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On January 04 2016 07:07 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:05 Trfel wrote:On January 04 2016 07:00 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 06:58 Trfel wrote:On January 04 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote:
You are trying to take null things kush and turn them into town type motives.
Most of the thread had reactions that were not dissimilar to what palmar posted. At best this is a null as scum are looking just as much as town where to put votes and more than likely palmar vote was already on Rels.
Secondly of course palmar doesn't want to be shot this is totally null.
1) Town palmar doesn't want to get shot because he's town and can help to try to win the game.
2) Scum palmar doesn't want to be shot because he's scum,and wants to,win. And thinks he can talk his way out of getting lynched with a large effort.
It's totally null, and I'm really concerned now that you are trying to tr palmar for such weak things. I was about to make a post explaining this, but thanks Damdred for doing it for me. Nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game, he's just commenting and defending some people (mostly Palmar) instead of being interested in his scumreads. His latest defense of Palmar is a great example of this. "isn't trying to solve the game" is exactly the type of generic wording scum loves to use when describing their fake scumreads. Nooniansoong, can you please explain why you are scumreading me? See the post of mine you just quoted. So you don't think that mafia loves to quote a post from someone and say why it's scummy?
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On January 04 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote:
i explained why it's scummy in the post. Your scumreads lack depth on thought. You dodged the question that I asked.
In this post, I described why your play is focused on commenting instead of solving the game. You did not respond.
I've also pointed out several mindset/mentality contradictions in your play, which you also failed to respond to.
Care to respond to any or all?
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Read contradictions are one thing, mindset contradictions are another.
I will read your filter again from this perspective, and also assuming that your "solving the game" looks different from what I would expect, but I'm having a lot of trouble understanding this playstyle. I'll probably have to check some more meta 
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On January 04 2016 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Though kush is coming off towny in this exchange tbh Why?
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On December 27 2015 10:57 nooniansoong wrote:
Hi everybody. I'm a kush smurf.
This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy.
I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much.
I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns.
On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote:
TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. Nooniansoong, I'm not sure how these posts fit with your process-of-elimination mindset described here. How can you get mafia feels from ExO_'s first few posts? And why do you feel that Tictock is more likely town than mafia, while you say that when you can't find a reason to townread people, you assume that they are mafia?
Am I misunderstanding something?
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Palmar, why did you decide that nooniansoong is town?
What exactly made you think that Onegu and Damdred are not good lynches today, I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at.
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Palmar, given how Tictock didn't claim his role despite barely avoiding being lynched Day 1, why would you expect mafia to rolecop him?
I'd think that they'd barely prefer rolechecking Tictock to rolechecking themselves.
You don't think that Onegu can be mafia for the WIFOM play?
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Here is kushm4sta (aka nooniansoong)'s filter from his last game, Dark Tournament Mini Mafia. In this game, he was town. And no, I'm not cherrypicking, he was mislynched on Day 1 this game.
In this game, he presents several scumreads and clearly cares about the Day 1 lynch. He has a progression of several scumreads and is willing to consolidate his vote such that it actually matters. Furthermore, despite being busy, he reads filters and makes reads of all of the main wagons.
And in this game, he didn't care at all about the Day 1 lynch.
I'm waiting for nooniansoong's explanation, but I'm having a TON of difficulty seeing his play coming from town this game. His explanation of process-of-elimination solving the game doesn't seem to be anything like how he played last game.
Nooniansoong, please answer as soon as you can, I am trying to keep an open mind, but I need your answer to continue. If you are not going to answer, if you could at least tell me that you won't answer, that would be great so I can do my best to check my read on you without it. Otherwise, I'll have to go through tonight anyway.
I think I want to lynch nooniansoong or Palmar most, I'll work on it tonight.
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On January 04 2016 08:07 Damdred wrote:
But you are cherry picking to a degree trfel. You wave dark tournament around but then ignore his most recent game of,nutcracjer where he didn't Carr about the d1 lynch but turned it on d2.
I'm not sure it makes him town or scum though Oh, I didn't realize that he played in that game. I'll take a look.
You expect town to not care about lynches? You expect town to not care about finding mafia?
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On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.
I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game.
Sure, I'll check again tonight though.
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Yes, sometimes town will not care about finding mafia.
However, look at nooniansoong's filter in this game. He's clearly putting in effort, or at least he thinks he is.
On Day 1, he still didn't actually care about the lynch, and even now it's difficult to get him to explain his scum reads, despite his decent activity.
That's the contrast. It's not that he just doesn't care at all, it's that he cares about the game but not about the lynch.
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On January 04 2016 08:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:12 Trfel wrote:On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.
I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game. Sure, I'll check again tonight though. which read do you have trouble with? Sorry, I need to leave Sauna again. I'm going back to college tomorrow, there's no way that a game of mafia is going to take me away from my family.
I can't remember stuff well, but off the top of my head....
Do you really think that it is a mechanically correct play for the cop to claim a green check to defend you? If not, why did you ask the cop to check you Night 1?
I'm having a hard time understanding how you could scumread Onegu and Damdred so heavily right after the Tictock flip, and take this long to come around, when basically everyone else wasn't sure about reads on them shortly after the flip.
Can you explain your Alakaslam read?
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On January 04 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Does that make someone scum though trfel? It's extremely mafia motivated.
There are a lot of reasons why I am scumreading nooniansoong, I'm simplifying it. I'm trying the scumread form of :
I think that [player] is scum for these reasons. Here is an example of each.
Nooniansoong's apathy towards the Day 1 lynch is one example, the big-picture reason being that he doesn't care about solving the game, which is very mafia motivated.
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Damdred, I'm going to use a sicklucker argument, but here goes.
It's really hard to tell about NocturneMage for a variety of reasons. He's still busy trying to read through the game, and it's a fairly large game. It's also right after a major holiday, and he's playing in another game at the same time.
If you remember from the last game that NocturneMage replaced into, Dark Tournament I think? but, he wasn't very active for ~24 hours and then started doing more stuff while catching up with the thread.
Basically, I don't feel confident with lynching him now at all, it feels like basically an activity policy lynch, and I feel that he will be far easier to read next day. And I feel that there are several lynches with a very good chance of hitting mafia.
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Yes, I expect NocturneMage to be much easier to read over time.
From nooniansoong's last game, as town:On December 15 2015 21:48 kushm4sta wrote:
I see no reason not to vote gb. Dunno when flip is but I will try to do some stuff at lunch
On December 15 2015 21:48 kushm4sta wrote:
I see no reason not to vote gb. Dunno when flip is but I will try to do some stuff at lunch (among other posts scumreading GlowingBear)
On December 16 2015 07:33 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry guys i had a lunch meeting.
I won't be able to catch up on reading tonight. Pretty dumb to lynch me due to a lurker meta though. Whether I am a lurker or not has nothign to do with alignment and everything to do with how busy I am.
Dark tournament I was also lynched d1 for low activity and I was also town. So keep that in mind.
Still very different from the current game. Specifically in that he had scumreads and the reason he wasn't around for the Day 1 lynch was due to availability instead of desire.
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On January 04 2016 13:08 ritoky wrote:
so you have no read on him, but expect to get one when his only really known mafia meta is to be passive and inactive?????? do you know he is town and gonna post or are you in a qt or something? What?
This really isn't a complicated idea. Like, not at all.
More time means it's easier to read someone, regardless of what they are doing. However, in NocturneMage's case, more time is especially indicative because he's just replacing into the game.
Like, seriously, I shouldn't have to explain this. Do you want an elementary school explanation?
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On January 04 2016 13:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 13:08 ritoky wrote:
so you have no read on him, but expect to get one when his only really known mafia meta is to be passive and inactive?????? do you know he is town and gonna post or are you in a qt or something? What? This really isn't a complicated idea. Like, not at all. More time means it's easier to read someone, regardless of what they are doing. However, in NocturneMage's case, more time is especially indicative because he's just replacing into the game. Like, seriously, I shouldn't have to explain this. Do you want an elementary school explanation? Sorry, this post was not called for.
There are several potential reasons why NocturneMage's play could be like this as town, as I stated a few posts ago. If NocturneMage's play continues to be the same as time passes, then these explanations are no longer valid, and he is likely mafia. If his play changes significantly, then he could very well be town.
I need to pack my stuff, then I'll try to look at mafia stuff, but I need to wake up at like 4 tomorrow. So I'm hoping to not stay up that late.
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On January 04 2016 15:22 Damdred wrote:
I'm not understanding exactly, the last game he replaced into he got to work almost straight away didn't need to be poked or prodded and jumped on things.
Here he's been in the game what will be 72 hours in a little over 12 hours. The only bursts of activity is when he is getting called out for little to no activity. And then once the pressure swings away from him he is back to being gone without giving any real thoughts.
I'm not sure why more time would make him easier to read hell. In his last game he got to a 20 page filter by d4? Something insane like that.... I mean, your first sentence is simply wrong.
It would be nice if you bothered to know what you're talking about before you try and contradict me.
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Look, ritoky, I'll try one more time, but if you still don't get it then there's nothing I can say to help you.
People don't always play to the best of their abilities, even when they are town. I feel that it's possible that NocturneMage is town and not playing to the best of his abilities. For one example of this, look at when he replaced into Dark Tournament Mini Mafia; for over 24 hours after he replaced in, his only posts had zero purpose and scumhunting. Afterwards, he was able to catch up with the thread and become more productive.
I feel that the following things could be limiting NocturneMage's play as town:
1. Being in a second game, the reason he didn't sign up for this game in the first place
2. Replacing into a very large game, has to read a ton to catch up / get a handle on things
3. The holiday makes things busier
Like, I'd sort of get it, except there are people to lynch who are actually scummy.
But I guess I'll try and go through N e s s's filter after I finish with nooniansoong, Palmar, and ObiWanShinobi.
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If that's really what you think, then you're not worth talking to at all.
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