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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:03 GMT
#436
On January 10 2016 18:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to lynch mderg slightly less than sloosh and boxerfred.

I have absolutely no idea why boxerfred should be considered town.
slOosh's reasoning is pure crap, "asking why people townread the guy he is voting for is a towntell"? lol.

I need to re-check what was going on in the thread but it feels like boxerfred is following certain thread sentiments (things i consider being accusations against townies) and ignoring other stuff (accusations i consider being against possible mafia).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:07 GMT
#437
I don't want to lynch mderg either, mainly because i am not at all certain anymore Tubesock is mafia and he is kinda semi-defending him. Obviously this doesn't mean anything if the case is they are both scum but meh..i just don't feel that's the case here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:11 GMT
#439
##vote nooniansoong
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:25 GMT
#445
On January 10 2016 19:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=13#259

I really liked this read from him

The problem with the read is it doesn't make any sense based on what he said earlier:

- He asks Koshi a question (indicating Koshi could be scum for that), here:
On January 09 2016 08:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 08:17 Koshi wrote:
I am going to try my hardest this game. Really super super hard.

Why do you want to try hard this game? In your last two town games you opened with how you didn't want to try.

I don't understand why would you EVER ask something from anyone unless you think the answer they give could make them mafia.

- Here is what he says about Koshi's answer:
On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you?


Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.


What do you think of Koshi and Giyga?


Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum.

Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter,

So he comes to the conclusion Koshi's answer is leaning town.
Okay, let's go to the reasoning why he comes to this conclusion, which is the post you pointed out:

On January 10 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you?


Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.


What do you think of Koshi and Giyga?


Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum.

Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter,

Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways?


I like this thoughtful question from rayn.
Actually I didn't know what to think of what koshi said in the moment I asked him about it. I thought to myself.. why would koshi open in the opposite way of his last two games? And I thought him answering my question might help me get a better idea of his motivation behind it. Koshi didn't give me a helpful answer, which in itself made me lean townie on him slightly because he didn't feel the need to satisfy me.

So summa summarium....
Noonian asks Koshi something that could indicate Koshi is mafia. Koshi gives him an answer that doesn't help him in any way, and he comes to the conclusion that it is a TOWNTELL?!?!?

- so scumtell becomes a towntell because the guy doesn't reasonably explain himself.




Another thing is this:
On January 10 2016 01:21 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago

most games you do play like oatsmaster though. very little content, mostly one liners, hard to read.


Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work

He's struggling to create a filter

most likely mafia

This is enough to placeholder my vote on vayne.
"weird comments" - it's scummy to call something weird
"nitpicking completely useless things" - it didn't seem any more useless than what other people were talking about at the time
"telling others to do work" - misconstruing asking questions as telling others to do work.
"struggling to create a filter" - this is the kind of generic wording that comes from scum so often. Also I do not understand how someone can draw that conclusion from sloosh's filter.


Plus vayne doubles as a plynch anyway so there's that.

This post is incredibly fishy because of the following:
- He is voting for VayneAuthority as a placeholder
- He is voting for VayneAuthority because he did something scummy
- He is voting for VayneAuthority because he is a good policy lynch

placeholder != scumread != policy lynch

There is literally no way VayneAuthority is all that at the same time. Or like... ugh.. how to explain it.. He is making up reasons for voting for VA, since if you scumread someone as town you vote for them because you think they are scum, NOT because they are a "placeholder vote" or "policy lynch".




Third point is that was basically all his filter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:30 GMT
#446
On January 10 2016 19:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think sloosh and boxer are both better lynches than noon.

Shit I even think darth/mberg are better lynches than noon.

If you switch "better lynches than noon" --> "reasonable lynches", first part agreed, second part disagreed.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:37 GMT
#447
On January 10 2016 04:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
He is some one that needs a larger filter to read, lynching him day 1 would be useless/bad. especially since he can find scum if you give him time

How on earth do you come to this conclusion?
Can you point out some games where you base this on?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 10:53 GMT
#449
On January 10 2016 19:46 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS

On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +
On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +
says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn


There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

I really like this post. That reason giygas gave for scumreading Tubesock looks fabricated.

So is this a reason for you to scumread GiygaS?
If it is, what in GiygaS' answer to the concerns here does not make sense?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 11:26 GMT
#453
GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 11:33 GMT
#455
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +
On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +
says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn


There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

Basically this post comes down to:
- "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it."
- Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 11:40 GMT
#458
You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said.

Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock?
Do you agree with the quote above?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 11:48 GMT
#459
On January 10 2016 20:39 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS

On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +
On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +
says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn


There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

Basically this post comes down to:
- "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it."
- Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it.

I think it's a good reason to scumread someone. Wouldn't you also ask for more reasoning on the townreads instead of scumreading Tubesock?

Yeah it is, except that when GiygaS explains it, it isn't anymore in case you believe him.
So the case becomes "do you believe GiygaS' answer or not, and if not, why?"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 12:03 GMT
#461
He said your reads were weird because you called them easy townreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 12:09 GMT
#462
On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said.

Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock?
Do you agree with the quote above?

I also would like to remind you that this is not a joke.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 12:18 GMT
#466
On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said.

Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock?
Do you agree with the quote above?


Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well.

The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it.

If the quote above is wrong why did you write it?
I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia.

On January 10 2016 21:12 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He said your reads were weird because you called them easy townreads.


Who cares if they are easy or not?

Do you give a shit if someone comes up with the same read as you in a very difficult way? They're easy because they were my first and early.

I care if they are easy or not, and everyone else should aswell. "because they were my first and early" doesn't really count as an answer since you made the post after 24hours into the game. Like what are you saying? You don't re-consider your reads at all? If they were early reads why didn't you point out those guys in your opinion are town earlier? Why did you have to wait such a long time instead of trying to move the town into right track and removing mafia possibilities if those reads were easy from the beginning?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 12:21 GMT
#467
On January 10 2016 21:16 Tubesock wrote:
and unlike you, I liked Nooniansoongs question to Koshi about his tryharding / different opening from his last two games. And I like how Noon arrived at his townread of Koshi because he thought that a mafiaKoshi would try to emulate his most recent town games in a forum where so many love meta and his other point that Koshi felt no need to answer him where mafia tends to be more sensitive.

And this doesn't make any sense as if you think the green part is correct, then the red part should have never happened in the first place because the conclusion is already there without the question!!!

Also Noonian literally said that's NOT how it went down.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 20:43 GMT
#527
On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

There is no possible way you think this. No FUCKING way if you are town.
##unvote
##vote Tubesock

Good job man, you just earned my vote for eternity. Even if you are town you are mafia.

Second of all the case on GiygaS is fucking crap. So fucking crap.
If you people can't understand that he is clearly questioning reads WHICH REASONING MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE (since he LITERALLY ONLY TALKS ABOUT THOSE TWO READS) and twist it into some stupid fucking "i had same reads bla bla bullshit" then you are just awful at reading motivation behind posting, or twisting the facts. The fucking fact is he is singling out two reads because the REASONING DOES NOT MAKE SENSE -- AND THERE IS, WAS, AND STILL ISNT ANY REASONING FOR THOSE READS!!!!! It is clear what GiygaS is trying to say -- regardless of how he words it. And Tubesock can't even fucking explain those reads of his while asked multiple times to do that.

Then, go ahead and lynch VA then. I don't give any shits. He's not mafia. He is just not mafia and i am using my tomorrow to ask every single person who voted for him these questions:
1) why didn't you read his past games?
2) Why didn't you believe the person who in almost every single game where VA is is the only reason he lives and most likely gets lynched the next day rayn dies because people are fucking awful at reading him?

slOosh since you are so on top of your game, especially as you promoted "critical filter reading" based on the nature of the game explain me this:

[M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia

[N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan...

Go read these two filters and tell me who are the people VA talks about in these games, 36hours into the game. I mean actually things that are not jokes???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 20:43 GMT
#528
On January 11 2016 05:42 slOosh wrote:
At this point I'm also quite interested in seeing how rayn follows up on the Tubesock thing.

It felt somewhat dismissive and exaggerated.

the dude is fucking scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 20:44 GMT
#529
On January 11 2016 05:14 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore?
You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here:
On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?

Please explain.

Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing.

Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.

Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.

I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind

##Unvote Koshi

What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?

When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific?

Yes, i do want something specific.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 20:55 GMT
#535
On January 11 2016 05:50 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 11 2016 05:14 slOosh wrote:
On January 10 2016 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore?
You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here:
On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?

Please explain.

Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing.

Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.

Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.

I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind

##Unvote Koshi

What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?

When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific?

Yes, i do want something specific.

Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior.

this is a post #286:
On January 10 2016 02:04 slOosh wrote:
@Eden concerning Koshi
  • Setup talk is easy as either alignment. In fact, it's easier for scum to dwell in setup talk because they don't have to make any reads but look like they are contributing to discussion.
  • If you take a look at Koshi's filter, he repeats the same post (not point, but actual post).
  • I think you misread something - I was saying that Koshi had a weird exit, not noonian.

Point 1 and 2 go together in saying that Koshi has been posting frequently, but the content of his filter is lacking.

you are lying, you are mafia.
##unvote
##vote slOosh


Here slOosh is telling Eden why Koshi is mafia. But he says he townread Koshi 20 posts before this as per his statement right now.

Mafia is slOosh, Tubesock and kush.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 10 2016 20:58 GMT
#538
On January 11 2016 05:57 slOosh wrote:
268 not 286

yeah you now said you started townreading Koshi at point A. But at point B (which is after A) you tell Edenwhy you think Koshi is mafia. So one of your statements must be a lie.
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