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vig jk vs rb vig goon goon 17 13 v 4 12 v 4 9 v 4 8 v 4 7 v 4 6 v 4 5v 4 4v 4 game over if big shoots badly scum needs 4 ml to win. Its also possible to take out the town vig and give mafia a 2 shot vig but meh. I think the one I suggested is swingy but I like unconfirmed masons Ifea in a 17 person. | ||
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That way I can give you great reads like this: Town: Trfel, ritoky, arty, Ness, Damdred and somewhat ticktock (slight lean) | ||
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Tt made a joke that made me laugh, mafia almost never make me laugh, Art is doing things that make him town. Rit is meta meta meta but he's town. Truffle is tone. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote: >> add damdy to the rit pile shame on you damdy lol But I was trying to conform and act to happy what did I do this time q.q | ||
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I'm not explaining why I think rit is town besides his tone/direction of posting is good in my eyes. The way he's trying to go after hf here and show why he is wrong (while rit could do this as scum but generally doesnt) he's going head to head with him instead of going after the easier target. Though he isn't calling hf scum he's trying to get his own opinion across instead which is town instead. Art is doing a lot of activity in thread that has a decent amount of thought behind it and,it seems like he's trying to come to decent conclusions and seeing what other people he knows well are thinking. He isn't budding and cares about hi questions get answered he's town. Ness is a pretty awesome example of a player who has come to this forum New and tried to do things he's used to,and gets scum read for it. This more than likely will come from town being new rather than new scum who's trying to fit in. While I do think,would be crummy from a vet I don't think,it is here. His follow up posts gave me a town feeling. Tt just rolled scum with me where he was super serious and just failed to,carry his team and he was really upset about it. Coming into,the game so shortly afterwards with such a positive outlook points to town. And while people,laugh at the idea scum make me laugh it's actually a decent metric as town are more free than scum. Trfel evaluated someone (art) Then instead of pushing it when there was an advantage totally went woe my bad I'm dumb arts town. Gave me the town vibes. | ||
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Rayn totes town so now I can sound board off him without butting heads. I think koshi and exo are town also. So town: exo, ness, truffle, art, koshi, RS, rayn, ritoky, still town lean: tt what do you think of that list besides tt for you rayn? | ||
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But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment | ||
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I've played with it before now but gb is generally super uneasy about hf. And likes to think,he can read hf well. Instead of being suspicious of,him or trying to,figure out his alignment he just ignores him and follows him a bit. At another point he starts showing he's suspicious of hf but then,no follow up or anything about it. That's why I'm torn on gb besides some things said. I think he's the lean I'd most likely drop down to,scum. | ||
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I don't think it's unthinkable that if he rolled scum first game here he would be a bit more fearful and watch what he posts more. Atm he's bringing a lot of heat on himself and it's reminiscent of when people,come from other places and not used to how we play. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: He clearly comes off as a person who is / thinks he is good at mafia since he had to point out he has won both of his games where he was mafia in. I don't agree with this argument. I can understand your sentiment but I came here thinking along the same lines. So I see it from a slightly different perspective, But I don't think this is getting us anywhere right now, I do understand your argument and think there is some value in it. Anyway SL I think is town now maybe. What did you think of my gb sentiment thAt has me a bit meh atm? | ||
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Anyeay, idk I have to think of a better way to explain it. About gb anyway. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: If HF is scum we should probably lynch Ness though---... I'd agree with this lol | ||
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Anyway Tt postings since opening have been bad but such a small sample size. I see bad posting Tt to be more town than scum though and need to see where he foes before I finalize. | ||
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Also...shining could be a good lynch If anyone cares what I think | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me since I'm not in any of your lists? :/ I have a town read on you. And I'm not really invested in this game tbh. | ||
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Town: Damdred Rayn Art Ness Hf Rsoultin Trfel Ritojy Coag (depending) Townish: Onegu SL Then I'm arguing with myself about vivax and think kush and shining coups be good lunches. | ||
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When I made the joke about lynching Ness if you flipped scum was me basically not thinking that would ever happen. Though probably a bit to subtle. I like your posts and pushes hf I don't think it's outside your scum game. But I see town motivation in 're evaluation of Ness and how you are trying to really people vs bullying them or looking to tilt people as scum vs discussing here. | ||
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And most the players have a town read on me so yeah | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:37 rsoultin wrote: okay lol i had a similar thought so that makes sense are you sure he's not just busy with family or something given it's the holidays? i don't really keep in touch with him much anymore Could be, but this is the same guy who was hospitalized or in the er and kept playing to. | ||
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Besides that it's suicide to do this as vt or as mafia and if the other masons speak up and cc I'd be happy as he'll to go 1 town 2 mafia trade off. | ||
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Besides that there's no reason to vote them until it happens which I don't think it will. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:45 Vivax wrote: So Damdy any particular reason you have BF in the buddy corner among the afks Cause he's horrid sometimes as town like this. | ||
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Anyway I don't disagree with pressuring him but I am curious to see what he comes back with and I hope we can agree with one another by eod on him. | ||
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hrmmm game is hard a bit could lynch someone who hasn't said anything | ||
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I don't want to lynch tt though idk about vivax. there are still a few 0 post people though that I wish were dead meh. I'll read filters soon | ||
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ritoky is most likely town anyway rels and the other guy who hasn't posted are decent lynches. | ||
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doesn't sound mechanical to me, sounds sincere and honest. Thought process is ok and is actually playing when he's here d1 which he hates d1. I think he's town and I'm the best shining reader around. | ||
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On December 29 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote: raaaayn i think art is most likely town and ows is most likely scum where's our disconnect? if you said it before, i'm sorry, it's just a big thread and my memory's not the best I think ows is town maybe to though  | ||
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GB tell me when did you first suspect hf | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote: I hate this. It's always this "GB you're dumb", "GB your argument doesn't make sense", then the guy flips mafia. You guys just don't want to lynch Holyflare because he is Holyflare. except the 50 games you tunneled me into the ground when 'm town. or countless other times. The simple thing is that your argument 1) is nonsensical to a point 2) doesn't make HolyFlare scum. He would 100% do all of the things you are accusing him of as town or as scum I am convinced of that, if he is scum it would have to be more than didn't want to go on tt when hes voting vivax. | ||
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If he was wasteing his vote it would be one thing but he wasn't. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is we are talking about Holyflare here. He has already set up a venue on voting for TicTock (if not Vivax), so when Vivax claims -- if HF is scum and TT town here -- he will definitely vote for TT. That is where GB's argument falls apart (even if we believe his side of things here). There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims. I can guarantee you in this game it is impossible that both HF is scum and TT is town are true. I do like this point and I hate that Rayn stole it from me. :'( | ||
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But I don't think HF makes sense as scum at this junction. And GB i'm not so sure anymore. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:22 ExO_ wrote: Does the gunsmith's given gun get to shoot the night he gives it, or does it have to wait until the following night? I asked earlier but if anybody answered me I didn't see it following night | ||
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First thing is tone, generally as scum he has a defeated tone/attitude towards the thread especially when it gets beyond his scope of catching up especially after the horrible week he had had apparently at work. His tone (in my opinion at least) sounded care free and wanting to get to work in the game. Secondly he totally hates d1, as scum he 100% won't play will make excuses and do the bare minimum will never come back to stuff and if he ever does will be huge posts that you can't really make sense in and is hard to interact with him. Here he says he will do things and doesn't quite get to everything but does make his posts readable and wants people to interact with him. And answeres questions posed to him in a thoughtful way. Overall i'm pretty sataisfied that this is town shining | ||
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YOu know rels kept promising activity we are almost at lynch and still no thoughts from him, and that 0 poster might be worth a shot tonight meh. | ||
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He isn't and hes barely given us any information, hes a good lynch at this junction. So is rels and a couple others. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:57 The Shining wrote: Wasn't rayn the one who started the TT wagon? Iirc I've seen multiple people mentioning sheeping rayn. So why is Rayn now off of his own wagon and voting Vivax instead? Like I honestly can't tell if Vivax is actually JK or trolling but his wording for the unclaim seems more like just trying to piss off rayn. But why is rayn ignoring his main wagon(which is now leading) to get off of it and vote Vivax? Rayn explain? let me explain before the stampede comes your way. Rayn hates stupid things, Vivax did a stupid thing. Something he thinks I scum lockable. Vivax did thing, rayn does his thing. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:42 Rels wrote: Caught up. Sheeping rayn ##Vote TT 100% scum | ||
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That's not a bad percentage considering I haven't really scum hunted all day. Also you can't call me bad cause youd id nothing relsyboy | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:47 Rels wrote: Yep. So your 100% scum call is based on nothing. Willing to switch on OWS ? Why is he soft attacking me like that while lurking AND voting the same target as I do ? You promised activity claim you have caught up offered 0% and why is the second half of this important that he is voting the same person as you? | ||
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Like whys it so important obi is voting with you when you are clearly voting with obi? | ||
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Ritoky and Damdred are 2, I don't think there are enough | ||
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Now if TT is town a lot of the people who switched vs people who just said fuck it and stayed is interesting. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:13 sicklucker wrote: but if he was trying ot save iy why did he wait untill 10 seconds before deadline ot do it when the tiebreaker matters? he didnt vote tt untill it was like 9-7 or 8-6 or something. he literally held out untill his vote didnt matter its hard to time but I wouldnt put him past it If I wouldn't of changed my vote which was seconds before hf it would of been 8-8 with tt getting the tiebreaker, and the shenanigans started exceedingly late | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Not really true they just cause shenanigans and line up an extra town lynch the next day for free? Mafia can do whatever they want if it's a two town lynch tbh. That's true if it is a decently highly skilled team I suppose. I think town are more likely to shenanigan in that situation and it doesn't negate other scummy things. | ||
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I guess i'll work on this analysis and post it before eon | ||
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Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through. Town: Damdred Rsoultin/Coag Raynbabyrayn Artanis Shining Vivax Koshi Probably town: Gliwingbear Holyflare Exp Kush SL Rit Night action please Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town. Nullish Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point. Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes Scum lean: Slam Palmar Obvious one | ||
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Ows is a probably town Moosey is null doesn't deserve any read until tommorow | ||
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On December 30 2015 07:43 Koshi wrote: Damdred is sheeping me. You are smart this game, and I agree with your reads mostly I think. | ||
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Now lynch the fool and they have to either rb me before my gun goes to someone else or rb ritoky or else he can shoot. Perfect play. | ||
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It's flawed but you can at least trust me today and direct rit | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:49 Holyflare wrote: TT was already dying and could be rber and you just outed for no reason. We don't even need the gun to go off tbh. Meh... I should just stop playing while ok at work I thought I read people going against the lynch | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote: Ok sl you're actually full of shit because damdred and shining switched the same second I did. My vote would have hammered mafia at the time. 100% true | ||
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SL my vote was super last second if I stay hf is the hammer or it wouldn't matter tt dies. Speaking of you moved your vote to get reactions from people moving to rels right? Didn't really want to lynch him ya? | ||
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I'm not townrrading hf for voting scum. secondly you didn't really want to lynch rels right just get reactions? | ||
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Moosey my moosey don't worry if you talk to me and tell me what you think of people I'm sure I can white knight you to the end. Also to SL could you point me to the tt post you thought was so towny un the last few minutes of day to get you to not change back. | ||
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hopefully game is stupid simple and its like boxer, ness, tt, GB and random other perdon | ||
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But yeah I'll post more work tomorrow or tonight | ||
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I wanted to stop the real gun Smith from,being dumb and claiming so I cc the blue who claimed Miller then gun bleu. Shoot me sorry guys I'll post my read list eon | ||
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You got it I'll go ask for a nuke now | ||
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1) onegu faking a Dt check and the dt not cc him at all. 2) Tt claims he's a Miller right after the check. And then doesn't claim blue and then doesn't fight or do anything. 3) I claimed gun Smith to wifom mafia when the lynch was well decided by one and two. So I'll take my shot and say my bad but don't act like all of this blame for this day falls on me. | ||
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It was my bad but telling me never to post here again and blaming me for a ruined game is shit when you were lynching Tt no mat tut er what today anyway. | ||
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Anyeay no worries I'll post ny final reads and go from there then. | ||
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I'm dying tonight anyway more than likely or lynched the next day and this will be the last thing I say about it and you an call me stupid as much as you want but I will 100% ignore all posts from everyone who call me stupid because I don't have time in ny life to care. To blame me for what is an assured flip is stupid, if you or anyone thinks I'm scum why does scum cc Tt when he fucked up his claim by claiming Miller. He had a supposed red check he quit gave 0 information looked like he was trying to draw out a cc. I don't trust most of the people to think about that so I did it first, it was dumb but he gave 0 reason to be town read any today. And with a Tt lynch secured I have 0 reasons as scum to do that but that's neither here or there. | ||
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I don't see scum onegu going 1v1 but kinda have to kill us both. | ||
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Unless the Dt cc you always lynch the red check. I might of did a horrible play given the results but everyone going crazy when a blue role claimed Miller and onegu faked a red check is unbelievable to an extent. God fuck this lol | ||
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Also the who got,the gun wasn't up to debate as you claimed it earlier in the day everyone had that information. Answer honestly red check on Tt him acting like he did no fake claim by me and no cc to onegu would you lynch Tt still. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:58 ritoky wrote: does tt still get lynched there without your cc? probably due to his play yes. does all discussion get shut down without your cc? no; your cc gave "overwhelming information" against tt which made discussing the lynch, the potential of a fake claim, if TT gives me a gun, if onegu is auto-lynch if tt flips anything but red, etc all a moot point because we all believed with certainty he would flip red since he had a double claim against him. that is what i meant when i said "securing the lynch" I think I disagree that my claim shut the game down the red check shut the game down to an extent. You are assuming without a cc to him that people would discuss fervently and give more information when history tells us that just isn't a the case. | ||
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On January 02 2016 10:19 ritoky wrote: damdred what do you think of the people on this list: hf obviousone exo_ koshi moosy obi shining I'll make a brief version for now, Townish Nullish to scum Townish Town Should lynch Maybe town Town | ||
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Still at work but I'll respond a bit more moosey hated playing town so its a bit understandable that he is doing this. I usually give him a free pass past d1 but n1-d2 he usually does something that causes me to go yeah that's good enough he's town. But he hasn't fone this and he could be gameing it both ways could be trying yo ruin his town meta even more by trying to slide but at the same time he's smart enough as scum to know that and would test the boundaries. But I don't think as scum he would miss voting and risk a modkill. So I think it might be worthwhile to pressure him see what happens at this point and maybe even lynch. After typing it pout gut says he's probably town. obi is interesting as he just doesn't seem to care that much or care if he's being town read to a degree. Which is a town trait of his but its not enough for me to be really certain. oo I'm not sure some of his stuff has been a bit strange. I didn't really like his rushed reads list idk its why he's nullish/scumish even before the day he didn't really have a large activity. | ||
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On January 02 2016 10:38 ExO_ wrote: Onegu is just as bad, actually worse. But I don't know onegu very well. I know you a little better. TT is probably still getting lynched. But you shut down all discussion with that CC. It was a lock and because of that we gained no information day 2 basically. And now to be sure we have to kill you and onegu, and Jesus Christ if you both are town it's completely killing us. All because you 2 were sure enough TT was scum to fake claim to the rest of us. It makes it hard to analyze what's happened so far. I mean what was the fake claim supposed to accomplish, if not taking away town's ability to discuss and forcing us to lynch who you thought was a target? game was locked when oneg red checked him. He claimed miller instead of blue and basically had to be pushed to claim blue.. It looked like a typical draw to find the real blue. | ||
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100% jk should protect rit so we don't lose the gun and just keep doing it until we get the rb. Or rit wifoms scum I'll leave that to him. | ||
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TT was going to be lynched d1 before rels reacted badly he had 23:40-23:59 minutes to convince us he was town and failed to do so. He 100% would of been lynched and never even hinted that he was blue, he never tried to save himself with that information. TT then claims miller against a fake dt check and acts like he believes it. Then only after prodding from people in the thread did he u claim miller and then claim blue. And only after another post by koshi did he claim mafia. So anyone saying I ruined the day is delusional or that my movement was arrogant. All of tt actions basically said he was scum. But I'm sure certain people will still say I ruined the day etc. | ||
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Look at how tt reacts to the cc even goes as far as call me town never once calls me scum | ||
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So if that ruined all discussion that day its....yeah there are tons of other things/people to discuss besides tt | ||
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Town: Damdred Coag Kush SL I think SL has a shot but if he's scum he is playing a really strong scum game and I congratulate him. Kush also would be playing great if he's scum I think but the possibility I'm drastically misreading him is present and I feel like hedging a small bit in that regard. Probably town Exo HF Koshi Shining Ritoky Out of this group in worried that ritoky is tricking me. His claiming the gun like he did wasn't like ritoky but I've seen him do similar things. Shinings inactivity bothers me so he's falling try to make him do things but I still think town. Vivax I would actually pay a lot of attention to, he fell off decently hard and hasn't really been pushing a lot or involved he's worth a bit of pushing on. Obvious one also deserves a bit his pushes and reads don't make a ton of sense to me or at least the reasoning. Plus general inactivity Moosey and his sudden burst of posting made me want to town read him but put pressure on him. GB has fallen off the face of the earth and just doesn't seem to care about pushing his thoughts right now or riding the scum train to death. I actually think he's possible scum again. If nm doesn't post a ton and just randomly scrwws off during his active times lynch him no matter what. I like obi as town here he's really not aucking up to people and trying to get on there good side. Its not a 100% read but I think its a good shot at town. Trfel idk me get be town or scum I'm really undecided without having my notes on hand. Oneg probably wouldn't go one v one unless he's like the scum big and just wants the rest of his shots to go through. Its total suicide but totally worth it if he goes 1 v 1 and all the big shots go off. It doesn't 100% mean he's town because he acted the way he did. Palmar is idk very possible scum currently Ran out of time if I'm alive after day I'll try to elaborate more | ||
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So why moosey over me and why not hold the shot to give us an extra lymch you were worried about. | ||
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God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah | ||
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Or He gets cc by the real DT and we probably lynch TT to see who's lying or they kill TT and the outed DT and we have almost no confirms left. They don't really lose a ml in this situation meh and with our jk yeah. So I don't think he's a lock town but I do agree its unlikely he goes 1v 1 at that point. What do you think of sl | ||
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But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here. Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity | ||
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and half my post got cut out blah. basically his early amount of postings caused me to town rad him but its more null now. His other actions in a void are scummy probably. | ||
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even tinfoiling excessively at points not so in scum games. | ||
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You can check lots of games I've played with him regardless of alignment I usually read him correctly. But large problem lies with voting being spread out which is going to be dumb today. There are several super scummy people today. NM will be my target I know | ||
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On January 04 2016 00:23 sicklucker wrote: None of the scummy people in my mind have brought up lynching nocturnemages. Dandred off the top of your head who has said they want to lynch him? I sapose ill sheep you on him. like so many towns thought ness was mafia. He rage quit. I think its more likely he would do that as mafia? but im not sure Me, you, oo said he'd sheep and rit said he saw something, shining as well said I had a point. Besides that it's largely been ignored up to this point. | ||
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So totally different, and when a 1 v 1 with confirming a town in the process it's always town favored. | ||
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And everyone had that reaction to rels | ||
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Most of the thread had reactions that were not dissimilar to what palmar posted. At best this is a null as scum are looking just as much as town where to put votes and more than likely palmar vote was already on Rels. Secondly of course palmar doesn't want to be shot this is totally null. 1) Town palmar doesn't want to get shot because he's town and can help to try to win the game. 2) Scum palmar doesn't want to be shot because he's scum,and wants to,win. And thinks he can talk his way out of getting lynched with a large effort. It's totally null, and I'm really concerned now that you are trying to tr palmar for such weak things. | ||
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On January 04 2016 06:59 nooniansoong wrote: It's more than him not wanting to get shot. It's that he rather get lynched than shot. I've been in the position that palmar is in as town so what he is saying rings true to me. Th I is palmar though and it's nai and while palmar would come in here saying yea I'm town I agree. You can't judge him on this metric. What else makes him town. | ||
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TBH the super stubbornness kush has here about this read generally comes from town for the most part. Its a bad read I think, and totally about null things. But what's the point if your scum fighting tooth and nail about it? It makes you look like you have tmi maybe my expectations are a bit high but it would be better for mafia to,buddy up to someone and maybe hedge on palmar than going full throttle omg omg omg palmar is the townies town ever. Though it still feels tmi like he did with the other lynches as well. | ||
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I'm not sure it makes him town or scum though | ||
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It happens all the time. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:14 Palmar wrote: Damdred, before night 2 (ie d1, n1 and d2) why did you think I am mafia? I thought your vote oe on Rels was super opportunistic and if Tt was scum it would totally fit your meta of trying to help your team towards a common goal. Also lack of thread prescense early with a really lack of any type of push that I could see. There were a couple a spots that gave me pause and Tt flipping town has given me more pause to you and wanting to get my read right today. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:18 Palmar wrote: Why did you never talk about any of these things? I wasn't super worried about it d2 due to what I considered to be scum claiming scum. D1 was a weekend cycle mostly. And I was more focused on Tt honestly. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:20 Palmar wrote: Like your ENTIRE filter talking about me that I can find up until the past two hours is this: That's it, I don't think you talked about me at all beside that While this is true you could also make the same argument how I approached hf. | ||
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I'll admit that not caring about a lynch is anti town but it's not always scum meh. | ||
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Here he's been in the game what will be 72 hours in a little over 12 hours. The only bursts of activity is when he is getting called out for little to no activity. And then once the pressure swings away from him he is back to being gone without giving any real thoughts. I'm not sure why more time would make him easier to read hell. In his last game he got to a 20 page filter by d4? Something insane like that.... | ||
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Moosey was replaced by NM at roughly 18:00 my time ( 6 o'clock). Two hours later nm makes his first entry post (shortly after replacing in) he has not read any of the thread but his initial reaction comparatively is way different just like this game he hadn't read any of the thread and we botched that liynch but he was super jovial. He then gives several posts in quick succession talking about Hts in passing and promises to do certain things. Now he is over seas so he leaves the thread after posts and comes back later in the day and he is still catching up but throws his thoughts into the thread and by the time day breaks he has already wrote a mini case on Hts within 24 hours mind you and votes her. To say that he immediately got to work might not be totally factually true as two hours isn't immediately but as I clearly demonstrated his way about himself is much different. He lacks any real thoughts this game even while he is catching up doesn't try to figure out why x or y is scummy and only posts when provoked that is scummy behavior not just behind as you try tonilllustrate | ||
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That is neither the correct way to handle yourself and will 100% not get your target lynched | ||
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NM. Slam and palmar are my targets tommorow.id rather it be slam or nm. | ||
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Also shining is useful as town but you might be hard pressed for him not just showing up to vote today being Monday meh. | ||
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On January 05 2016 00:58 GlowingBear wrote: SL this can be easily faked and you know it. Also, I don't understand why is slam being voted over palmar. Actually, I don't even understand why is slam being scum read. This implies that GB is town reading slam. There is no reason what so ever at this junction to be reading slam as anything but null to scum. GB says he has read the thread as he is commenting on present things so he should know this. It is more scum motivated of GB to act like this then town. | ||
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and if you null read someone you shouldn't be shocked if someone scum reads them and you shouldn't say no reason to scum read them etc. Saying slam has any commitment to this game at this point is a gross over estimation. | ||
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I would think GB flips scum 8/10 times, nm also has vanished once more I'll have to reread him tonight bit hell show up after I post this to look active probably. | ||
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Now that still doesn't prove you are town. You have 100% died activity wise since d1 start there. | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is Palmar a better lynch than Slam? this also | ||
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which technically means that it coud be palmar or slam. More than like slam but its worth considering palm. | ||
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1) Lets be honest here and Palmar should agree with me. The flip doesn't make him town or scum, I have tinfoil going around in my mind. What you should do is look at the lynch and what happened before hand and see if what palmar did was town motivated. Was he coming from a town mindset. Overall id say yes, but I won't lie that palm would lynch GB as scum anyway. 2) NM last few postings have looked increasingly towny. 3) I'm a cool sexy dude. | ||
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SL Shining Ritoky Trfel Obi Kush Slam onegu and I'll post my final reads, just for clean sake I am town reading a good portion of that list which makes the game incredibly hard. Anyway I'm here for a bit for questions if anyone has them etc just in case of a doubtful death | ||
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He only has like 4-5 votes in what 15 people game? It could of just swung into him its true but the top towns or leaders at the time were pushing against a palmar lynch so overall he's not in that much danger or at least not to the respect of omg palmar almost killed himself. it is towny palmar keeps saying brb I got to go sleep time and he continues the discourse though | ||
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Town: Damdred-obvious Coag- confirmed Shining- Shining is hard to read and he hasn't been super emotional this game. But when he has been active his somewhat questioning feels towny to me, his tone sounds that way as well. Now his recent exchange with eco reeks of his town meta, the guilt trip part especially I 100% believe he was feeling guilty and upset to a degree. He can't fake this as scum he's town. Palmar- I want to tinfoil him and you should question him and press him for information as the game goes along. But his inability to leave the thread and his continued even after saying bye to post portrays town motivation even if he does get frustrated. His reads list during the day was helpful and seemed town palmar. SL- so I think he's town so you should lynch him at some point soon Lolo. Seriously SL is probably town this game he seems to think about thinks in a convoluted way ( this isn't oddensive) that can only come from town SL I think. Also the way he forgets people I think portrays town and that dumb tell he didn't mean to do. This is actually extremely difficult to Poe down at this point. But. I feel like NM current postings/tinfoil/activity level betrays a sense of town agenda behind what he is saying. Also gb was sunk so trying to get people to shenanigans onto slam when he could of taken some easy cred and was armed up to planar in the process makes me think he is town. Now if he drops off and doesn't contribute anything he is worth another look here. Kush is most likely town here. He does have some major issues like his vote is generally outliner and hi a reads to a point on rels/tt/palmar just seem way to good, but he could just be having a great game. I like to think it's the latter and he is having a food game, the activity level and the questioning and what not make me think town. But the push off gb onto slam makes me hesitant a bit. Ritojy is probably town as well I want to hedge on him a bit though. The shot on moosey wasn't bad but usually he listens more. And gave his vote away during eod but didn't act on it. He did get hurt so some of it could be that, but something is nagging at me here that he is the scum that is getting away with it for some reason. But he does have good reasoning why onegu is town and has seemed to,have a town mindset before now. This leaves me with Exo Trfel Slam Ows Oo Out of these I am leaning town on eco for pre mentioned reasons and he is just going against so many people. But giving away his vote yesterday was interesting. And I still think Townish. Obi I think is probably scum, he isn't going against people and is trying not to,stand out. I really feel like he is scum, hi a vote yesterday 100% put him in a good light and went with everyone. He's not going against anything or fighting making strange decisions which he does as town. Its to clean he is scum. Slam is Poe and I wouldn't lynch him tommorow. Trfel is strange I want to town read him especially since rsoultin tells me to in her filter meh. Don't lynch trfel just a feeling plus his wanting to apologize to,me,and not wanting to fight with,me was town. I'm clearly wrong in one of my towns. I'd lynch Obi probably. | ||
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On January 06 2016 08:30 Onegu wrote: Obi and Damdred checks maybe? Or Obi palmar | ||
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When GB ended up being lynched I tried to shennanigan onto slam but the true counter wagon during the day was palmar. You saying slam wad the other wagon is wrong. And when slam had a large amount of votes before we moved to GB palmar was still the counter wagon. so yeah | ||
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Also the shenanigan on slam did not occur until within like the last 5-10 minutes of the day the last vote coming about 1 min before eod and would need gb+1 to hammer slam. Which if slam flips town is scum claim by that person if GB flips scum the next day. That being said at the time of GB vote pamar is the alternative wagon. Anyeay its a pointless conversation towards that. My thing is your post clearly reads that onegu is super scummy but you vote slam setting up a ml tommorow or at least reasoning for it by that post | ||
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I like that read. Both can go back to lock town. Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also. ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm. Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam. The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more. | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:13 NocturneMage wrote: Damdred you say know ritoky well right? I do think I can read him relatively well, usually when he's town though I'm super sold early with no tin foil. And I generally know when he's scum. I just have gut feels he's scum this game and trying to figure it out. | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:28 nooniansoong wrote: So he lied about it. And you still think he's town. How was that a 1v1 what's the point of your inane questioning again? | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:31 NocturneMage wrote: The other thing I really hate about ritoky is that is filter is a shittonne of trolling. I mean, a shittonne. Like stratospheric level. I realise it's tone, but there's been just stupid levels of it days 1 and day 3 that at best hampers town trying to read the thread and at worst disrupts people trying to play the game. This can't be town motivated. Seriously. not true rit trolls all the time as time at any point | ||
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Like really though I'm not lynching you today and I have to think through all posibilities. | ||
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Coag is mason I'm town I'm 100% on shining. Exo looks really pretty town from exchanges. That leaves Onegu, Ritojy, palmar, oo, slam, and ows, kush, nm Ows has a green check but I don't want to put him town until gf flips. I think nm is town. Even if you disagree I think the case while not super indicative shows town thought. So that leaves oo, palmar, slam, Ritojy, kush and onegu. Kush looks really town to me. And I think onegu from arguments is probably town but not super definite. So that leaves me with 4 unless I throw Ows back in. So not sure why it's so sketch | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:13 ritoky wrote: damdred, assume i am mafia and you're not, why are you alive? So you could ask this question. But seriously higher priority targets | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:16 The Shining wrote: I mean I know you guys have this awesome soul read thing going on but he town read you as scum in fullmetal when he replaced in iirc. So it wouldn't be the first time you fooled him as scum. Maybe he just isn't as sure on being able to read you anymore? Like his post just now about his poe looks pretty honest, even though I don't really see what he sees in kush town Whoa now I might of not been there for shenanigans time but I scum read rit for a long time that game. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:07 nooniansoong wrote: Damred. I don't really find it that interesting. It was pretty obvious that sLamb was going to get lynched the next day and Palmer was on board since the beginning It's easy for this train of thought when the cop is dead. But it's much better for scum team if SL isn't cop to have the wifom still going on. | ||
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On January 08 2016 21:34 Palmar wrote: Also, don't forget, it's highly likely that mafia checked SL on night 2, so if I am mafia and I know who the cop is, why do I care if the cop checks the godfather. I don't get why its highly likely SL wasn't amazing town until around the GB lynch though? He was an easy town read though | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:20 Onegu wrote: Yeah not voting palmar here. He looks so town... Why's that agaib? | ||
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1) Lead a shenanigans d1 on Rels when I had a town lynch in Tt sewed up. 2) Everyone basically who has died has town read me hard, why would I kill these people 3) led shenanigans or attempted shenanigans onto godfather slam when the cop was still alive. 4) as non godfather open myself up for a cop check by cc Tt knowing he would flip town. If you can answer the scum,motivation besides ducking tinfoil you :/ an suck read me until then do something useful | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:42 The Shining wrote: Wow look at that tone you take with someone you've had as town lean to lock town literally all game. You say I'm scum during night phase with a nervous laugh and I don't let it get to me but that's how you react to a tinfoil post?? Noted. It's tinfoil and a bit if a fear read since you're not a bad scum player and you're still alive d5 even though multiple NKs + alive players townread you. But your reaction is bad, especially after doing the same thing to me, and you should feel bad You still fail to answer the questions and comment on tome when people who should obviously town read me start sliding back into scum reading me. Look at my record I make it to a lot of lylo and late games. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:37 Palmar wrote: Confirmed cop called me town Exo, ARE WE JUST GOING TO IGNORE THAT? Come on palmar don't do that, I'm not super sold on voting you today but yeah. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:59 The Shining wrote: Ok and who voted Rels literally right when you did after scumming TT during day phase? Don't know why that matters when I think your town? | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:14 The Shining wrote: You did the same shit to me first. Shining is scum haha when you're basically the only one who had a correct read on me. Of course I'm going to question where the town motivation is in that and if you are really town after that. 1- I voted right when you did. Why am I more likely to do it as scum than you are? It's a wifom argument and you're good enough to know how to spin that in your favor 2- eternal town reads. I've killed you for this before in my last scum game, so it's not like it's impossible. They town you, you kill them before you can reconsider. 3- there is still a rolecop. I have no way of knowing if SL was rcd the night phase before the Slam shenanny occurs and he was the preplanned NK the next night, anyway. But it's not impossible. And my tinfoil gets stronger when you flip your read on me during night phase for no Damn reason 4- no idea, honestly, and that's why you were at the very end of my POE with a sigh. Because if you did this as scum, it's really risky but you've also explained it away really well. None of this makes you lock scum but it does raise questions when you hard town me all game then call me scum after ritoky, kush and palmar all include me in their POE. 1) I've hard defended you basically all game the moment you were posting. 2) obviously you can't read a joke when I just got done hard defending you and nothing happened in between. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:34 The Shining wrote: Ok Damdred then I'm just bad and my tinfoil is paranoia. But I hate being called scum for shit, or worse, no reason and reading jokes thru text isn't always easy. Like if you got shot and scum tried to take that shit and get me lynched over it, I'd have blamed you 100% And you never bothered to ask me in thread and if I had been more on time with my lust would be a null point | ||
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Oo Ows Shining Kush Then we have the exo/palmar and rit/onegu type people. Like the only way ever onegu is scum I think is if rit is scum. Something about eco feels off and palmar seems a bit off. The bottom half is a jumble atm really need to read a couple filters. But right now I'm leaning town on onegu | ||
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6-3 5-3 mylo 7-3 6-3 6-3 5-3 4-3 lylo we do gain a ml with a correct save however, in this situation lynching scum is always better than potentially gaining a ml and gambling if you are jk they haven't rc you by now and are just rb you every night if you are lynch bait. The correct play here is to go 1 v 1 if you are the jk we possibly bust the game open a bit more with another scum lynch. I'm playing around with two teams which is sort of bad, but honestly there isn't much reason for oo as scum to try to go 1 v 1 when they still have a rc either. | ||
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On January 10 2016 05:07 The Shining wrote: "He should be suspect some if he does not die" That's not green check talk Atually it can be if the godfather hasn't flipped yet. Its like saying, hey this guy is green checked but i'm sort of worried about it because I don't know where the godfather is quite yet so look into it later. It is possible palmar was checked if you read SL filter and his read progression he goes, light scum palmar->Heavy Scum (n1)->still thinks scum (d2)->Scum reads palmar more (n2)-> town reads palmar. This isn't to say that its definitive at this point in time that palmar was green checked, but its just as likely that palmar was green checked especially by the progression in SL read. We don't know what SL checks are for all we now it could of been ME+HF or exo+ows. We should parse what we have and go from there, me personally just reading sl filter its a bit likely that Palmar wasn't the check necessarily but I think there are a good bit of things in the thread that make palmar town. | ||
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On January 10 2016 13:27 ExO_ wrote: I haven't rolled scum in TL, and I still haven't. OO considering you are green and I know you're green I ask you to really look through my filter. I don't always know what I'm doing but I've tried my best this game. I'm not scum, and tone reading me I think is really weird considering you have no base line to compare it to. At the time, I thought GB was town. I pretty much hard town read him after the exchange he had with HF on day 1. I wanted the Palmar lynch on day 3, but it wasn't going to happen. I preferred Slam to GB for 2 reasons: slam hadn't been super active nor helpful, but Primarily b/c I thought GB was town and wanted an alternative to his lynch. Do you mean green or blue | ||
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There are a couple teams I'm playing with but I might lynch exp today. Rit might be ok to hrm | ||
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I think what nm said about rit is still worthwhile to look at. The total anger at the oo claim is really out of place and sort of set him up for a cc without actually doing it when the correct play would be to cc go 1 v 1 get the scum instead of doing it in lylo. Besides that he's totally underwhelming today and only pops up to soft push shining to some extent. I'm not totally sold on rot being scum though. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:41 ritoky wrote: i don't think exo is scum and haven't pushed him. i am pushing you cuz you're mafia, and not softly either. No it's been pretty softly and you obviously don't care to tbh | ||
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Ritoky are you the jk? | ||
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Everyone vote oo I'll explain why rit is the jk | ||
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1) the original play rit agreed to with the jk always protecting him. The hint was there and that's why rit shoots he a never getting rb by the hi because he is the jk and scum won't waste a rb on him because jk is probably there. 2) oo protected me n2 after I fake claimed no way I deserved protect after I got town Tt lynched and he scum read me before then. 3) the anger at the claim. | ||
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To oo if Ritoky and I are scum our only motivation is to save exo here for something. | ||
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Why not jk the person with the gun so we can save the gun until we know it will go out? | ||
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But at least Ritoky claims aggressive instead of defensive. | ||
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Explain your saves every time you ignore this it just makes me feel like you are ignoring it | ||
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Shining, exo, Ritoky etc: if you are hi do you protect the person who fake cc a role because they are going to get shot by scum when they caused that role to get lynched that very day. Defensively that is | ||
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Rit why me over SL or palmar after we lynched gb? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:03 ritoky wrote: holyflare - towniest damdred - offensive to further reinforce my play around 1gu and damdred damdred - towniest damdred - towniest SL was super hard sifting cop for a lot of the game and was mega towny why not him or palmar? | ||
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But the me over Palm or SL is a bit of a stretch I think. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:12 ritoky wrote: i legit never thought SL was cop, tbh i spent most of the game thinking it was kush so dunno about the hard softing all game. and i knew i was town and you had shennanied with me both times over essentially the same thought process plus i am confident in my read on you so i am protecting the person i think is most town. There were two instances where SL said that he and onegu always roll changed. Hrm it's interesting And no eco we play the game after this | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:15 ExO_ wrote: Why are you calling me eco Auto correct | ||
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But would be giving up a lot | ||
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Rut wasn't a clear lynch tommorow, or today for that matter. No information from nk vs information tonight. | ||
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Gb pushes decently hard for an onegu shot, mentioning it several times. Rit takes a million times less pressure for shooting onegu over moosey. The only reason Rit wouldn't shoot him more than likely is that they are scum together. | ||
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plus yeah the way rit treated shining is really really a way mafia treats a mislynch town etc | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Rit first Next should be onegu. I jeep hinting at this but I'll put it here it is sort of an association read. GB pushes in thread to shoot onegu over anyone Ritoky even says in the thread he is shooting onegu or myself,more than likely. It makes onegu more likely mafia for a couple reasons, if gb pushes for an obvious lynch the next day he gets a slight bit of town cred for trying to get the shot through. If onegu is scum he won't shoot his own scum,buddy obviously. The final scum is between kush and Exo the only way exo is most likely scum is if onegu and rot aren't the role blocker. Which is the only useful role mafia had left. Kush has been ok early but completely stopped playing or putting any effort in barely skating by. While eco has stayed pretty consistent throughout and when he was being lynched was the most willing to give out information Never lynch kusg/exo right after rit until you know onegu I think. Shining is confirmed how rit talked to him. I feel Ows is still the green check How palmar went about things looked towny to me. Coag confirmed The game is pretty simple I think if palmar is town and Ows is green checked God help us otherwise. But I think it is. Ok I know this doesn't help to Mich but I've crawled through this thread pay my findings attention don't ignore me if I'm gone. Kk | ||
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On January 12 2016 07:27 Palmar wrote: you should probably lynch one of exo damdred onegu kush obi or shining with the last mislynch You can't be this dumb palmar </3 | ||
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I'm not sure what the right lynch is today. Exo/Onegu/Kush Tell me out of you three who we should lynch today and why please with some form of reasoning. | ||
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Why not kush over exo? | ||
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Its never shining here with how confirmed mafia ritoky was going after him. | ||
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Besides that i'll wait on yoru read onegu | ||
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but when kush foes it he doesn't bat much of an eye | ||
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activity isn't alignment indicative of either of them | ||
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I'm not lynching shining at all ever and scum probably shoots me for it if we make it past today. Which would be good, if shining is scum he has totally destroyed his meta game and I would be impressed which leaves me with a much small pool to go into | ||
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As town he's generally hyper emotional and super tilts. Good thoughts and generally ok activity. And before its asked this is decent shining activity. | ||
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But for the majority of what you said it reads more like you are trying to convince the person scum reading you. First impressions of today is that kush feels town in how he's trying to do things and makes me not want to lynch him today for sure. I'm lynching,between onegu and exo today. So exo who should we lynch today | ||
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Ask questions about it I'll explain soon as I can | ||
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I don't think we lose today voting either, we lose voting me and shining. I'm pretty sure we lose voting kush and palmar today. But I'm willing to listen | ||
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I think the way rit tries to prove onegu is town makes himself scum. SL had a decent post on it after rits shot I think Still makes the most sense to me. | ||
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Like seriously good game palmar. But the rest of you are morons. | ||
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Then the person who says he did leads you onto the other person who actually did work this cycle with the top scum read of the day. | ||
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Honestly town didn't deserve to win the game anyway. I am disappointed in a couple things eod and I don't want to say it in thread. | ||
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I should of listened to myself months ago I guess. Anyway once your blue claims Miller SL is never going to cc onegu. But whatever blame me two games this time. | ||
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I'm sorry town. | ||
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Gg | ||
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I do know I'm usually critical of you SL. Bit you played really well this game besides your last second change of palmar you were spot on. You played blue relatively well even though I wish we would of known gb was your check it didn't matter that much in the long run. You were easy to town read and you were fun. You played really well gj | ||
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It was unfortunate it ended like this but it was good play by scum that ended it. | ||
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