OUTLAW MINI MAFIA

On December 22 2015 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
/in

On December 24 2015 01:32 rsoultin wrote:


/in

On December 24 2015 17:29 Rels wrote:
Epic! How large can we make this grow ?
##pardon moosy

On December 24 2015 12:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Okay, so.../in?

On December 24 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
i'd rather not leave anyone out lol ^^

-throws <3s @ lexy and gb-

On December 25 2015 07:58 disformation wrote:
so... this now starts when i am back from my parents...

still feel like not joining would be the reasonable/sensible thing to do as i have a bunch of rl stuff to sort out.

/in

might not have time new years eve though.

On December 25 2015 09:14 Chromatically wrote:
/in

On December 26 2015 01:01 Vivax wrote:
/in

This game is going to be a shitfest

On December 27 2015 00:20 Koshi wrote:

or you should host here.

On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote:
Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.

Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?

But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.

Answer these questions.

How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point.
How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times.
If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back.
If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.

On December 27 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why do you think this makes him mafia?

On December 27 2015 08:17 N e s s wrote:

It actually can be used later on in game, collecting answers usually helps me.

On December 27 2015 08:21 N e s s wrote:

Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?

Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.

On December 27 2015 08:32 N e s s wrote:

I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.

But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.

I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.

but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?

On December 27 2015 08:55 N e s s wrote:

Snap, i didn't even see that :o

I'll look into it, but self voting is odd. Unless she(or he idek) is jester or...?

Although jester is an unlikely/bastard role, so probably not.

On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
town: artanis, ness
pocketing me: slam, rsoul
mafia lean: gb, trfel

On December 27 2015 09:05 Damdred wrote:
Here's the deal we need to establish that we are going to lynch me never and never putting me under suspicion.

That way I can give you great reads like this:

Town:
Trfel, ritoky, arty, Ness, Damdred and somewhat ticktock (slight lean)

On December 27 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote:
Ness is pretty much the easiest town read in the game atm. He's super town.

Tt made a joke that made me laugh, mafia almost never make me laugh,

Art is doing things that make him town.

Rit is meta meta meta but he's town.

Truffle is tone.

On December 27 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote:


Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:

1)

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.

Furthermore I have qualms with the second half of the statement:



You have a list of four questions and they are all designed as you have said:



but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.

---

If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.

Can you please answer the following for me?

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?

On December 27 2015 09:22 ritoky wrote:
are you really scum reading the guy with 0 posts prior to this game who posted useless stuff and did a jester speculation in an open setup? REALLY?

dumb=/=scum; that guy is ML bait for days.

On December 27 2015 09:28 Koshi wrote:

It is a mafia trait if you are a couple days into the game. Asking people their scumreads after 1 page into the game is just dumb.

On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:


To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts

On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
town: artanis, ness
pocketing me: slam, rsoul
mafia lean: gb, trfel

On December 27 2015 09:43 rsoultin wrote:
hey gb

i think you're mafia

you think i can read you well

you're not calling me mafia

what do you think of that?

On December 27 2015 09:47 ritoky wrote:


artanis is freely posting thoughts instead of releasing them in blocks of text. artans waits, sounds calculated, and posts in paragraphs/walls when he is scum.

slam and rsoul are doing things that aren't alignment indicative but make me like them; plus slam is just hot irl.

you're mafia because town GB calls that guy an idiot or worthless, town GB doesn't call him mafia.

trfel is mafia cuz he sounded whimpy. having played with trfel as mafia recently, i think his biggest tell is that he sounds meek and whimpy as mafia.

we done with your shitter read?

On December 27 2015 09:44 GlowingBear wrote:


I just think you're wrong. I have no reason to think you're scum atm

On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.


Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

1) First riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.

goal:
- A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)


question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)


2) second riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.

goal:
- Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.


question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

On December 27 2015 10:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't get your initial reply though.

-Presumably, Rsoul is the GB whisperer.
-She reads you as scum.
-You don't have a read on her.
-Instead of finding this suspicious, you waiver it off as "Eh, I have no reason to read you as scum."

Only now do you actually think her reply was town, so you didn't there at first which makes it even scummier.

On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.


Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

1) First riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.

goal:
- A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)


question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)


2) second riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.

goal:
- Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.


question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

On December 27 2015 10:23 rsoultin wrote:


which game are you referring to?

On December 27 2015 10:39 rsoultin wrote:
@rit - i haven't i still think gb is most likely of everyone who has posted to be scum
re: vivax, he frequently says i'm obstructive as town etc. etc. so specifically with him he could just be a dick, but given how little he's posted so far, it's interesting that he attacks me slantways that way. he doesn't have a read on me (though he does give a weak townread on gb) and instead just mocks my way of getting reads -shrugs- if gb's mafia that's not a bad tactic for a scum-mate to employ and i've seen nothing from viva to make me think that he's town

@gb - everything below -flicks viva- is directed at him and not you

On December 27 2015 10:49 Vivax wrote:
Koshi's riddle #1

If the guy in the middle says the opposite of what he sees in front of him, and then the guy behind him too, the third should know his own color?

1 in front. 3 in back.

#2: I am black -> #1 knows he white
#3: I am white -> # 2 knows he black
#1: knows from #2 hes white

in any other case #3 knows what he is just from the 2 colors in front. My try I guess

On December 27 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:


White/black/white

If first says black and fails, 2 and 3 knows the guy is white

If second is seeing a white hat in front of him, he knows his hat is black. Puzzle solved.

On December 27 2015 10:57 nooniansoong wrote:
Hi everybody. I'm a kush smurf.
This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy.

I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much.

I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns.

On December 27 2015 10:56 Koshi wrote:

The first person who yells out a color needs to be correct. Otherwise they all die.

This is unknown to the players. Could be 0-9 of each color.

In the first riddle the first person who says a color needs to be correct. If he is correct they all are spared.

In riddle 2 they don't get told anything except that they have a black or white hat.

On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote:

Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.


first one is correct

On December 27 2015 11:03 ExO_ wrote:
I'd like to know what the fuck I'm doing that gives everyone such mafia feels. Pressuring 1 guy for info and saying that tomorrow my posting will be limited b/c im going to my brothers wedding makes me scum? Do you want pictures of me at the wedding? I'll give them to you if you really want them.

I'm not scum and once again I see that not being a regular here means I'm going to be scum read for stupid ass reasons. Honestly the first day here on TL sucks every time I've played here :/

On December 27 2015 11:04 Koshi wrote:

That is incorrect

On December 27 2015 11:05 nooniansoong wrote:

Because I'm scum and it makes an easier scumgame for me. Is that what you are hinting at?

On December 27 2015 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
vivax is such a bad day 1 wagon. im usually 99% sure of his alignment on day 2 or 3. such a garbage day 1 lynch and whoever does it is against town winning

On December 27 2015 11:09 N e s s wrote:

#YouCalledMeDumb

And goodness gracious you annoy me.

On December 27 2015 11:12 Koshi wrote:

!!!
That one was really hard.

On December 27 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote:


wait a minute... you guys do remember the sicklucker rule right?

On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote:

^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with

Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.

But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?

To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.)
I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.

On December 27 2015 11:26 N e s s wrote:
tbh i'll leave ya'll with this~

I'm not going to vote for who i think is scum right now. I have standards, i'm not going to vote for anyone with little reasons to lynch.

On December 27 2015 11:36 N e s s wrote:

Calm down?

I don't know if you misinterpreted that or not no, i'm not upset.

On December 27 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
I think the best players to lynch today are Vivax for my preceding posts:



He has been present since then and is only concerned with Koshi's riddle in the meantime.


As another candidate I also think GB could be mafia;

His posts towards N E S S were barebones and unable to really follow up on anything meaningful and his suspicion has seemingly been dropped off the planet since then, he was in fact more concerned with being accused by rsoultin and trying to get her to change her mind rather than following up with N E S S:





The rest of his posts are very empty and just questions that do not lead anything such as: "Why do you think that?" "Elaborate," "Calm down."

This speaks of a GB who wants to be friends with everyone rather than a GB that wants to solve the game IMO. Things may change, they may not, GB I am on to you.

On December 27 2015 11:52 Holyflare wrote:


Are you or are you not concerned about the responses of your initial scum read? To me it looks like you want to take him to a nice spa and give him a massage while you regale him with tales of your youthful antics.

You haven't questioned N E S S at all.

On December 27 2015 12:03 Holyflare wrote:


I am placated by your response for now and question why you are not lynching Vivax with me or Ticktock with Rayn.

On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
town: artanis, ness
pocketing me: slam, rsoul
mafia lean: gb, trfel

On December 27 2015 09:47 ritoky wrote:


artanis is freely posting thoughts instead of releasing them in blocks of text. artans waits, sounds calculated, and posts in paragraphs/walls when he is scum.

slam and rsoul are doing things that aren't alignment indicative but make me like them; plus slam is just hot irl.

you're mafia because town GB calls that guy an idiot or worthless, town GB doesn't call him mafia.

trfel is mafia cuz he sounded whimpy. having played with trfel as mafia recently, i think his biggest tell is that he sounds meek and whimpy as mafia.

we done with your shitter read?

On December 27 2015 12:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think the "pocketing me" category can be considered non-joke, at least i consider it as a semi-joke at least.
I can see why he thinks you are / were mafia when he made the post. I can also understand the town reads.
The only thing i don't really get is the Trfel read, which gives me a pause on ritoky. I heavily disagree with that read.

On December 27 2015 12:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hi.

On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.



Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7



You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.



...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-




Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.





this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.



Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.

On December 27 2015 13:10 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [N E S S post] +
+ Show Spoiler [My response] +

GB can you elaborate on why you refuse to want to lynch Vivax? He has dodged every situation and game relevant scenario to do nothing and somehow that makes you not want to lynch him, the player who doesn't really play as mafia?

On December 27 2015 13:14 ritoky wrote:


pretty much that, he hasn't spazzed out and yelled at me for calling him mafia or tried to make love to me. he is just calm and focused posting. i may be slightly biased because he appears to be tunneling on me and it's pretty w/e.

On December 27 2015 13:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gb are we gonna be battle buddies this game?

On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?

On December 27 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:


Meh...

I like your answer but I think the wording is very weird. When you said "buddying me" it sounded like you were talking about rsoul throwing hearts at you. So saying slam was also buddying you doesn't make sense since he didn't say a thing about you. I don't know what is good on slam that makes you like him? Can you tell me what it is, specifically?

I call people Mafia all the time. Saying that I couldn't call him Mafia for that post as town is really contrived.

On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?

On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:

mmmm on the contrary

that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you.
Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.

please answer my question now.

On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:

I find you being town hard to believe.

Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.

*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:

On December 27 2015 15:19 N e s s wrote:

Jeez, case proven.

I'm not even gonna bother with you saying i'm scum right now, TL mafia is more annoying to me then other forums i've played on.

Also, that scum traits guide is pointless. Keep reading those guide tho.

On December 27 2015 17:08 rsoultin wrote:
throw oneg into the no lynch category

hrum

On December 27 2015 18:27 sicklucker wrote:


if you want more proof this guy is town. he would have asked his mafia qt this first.

Also hf is still mafia trying to fit in now n shit

On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s

Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam

Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu

Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock

Null
Anyone not in other categories

Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.

Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.

On December 27 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...

Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.

Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...

And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.

I really really do not understand any of that.

On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.

On December 28 2015 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Ooh ooh let's test the chart!
##Unvote
##Vote TicTock

On December 28 2015 00:56 Vivax wrote:


Wake me up when we're lynching HF

On December 28 2015 01:52 N e s s wrote:

This post is scummy imo.

Scum

Ticktock
Exo

Ticktock isn't focused in the game at all, he even said it as a post, and that post of his above is making me think he's scum.
And Exo because i thought he was town earlier in game, but to me him getting mad is more of him going all Gung Ho on everybody.

But if vivax ever makes a defense, i'm going to change my vote to TickTock.

On December 28 2015 02:34 N e s s wrote:

Nothing anymore, i think i just scum read him because i was frustrated at the time.

On December 28 2015 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok

What's your read on me?

On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture

On December 28 2015 03:05 N e s s wrote:

apparently every time i play mafia people call me out and fuck with me until i get pissed, case proven right now.

On December 28 2015 03:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

His play would be extremely suicidal if mafia. And don't even say WIFOM because there's no way to predict that, let alone for a new player.

On December 28 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote:


Please don't these people are just arse holes and don't know how to behave with basic manners in a human interaction.

On December 28 2015 03:12 Holyflare wrote:


Frankly put because nobody seems to know how to behave in a civilised manner and it's clearly aggravating the guy and stopping him from doing shit and that in turn makes the people with no manners behave worse towards A NEW PERSON THAT SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY ON THIS FORUM.

Everything he says kind of doesn't make any sense but at the same time it looks like honesty, it's kind of like how I treat sicklucker because everything that guy says is gibberish. If you really think he's mafia give him some space ask for his mafia reads and for them to explain it and if you don't like that ask him simple questions that he can respond to and treat him nicely.

Don't do what rayn and exo are doing and calling the guy a moron and treating him like a dick.

On December 28 2015 03:13 Holyflare wrote:


yes but you're not the only person in this game my friend

On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.

If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too

On December 28 2015 05:55 The Shining wrote:
Honestly I'm probably going to lose my mind reading everything so I'm just going to post random things I pick up on. Reading filters intermittently while fighting off a headache. I've read GB so far because familiar names are familiar.



You thought you might be tunneled on Ness and decided to reevaluate at a later time. Now you're sheeping HF. Does this mean you're dropping your News read? Because you're voting together.

I'll go read Ness next.

On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:


This guy probably mafia too tbh.

On December 29 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote:


So you're accusing me of making Vivax claim when Vivax has been calling me mafia all game? Are you okay in the head?



regarding N E S S ^

On December 29 2015 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's actually more characteristic to town Holyflare than mafia...

On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT.



Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for:

A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because:




B) Being suspicious of TickTock:




C) Being suspicious of N E S S:



D) Being suspicious of Kush:

-absent because GB has been afk for ages-


So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia.

/case

get rekt GB

On December 29 2015 03:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well?

On December 29 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote:


and then notice where my vote was and how I was exploring the other avenues at the time, I've said I've wanted to lynch TT since rayn first talked about it on like page 10

On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible.
If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.

On December 29 2015 01:34 Half the Sky wrote:


Tictock (5): raynpelikoneet, ObiWanShinobi, Artanis[Xp], GlowingBear, ExO_, ritoky, Palmar, Koshi
Vivax (3): Holyflare, ritoky, Ness, Koshi, Artanis[Xp], GlowingBear, Koshi, Alakaslam
N e s s (2): GlowingBear, Tictock
nooniansong (2): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Trfel
sicklucker (1): Onegu
Trfel (1): boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi (1): Artanis[Xp]
ExO_ (1): Coagulation
boxerfred (1): Vivax, ExO_
Alakaslam (1): nooniansoong
Palmar (0): nooniansong
Artanis[Xp] (0): Trfel, Koshi
rsoultin (0) Onegu
ExO_ (0): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Koshi
MoosyDoosy (0): Artanis[Xp]
Koshi (0): Onegu
Coagulation (0): sicklucker, ExO_

Not Voting (7): Rels, Damdred, Waylanner, rsoultin, MoosyDoosy, The Shining, Vivax

At this time, Tictock is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....

On December 29 2015 03:19 Damdred wrote:
Tbh what hf says makes a lot of sense here its not shit and it does show a interesting thing.

GB tell me when did you first suspect hf

On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid).
If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead.
Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....

On December 29 2015 03:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

He asked when you first started to. Was it literally when he posted his case on you?

On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia.
TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?

On December 29 2015 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI.

On December 29 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote:


If I think a person is mafia and have a history of lynching that person as mafia then why would I stop wanting to lynch that person because sicklucker who I don't listen to a word of says otherwise? What logical nonsense is that GB?

Not to mention if you start to think Vivax is mafia then why is it bad that I keep pushing that guy? I was too lazy to move my vote and just did so as soon as rayn posted an updated case on TT because I liked it and thought about how shit TT's catch up posts were.

I still think that leap in logic is suspicious as fuck when he had no information at all about anyone else and he still jumped to a guy being town after presenting a logical explanation of why he could be mafia, it still doesn't make sense.

There's like a million mafia and you're suspicious that I'm looking for other mafia after Vivax claimed a role?

On December 29 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:


And have you asked me why I think those people are suspicious?

I have a thought process of "People that think that Vivax wasn't a good lynch or were behaving weird around Vivax"


-Alakaslam - weird ness interaction and then weird Vivax reaction

- Ness - weird as fuck posts all game and he posted something really weird about Vivax "I'll unvote him when he defends himself" <-- I almost instantly changed my mind based solely on his filter length which is probably a mistake but then I got lazy and didn't check his filter in his off site game

- GB - just shit and afk for a while and then comes back and posts that trash about how did palmar know about coag and rsoultin when palmar already linked his source for info - gb's filter is like 3 full pages of one liner questions saying nothing and when I remembered his earlier interactions with ness and how he just copied my questions it added up to mafia-ish, now combined with my slam dunk case which you guys seem to dislike for no reason he's pretty definitely mafia

^

there is the combined reasoning for the brief section of time

On December 29 2015 03:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Oh boy, here we go

Let me get this straight
if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment.
if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF.
Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct?

On December 29 2015 03:42 Holyflare wrote:


And look how your logic of me being mafia because I have no reason to mafia read those people is bypassed to the view of your self defence.

It's silly, I am disproving your flawed logic of me being mafia and you're twisting it to make me mafia.

On December 29 2015 03:45 Holyflare wrote:




This has been completely disproved because I had a thought process for each of these people being mafia that revolved around the thought process that Vivax was a town JK and so your accusations become baseless since I am not throwing around calling people mafia everywhere for no reason.

On December 29 2015 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
And yes I still think my piece on Kush is good and it didn't get traction so I decided to back off a bit and observe some more to either confirm or deny my theory. I was hesitant to vote TickTock at that time because my ego is quite large and if Kush was TMI-ing on TT then it would be a redundant vote. People didn't like it so my ego wavered and Rayn posted his case and I agreed with it and remembered the TT catch up and so my mind decided to push my ego out of the way for a bit and sheep a good case.

Now that you have been destroyed, good day to you.

On December 29 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote:
I sorta agree with art I can see town GB acting this dumb over nai things.

On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right?
Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy.
I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing.

On December 29 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:


No Artanis, my logic is: if I see a behaviour that doesn't fits any town perspective, the said person is mafia. I didn't think of it more than this

On December 29 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:


Please, please, please break down my arguments and my reasoning and thought process and explain how I've twisted this. You laid out points on why I am mafia and I've explained them FULLY with all the reasoning and logic behind it and outlined my entire thought process.

You can ignore the case on you I'm solely talking about your case on me.

On December 29 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote:

How can you not know the answer to this when the argument That followed was literally about the very source of my info

On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:


Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him?

On December 29 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:


So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/

On December 29 2015 06:55 nooniansoong wrote:
@gb can you address your unsound logic?

On December 29 2015 07:01 nooniansoong wrote:
@GB see this quote tree

On December 29 2015 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
Gb your willing to vote hf?

On December 29 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:


getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf.

On December 29 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote:


How on earth are you still going on about this, you posted your concerns about me being mafia which I have fully addressed and eliminated, what more is there to call me mafia for? You have my perfect thought process outlined right there for you in the thread. This is getting stale and just increases the likelihood of you being actually mafia.