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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 01:49 GMT
#382
Could you just explain that a little bit more? Like why did you list them as PoE scum and the others as null?
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 03:11 GMT
#384
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't

mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn

There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 06:25 GMT
#386
I'm concerned that there's been a lot of silence since Tubesock has gotten the majority of the votes.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 07:51 GMT
#406
I didn't think him having town reads on those people was odd, I thought him classifying them as easy was odd (esp. noon).
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:00 GMT
#409
On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:05 GMT
#414
On January 10 2016 17:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 17:00 GiygaS wrote:
On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.

Er, can you answer his question? "That would have helped" isn't an answer, and the rest of this is noise for the purpose of answering him.

At that moment, I would not think he was town but he would not be my top lynch choice. Now though, he still would be.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:08 GMT
#416
On January 10 2016 17:07 Eden1892 wrote:
The difference between, effectively, "null" and "top lynch choice" comes down to him calling a few town reads easy?

And the other contents in that post.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:11 GMT
#418
Read the post that darth posted that I referred to, that tube so kindly quoted.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:14 GMT
#420
I'm talking about the post where he called the town reads easy, darth made a post saying basically the entire thing seemed off to him and I agreed with him.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:19 GMT
#423
On January 10 2016 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Being a little more specific would help me figure this out...

I think I understand what you are trying to say now.

You are saying that:

Show nested quote +
Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


is the difference between Tubesock being "null" and Tubesock being "top lynch."

Is that correct?

Along with the context that that was basically his only content post, which I didn't think needed to be said in my post.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:29 GMT
#426
Im going to bed now. Ill be around all day tomorrow
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 19:25 GMT
#506
Instead of relying on the summary made by the person being accused, why didn't you fuckers actually read the post darth made. TS is misrepresenting the argument made completely so he can push me as an OMGUS lynch target. What I took out of darth's post:

On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
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On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


1. The fact its his only post of the day, and really provides no substance other than what he classifies as easy townreads.

2. His townreads are "easy": The townreads noon especially would definitely not be easy. The way he classified these seems to me like he was classifying them as strong town reads, which I felt odd on someone like noon who I had a very weak townread on. Again, it was not his townreads that seemed odd to me, but his classification of them as easy.

3. His vague statements. And I'd just like to add on to this because in tubesock's original post accusing me, he had already left this part out in his strawman argument.
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

He included darth's post in that post, there's no way he didn't read it. He purposefully ignored an aspect of my argument so he could pull this OMGUS strawman on me. The most disappointing part is it seems to be working.

4. This wasn't in my original post but can we PLEASE lynch the guy who's himself saying he looks scummy af. This should not be a defense, period.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 19:29 GMT
#507
I'd also like to say I'm sorry I didn't make this post last night when I was answering eden but I was in bed and had more faith that you guys would read. my bad.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 20:30 GMT
#519
On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote:
Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. HE CALLED HIMSELF SCUMMY HOW DO YOU NOT LYNCH THAT
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 21:02 GMT
#543
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 21:27 GMT
#570
That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 21:32 GMT
#576
On January 11 2016 06:30 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 06:27 GiygaS wrote:
That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield

I agree this is a possibility. Noon has made a comment that "verify's" this. What is your interpretation of this?

Noon cares a ton about meta, it's NAI for me in relation to him.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 21:38 GMT
#579
On January 11 2016 06:35 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 06:32 GiygaS wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:30 slOosh wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:27 GiygaS wrote:
That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield

I agree this is a possibility. Noon has made a comment that "verify's" this. What is your interpretation of this?

Noon cares a ton about meta, it's NAI for me in relation to him.

Um, I guess what I was getting at was,

Noon meta verifies that Tubesock is playing more to his town meta.

Do you think noon is town and wrong? Scum and buddying? Etc.

I think noon could be either, I have a light town read on him. What I'm saying is that noon bringing it up means nothing to me in relation to my view on him.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 21:53 GMT
#589
On January 11 2016 06:50 Tubesock wrote:
1. "I'd lynch Rayn over Noon" - How do you get I want to lynch you from that? that statement is simply I townread Noon harder than I townread you. I don't see how anyone can possibly get anything else from that. Especially in the context of how and when I said it.

2. If you are townreading me because I'm saying I'm scummy and nothing else then you are bad. You're not reading what I wrote or trying to understand what I'm actually saying.

3. Obviously, I need to explain my case further since the vast majority of you guys don't understand.

Take Darthfoley's worldview. He sees my read post, and sees that 2 of my reads don't jive with his and I say they were easy which is like doubly bad. It's perfectly reasonable for him to have cased me like he did and what he said matches what his worldview looked like according to his filter.

Now pretend you are in a random game.

Player A says I read these 4 people like so easy.

You share these reads but disagree with the "easy" part. Otherwise apparently the guy is "null".

Do you A) Scum him and elevate him to the top of your scumpile then vote or
B) make him clarify his reads specifically the "easy" part.
C) maybe you think he's scum, but you're going to cite his reads instead of the real reasons you think he's scum.

GiygaS is mafia because his reads are fabricated. Him not being aware of how they match mine shows he's not invested in his own reads much to recognize our similiarities.

I've explained very succinctly what I took out of darths post. Now stop strawmanning
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 22:32 GMT
#621
READ MY FUCKING EXPLANATION POST GODDAMNIT

on sloosh: posts reads with logic behind them that seems to make sense. Esp. now he seems to be very concerned about where he puts his vote.

on kush: This is admittedly much weaker than sloosh, I kept back and forthing him on my null and towny list while I was making the post. He's basically following the meta around how he plays as town. There's like a direct 1:1 between this post:
On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:
Fixed formatting
On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:
On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge.

But the op is for 9 players. didn't see.

This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities):
page 1:
A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What?

page 5:
The game setup is one of the following four:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game.


I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative.
Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).

So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment.

Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward.

I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.

and the last one i played with him
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