn't provided any reads on anyone outside of GiygaS, excluding the initial early "reads" who deemed to be scummy. He's spent the last day repeating the same argument for only one person. Like what? true, but people are incapable of seeing that. you should vote for kush. | ||
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You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:58 slOosh wrote: I'll switch if you can help me understand this part. noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched. it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:02 slOosh wrote: Don't worry rayn - I think you (and rest of town) are having a tough time b/c scum team is not an active one so it's hard to grasp onto stuff. Yeah it's probably the only explanation. There should be no way you lynch mafia with 3 votes in a normal game. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:05 darthfoley wrote: So the night phase is basically the same in terms of posting and whatever? yes. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:05 mderg wrote: Also fuck you rayn for making me last minute switch my vote it doesn't matter, you switched to scum most likely. | ||
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idk. I don't know why he didn't vote for his counter-wagon. There should be no reason to not. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:10 Tubesock wrote: There is. But you don't deserve the answer. are u mad bcz scumbuddy flipped? | ||
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Game should be easy. I am just waiting for who mafia wants to call scum here. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote: I second that motion. I want to hear what he has to say now that we got a scum flip day 1 lynch who? me? | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:18 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia Rayne would have hammered/stayed on me and saved Boxer. obviously, especially since Koshi was willing to vote with me. Maybe you are town after all. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:21 slOosh wrote: Hey rayn, I was wondering if you could help me understand what I should expect from town VA vs scum VA tomorrow. Because my current pool is noon, kmatt / scott and if its not both of them then VA. I agree 100% with the current pool of your candidates. I don't wanna say what i would expect from VA, i'll tell you after he posts. He is a guy whose strengths lay in voting / nk analysis so there should be alot info for him atm. | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush? | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote: Think my priority is: (1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush (2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing **(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on. (** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to) On January 11 2016 13:34 Eden1892 wrote: This sequence confuses me. If kush is playing similarly to his last town game, then what does it matter what his content level is, mderg? Why did you switch your vote? ..... Are you actually going to figure out what you said you would or do something else? | ||
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On January 11 2016 10:15 Tubesock wrote: I am curious to hear if there is a single one of you with a TR on me. So, you all think I am mafia. Boxerfred flipped Roleblocker. That means mafia preferred to save me instead of him. Which would be insanely dumb if I were goon. So, I would have the horrific bad luck to roll Godfather (framer possible) for the 4th game in a row. That doesn't make sense, or like.. you should not use this as a defense. Since it's perfectly possible you are mafia given you not voting for your counter-wagon, which kinda is -- if you are town, throwing the game, since you know you are town and you cannot know for sure if boxerfred is town, not to even mention you didn't even think he is town. So yeah, it makes perfect sense in case you are for example vanilla mafia. To try to get NOT the mafia roleblocker lynched. If you are mafia with any of kush/VA/scott -- it makes sense, because there was nothing more you could do. So please, don't even try to play the "it doesn't make sense" since it's simply untrue. I wanna say though.. that you should not be considered as a lynch on D2 since it is kinda unlike the town had two mafia wagons as main wagons on D1. And you started making more sense after D1 anyways. | ||
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On January 11 2016 13:55 darthfoley wrote: Why have some people decided mderg is confirmed town? Because at the end of the day his vote would most likely have been on Tubesock in case he is mafia. The vote switch means simply nothing because it makes zero sense from mafia perspective, there is just no mafia motivation for the switch. | ||
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On January 11 2016 13:52 Eden1892 wrote: I'm doing what I think I need to do to figure out the game. Don't try to bullshit me. Why do you litrerally say you need to figure out the Tubesock/GiygaS issue and VA/kush, then proceed to do something completely different? | ||
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On January 11 2016 21:26 nooniansoong wrote: As rayns official butt busy do you think it's possible he's scum or should I not even bark up that tree What do you think or are you gonna give only scum or town answers to all of people? | ||
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Here are basically the most important things on D1: 1) cases on slOosh 2) cases on Koshi 3) GiygaS - Tubesock interaction and their cases on each other 4) The EoD and lynch Let's see what kush had to say about these: 1) no comments 2) weird read 3) townreads both, but doesn't comment on the interaction between them in ANY way at all 4) at some point says "i am not sure at all if vayne is scum anymore" (why?). then says "i am okay with lynching boxerfred also". ---> keeps his vote on vayne because "policy lynch". Yes Koshi, very much interaction with the thread and on important matters... | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:27 Koshi wrote: He is town because he broke up the Tubesock wagon by voting you. Which made me move to boxerfred. We can argue that this argument is m00t if Tubesock is mafia, beacuse then rayn attempted to move everybody from Tube to you to save both his teammates. But really... Are we going there? Like even if Tubesock if mafia, he did it in a really bad way. Way too late. Other than that his filter is fine enough to townread anyway. Yes this is right. If i am scum i am scum exactly with Tubesock. Then you have to argue why my vote didn't go on GiygaS earlier -- and why did i scumread Tubesock harder than GiygaS from their argument (i didn't really have to, and i actually fucked up a bit there with my reading comprehension -- which i pointed out at some point, and which was the reason i didn't vote Tubesock at the end of the day). You can also argue why i am - -as the most active player in this game -- incapable of realizing the thread sentiment moving to lynching boxerfred from all the people (well i nthis case from my scumbuddy), and why was i okay with it, and why didn't i do anything about it when i had the MOST town capita in the game at that point. So hey, feel free to argue about that. | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:27 nooniansoong wrote: rayn what i think is the reasons why you are towning and scumming people make no sense to me. Especially that townread on vayne. I would never expect that from you as town. Ill ask again what agenda do you expect scum vayne to push d1? I am not gonna argue about the townread on vayne. feel free to scumread him. this happens every single game. and nobody ever believes me. obviously i can be wrong but this is vayne's townplay in my opinion. but let's be honest, if you are not mafia then vayne basically has to be mafia, so there is that. we'll find that out. scott should be shot 100% if we have a vig, i agree with Koshi on that totally. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:43 nooniansoong wrote: I'm still comfortable with a vayne lynch despite not being very confident that he's scum. On January 11 2016 06:19 nooniansoong wrote: id be happy to lynch boxerfred also. kush. Why didn't you switch your vote? | ||
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Like first you call him scum. When it matters (eod) you call him " not being very confident that he's scum" but don't vote for the dude you are " happy to lynch" with. Now, on N1 -- you AGAIN call Vayne scum. Why does the read (on VA) change for no apparent reason and why does the read change not follow up into your vote logically? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I still nominate p32 of this thread the best page on TL Mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Not a single bad conclusion after the slOosh case and i don't even think that was bad given the time it came out. EDIT: Well everyone played quite well tbh. Aside from couple of completely terrible cases. I am pretty sure i would have lynched scott over darth first because i missed his crap townread on boxerfred on D1 as i really didn't have time to read the thread again and focused on other (wrong) stuff at that time. But on the other side i would have never lynched Tubesock despite the red check -- although i fully understand the lynch. | ||
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