OUTLAW MINI MAFIA

On December 26 2015 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

If you /in I will /in and regret it
please save me.

On December 26 2015 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Game doesn't follow the banlist brodda

On December 27 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Bleu town again bleh

On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice.
##Vote Moosydoosy

On December 27 2015 08:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Hm?

On December 27 2015 08:32 N e s s wrote:

I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.

But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.

I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.

but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?

On December 27 2015 08:49 N e s s wrote:

Why ask someone to vote for another for next to no reason? I can't wrap my head around this...or i'm just looking way into most this and its a ****post.

On December 27 2015 08:50 ExO_ wrote:
Hi there people. Just woke up from my nap and I see the game's started. Will be posting from my phone for the first few days. My stepbrother's wedding is tomorrow, but after that I'll have plenty of time to read, tho I'm not gonna lie reading 352 pages of day 1 crap is something I don't look forward to.

Hope everyone continues to have a Merry Christmas season!

On December 27 2015 08:52 N e s s wrote:
But yes, asking me a question i already answered while calling my questions dumb?

Hipocracy!

On December 27 2015 08:54 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah yeah slam, whatever. I'm not scum but go ahead and baselessly accuse me right out of the gate off my first post. Seems Good

On December 27 2015 08:56 ExO_ wrote:
Ebwol: *artanis not slam

On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
town: artanis, ness
pocketing me: slam, rsoul
mafia lean: gb, trfel

On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
slam,

On December 27 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote:


Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:

1)

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.

Furthermore I have qualms with the second half of the statement:



You have a list of four questions and they are all designed as you have said:



but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.

---

If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.

Can you please answer the following for me?

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?

On December 27 2015 11:11 N e s s wrote:
And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.

He could be mafia,

On December 27 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote:
Also hes kush and a great policy lynch

On December 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No youre not wrong.

On December 27 2015 11:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Otherwise it would be yes but the read on Trfel is just quite...unbelieveable.
Trfel is easily town.

On December 27 2015 14:56 N e s s wrote:

How?

Its me saying i don't think someone is scum because i said they reminded me of me when i first played?

On December 27 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:


Dude if you're town, calm down. Peoole here will call you Mafia for a big range of reasons, and we usually call each other stupid/dumb in a regular basis without actually having the intention to offend or to really mean you are an overall stupid person

It's just the way these forums are

On December 27 2015 14:58 N e s s wrote:

No its not

On December 27 2015 11:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No. Its actually his problem.
Abd by blowing your smurf you earned my vote.
Shit. Cheap. Crap. Die.

On December 27 2015 15:02 N e s s wrote:


You're putting words in my mouth there hun, thats not what i said in the post.

What i said is more of "He might be scum but i'm not going to jump to that conclusion."

On December 27 2015 11:39 N e s s wrote:

GJ guy, gj. You're seeing things in a logical manner.

you're right, in the beginning he was calling me out as "dumb/mafia" for little to no reason.

On December 27 2015 15:05 N e s s wrote:

Yeah no. You'd enjoy my flip as town

You're calling me out as scum for little to no evidence supporting it other then a post that was meant to say that i didn't think of someone as scum.

On December 27 2015 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Youre most likely town but please stop complaining and play okay?

On December 27 2015 15:07 N e s s wrote:

I'm sure it was, buddy

this game is no fun, more frustrating in that matter.

On December 27 2015 15:08 N e s s wrote:

That post is scummy as all hell

Never said you were scum..."bro".

On December 27 2015 15:12 N e s s wrote:
Also Slam i can't understand this passive-agressive attitude you're giving me.

On December 27 2015 11:45 disformation wrote:


Coagulation (1): sicklucker
ExO_ (2): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Koshi
Vivax (2): Holyflare, ritoky
Artanis (0): Trfel
MoosyDoosy (0): Artanis[Xp]
nooniansong (1): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (19): Rels, Onegu, nooniansong, Damdred, Waylanner, ExO_, rsoultin, MoosyDoosy, boxerfred, GlowingBear, Coagulation, Trfel, ObiWanShinobi, The Shining, Palmar, Tictock, Ness, Vivax, Alakaslam

At this time, Vivax is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

On December 27 2015 15:19 N e s s wrote:

Jeez, case proven.

I'm not even gonna bother with you saying i'm scum right now, TL mafia is more annoying to me then other forums i've played on.

Also, that scum traits guide is pointless. Keep reading those guide tho.

On December 27 2015 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The kush thing is basically at best him not reading the thread properly -- it was pointed out by HF already that kush outed his smurf in another thread, there is absolutely nothing scummy in it.

Ness' play looks more like he (she?) just doesn't know who is scum and isn't overplaying anything. I don't know where the "he doesn't follow up on his questions" comes from because basically noone ever answered him in the first place....... It just doesn't make any sense to scumread Ness here, it would make sense to not townread him -- but scumread is definitely not a legit read, at least for those reasons imo.

On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:

its bad to go off of meta.

On December 27 2015 12:54 rsoultin wrote:


Uber cuteness ^^

Its more just that hes a new fish in a big pond with suspicion on him already but still is unafraid to post and contradict ppl. i dont see him being this relaxed as scum in a new environment and its enough to townread him for the day and focus on others i think

On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.



Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7



You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.



...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-




Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.





this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.



Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.

On December 27 2015 13:11 N e s s wrote:

Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.

On December 27 2015 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
This game is pretty boring, everyone that posts a lot is relatively towny and the rest can go die in a mafia fire.

On December 27 2015 13:42 Koshi wrote:
Because everybody is so townie I ended up reading Alakaslam. I was not impressed.

On December 28 2015 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
What if they just care about the most important things...?

On December 27 2015 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Youre most likely town but please stop complaining and play okay?

On December 28 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Slam, ExO is practically confirmed town due to dumbtelling himself into oblivion by not believing the mason claims for forever.

On December 28 2015 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I did. Later.

On December 28 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Dude you sound like saying "i don't think you are town" somehow means a different thing that "i think you are mafia"... What a way to argue about semantics.

On December 28 2015 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah Exo, you should let that go. They are masons.

On December 28 2015 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

In fact people are acting in a really civilized manner here.
If someone gets mad because they get questioned for their inconsistancies they should probably try to explain it instead of just throwing their shit on the floor and quit.

At least i am trying to act nice, but if people just straight out refuse to even TRY to explain what they mean.... Then it's their probelm.

On December 28 2015 08:33 ExO_ wrote:
still waiting on coag

rsoultin im dissapointed about how you've handled this so far. how hard would it be to tell coag what to say? it would take no effort at all and yet here we are.

I'm not asking for too much, so prove it to me.

On December 28 2015 08:34 Coagulation wrote:
Star kingdoms... Silentbutterfly

On December 28 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah they must be scum now lynch them...

On December 28 2015 08:39 Coagulation wrote:


Fuck me in the chupazi

On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet.

The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information).

On December 28 2015 20:17 boxerfred wrote:
Oh yeah and lynching Vivax is dumb imo.

On December 28 2015 20:25 boxerfred wrote:

Calm down, its what ill do, just not now. Shhh. Why me and not other inqctives such as slam?

On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:


I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do.

Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game.

On December 30 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
PSA: if you're going to play this game without actually reading it at least put the effort in to read filters instead and fact check please??

On December 30 2015 04:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Lynch Palmar

On December 30 2015 04:07 nooniansoong wrote:
off the cuff scumlist
7. damdred
9. Exo_
17. Trfel
18. ObiWanShinobi
19. The Shining

who the fuck knows
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey
24. Alakaslam

On December 27 2015 13:11 N e s s wrote:

Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.

On December 30 2015 04:09 ritoky wrote:


I try to refrain from speaking in hijole after that one game you got kinda mad at me and called me a copycat. The eye never goes away though.

On December 30 2015 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Lynch Palmar

On December 30 2015 04:22 nooniansoong wrote:
artanis. your case boils down to him having no original thoughts. I disagree. He has no original opinions maybe but i do see him making original observations.
i can empathize with palmar because ive been in his situation many times. it can be hard to be a factor in a game when everyone has already put in so much more work than you.

On December 30 2015 04:26 nooniansoong wrote:


really or you foolin?

On December 30 2015 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So then you claim you will sheep person X (but really don't after all) and the reason for that is that you didn't read his posts (when earlier you claimed you would -- as you would sheep them)?
And then you claim you have orignial thoughts (when you actually don't)?
What Artanis -- or anyone -- says has nothing to do with if Palmar is a factor in the game or not. The fact is he isn't, and he claims he will / has done something he actually doesn't follow up the way he should based on his own words, or he actually hasn't done the things he claims at all.

You are so fucking annoying when you twist every single thing anyone ever writes into something completely different. Like are you high 24/7 or what?

On December 30 2015 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam is almosty definitely town because he's on drugs.

On December 30 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Again, read my filter. If you can't comprehend what you read or are incapable of reading then it's your problem.
I won't discuss anything with you because it's beyond useless because of the above.

On December 31 2015 07:01 Koshi wrote:
slam is mafia.

On December 31 2015 07:34 Vivax wrote:
The vig targets are also easy: Moosy and Slam.

On December 31 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote:
#yolo #yolo #yolo

HF is scum
Koshi is dumb
Tictock is scum
No idea about Palmar
or anyone else
but if Sicklucker doesn't call me town soon he's scum
and Vivax is town

oh shooobidooo I wanna be like youhoohooo

On December 31 2015 06:39 boxerfred wrote:
If there's something, let me know. Want to know my thoughts? I know everything! LEL Slamchupazino

On December 31 2015 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
i am dumb, you are right

un pequeño chupacabra sueño en la biblioteca

On December 31 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote:


Nice way to 100% copy my read bro

On December 31 2015 02:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Saying this is relatively unnecessary.

On December 31 2015 02:15 Koshi wrote:
yeah sicklucker is probably town and we need to lynch:
TT
into
Palmar
into
HF

(it might be smart to shoot HF)

On December 30 2015 22:55 Koshi wrote:
palmar
bf
slam
tt
kush
sicklucker

Pretty sure all mafia are in there. Xcept when moosey or some other random dude I don't really care about atm is mafia. Will be obvious later anyway.

On December 30 2015 18:48 ritoky wrote:
man koshi, it must be tough being a



how do you do it?

On December 30 2015 12:19 The Shining wrote:


Hi. You poked through Damdred's filter and think he might be town now? Did you miss the part where he claimed?

On December 31 2015 12:52 Vivax wrote:


Cuz unreadable

On December 30 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote:
I'm the gun Smith I sent the gun to ritojy cause our souls are intertwined.

Now lynch the fool and they have to either rb me before my gun goes to someone else or rb ritoky or else he can shoot.

Perfect play.

On December 31 2015 13:04 Vivax wrote:
Oh apparently you claimed scum, alright then carry on

On December 31 2015 13:20 sicklucker wrote:
why am i scum slam

On January 02 2016 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
You should modkill these people that couldn't be fucked to vote.

On January 02 2016 08:22 The Shining wrote:


Fake anger is fake.

Not pausing the game means you would have had less time to vote and/or realize you weren't voting. Probably still wouldn't have voted.

On January 02 2016 08:21 sicklucker wrote:


how is that an excuse you had 12 extra hours? if the game was not paused you still wuld not have voted da fuck? rly slam?

On January 03 2016 02:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Only skimmed from the last lynch onwards because this is a bit much to take in. I can understand from the claims alone why Onegu is mafia, but I don't understand the town motivation for fakeclaiming gunsmith, Damdred says there was some info from d1, so I guess I have to re-read that too.

Actually in general I don't understand the town motivation for fakeclaiming in general, but probably because I'm still relatively new to forum mafia.

Can someone summarise why Alakaslam, Palmar and Holyflare are mafia? I don't think those folks were involved with the claims.

On January 03 2016 15:48 ritoky wrote:
wow that activity difference holy shit

On January 05 2016 05:40 nooniansoong wrote:
but we are going to shenanies back to alakaslam right?

On January 05 2016 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Voted*

On January 05 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote:
SWITCH TO SLAM 2 MINUTES!!!!!!

On January 05 2016 22:47 NocturneMage wrote:


Yes. GB was vanilla scum. HF/Koshi scumread Alakaslam under the aggro reads on my predecessor (and last I recall Slam actually soft defended me upon replacing), and other scumreads were him not being invested in this game.

The mafia in that wagon were interested in protecting one of the three power roles I mentioned before, gf, rb, rolecop. If Slam were town, that wagon wouldn't have gone anywhere or it would have gotten larger.

On January 06 2016 08:03 ritoky wrote:


potential greens on obi and onegu?

On January 06 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote:
so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread.

On January 06 2016 09:34 Damdred wrote:
Hi slam if you were a dove what color would you be.

On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
Town
3. Onegu
7. damdred
11. ritoky
16. coagulation
19. The Shining
20. Palmar


4. nooniansoong
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
18. ObiWanShinobi
22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage)
24. Alakaslam

4 of these 6 are scum. I'm obvious lynchbait so kush gets a -1 for continuously trying to scum me but never pushing me, interacting with me or even acknowledging me other than to keep me on his POE so he has a mislynch option open.

Exo could very well be scum for that response to me when he misunderstood what I was asking him and immediately went into martyr/guilt trip mode, which was just a shitty attempt at trying to tug at my heartstrings.

Meh I guess I can understand Obi's explanation about the Trfel read and the possibility of a green check does help me narrow this list of 6 to 4, but GF hasn't flipped yet so its not as concrete as it could be.

I'm not really sure on Slam, I was willing to sheep onto him before Palmars case on GB and after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum. I still haven't felt any better about his whole anger outburst and calling me out for being Eastern =l

See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends.

OO is a slight question mark on the side of scum because of his vote on GB, although bussing is always a viable option, especially if NM's theory about not wanting to vote Slam because he's a power scum role(he switched off of Slam) is right. And I don't like him trying to peg me as someone engaged in the thread that fell off, when I was pretty much at this level of activity all game. And even with my inactivity, even though he replaced in, he still has a smaller filter than me. The fact that he went and looked up a past scum game of mine does feel sort of townie, but knowing my alignment, I can't just accept that, since I know I'm prime ML bait.

On January 06 2016 16:51 ritoky wrote:
group 1 is basically people i think are confirmed. me cuz i am town, coag cuz mason, damdred and gu because i was allowed to shoot without being rb, obi because i think he is extremely likely green check.

group 2 is people i have reasons to think they are town, palmar cuz lead mafia lynch + SL read, exo cuz mason stuff + convo in my filter where i had to talk him into mechanically correct play, shining cuz damdred says so, kush cuz SL read + similar reads + aggro questioning

group 3 is people i think are scum or have no reason to think are town, slam is gone lynch him, nm is durdling in the past for days on end and producing nothing extremely relevant slightly townier than doing nothing but not town, oo just got nothing to read him town if i have no opinion this late and rarely remember you you're probably just mafia.

that took way longer than normal holy shit typing is hard.

On January 18 2016 04:26 Palmar wrote:

I don't expect you to like me, we're very, very different people and the feeling of dislike is mutual. You are probably the only person on TL mafia that I actively dislike. It has nothing to do with the game at hand and whether or not I am mafia or not.

I dislike you because you repeatedly sign up for games and do the absolute bare minimum to not get modkilled, you don't play to win.

I dislike you because you are willing to ruin a game for a bunch of other people to keep your stupid townie seal going (you have been lynched in the past for refusing to post it as scum, effectively fucking over your team).

I dislike you because you act like a total asshole to this community time and time again. It may not be perfect, but some of us are actually trying to make it work.





I genuinely think you make every game you sign up for worse by simply being a part of it. I wish you'd just stay on omgus and play there so I don't have to deal with you.

It's entirely possible I'm the asshole, but it's probably fair that you know why I always act like a dick to you.

On January 18 2016 04:29 Palmar wrote:
tl;dr: I don't want you to like me and I hate you too.