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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 02 2016 05:24 GMT
#3283
On January 02 2016 13:31 nooniansoong wrote:
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On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote:
Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that.


who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded)


Palmar ,not sure who else
Why are you townreading Palmar?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 02 2016 07:40 GMT
#3286
On January 02 2016 16:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On January 02 2016 14:34 ExO_ wrote:
Why in the world are you town reading palmar? Both Artanis/rayn were reading palmar as scum. His play this game makes me think he's scum.


Elaborate pls?
Do you have a read on Palmar yet?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 02 2016 09:58 GMT
#3291
MoosyDoosy, why is The Shining mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 02 2016 10:23 GMT
#3294
Insert Cool Title Here

Town

Damdred
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Tone read and meta read. Either way, his alignment will be resolved soon enough. If he is town (which I'm pretty sure he is), he'll force mafia to shoot him. If not, he's mafia.

ExO_
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Seems very emotional and invested in the game, and has a lot of strange theories. I should probably look through his filter more carefully at some point, but now isn't the time.

Koshi
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Feels like town due to effort. Again, if he's town mafia will be forced to shoot him.

ritoky
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Eh, I'm bored of writing about townreads. I don't really know why he's town, but he is. I think. Kinda. Anyway.

Coagulation

Town Lean

Holyflare
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His filter is too long for me to read through completely, but I feel that Holyflare is town. The main reason for this is that his posting tone/direction has changed over the course of the game, and it felt like it changed at a time that was town-motivated, not at a time that was mafia-motivated.

For now, anyway.

Onegu
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His tone feels a bit relaxed and free, which seems more like his town play than his mafia play. But I really don't think that mafia would claim a red check just because they feel like it, that gains a ton of extra attention and is a ton of risk (the best result being killing someone who was already lynchbait). Furthermore, his afk since claiming the red check makes me feel that this play wouldn't be from mafia!Onegu doing it purely for the fun factor, as Onegu loves playing scum and I'd feel like he'd want to be posting while he was "confirmed" town due to his claim.

sicklucker
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I like how he started out the game with a scumread on Holyflare. This doesn't feel like something that mafia would be inclined to do.

Sicklucker seems to genuinely care about the game, one example being how adamant he was about not lynching Vivax until later.

MoosyDoosy
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If he were mafia, he would play more seriously, and he wouldn't have risked not voting. At least, I think, anyway.

GlowingBear
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GlowingBear's posting has felt genuine, and there's a drive to solve the game. Both raynpelikoneet and rsoultin had him at fairly confident townreads when they died. If I have more time, I'll look more closely at his filter.

In general, GlowingBear's constant suspicions of Holyflare seemed towny (not necessarily due to the reasoning itself, but the way that he pursued it).

The Shining
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I'm not so sure about this read. The Shining's posting feels more free this game, like his town play, and his posts seem to be trying to solve the game. However, his reaction to the Day 2 flip was underwhelming, he didn't seem to respond at all to his reads being wrong. Furthermore, his play dropped off significantly, but that's not necessarily mafia-indicative.

Overall I still feel like he's town, but I'm not very confident.

Vivax
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I'm tired. Vivax is here primarily for filter length, as Vivax is generally rather inactive as mafia.

Alakaslam
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Still tired. Tone read.


Mafia Lean

ObiWanShinobi
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He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.

Palmar
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Palmar's play this game is very serious. This is strange, because in general, Palmar plays seriously as mafia and does random things and generally doesn't care that much when he is town.

For example, see Mini Mafia Down Under 2, where Palmar has a conversation with at least one other Palmar, perhaps two. Instead of playing the game. He was town. And Gaiden 2, where Palmar started out with a very confident scumread of justanothertownie, and keeps pushing this read to ridiculous extremes. After dropping this read, Palmar's activity also drops off.

Compare this to Palmar's mafia play. See Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia, for example, where Palmar starts with a few jokes, and then plays the game in a "normal" fashion. Which Palmar basically never does as town.

To clarify, it's not necessarily the effort that Palmar puts in, but the way he goes about it. And the way he plays the game here is from a more serious mindset, much more like Palmar's mafia play than his town play.

Anyway, meta aside...

Palmar starts the game by townreading ExO_ and Koshi, and being suspicious of kushm4sta/nooniansoong. He eventually says that nooniansoong is a fine lynch, and then decides to sheep raynpelikoneet on Tictock without really caring about his previous read on nooniansoong.
On December 29 2015 19:35 Palmar wrote:
Don't worry, apparently I'm mafia and I have no credit in the thread.

Btw, because I'm already scummy. I'm going to direct blues for a bit.

Gunsmiths: it's super duper important you give your guns to non-retards. Give them to people who know how to use vigilante roles.

Here's a guide for those who want to become good vigilantes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop

Also, because I'm tired of everyone's shit, I wouldn't mind getting cop checked at all. I normally say it's a waste but I might not have the energy to argue myself out of a lynch this game (and the deadline is literally at 23:00 new year's eve my time... so I will be drunk and playing with fireworks instead of playing mafia).
Just noticed this. If Palmar is willing to direct power roles, is he really suggesting that the cop should claim a green check to save him from being lynched?!?! That's a really bad idea. While at the same time saying that he's trustworthy enough to get a gun?

Palmar simply hasn't done that much. By far the biggest thing he did was the Artanis scumread. I'm not positive on Palmar's alignment, but he is very suspicious.


Mafia

nooniansoong
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Or kushm4sta, whichever you prefer.

I'm just going to go through and mention everything that I think is important, I'll summarize at the end.
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On December 27 2015 10:57 nooniansoong wrote:
Hi everybody. I'm a kush smurf.
This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy.

I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much.

I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns.
On December 28 2015 00:51 nooniansoong wrote:
Hi again guys. It's kush, checking in. I have been reading/skimming/skipping rayns posts, but I haven't had the time to close read anything. Some people are talking too much.
Right now I have zero reads.

I realize I am a null read at best, and if you want to lynch me I won't stand in your way. I am also signed up for the newbie game so I won't be mafialess for long.

Don't get me wrong, I do want to play in this game. I simply don't have the time to keep up with 20 people's spam. Expect reads from me d2 at the latest.

Thank you for your time,
Kush
Where did his earlier reads go, or were they really not worth mentioning? And why did he mention them, then? Note that he gave advice to both N e s s and ExO_, his only suspicions at this point in the thread.

At this point, the vote count was 5 votes for Vivax and 3 votes for Tictock. Nooniansoong's read on Tictock:
On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote:
TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town.
On December 28 2015 06:14 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote:
TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town.


So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI


I based my read on two pieces of information.
1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well.
2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game.

I don't think it's tmi.
On December 28 2015 06:31 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 06:14 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote:
TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town.


So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI


I based my read on two pieces of information.
1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well.
2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game.

I don't think it's tmi.


And then you said he could be burnt out and made the leap to him being town instead...?


There is no leap. His activity points to two options: burnt out scum or town. Which of those he is, I do not know. However, I do not think his lack of activity and the emptiness of his posts is a scumtell, due to his last scumgame. That is what most people are basing the scumread on.

Is he burnt out scum or town? If his behavior doesn't point to one being more likely than the other, than it is more likely he is town, simply because town is the more abundant role.

On December 28 2015 06:59 nooniansoong wrote:
@rayn the game was nutcracker.

@hf it's not a leap precisely because i dont have a view on all the other players in the game. Objectively town is more abundant. that is a fact before reads.
Nooniansoong doesn't seem to care about Tictock's alignment at all, the most common thing that he says is that Tictock could be scum or town, but he isn't sure which.
On December 28 2015 06:19 nooniansoong wrote:
I am going to put my vote down on palmar. It's a quasi-placeholder vote.

Palmar is missing d1 and according to his meta he is a d1 player. I think he's going to be unreadable regardless of his alignment so he's a good policy lynch.
And after this he says he has no scum reads. Nooniansoong proceeds to question sicklucker a bit, and then says that ObiWanShinobi looks bad for similar reasons to why Tictock looks bad (which he doesn't think makes Tictock look bad). Which again says nothing and shows no interest in the game.

And all of this time, he hasn't said a single thing about the leading wagon, Vivax, despite making many posts that don't say anything.
On December 28 2015 12:39 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 12:29 ritoky wrote:
On December 28 2015 12:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote:
On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote:
Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him.

I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth.


So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them


Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all?


prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off.


I don't have a scumread to push.
I engage people when it is convenient.

My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me.
Here he says that his vote on Palmar is a policy lynch, and implies that he wants to policy lynch.
On December 28 2015 12:40 nooniansoong wrote:
Apologizes for not consolidating this post but goodnight all. I will try to get to any questions at lunch tomorrow in approximately 13 hours.
And here, he's saying that he wants to come back so that he can answer questions, not to come back so that he can solve the game and lynch mafia. Despite saying that he's willing to be lynched, he seems much more apologetic than interested in finding mafia.

By the time that nooniansoong returns, Palmar has made several more posts. He says that ExO_ is town for a tinfoil hat theory about the mason claims, and says that he might want to lynch nooniansoong. There's also a post that can be sort of interpreted to be a townread on Koshi. Nooniansoong responds as follows:
On December 28 2015 21:24 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 21:15 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote:
On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:
On December 28 2015 20:19 ExO_ wrote:
[quote]

We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive!

Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist.


Just because I'm a nice guy (really...)

On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet.

The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information).


The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it.

For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort.

So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out:

a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it
b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence

These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere.

Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway.


I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do.

Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game.


I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages.



To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone.

That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true.


I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this:

I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town).



You'll get no town cred from me, scum


Why scum rather than null?


The progression of our conversation just now:

Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far
Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag
Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me

I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum.


So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier?

Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me.
On December 28 2015 23:32 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:
Although I<script id="gpt-impl-0.3554030756292448" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>'m annoyed kush hasn't responded to me about why he implied to exo that I should be a null read.


I don't know what you are looking for here but okay... I didn't think you had done anything that warrented a scumread. You read a filter and called someone town from what you read. You approached the game in the same way I would if I were in your position of having 60 unread pages.
So Exo's sudden scumread of you seemed inappropriate, and I wanted to get a better idea of what logic he was basing it on.
I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie.
On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote:
My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet.
Alaka for now.
He's not saying that Palmar is town, it seems that his read switched because he wanted to lynch an inactive player and Palmar was posting. He also says that Vivax is just as scummy as all of the other inactives:
On December 29 2015 00:08 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 28 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote:
On December 28 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I think we just lynch the people that blindly didn't want to lynch vivax a while ago, that is guaranteed mafia. As for names I'll find them.


That would make them mafia why? Are you going to lynch anyone who wasnt your bitch? Eradicate some intelligence from this game?


Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia.


Well there is SL's argument that he is easier to read as the game progresses.

Then there is someone else's argument that low activity is not scum indicative for vivax, since he has been known to play like that as town. Which makes him only as scummy as all the other inactives.
But decides to vote for Alakaslam instead of Vivax, no explanation given.

Nooniansoong then questions Holyflare and The Shining, and ends up saying that Vivax and Holyflare are both town. At this point, nooniansoong is opposed to the Tictock wagon, which is by far the biggest, and his vote is still on a policy lynch. He doesn't seem to care at all. He returns after the lynch, saying that he really wanted to see Tictock flip. This doesn't make sense at all, this feels very mafia motivated to let town flail wildly while just not caring.

From this point, nooniansoong's play changes a bit, and he seems to play with a direction of trying to solve the game.
On December 30 2015 04:07 nooniansoong wrote:
off the cuff scumlist
7. damdred
9. Exo_
17. Trfel
18. ObiWanShinobi
19. The Shining

who the fuck knows
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey
24. Alakaslam
He ends up with this scum list, which doesn't appear to be extremely thorough, and then has a town lean on boxerfred and defends Palmar from Artanis. He doesn't explain his scum reads at all (he's commented a little bit on The Shining and ExO_ in the past, though).
On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
This is strange because nooniansoong wasn't conflicted when he had a town lean on boxerfred earlier. It's especially strange because this post was made after boxerfred did more of the exact same thing that nooniansoong thought was towny.

Nooniansoong again says that he has no reads. A bit later:
On December 31 2015 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Bf/TT/Slam/Palmar (ness/oo/kushmaybenot/someone else)
On December 31 2015 08:30 nooniansoong wrote:
pretty good list
But Nooniansoong is null to town on boxerfred, doesn't know about Alakaslam, not providing a read on but defending Palmar, and hasn't mentioned the rest. If this is indeed a good list in his opinion, that means that nooniansoong has changed his reads dramatically, without mentioning them at all. And while having no reads.
On December 31 2015 11:15 nooniansoong wrote:
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On December 31 2015 10:42 Holyflare wrote:
2 mafia in one day, sweet!

dunno about that
No clue why he liked Holyflare's list at all.

Nooniansoong seems to be suspicious of ExO_, and says he's townreading ritoky, Palmar, and sicklucker. And that's all of his filter.

In conclusion, nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game. He's commenting on things and not investigating, and he didn't care at all about the Day 1 lynch. He's almost certainly mafia.


Some of my town leans are weak, I'll revisit them. I'm pretty sure that at least 2/3 scumreads are correct, hopefully all three.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 02 2016 21:08 GMT
#3355
Okay, my townreads aren't great, but my scumreads are amazing. It would be nice if people would care about those.

This game reminds me a bit of Alakaslam's play in Guardians of the Galaxy, where he played more "seriously" as town. The combination of making actual, "normal" reads and still using chupazi. I'm used to mafia!Alakaslam relying purely on chupazi as a survival mechanism, here he's aggressively pushing things.

Out for the rest of the night phase. I will probably not be online for the deadline of Day 3, since I'll be in the airport ish at that time, not exactly sure how things will work out.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 02:38 GMT
#3420
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:18 GMT
#3431
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:20 GMT
#3433
The Shining, please be town, and please help me.

If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:24 GMT
#3435
On January 03 2016 12:20 The Shining wrote:
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On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.


Why was Ness town to you?
To be honest, I don't remember so well. Mostly, he seemed very determined and had a high post count. He had mafia experience on other sites, so maybe he would play like that as mafia, but it's not the simple explanation. He kept coming back and arguing about things, it seemed like he genuinely cared about the game, and his filter was one of the longest while he was playing. His frustration with TL Mafia was clearly true as well, even if not necessarily alignment indicative.

I mean, yeah, he could be mafia, but I feel like town is a much simpler explanation. And the simple explanation is generally always correct.

I'll take another look if you'd like, you seem fairly convinced about it. But later, I need to head out now.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:33 GMT
#3439
On January 03 2016 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually I'm going to go out and respond to it because why not.

I was voting Tt pretty much the entire time so it's untrue.
Even if it wasn't, bf still would have been a fantastic lynch for being useless.

That is nothing like what I said at all. Nice reading comprehension.

Sorry TS, busy.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 08:23 GMT
#3471
My point with regards to ObiWanShinobi earlier wasn't a scumread at all. It was a mental note to check something that is important.

I remember ObiWanShinobi not having many serious reads. On Day 2, he was scumreading Tictock (as was basically everyone else), and voting for Tictock. Then, when Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed with this.

ObiWanShinobi's last stance on boxerfred was a town lean, described in two separate posts. I was wondering what caused this change. He explained this change to be caused because he felt like he had to lynch someone who was being useless, even if he didn't necessarily think that they were scum. Or something like that, I can't look it up at this moment. This part isn't important, he's not scum for this statement IMO, but rather the context.

The motivation to lynch boxerfred may be there, but wasn't that high. If ObiWanShinobi had an actual scumread that he wanted to lynch, I would expect him to not want to lynch boxerfred to lynch his actual scumread instead. Day 3, so Tictock would already be lynched, and he wouldn't count. And the magnitude of this scumread would need to be judged versus the reason and explanation to scumread boxerfred, and see how they compare. And I'd need to double check the wording, perhaps ObiWanShinobi's agreement with Holyflare was more of consent than thinking it was the best option, as I read it initially.

Anyway. The Shining, I don't need to actually be present for you to tell me if my reads have any merit or not. My reads are summarized in my interpretation of the people who are commenting and existing without contributing or trying to solve the game. The details are more accurately explained in my list post about 24 hours ago. Unfortunately, because no one seems to care about my reads, I'm feeling like I'm probably just really wrong I'd really, really, really appreciate some feedback, though.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 08:29 GMT
#3473
On January 03 2016 17:28 sicklucker wrote:
so i came back expecting some good discussion but it was mostly people trying to figure out ness whos going to be mod killed...

used your time better boys
Um, NocturneMage replaced in for N e s s.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 08:40 GMT
#3478
Sicklucker, sorry I'm a bit distracted at the moment and am too lazy to read your filter.

Who do you currently want to lynch and why? And why don't you want to lynch nooniansoong/kushm4sta, Palmar, or ObiWanShinobi?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 09:24 GMT
#3484
Yeah, here's my thing on ObiWanShinobi.

On December 28 2015 00:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fwiw BF posting nothing is reminiscent of some game where he was town and people lynched him for doing it.
They were quite upset after he flipped so I'm not sure we can really read into him being bad all that much.
On December 30 2015 10:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why do people think Shining is town again? Someone remind me because he's a likely day 3 lynch candidate imho.
On December 30 2015 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
No you lynch BF 100% after TT


Sure, don't need to tell me twice.
I don't like this at all.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 10:10 GMT
#3487
Meh, maybe Alakaslam is mafia after all

Holyflare's comment about Alakaslam's tone towards N e s s was fairly accurate as well, and Alakaslam has seemed disinterested in the thread. He's generally been pushing something, but he's focused on very specific parts of the thread, always separated from the main topics and not involving himself much in the lynches.

I can still see him being town, though, without too much effort... Bleh.

Can someone please comment on the three ObiWanShinobi quotes I provided above? This is one example of the overall impression I got from ObiWanShinobi's filter, that he's been following other people instead of pushing his own reads and ideas.

Anyway, good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 10:12 GMT
#3489
On January 03 2016 19:11 sicklucker wrote:
what has slam pushed...
He pushed N e s s for a while, and then ExO_. Lately, not much, but that's sort of understandable ish.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 21:32 GMT
#3601
On January 04 2016 00:19 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 00:08 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 04 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote:
That's 4 dumb votes on onegu today


why is onegu town again?


this is onegus town meta/play sadly. its not really slam/nocts etcs play
Why do you think that this is not Alakaslam's town play? What do Alakaslam's town and scum playstyles look like to you?

And can someone please respond to a single one of the questions I've spent the last 48 hours trying to get answered? Please?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 21:58 GMT
#3604
On January 04 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote:
You are trying to take null things kush and turn them into town type motives.

Most of the thread had reactions that were not dissimilar to what palmar posted. At best this is a null as scum are looking just as much as town where to put votes and more than likely palmar vote was already on Rels.

Secondly of course palmar doesn't want to be shot this is totally null.

1) Town palmar doesn't want to get shot because he's town and can help to try to win the game.

2) Scum palmar doesn't want to be shot because he's scum,and wants to,win. And thinks he can talk his way out of getting lynched with a large effort.

It's totally null, and I'm really concerned now that you are trying to tr palmar for such weak things.
I was about to make a post explaining this, but thanks Damdred for doing it for me.

Nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game, he's just commenting and defending some people (mostly Palmar) instead of being interested in his scumreads. His latest defense of Palmar is a great example of this.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 22:03 GMT
#3607
On January 04 2016 06:57 Damdred wrote:
The way you are treating slam is very strange trfel. Can you explain your progress trfel.
I thought that he was town, now I'm not sure.

I thought that he was town for activity and investment in the game. However, after his first series or two of posts, his activity dropped off a lot, and he hasn't felt interested in the game at all lately. His tone still seems towny as a whole, however Holyflare's point that Alakaslam was heavily scumreading N e s s but still giving him advice as if he were town looks quite strange, given the heavy tone contrast.

I really don't know what to think of Alakaslam, I'm simply not used to him playing the game as mafia. But I'm not really used to him playing the game as town, either...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 22:05 GMT
#3608
On January 04 2016 07:00 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 06:58 Trfel wrote:
On January 04 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote:
You are trying to take null things kush and turn them into town type motives.

Most of the thread had reactions that were not dissimilar to what palmar posted. At best this is a null as scum are looking just as much as town where to put votes and more than likely palmar vote was already on Rels.

Secondly of course palmar doesn't want to be shot this is totally null.

1) Town palmar doesn't want to get shot because he's town and can help to try to win the game.

2) Scum palmar doesn't want to be shot because he's scum,and wants to,win. And thinks he can talk his way out of getting lynched with a large effort.

It's totally null, and I'm really concerned now that you are trying to tr palmar for such weak things.
I was about to make a post explaining this, but thanks Damdred for doing it for me.

Nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game, he's just commenting and defending some people (mostly Palmar) instead of being interested in his scumreads. His latest defense of Palmar is a great example of this.


"isn't trying to solve the game" is exactly the type of generic wording scum loves to use when describing their fake scumreads.
Nooniansoong, can you please explain why you are scumreading me?
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